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How much abuse should David have to take?

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OldEagle1

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Everyone knows the incredible physical beating he has took this last half decade. Everyone should realize most of the abuse was not his fault. David has taken it all, and remained a "model citizen" as far as I can see. Never see him on the police headlines, or throwing a teamate under the bus on TV like Dunta did...so...I ask: How much abuse should David take from the "fans"?
How much is too much?:crutch:
 
i don't think any of it is fair to him. he's a hell of a guy and people lose sight of that and just rail the guy. i'd rather carr be on my team than some thug criminal just looking to get paid. david carr has given this team quite a bit and we havent given him much
 
If it's anything that people are passionate about here in Texas, it's their football. I just think that the fans feel a bit slighted by David...big money and very little return. He has been compensated well for the abuse he takes. It comes with the territory of being an NFL quarterback. Special treatment by the owner has just fueled the fire. I like David, but he has lost the confidence of his team mates and fans. I wish it were'nt so, but he needs to be moved to greener pastures. JMO.
 
this isnt the Houston Carr's. why everyone cares so much about this pile of crap I will never know.

this is about making the Texans better, not making Carr better. Carr is not the only player on the team for crying out loud....learn2count

go away carr...your act is tired...you suck...you will never be any good anywhere..and take the Carr homers with you

go ____ yourself carr, k thanks bye

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OldEagle1 said:
Everyone knows the incredible physical beating he has took this last half decade. Everyone should realize most of the abuse was not his fault. David has taken it all, and remained a "model citizen" as far as I can see. Never see him on the police headlines, or throwing a teamate under the bus on TV like Dunta did...so...I ask: How much abuse should David take from the "fans"?
How much is too much?:crutch:
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I'm not sure how 'incredible' the beatings have been, but I digress.

"most of the abuse was not his fault"...hmmmm....Kubiak said that about a third of Carr's sacks in 2005 were the QBs fault. So I'd say that using the term "most" is overstating.

As far as a model citizen and being thrown under the bus....the first part is good for marketing campaigns, and the second is in the eye of the beholder. Many folks did not fault D.Rob for stating the obvious, especially since the owner and head coach had said basically the same thing a few weeks before making the statements.

It's all perspective.

BeerFan said:
i don't think any of it is fair to him. he's a hell of a guy and people lose sight of that and just rail the guy. i'd rather carr be on my team than some thug criminal just looking to get paid. david carr has given this team quite a bit and we havent given him much
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We've given him tens of millions of dollars...but that might not be much to some folks.

As far as being a hell of a guy, there is little doubt. But for some reason(s), defenses still sack the guy in spite of that fact. It's like defenders just don't care about him being a model citizen. They hit him hard anyway.

Stampede said:
If it's anything that people are passionate about here in Texas, it's their football. I just think that the fans feel a bit slighted by David...big money and very little return. He has been compensated well for the abuse he takes. It comes with the territory of being an NFL quarterback. Special treatment by the owner has just fueled the fire. I like David, but he has lost the confidence of his team mates and fans. I wish it were'nt so, but he needs to be moved to greener pastures. JMO.
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yep...passion.

QFT :victory: "quoted for truth"
 
Second Honeymoon said:
this isnt the Houston Carr's. why everyone cares so much about this pile of crap I will never know.

go away carr...your act is tired...you suck...you will never be any good anywhere

go ____ yourself carr

nuff said
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Damn dogg, it really ain't this serious. Calm down and take a breather or drink a cold one, might make you feel better.
 
Stampede said:
If it's anything that people are passionate about here in Texas, it's their football. I just think that the fans feel a bit slighted by David...big money and very little return. He has been compensated well for the abuse he takes. It comes with the territory of being an NFL quarterback. Special treatment by the owner has just fueled the fire. I like David, but he has lost the confidence of his team mates and fans. I wish it were'nt so, but he needs to be moved to greener pastures. JMO.
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stampede, you have never spoken wiser words. we dont always agree but you are a real fan of the Texans and deserve respect.
 
K.D. said:
Damn dogg, it really ain't this serious. Calm down and take a breather or drink a cold one, might make you feel better.
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its been over 5 years with this worthless pile of cow manure. i apologize for the vitrole but the guy just sucks and i am 'sick and tired of being sick and tired' (to coin a lame Carr quote)

my family and I have already wasted well over 15k on these Texans on tickets and PSL's alone...maybe that makes it a little more personal to me, i dont know. I actually go to the games too and cheer the WHOLE team including Carr. But when you get 5 years of just embarassing and unprofessional football it just gets old. I just want a team we can ALL believe in and with Carr there is no hope at all of that coming to fruition.

my girlfriend does tell me I take it a bit too personal and she is probably right...im just a bit passionate about football and about winning. this mr. congeniality contest we have had here for 5 years is freaking old.
 
BeerFan said:
money isn't much. even if you have all of it.
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I agree money isn't everything but to say it isn't much is a huge understatement. Given the money David got with his last contract, he could live off the interest alone for the rest of his life and still have a life style better than mine.

What is David 28? I'm 40 and I'll still have to go to work everyday for the next twenty years just so I can retire in moderate comfort. Hopefully, I'll live a little time after 60 so I can enjoy it.

Granted, money won't buy him love, but isn't that what a dog is for?
 
Stampede said:
Thanks man, now....about Quinn...:juggle:
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I like Quinn but only if he drops to #8. To get in a bidding war with 2-4 teams to move up two slots is just a nightmare proposal. If we want to move up it needs to be to slots 1-3 so we could get one of the true elite studs in the draft (CJ, AJ, and Thomas)

I have to admit though, I would be extremely happy if Quinn is there at #8. It would be a little karma coming back from last year's debacle with their 1st Round pick. Most of my friends disagree with me but that is because they still havent turned page from the Texans passong on VY. To not draft a QB just because we didn't draft one last year only compounds the initial error imho.

but anywho this is a Carr thread.....surprise
 
This thread resembles a GEICO commercial.

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OldEagle1 said:
Everyone knows the incredible physical beating he has took this last half decade.
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So would you say that Carr has been hit more times than your average running back, or even Andre Johnson for that matter? I don't hear any pity for these guys.
 
Yes Harry it is nice to see ya again. I haven't been abused in 4-5 days, since we last spoke at Texanstalk. Any idea when that site is coming back on line?
 
Second Honeymoon said:
this isnt the Houston Carr's. why everyone cares so much about this pile of crap I will never know.

this is about making the Texans better, not making Carr better. Carr is not the only player on the team for crying out loud....learn2count

go away carr...your act is tired...you suck...you will never be any good anywhere..and take the Carr homers with you

go ____ yourself carr, k thanks bye

nuff said
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Quit crying
 
Some of y'all are missing the point. I ask about how much abuse David Carr the human being should take. Not about DC the player, money, W-L record, completions, or whatever. David Carr the human being has been a stand-up guy, period. (Please spare the sarcasm about being laid out on the turf...) Hate him or not, you gotta give him credit for being a real class act. I wish most fans could be as classy.

BTW, I am a new poster here. I was compelled to do so after seeing that punk Dunta trash Carr on national TV. That was just WRONG.
 
OldEagle1 said:
Some of y'all are missing the point. I ask about how much abuse David Carr the human being should take. Not about DC the player, money, W-L record, completions, or whatever. David Carr the human being has been a stand-up guy, period. (Please spare the sarcasm about being laid out on the turf...) Hate him or not, you gotta give him credit for being a real class act. I wish most fans could be as classy.

BTW, I am a new poster here. I was compelled to do so after seeing that punk Dunta trash Carr on national TV. That was just WRONG.
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David Carr doesn't read these MB's...........................................................................................................................his brother does.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
its been over 5 years with this worthless pile of cow manure. i apologize for the vitrole but the guy just sucks and i am 'sick and tired of being sick and tired' (to coin a lame Carr quote)

my family and I have already wasted well over 15k on these Texans on tickets and PSL's alone...maybe that makes it a little more personal to me, i dont know. I actually go to the games too and cheer the WHOLE team including Carr. But when you get 5 years of just embarassing and unprofessional football it just gets old. I just want a team we can ALL believe in and with Carr there is no hope at all of that coming to fruition.

my girlfriend does tell me I take it a bit too personal and she is probably right...im just a bit passionate about football and about winning. this mr. congeniality contest we have had here for 5 years is freaking old.
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You mean to tell me you are not in Jr high, wow, you had me fooled. I find the fact that you help pay Carr's salary funny:)
 
Second Honeymoon said:
this isnt the Houston Carr's. why everyone cares so much about this pile of crap I will never know.

this is about making the Texans better, not making Carr better. Carr is not the only player on the team for crying out loud....learn2count

go away carr...your act is tired...you suck...you will never be any good anywhere..and take the Carr homers with you

go ____ yourself carr, k thanks bye

nuff said
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I think the reason people make a big deal is that they see potential in Carr, while others don,t. Its just a mtter of opinion.
 
Stampede said:
If it's anything that people are passionate about here in Texas, it's their football. I just think that the fans feel a bit slighted by David...big money and very little return. He has been compensated well for the abuse he takes. It comes with the territory of being an NFL quarterback. Special treatment by the owner has just fueled the fire. I like David, but he has lost the confidence of his team mates and fans. I wish it were'nt so, but he needs to be moved to greener pastures. JMO.
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I agree with you Stampede. I only wish second would learn just a bit of tact when he talks about Carr, heck if it was up to him I think a public hanging would happen. second spews such hatred for david you would think he asked david out and he said no.
 
Alot of fans should take a deep breath, and try to realize there is a human being underneath that jersey. Being hateful as hell to someone who trys hard, but the results don't always come, is wrong. Disband the lynch mob, please. DC is not a criminal, child molester, or mass murderer. Get a grip, people. Houston has treated felons better than this. Have some class.

DAVID CARR: One of the league’s rising young quarterbacks…prototype quarterback with cannon arm and seasoned instincts…has displayed considerable poise, tenacity and toughness through four seasons…has thrown for 10,624 yards with 48 TDs and 53 interceptions in 60 career games, despite getting sacked 208 times…also one of the league’s top rushing QBs with 1,040 career yards and six TDs to his credit…has completed more than 60% of his passes in each of the last two seasons and has thrown more touchdown passes than interceptions in both years…set an NFL record for consecutive starts for an expansion team (23) before suffering an ankle injury in 2003…didn’t miss a snap in 2002, throwing for 2,592 yards, second-most for a rookie QB on an expansion team (Kerry Collins, Carolina, 2,717 in 1995)…one of five finalists for 2002 NFL Rookie of the Year…originally drafted by the Texans with the first-overall selection of the 2002 NFL Draft – the first draft pick in franchise history…12th quarterback selected number one overall since the 1970 NFL-AFL merger.
 
your absolutely right. David shouldn't have to take another sentence of abuse. They should release him immediately before the texans fans warp his fragile little mind. David isn't getting abused. Abused is those fans that throw batteries at people. Abused is those fans that stalk you and make you fear for your safety. David Carr isn't abused. David Carr is just reminded on a daily basis how bad he sucks at the game of being a quarterback. Thats not really that harsh, especially considering the basis in fact that particular arguement has. For 8 mill, im pretty sure i could sack myself and deal with people on the internet saying i'm horrible. Its not like anybody here is calling for his death or anything...just his job. Thats plenty reasonable.
 
I'm not going to read this thread because I'm sick of all this from every angel.....But I do feel it's important to add my thoughts.

David Carr should not be a Texan anymore. . .The reasons why aren't important at this point, but the fact of the matter remains, it's time for everyone to part ways.

However, in no way, shape or form, should he have to endure the ugliness from "fans" that he has received.

WE are Texans, our flag stands for Pride, Courage, Strength, Tradition and Independence.

David, and the Texans may not have have been the right match for each other, but I certainly think he showed all of the above characteristics while representing this team.

As he leaves, let's show him the same.

:texan:
 
dvs1 said:
So would you say that Carr has been hit more times than your average running back, or even Andre Johnson for that matter? I don't hear any pity for these guys.
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...good point-every player on the offense gets hit on just about every play-Carr has a better chance to avoid getting hit than other players and has more players taking hits for him than anyone else-and, of course Carr makes the big bucks and-in his case-does not put up the big #'s.

...bottom line, Carr is playing the wrong sport--maybe powder puff?
 
BeerFan said:
i don't think any of it is fair to him. he's a hell of a guy and people lose sight of that and just rail the guy. i'd rather carr be on my team than some thug criminal just looking to get paid. david carr has given this team quite a bit and we havent given him much
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I've given the Texans thousands of dollars for our qb to give us a winning season. Carr probally has made 40 to 50 millions dollors, he should be able to take the heat for us not have a winning season in 5 years. For the money he is being paid he is suppose to make the players around him better not the other way around.

I can't imagine if I was the boss of a major company and didn't produce a profit in 5 years that I would get a chance for another year, so Carr shouldn't either.
 
El Amigo Invisible said:
I feel sorry for whoever is taking David's place.PERIOD.
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I pretty sure whoever it is won't break a few of his records.

Like having the most sacks in a season.

Like winning a game with minus yards.

Like Carr's fumbling record.

Like his average yards per pass before the yards after the catch.

Like the win/LOSS record. (Our next qb would be benched in his second year)

Should I go on.
 
How much of this kind of post should the fanbase of the Houston Texans be forced to take? These are as bad as the "Our Carr is broken" or "We need a new Carr" threads. Seriously, every time someone uses a lame "Carr=Car" reference we all lose a brain cell. Those have to stop and I'm for the Texans ridding themselves of David Carr if it accomplishes nothing more than to purge the boards of this kind of thing.

The "He's been to hell and back" posts are almost as bad. He hasn't been the brutally abused QB that you people seem to love to portray him as since 2002 and he wasn't even abused that bad then. Higher than average sacks? Yeah, he had that. Sacking himself like a bag of groceries? Yeah, he did a lot of that too. I guess every time he ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage that was brutal abuse right? Every time he crumpled up before anyone got there and took a sack from the first guy who's hand touched him was brutal abuse? Give me a friggin break. Last year there was a list of QB's who were sacked more than David and those QB's produced results. In 2003 it was the same story.

One fact is consistent. David doesn't produce when he's pressured and he doesn't produce when he's not pressured. That is just solid truth. If he was going to get it done the Texans wouldn't be making fools out of themselves trying to unload him one year after they passed on Vince Young. Does anyone think they want to be looking for a QB a year after not picking the local hero? Does anyone with a clue think they don't realize how stupid they look in this situation?

The PR nightmare is something they'd love to avoid. They're going to eat crow on it though because they have to. They're having trouble finding a trading partner because nobody in this business is stupid enough (and there are some profoundly stupid people in this business) to think that Kubiak and Smith are making a mistake on this. If they're trying to move him then he's truly broken or incapable of getting it done. Think about it. Matt Millen isn't even stupid enough to take a shot at David Carr and all he's got is John Kitna.
 
I wanted to keep Carr last year. I wanted Reggie Bush and I thought that we needed to give Kubiak a shot at coaching David Carr. I was not impressed with Vince Young and believed the "conventional wisdom" that he would be a project that might never pan out.

I was wrong. I'd fix it if I could (as I'm sure the Texans probably would as well) but I can't so there it is.
 
Hervoyel said:
I wanted to keep Carr last year. I wanted Reggie Bush and I thought that we needed to give Kubiak a shot at coaching David Carr. I was not impressed with Vince Young and believed the "conventional wisdom" that he would be a project that might never pan out.

I was wrong. I'd fix it if I could (as I'm sure the Texans probably would as well) but I can't so there it is.
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Thank You. Last year, I was getting bashed as a David Carr hater.I never hated David Carr but I wanted to draft Vince.I think we need to stick with David and make this team better from the ground up. I think we have more pressing needs IMO.
 
Hervoyel said:
How much of this kind of post should the fanbase of the Houston Texans be forced to take? These are as bad as the "Our Carr is broken" or "We need a new Carr" threads. Seriously, every time someone uses a lame "Carr=Car" reference we all lose a brain cell. Those have to stop and I'm for the Texans ridding themselves of David Carr if it accomplishes nothing more than to purge the boards of this kind of thing.

The "He's been to hell and back" posts are almost as bad. He hasn't been the brutally abused QB that you people seem to love to portray him as since 2002 and he wasn't even abused that bad then. Higher than average sacks? Yeah, he had that. Sacking himself like a bag of groceries? Yeah, he did a lot of that too. I guess every time he ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage that was brutal abuse right? Every time he crumpled up before anyone got there and took a sack from the first guy who's hand touched him was brutal abuse? Give me a friggin break. Last year there was a list of QB's who were sacked more than David and those QB's produced results. In 2003 it was the same story.
One fact is consistent. David doesn't produce when he's pressured and he doesn't produce when he's not pressured. That is just solid truth. If he was going to get it done the Texans wouldn't be making fools out of themselves trying to unload him one year after they passed on Vince Young. Does anyone think they want to be looking for a QB a year after not picking the local hero? Does anyone with a clue think they don't realize how stupid they look in this situation?

The PR nightmare is something they'd love to avoid. They're going to eat crow on it though because they have to. They're having trouble finding a trading partner because nobody in this business is stupid enough (and there are some profoundly stupid people in this business) to think that the Kubiak and Smith are making a mistake on this. If they're trying to move him then he's truly broken or incapable of getting it done. Think about it. Matt Millen isn't even stupid enough to take a shot at David Carr and all he's got is John Kitna.
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That you Herv. I could not have said it better. It comes down to a team that is in disarray and part of it revolves around Carr. No matter how it started, it is time to move on. I'd give you some rep but have to spread some more around.
 
You guys are smoething..I normally am just happy to read the post on this board and get some new info. But I must admit that the Carr post are getting very old.

If he was on a team that had a good line Denver, Indy, hell anyone and we kept him for five years and he still could not do anything, then I would say get rid of him. But I say we made a chioce we need to stick with it after next year and he is not better then start thinking about getting rid of him.

He is just a part of the of the team, everybody needs to step it up on this team it just not ONE pearson.

I must admit I wanted them to pick Young last year, but they did not. They stuck with Carr and if they don't even this year it will be a PR nightmare.

Carr has the tools he just needs help, so why don't yall find better things to post and stop throwing people, you teams players under the bus and start to support them.
 
El Amigo Invisible said:
Thank You. Last year, I was getting bashed as a David Carr hater.I never hated David Carr but I wanted to draft Vince.I think we need to stick with David and make this team better from the ground up. I think we have more pressing needs IMO.
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I agree the team needs so much to be worried about QB but their are people who need to vent about something and they are. I think David is ok while we build the team. I'm really embarassed by some of these post, the lack of class some show,I've been an Oiler fan back in the Luv ya Blue days and the fans had class back then. The only time I felt like these is when Moon first came here an some fans felt the need to boo and trash him for no really good reason. I think if Carr is still our QB next year some these people will freak out!! Some people need to get over the QB, and focus on the team as a whole. And no it not 90% of the fans won't him gone!!
 
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