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I've been a Carr fan but if he drops the rock one more time I'm gonna be sick. I don't care about missed blocks, or even if Godzilla drops out of the sky unblocked....Hold on to the rock
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I've been a Carr fan but if he drops the rock one more time I'm gonna be sick. I don't care about missed blocks, or even if Godzilla drops out of the sky unblocked....Hold on to the rock
"and been able to hold on to the ball."
As other posters have pointed out, Carr has had a fumbling problem his entire NFL career--62 fumbles, 65 games.:brickwall
That's really alarming. Once a fumbler always a fumbler IMO. Hopefully I'm wrong. I remember some guy made a ridiculous system on grading QBs with the least mistakes. Carr was #2 on that list...
small hands?
Maybe he doesn't have the monkey fingers needed to wrap around the ball.
I would compare the situation to Warner. Back when he manned the "greatest sho on turf", he had a great line to protect him. Ever since those 2 superbowls, he's been a turnover machine ever since. Our line might just have to simply get better to keep our fumbles down.
To me they are two independent requirements after 4 1/2 years.
1) Carr needs to be better.
2) The line needs to be better.
I'm tired of them being excuses for each other. Time to step up as individuals since we can't as a team.
One would think that he'd be an expert on protecting the ball while being sacked. 200+ sacks in four seasons should have at least taught him that basic lesson.
One would think that he'd be an expert on protecting the ball while being sacked. 200+ sacks in four seasons should have at least taught him that basic lesson.
I would compare the situation to Warner. Back when he manned the "greatest sho on turf", he had a great line to protect him. Ever since those 2 superbowls, he's been a turnover machine ever since. Our line might just have to simply get better to keep our fumbles down.
I wonder what the fumble to sack ratio is. You'd think most of those fumbles would be sacks if he had held on to the ball.
I don't know the answer to this, really, but it piqued my interest enough to go look up a few things. First off, Carr's lost 20 of the 62 fumbles. He's been sacked 228 times. I'm not sure how many of those sacks also resulted in fumbles, but there's definitely some overlap.
I was havin a hard time thinking of any QBs that played behind poor offensive lines and had any success, but there were a couple QBs that played behind some poor teams that had success later in their career. In today's ADHD world, those QBs wouldn't likely be given that shot anymore, but neverhteless ...
Randall Cunningham - His first five years as a starter for the Eagles, he endured 277 sacks and fumbled 57 times. He fumbled only 45 times over the next 10 years of his career.
John Elway - 1990 to 1994 was the worst stretch of Elway's career, with regards to sacks. He was sacked 209 times and fumbled 51 times.
I'm not sure what was going on with their teams during that span, but the rest of their careers turned out OK. I'm not sure too many QBs could have been on this Texans team from 2002 to present, coming in as a rookie, and done any better with the coaching and surrounding team during that time.
This is not intended to exonerate Carr in any way; I'm just saying, maybe there's some hope. Regardless who is at QB back there, they're going to need better protection that what this team has been offering for going on five years now.
Maybe he is an expert. How many of those 200 + sacks led to fumbles? Maybe that is what we should look at.One would think that he'd be an expert on protecting the ball while being sacked. 200+ sacks in four seasons should have at least taught him that basic lesson.
These examples seem to indicate Carr and/or his blockers may turn it around soon. Let's hope.I don't know the answer to this, really, but it piqued my interest enough to go look up a few things. First off, Carr's lost 20 of the 62 fumbles. He's been sacked 228 times. I'm not sure how many of those sacks also resulted in fumbles, but there's definitely some overlap.
I was havin a hard time thinking of any QBs that played behind poor offensive lines and had any success, but there were a couple QBs that played behind some poor teams that had success later in their career. In today's ADHD world, those QBs wouldn't likely be given that shot anymore, but neverhteless ...
Randall Cunningham - His first five years as a starter for the Eagles, he endured 277 sacks and fumbled 57 times. He fumbled only 45 times over the next 10 years of his career.
John Elway - 1990 to 1994 was the worst stretch of Elway's career, with regards to sacks. He was sacked 209 times and fumbled 51 times.
I'm not sure what was going on with their teams during that span, but the rest of their careers turned out OK. I'm not sure too many QBs could have been on this Texans team from 2002 to present, coming in as a rookie, and done any better with the coaching and surrounding team during that time.
This is not intended to exonerate Carr in any way; I'm just saying, maybe there's some hope. Regardless who is at QB back there, they're going to need better protection that what this team has been offering for going on five years now.
....After 66 starts, Carr is still making some of the same mistakes he made on day one. Yes, he was placed in some tough circumstances in his first four years. That was a legitimate alibi. No more.
Coaching and offensive personnel aren't issues. Kubiak and Troy Calhoun are first-rate offensive coaches. Carr has gotten better, too, completing 70.5 percent of his passes, tops in the league. His 94.3 quarterback rating is sixth-best.
He's also (still) doing things that kill a team. His five lost fumbles are tied for the NFL lead, and he has seven turnovers in his last four games. Poor pass protection might be responsible for some of them, but others - like throwing that interception to a receiver with four defenders around him - are on Carr and Carr alone.
Perhaps the most troubling aspect is his lack of pocket presence. When pass protection breaks down, the best quarterbacks have a sense of the chaos around them and are able to move to buy time. Carr doesn't have this sense, and maybe that's something that can't be taught. It was telling that the pass protection seemed to improve once Sage Rosenfels entered Sunday's game.
Rosenfels led three touchdown drives in a stretch of four possessions. This is the thing Carr also hasn't done. Despite an improvement in his personal statistics, the Texans are just 23rd in scoring offense (17.3 points per game)....
....Benching Carr was the first smart thing Kubiak did. It was time to see if it would have an effect. Kubiak wanted to win that game at Tennessee, but I'm guessing he also wanted to see how Carr responded....
...We'll know more Sunday when the Texans go to one of the NFL's most hostile environments against one of its best teams. If Carr's confidence is fragile, the Giants will expose it. (They have 17 sacks in their last four games. Duck, David!)...
I don't know the answer to this, really, but it piqued my interest enough to go look up a few things. First off, Carr's lost 20 of the 62 fumbles. He's been sacked 228 times. I'm not sure how many of those sacks also resulted in fumbles, but there's definitely some overlap.
Good post, man.
Interesting that only 20 of the 62 fumbles were turnovers. That kind of sheds some 'positive' light on it, though, because I was under the [false] impression that those fumble numbers represented turnovers.
And do they count as sacks if the QB fumbles? A buddy of mine was curious about that, as well, and I didn't know the answer.
Yes. If you force a fumble on the QB behind the line of scrimmage it counts as a sack.
And do they count as sacks if the QB fumbles? A buddy of mine was curious about that, as well, and I didn't know the answer.
Yup--Sharper had the ultimate fourfer--sack, forced fumble, fumble recovery and TD. Stat padder.
Yes. If you force a fumble on the QB behind the line of scrimmage it counts as a sack.
Yup--Sharper had the ultimate fourfer--sack, forced fumble, fumble recovery and TD. Stat padder.