This loss is squarely on Kubiak!

[Porky]

Okay, that seals it for me. Our QB is brain dead. Rocks for brains. Know I know exactly why none of his coaches will let him audible. Total **** for brains. His football IQ is about equal to Jessica Simpson after an all night party.

Apprently, Carr was given a couple of plays to choose from, and he decided to pass in that situation. What a complete, and utter moron. We need a real QB that understands football and situations and has an actual clue. Oh, and if I am asking, could we get one that ever plays big in big situations. This one couldn't buy a clue if Vanna White was his QB coach. :brickwall

 

[kcwilson]

The Defense did, but not the jaugernaut offense led by the completion King.

Dude, why ditch on Carr when he is executing passes...

I don't think you can signle handedly blame one aspect of the team for the loss, especially when Carr is just doing his job of completing the passes to players to keep the clock moving. If he threw those balls incomplete down field, the world would be screaming that he wasn't keeping the clock moving. There is no winning over people in this situation.

THe significant reason why we lost are obvious:
(1) Cook fumble
(2) Secondary bad play
(3) Stanley's lack of leg

Why take cheap shots at Carr when he did what was being asked of him and I feel did it smartly.

I didn't see anyone crying on the message boards when he completed passes at the end of the 1st half. I got nu problems with Kubiak's calling of the plays as we were pegged deep and couldn't afford a big turnover in our own territory.

 

[hollywood_texan]

I agree that it was a bad call, but you had a QB that had thrown 22 straight completions in the game. Essentially though, Kubiak did call a run play. A lot of those pass plays are just disguised as run plays. We should keep that in mind.

 

[Headlights of a Carr]

the thing that lost us the game was the D-line, we are very weak at that position right now, and didnt get very good pressure


not gonna blame anything on kubiak

Exactly if anything it is the safeties and the defensive playcalling. If Kubiak runs the ball and doesn't get it, someone complains.

Dang if you do, dang if you don't.

I'm more effing p'od at the play of our safeties. We made JP look like Joe Montana. Terrible D. Our only good CB is Dunta.

 

[Houston_Fanatic]

I don't blame Kubiak - I blame Smith for his stupid prevent defense that has cost us several games this year so far! Not ONCE has it "prevented" anything.

 

[TexaninDenver]

[Bottom line: right before half time, we punch that in instead of turning it over, we win the game.[/QUOTE]

Well, yes, that is true.

 

[kcwilson]

I don't blame Kubiak - I blame Smith for his stupid prevent defense that has cost us several games this year so far! Not ONCE has it "prevented" anything.

Prevents you from winning... so in that sense it is effective.

 

[Ibar_Harry]

we scored in the 3rd quarter.

I believe that was because of an INT...........

 

[Ibar_Harry]

Dude, why ditch on Carr when he is executing passes...

I don't think you can signle handedly blame one aspect of the team for the loss, especially when Carr is just doing his job of completing the passes to players to keep the clock moving. If he threw those balls incomplete down field, the world would be screaming that he wasn't keeping the clock moving. There is no winning over people in this situation.

THe significant reason why we lost are obvious:
(1) Cook fumble
(2) Secondary bad play
(3) Stanley's lack of leg

Why take cheap shots at Carr when he did what was being asked of him and I feel did it smartly.

I didn't see anyone crying on the message boards when he completed passes at the end of the 1st half. I got nu problems with Kubiak's calling of the plays as we were pegged deep and couldn't afford a big turnover in our own territory.

The biggest factor is the last two series started at the 11 I believe. We could not get to the 20 and that is a big factor in the play calling. Our kicking game is very weak as a whole and it shows in big games at critical times. If you recall Kubiak commented on this a couple of games ago. I have also been saying Kubiak's play calling sucks for some time now and its nice to see more people getting on the band wagon. I have said Kubiak's calls are Caperish in nature and I will not back off that statement. He is a very poor play clock and end-game manager. He simply went to the well once too often. The Cook fumble was very big once again. That's two games you can lay on the line to his fumbling in critical situations.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Losman completed the biggest pass of the day . Theres times in a game that you seperate the men from the boys ... Losman made the one completion that counted .

 

[Maddict5]

What do you mean it was a stupid play call? Everyone in the world was expecting the run, and to try to trick and pass, it was a good try. If it would have worked, you wouldnt be saying crap. God i hate people that second guess a play call AFTER the fact. Carr had been doing good all day and he threw A bad pass.

exactly i dont mind that call at all-why? BECAUSE IT WAS PLAYING TO WIN!!
However the 2nd half playcalling was too conservative imo and he does deserve criticism for that

 

[ChrisG]

a large portion of this loss goes to Kubiak, but you can't over look the HORRIBLE coverage in the first half...i will even overlook Cook's fumble (it was a well placed hit)

1 83 yard pass= okay, we made a mistake
2 80+ yard passes in consecutive drives= unacceptable

we need a S in the draft, and if we continue to play like this we will have out pick of the litter

i can't even watch any other games....wtf we had it, the bills suck, we had 'em

THIS SUMS UP OUR PLAY:

 

[Porky]

exactly i dont mind that call at all-why? BECAUSE IT WAS PLAYING TO WIN!!
However the 2nd half playcalling was too conservative imo and he does deserve criticism for that

Dude or dudette, not to be overly critical, but if you think that was playing to win, you honestly need a refresher course in winning football. That wasn't the only boneheaded play, but it was the last one, and the most obvisousely misguided one at that. 31 out of the 32 teams know exactly what to do in that situation. If you just insist on passing in that situation, don't throw a bullet pass to AJ, (ever heard of touch Carr?) when being covered like a blanket all day by Clements. If you must pass, how bout a roll out run/pass option, or a play action pass, and throw it to the back or maybe a TE. A nice very safe pass. Honestly, even that goes against convential wisdom, but the paticular pass chosen was a terrible choice, and apparently that was one of Carr's chosing. I see exactly why none of his coaches let him call his own plays. When it comes to football, he ain't exactly a mensa candidate.

 

[scourge]

I couldn't have said it better myself i felt the same exact way when the play happened

not only mine, but everyones opinion around me... not even kidding a little bit.

 

[run-david-run]

the formation was dumb as well. having both receivers on one side allows the defense to focus on that side and running a slant, which takes you into the middle of the field made it even worse because it took AJ right into linebacker. just a terrible decison in pretty much every aspect

 

[johnboy]

i agree, this loss is on kubiak. we were gashing them with the run, why pass on 3rd and 2?? they had 1 timeout left, and was up with that conservative defense when the bills were driving? how can they only rush 3?? i wouldve been blitzing my a## off!!! the texans were too conservative today in the 2nd half as usual! we shouldve beaten the titans, shouldve beaten the bills, we should be 5-5!!

Why throw that pass the diff. was set up for the run Carrs pass was right to there power incomplete the clock stops.(They don't have to call a timeout.)and we have to kick great another 35yds kick (Do they paid that kid) One other thing the sun,playing at home and we don't realize are could be a problem with it. We will never win playing like this.

 

[wolfscar]

I agree the call was a bad one, but the loss can't be placed completely on Kubiak.

Did you guys see Faggins get torched for loooooong touchdown passes by Lee Evans?

Did you see Cook fumble the ball deep in the Bills territory?

This loss convinced me even more that we need to use our first round pick on a cornerback or free safefy, if the value is justified when the Texans are on the clock.

The voice of reason.

This loss is not squarely on Kubiak - that's just nuts. It was a combination of things that lost us this game - the Bills (especially Clements) shut down our long passing game, their O-Line played really smart (did you see Mario getting forced to push off his right foot all day? There was just no power in it at all) and consequently Losman had WAY too much time to pick out his receivers (who promptly made some big plays for him). Added to that, we had a nickel corner covering a lightning fast receiver, being helped by a FS who can't cover for crap.

I liked the playcalling this game, overall - we dominated through 90% of that game. Sure, a running play would have eaten up their timeout, but he went for a pass because 9 times out of 10 you run there (especially given how we'd been playing) and he wanted to catch them out. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Today it didn't. Our running game was excellent, we shut down the A-Train and overall our offense looked pretty comfortable against some of the best defensive players in the league.

I thought we were the better team, but the Bills took our personnel issues and smacked us around with them. We need a healthy D-Line, with someone better than TJ at the heart of it, we need a healthy O-Line (although on a plus note I thought Winston did okay at RT today) but more than anything else, we need a cover corner to line up opposite Dunta and we need a FS who can play FS (Asante Samuel and LaRon Landry...?).

Kubiak still gets my support - 100%

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Well we proved two things today .

1. Our defense is'nt good enough yet to sit on a lead .

2. The coaches need to stay with the KISS ( keep it simple stupid ) method when closing out a game . I don't know if it was Carr's choice about the pass but he should'nt have an option .

 

[kubiakfan]

Kubiak will go down as one of the top Offensive masterminds in history, and although you guys are having a hard season this year, it will be okay everything will get turned around, trust me Gary Kubiak is a great coach and I believe he will get your team to the SB (unfourntley that means beating us in a playoff game someday but hey if Gary Kubiak whens a SB as being a head coach someday I will be cheering him every step of the way, even if that means my team doesnt get to the SB lol)

I will always be a Kubiak fan no matter where he coachs, but my loaylities lie with the denver broncos first and as always, but I wont be to horriably upset if we lose to them : maybe in some wierd kind of way I will always have two teams lol.

 

[dantem]

I would not have felt any different about the game if we had won, when you cant get more than a few first downs in the entire fourth quarter you don't deserve to win. I hope kubiak learned a lesson today about playing not to lose in the 4th qaurter. You have to stay aggressive in the NFL. You cannot go into any form of prevent and keep a lead.

 

[Maddict5]

Dude or dudette, not to be overly critical, but if you think that was playing to win, you honestly need a refresher course in winning football. That wasn't the only boneheaded play, but it was the last one, and the most obvisousely misguided one at that. 31 out of the 32 teams know exactly what to do in that situation. If you just insist on passing in that situation, don't throw a bullet pass to AJ, (ever heard of touch Carr?) when being covered like a blanket all day by Clements. If you must pass, how bout a roll out run/pass option, or a play action pass, and throw it to the back or maybe a TE. A nice very safe pass. Honestly, even that goes against convential wisdom, but the paticular pass chosen was a terrible choice, and apparently that was one of Carr's chosing. I see exactly why none of his coaches let him call his own plays. When it comes to football, he ain't exactly a mensa candidate.

ok Marty

hmm..all very well in theory- BUT

crappy o-line + defence blitzing+ long developing play= likely carr on his ass and people *****ing bout crappy playcalling....

did kubiak call a bullet pass to andre? no... bottomline: he called a pass play when most defences expect a run and knew that andre would be in single coverage- if it gets completed we win (see the whole playing to win concept) and every1 saying kubiak has steel nuts again etc

DC called the plays in the ST louis and cards games last yr..showed he can do it ok

 

[threetoedpete]

It was not a good pass by David, but for the most part he had a good game,
maybe very good.
But the problem with the 3 and 2 call was Carr's execution, not the call. It
was a call to win the game which is odd because for much of the 2nd half
Kubiak had gone very conservative, sat on a very slim lead, and his play calling relected the mentality of one playing not to lose.
Tough loss, but a lot better than being down by 3 or 4 touchdowns in the 4th quarter with no chance.

Agreed. As far as the call itself, It looked to me that Moulds was open half a step. Not to feed the Carr bashers, just saying. With the three step drop, kinda hard to fault Carr with the choice. A.J is the league leader isn't he ? Don't you want to give the bell cow a chance to redeem his day ? Buffalo corner just had a pro bowl day against us. Seems to be a reoccouring theme though. We go into half time and our offense cannot even generate a feild goal try. I think the rest of the season we can pretty much expect an '05 preformance. The same group equals the same production. And to that thought, it just might be the brain trust realizes this and glad to be up at the half figured our best chance to win was to gaurd the lead. We may not agree with this. But the fact is they know and we don't. We just don't have a very tallented football team right now. Kubes and the coaches gave the players their best chance to win. They can't execute for them.

 

[RTP2110]

Play calling 101:

When you have thead under 2 minutes to go, run the ball. I dont care if its 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 22. Run it!

Prevent defense should be used in 1 situation and 1 situation only. That is when the other team is throwing a hail mary. Never any time else.

 

[Mr. White]

Play calling 101:

When you have thead under 2 minutes to go, run the ball. I dont care if its 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 22. Run it!

The run was working so well the second half.

Prevent defense should be used in 1 situation and 1 situation only. That is when the other team is throwing a hail mary. Never any time else.

We only run the prevent for the hail mary.

Signed,

31 other NFL teams

 

[QB75]

What do you mean it was a stupid play call? Everyone in the world was expecting the run, and to try to trick and pass, it was a good try. If it would have worked, you wouldnt be saying crap. God i hate people that second guess a play call AFTER the fact. Carr had been doing good all day and he threw A bad pass.

If you are serious then you don't know much about football.

 

[NATHANHALE]

Dude or dudette, not to be overly critical, but if you think that was playing to win, you honestly need a refresher course in winning football. That wasn't the only boneheaded play, but it was the last one, and the most obvisousely misguided one at that. 31 out of the 32 teams know exactly what to do in that situation. If you just insist on passing in that situation, don't throw a bullet pass to AJ, (ever heard of touch Carr?) when being covered like a blanket all day by Clements. If you must pass, how bout a roll out run/pass option, or a play action pass, and throw it to the back or maybe a TE. A nice very safe pass. Honestly, even that goes against convential wisdom, but the paticular pass chosen was a terrible choice, and apparently that was one of Carr's chosing. I see exactly why none of his coaches let him call his own plays. When it comes to football, he ain't exactly a mensa candidate.

...there you go!

 

[NATHANHALE]

Our offense does not score enough points, never has. People say our offense was great today and Carr was super and we controlled the game 90% of the time, etc.etc.

Folks, we didn't score a single offensive point in the second half. Carr has not thrown a TD in 4 games, only 9 in 10 games--3 TDs in one game means David has thrown 6 TDs in the other 9 games...and we're playing 'great' offensive football? 4 TDs in the last 3 games ain't going to win very many games...

...and the 'playing not to lose' play calling...geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz...don't get me started :brickwall

 

[Houston_Fanatic]

Kubiak will go down as one of the top Offensive masterminds in history, and although you guys are having a hard season this year, it will be okay everything will get turned around, trust me Gary Kubiak is a great coach and I believe he will get your team to the SB (unfourntley that means beating us in a playoff game someday but hey if Gary Kubiak whens a SB as being a head coach someday I will be cheering him every step of the way, even if that means my team doesnt get to the SB lol)

I will always be a Kubiak fan no matter where he coachs, but my loaylities lie with the denver broncos first and as always, but I wont be to horriably upset if we lose to them : maybe in some wierd kind of way I will always have two teams lol.

Thanks, kubiakfan, for your words of encouragement. It is hard to see it now when we lose yet another game we should have won, but Kubiak had a fantastic draft class and I have seen glimpses of greatness that gives me hope. We just don't have enough talent on our team to meet our expectations or to be consistent, but I believe we will get there and Kubiak will be leading us.

 

[dat_boy_yec]

People critizing the call are really off. If you look at the play you see A) Johnson had advanced the 2 yds. necessary for the first down. B) he had inside position. C) the pass was not tipped nor was anybody in position to make a int. However even though all those things were well and good the placement was off. Had the ball been placed where Johnson could pull it in we would all be praising the call. Damn, I hate to sound Caperish, but on that play we simply didn't execute.

 

[hollywood_texan]

Our offense does not score enough points, never has. People say our offense was great today and Carr was super and we controlled the game 90% of the time, etc.etc.

Folks, we didn't score a single offensive point in the second half. Carr has not thrown a TD in 4 games, only 9 in 10 games--3 TDs in one game means David has thrown 6 TDs in the other 9 games...and we're playing 'great' offensive football? 4 TDs in the last 3 games ain't going to win very many games...

...and the 'playing not to lose' play calling...geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz...don't get me started :brickwall

This guy's got it! The offense has a problem scoring points and coming through in the clutch. Which maybe the biggest problem this team has right now.

As for Kubiak's play calling on 3-2 to pass the ball really wasn't that bad of a call considering the offense. That pass play was a high percentage play that was not executed properly. Basically, Carr and Johnson should be able to run that play in their sleep considering the objective of this offense. Not to mention if Carr's consecutive completions meant anything, that play would have worked.

This game was lost on so many levels, I don't know where to start and I really don't feel like it.

But, the biggest problem the Texans have is that they are lacking a couple of playmakers that can come through in the clutch.

 

[ChrisG]

People critizing the call are really off. If you look at the play you see A) Johnson had advanced the 2 yds. necessary for the first down. B) he had inside position. C) the pass was not tipped nor was anybody in position to make a int. However even though all those things were well and good the placement was off. Had the ball been placed where Johnson could pull it in we would all be praising the call. Damn, I hate to sound Caperish, but on that play we simply didn't execute.

yea but with a run, even if he got a 40 yard loss, we would have been in better shape - clock still running...all he had to do was hold onto the damn ball, a pass is far more risky...even a kneel would have been better


NATHANHALE,
you are right tho, if they want to win they have to put up some pts in the 2nd half....

 

[dat_boy_yec]

yea but with a run, even if he got a 40 yard loss, we would have been in better shape - clock still running...all he had to do was hold onto the damn ball, a pass is far more risky...even a kneel would have been better


NATHANHALE,
you are right tho, if they want to win they have to put up some pts in the 2nd half....

Second guessing huh, well then we should have gone for it on 4 and 2 then right. Gotta go for broke don't we. They still had that time out and may have burned it, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have scored on our "prevent defense" and even then we still had a shot on that kickoff return. Which wouldn't have even been possible had we ran it, because then more than likely they might have scored on their last play.

 

[Big J]

I agree the call was a bad one, but the loss can't be placed completely on Kubiak.

Did you guys see Faggins get torched for loooooong touchdown passes by Lee Evans?

Did you see Cook fumble the ball deep in the Bills territory?

This loss convinced me even more that we need to use our first round pick on a cornerback or free safefy, if the value is justified when the Texans are on the clock.

I couldnt agree more. Kubiak's play was not his best move, but what concerns me more is our D. Dont get me wrong, it is getting alot better. But with injuries, etc. our D is really exposed. Our secondary is horrible. Playing prevent to me was the worst decision of the game. We dont have enough talent to play prevent and thats the bottom line. I just changed my decision on drafting a OL in the first to drafting a stud corner/safety. CC Brown is at best a back up and we need to find him a replacement.

 

[wicked_wayz]

Dumbest comment of the day..

agreed

 

[Maddict5]

i cant believe the people that are *****ing over the 3rd and 2 call...the bills were expecting a run-they brought every1 up to the LOS...a well executed pass play wins the game...how do ye not see it- the bills still had a TO if they stopped us so again what are ye moaning about the clock.....

a run play in that situation is playing not to lose- which is what all of ye are usually whining about... anyway well done guys ye're all geniuses after the event .. 3rd and 2 was a good playcall- i dont care what any of ye think

 

[ChrisG]

Second guessing huh, well then we should have gone for it on 4 and 2 then right. Gotta go for broke don't we. They still had that time out and may have burned it, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have scored on our "prevent defense" and even then we still had a shot on that kickoff return. Which wouldn't have even been possible had we ran it, because then more than likely they might have scored on their last play.

in terms of that play a run would have been better, but there was poor play calling throughout the 2nd half, case in point the prevent def

 

[JDizzle]

After 4 years of Capers football I am not that upset with the call. The offense was playing so terrible anyways and I'm not sure we would have picked up the 2 yards on the ground either. Kubiak gave his QB a chance to make a big play with an easy-cheese slant to AJ and Carr botches it with an awful pass. I can see why one would question the call, much like the one last week, because they aren't calls most coaches would make.

 

[mganz]

However even though all those things were well and good the placement was off. Had the ball been placed where Johnson could pull it in we would all be praising the call.

the ball was thrown high but it was catchable. I stated in another thread that AJ released from his guy late. But again not a great throw

 

[HJam72]

I agree that it was a bad call and I pretty much hate that zone defense, not that I could actually SEE the game, but I'm not worried about Kubiak in the long run. He's a good coach. He's just a rookie at it. I wasn't listening at all when the 2 TDs were scored against us in the first qtr., but that just can't happen on D and I blame that and Cook's fumble more than anything. Cook isn't a fumbler, IIRC about his past, but he really needs to get that straightened out. That's the second game we've lost this year that we definitely outplayed the winning team. At least we're LOOKING good though. For instance, I was just last week starting to complain about Orr in a 4-3 and he got....what?....6 tackles and one killer sack, I believe. I was starting too get really worried about this D not getting turnovers, and now that's gotten better. We can't lose every game in the final seconds. Some of them will go our way.

 

[Malloy]

Run on 3'd and 2, then if no first down is achieved, have Carr run backwards on the field with the ball, burn as much time as possible and give them a safety. Less time, same field position.

Only problem is, it's now a 2-point game... oh well, did not happen. We lost that's how this game is sometimes

 

[cuppacoffee]

the ball was thrown high but it was catchable. I stated in another thread that AJ released from his guy late. But again not a great throw

Someone who gets it.

Spencer Tillman breaks down the play in his segment on CH 13.

He shows Moulds turning his numbers to Carr quickly, giving him a target.

Andre is still busy playing pitty pat with the DB.

Carr should have gone to Moulds, that was his only mistake on the play.

Andre Johnson is the most over-rated player on this team, if not in the entire NFL, not Carr.

Strange how C Johnson, T Owens and the other good recievers can get open and Johnson can't. Andre isn't the only reciever in the NFL to be double teamed.

Posters on this board whine about Carr not throwing the ball deep.

When he does his pro bowl receiver either gets out jumped or out muscled by a receiver who is six inches shorter and forty pounds ligher than he is.

Other receivers get open and also fight for the ball. Johnson does neither.

Go ahead, quote me Johnsons great numbers.

Carr has great numbers too, but it's all his fault we lose.
Brilliant observation.

Carrs most telling stat the last few years are the sacks he has taken while waiting for his non receivers, Johnson included, to get open.

 

[kingh99]

Our offense does not score enough points, never has. People say our offense was great today and Carr was super and we controlled the game 90% of the time, etc.etc.

Folks, we didn't score a single offensive point in the second half. Carr has not thrown a TD in 4 games, only 9 in 10 games--3 TDs in one game means David has thrown 6 TDs in the other 9 games...and we're playing 'great' offensive football? 4 TDs in the last 3 games ain't going to win very many games...

...and the 'playing not to lose' play calling...geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz...don't get me started :brickwall

Ball control with the short passing game is the pits. Ugly to watch and you keep waiting for the mistake and turnover to result in -0- points. What happened yesterday in the middle of Carr's milking 22 receptions for little effect? The back put the ball on the ground before the 20th pass in the series found the end zone. They ran out of luck tossing the ball around.

 

[HJam72]

Ball control with the short passing game is the pits.

Tell that to Joe Montana. Of course, there's so many differences in situations that it's rediculous, but my point is that it can work very well with the right personnel and all that. What went wrong was play-calling at the end of the game, Cook, and the 2 first qtr. TDs.

 

[dalemurphy]

Run on 3'd and 2, then if no first down is achieved, have Carr run backwards on the field with the ball, burn as much time as possible and give them a safety. Less time, same field position.

Only problem is, it's now a 2-point game... oh well, did not happen. We lost that's how this game is sometimes

That's a ridiculous idea. You would stop the clock for them and eliminate 30 yards of ground that they would need to cover in order to win the game (field goal instead of TD)

The highest percentage play was to simply run it for the first. That accomplishes to goals: 1. gives us a reasonable shot at a 1st down... 2. Forces Buffalo to use the final timeout if we don't make it. The Texans know that and so does Buffalo. Kubiak played against the tendencies thinking they could take advantage of the situation. Unfortunately it didn't work. Let's move on!

 

[Malloy]

That's a ridiculous idea. You would stop the clock for them and eliminate 30 yards of ground that they would need to cover in order to win the game (field goal instead of TD)

The highest percentage play was to simply run it for the first. That accomplishes to goals: 1. gives us a reasonable shot at a 1st down... 2. Forces Buffalo to use the final timeout if we don't make it. The Texans know that and so does Buffalo. Kubiak played against the tendencies thinking they could take advantage of the situation. Unfortunately it didn't work. Let's move on!

uhm... ok.. Sorry....

moving on.

 

[Vinny]

You don't stop the clock in this situation.

Football is a strategy game and every action has an equal and opposite reaction...use some FRIGGIN' SOUND FOOTBALL STRATEGY KUBIAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Double Barrel]

The highest percentage play was to simply run it for the first. That accomplishes to goals: 1. gives us a reasonable shot at a 1st down... 2. Forces Buffalo to use the final timeout if we don't make it. The Texans know that and so does Buffalo. Kubiak played against the tendencies thinking they could take advantage of the situation. Unfortunately it didn't work. Let's move on!

You don't stop the clock in this situation.

Both posts hit the nail on the head, IMO, and I agree 100%. football 101

 

[Jim Nayzium]

I think the big bungle was actually the long incomplete pass to AJ that stopped the clock around the 4:00 mark. Running the ball instead of passing would have eaten up at least 20-25 more seconds - which might have made the difference.

This is so true...

Here is the deal people....

Kubiak ran the ball on 3rd and 15 with 9 minutes to go in the game as if to say, "Ball-Control, run the clock, no mistakes..."

Then when it counted most in the game, he choked.....CHOKED.

Anyone saying, wow we could have tricked them, or "You just gotta make that catch...." Here is my response to you ----- YOU ARE A FRIGGIN MORON!!!!

There is one, and I repeat ONE, absolute way to test out in hindsight whether your play-call was a terrible one or not....

IF, at the end of the play that was executed, it would have been better for the team if the person you decide to give the ball to was shot by a sniper and killed before he had the chance to do anything with it.

TWO _ TIMES in that game, if the Sniper shoots Carr before an incompletion, we win either time.

4 minutes to go, stupid deep ball (which is even stupidly selfish, as it woud have been pass number 23...at least throw a completable ball on the record breaker...)

And 3rd and 2...

So running game fans get off your high horse...I am not saying, 'We should have run the ball cuz it was only two yards...'

I am saying, Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him? As the ball is hiked to Carr on 3rd and 2...he is picked off from the press-box by a 30-06 prior to throwing the ball....

Bills save their last time out and we run 30 more seconds...we win....
or Bills take the last time out, and then don't have the 9 seconds left to win with cuz they were tackled in bounds 4 times...

A team stupid enough to get tackled in bounds 4 times with 1 timeout left, surely gets tackled in bounds twice with no time outs left....

BOTTOM LINE, If Carr downs the ball on 3rd and 2 WE WIN.....

Beyond fear of contradiction!

 

[bah007]

This is so true...

Here is the deal people....

Kubiak ran the ball on 3rd and 15 with 9 minutes to go in the game as if to say, "Ball-Control, run the clock, no mistakes..."

Then when it counted most in the game, he choked.....CHOKED.

Anyone saying, wow we could have tricked them, or "You just gotta make that catch...." Here is my response to you ----- YOU ARE A FRIGGIN MORON!!!!

There is one, and I repeat ONE, absolute way to test out in hindsight whether your play-call was a terrible one or not....

IF, at the end of the play that was executed, it would have been better for the team if the person you decide to give the ball to was shot by a sniper and killed before he had the chance to do anything with it.

TWO _ TIMES in that game, if the Sniper shoots Carr before an incompletion, we win either time.

4 minutes to go, stupid deep ball (which is even stupidly selfish, as it woud have been pass number 23...at least throw a completable ball on the record breaker...)

And 3rd and 2...

So running game fans get off your high horse...I am not saying, 'We should have run the ball cuz it was only two yards...'

I am saying, Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him? As the ball is hiked to Carr on 3rd and 2...he is picked off from the press-box by a 30-06 prior to throwing the ball....

Bills save their last time out and we run 30 more seconds...we win....
or Bills take the last time out, and then don't have the 9 seconds left to win with cuz they were tackled in bounds 4 times...

A team stupid enough to get tackled in bounds 4 times with 1 timeout left, surely gets tackled in bounds twice with no time outs left....

BOTTOM LINE, If Carr downs the ball on 3rd and 2 WE WIN.....

Beyond fear of contradiction!

Is it even fun to watch the game when you can see the future?

 

[gwallaia]

I normally do not second guess play calling, but that was a stupid call Kubiak made on 3rd and 2.