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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

thunderkyss said:
It's a process. At the end of the season we'll evaluate the team, assess our needs & make the best decisions we can for the Houston Texans.

I can't sit here & tell you we'll draft a QB in 2024 or 2025, much less tell you who that QB will be before we even make any selections in 2023.
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So if you evaluate and assess the team needs right now, do you not think they need a QB? Right now they’re actually in a position to get one. Can’t say how it will look in the future.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Hey if they are willing to give up Justin Jefferson in a trade package then who are we to stop them?!

The Vikings would make sense as a landing spot for Levis. O’connell and Liam Coen both coached together on the Rams staff and Coen coached Levis so would have inside info on the player.
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They will have to give more than just him. Maybe add their starting center and best defensive lineman
 
Speedy said:
Then what year do you want to draft a QB? And who, and how do you think they'll get where they'll need to be to do so? Ain't no guarantees about anything a year from today.
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I want to draft a QB when there's a QB that's good.

If you draft a QB just because you need a QB, that's how you end up drafting guys like Blaine Gabbert, EJ Manuel, and Kyle Boller. If you convince yourself that a QB is good just because he's the best of his class and you NEED a QB, you end up in QB hell.

In the meantime, we build the best team we can. If there are no QB's that are any good for the next 10 years, then so be it.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I want to draft a QB when there's a QB that's good.

If you draft a QB just because you need a QB, that's how you end up drafting guys like Blaine Gabbert, EJ Manuel, and Kyle Boller. If you convince yourself that a QB is good just because he's the best of his class and you NEED a QB, you end up in QB hell.

In the meantime, we build the best team we can. If there are no QB's that are any good for the next 10 years, then so be it.
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CJ and Young are pretty darn good.
 
Speedy said:
So if you evaluate and assess the team needs right now, do you not think they need a QB? Right now they’re actually in a position to get one. Can’t say how it will look in the future.
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I see the team with major fundamental issues. We need to block better. We need to tackle better. I am not opposed to drafting a QB. Just don’t see these QBs as viable options at 1.2 or 1.12
 
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The Texans aren't going anywhere (like the playoffs for instance) for a few years. The team has been depleted of talent and needs restocking at pretty much all position groups. And they need stability in the organization which hasn't been shown for a while, if ever.
 
Thorn said:
The Texans aren't going anywhere (like the playoffs for instance) for a few years. The team has been depleted of talent and needs restocking at pretty much all position groups. And they need stability in the organization which hasn't been shown for a while, if ever.
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Ehh, I could see a scenario they win the division this year. There defense is going to be much improved and its entirely possible BY or CJ in the right system can have great years.

Houston's offense alone, has what appears to be a very good OL, TE, RB committee. That is a big deal when your defense has added some great pieces towards run blocking and hired what many consider the best defensive coaching prospect.

I am more bullish on the Texans in this division which is a dumpster fire.
 
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/24/fmia-peter-king-mock-draft-bryce-young-panthers/

1. CAROLINA: Bryce Young, QB, Alabama.
2. HOUSTON: Tyree Wilson, edge rusher, Texas Tech.

I’ve gone back and forth, forth and back, on this pick and this slot. In the end, I think two things: One, GM Nick Caserio trained under Bill Belichick and learned that just because you have a crying need at a position, you don’t force yourself to choose a player you don’t love in order to fill that hole, because you may end up needing to fill the same hole again two years down the road. Two: The Texans might see Wilson filling the mold of Nick Bosa, a difference-making quick-twitch rusher, more than Will Anderson. Coach DeMeco Ryans loved the impact of Bosa in San Francisco and knows that, aside from quarterback, the hugest hole on his team is at pass-rusher. The rush depth chart for the Texans is putrid. But obviously this pick would be a vote against C.J. Stroud as much as a vote for Wilson. Things to watch for here: Is there a team, even with all the smoke about Stroud, that would want to trade up for him with Houston or Arizona? And would the Texans risk passing on a quarterback here or with their second pick in the round (12th)? Seems incredible to think Houston might exit the top 10 without a quarterback, flawed though they are. One other point to make here is that Anderson would win over Wilson—who also is recovering from a foot injury—in a vote of 31 GMs if the question was, Who’s the better pro prospect—Anderson or Wilson?

3. TENNESSEE (trade with Arizona): C.J. Stroud, quarterback, Ohio State.
4. INDIANAPOLIS: Will Levis, quarterback, Kentucky.
5. SEATTLE: Jalen Carter, defensive tackle, Georgia.
6. DETROIT: Will Anderson, edge rusher, Alabama.
7. LAS VEGAS: Devon Witherspoon, cornerback, Illinois.
8. ATLANTA: Bijan Robinson, running back, Texas.
9. CHICAGO: Paris Johnson Jr., tackle, Ohio State.
10. PHILADELPHIA: Nolan Smith, edge rusher, Georgia.
11. ARIZONA (trade with Tennessee): Christian Gonzalez, cornerback, Oregon.
12. HOUSTON: Hendon Hooker, quarterback, Tennessee.

Guess which AFC South team has been doing work on Hooker in the last week or so? A clue: It’s the team that’s passing on C.J. Stroud. Houston has a surplus of picks and no long-term quarterback, and the Texans simply couldn’t come out of having seven picks in the top 50 of the ’22 and ’23 drafts without one of them being a quarterback. Imagine the draft actually falls this way. The AFC South would have four quarterbacks picked in the top 12 (Trevor Lawrence, Stroud, Levis, Hooker) of recent drafts, and all under 26. For the Texans, DeMeco Ryans prided himself on adding teachers to his coaching staff, and offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik and QB coach Jerrod Johnson will be assigned their most important student, as he rehabs for part or most of this season from a 2022 ACL injury, if this pick goes down.

13. N.Y. JETS: Broderick Jones, tackle, Georgia.
14. NEW ENGLAND: Peter Skoronski, tackle/guard, Northwestern.
15. GREEN BAY: Dalton Kincaid, tight end, Utah.
16. WASHINGTON: Brian Branch, safety, Alabama.
17. PITTSBURGH: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, wide receiver, Ohio State.
18. DETROIT: Deonte Banks, cornerback, Maryland.
19. TAMPA BAY: Darnell Wright, tackle, Tennessee.
20. SEATTLE: Zay Flowers, wide receiver, Boston College.
21. L.A. CHARGERS: Jordan Addison, wide receiver, USC.
22. BALTIMORE: Emmanuel Forbes, cornerback, Mississippi State.
23. MINNESOTA: Anthony Richardson, quarterback, Florida.
24. JACKSONVILLE: Lukas Van Ness, edge rusher, Iowa.
25. N.Y. GIANTS: Michael Mayer, tight end, Notre Dame.
26. DALLAS: Joey Porter Jr., cornerback, Penn State.
27. BUFFALO: Josh Downs, wide receiver, North Carolina.
28. CINCINNATI: Luke Musgrave, tight end, Oregon State.
29. NEW ORLEANS: Myles Murphy, defensive end, Clemson.
30. PHILADELPHIA: Jahmyr Gibbs, running back, Alabama.
31. KANSAS CITY: O’Cyrus Torrence, guard, Florida.
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We don’t know what the Texans are going to do or how their season will play out. Whst we do know, is they’re playing in the weakest division in the NFL. We’ve also seen the Bengals hit on a few of their draft picks, mainly QB and turn their shot show into playoffs contenders.
Only time will tell
 
Texansballer74 said:
Why would Caserio do this when the Vikings have the 23 pick and doesn’t even have a 2nd round pick this year. That would be dumb AF.
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Yea but we can take another first and 2nd from them the following year also. Someone needs to look and post that trade chart, lol, I’m at work right now


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Texansballer74 said:
We don’t know what the Texans are going to do or how their season will play out. Whst we do know, is they’re playing in the weakest division in the NFL. We’ve also seen the Bengals hit on a few of their draft picks, mainly QB and turn their shot show into playoffs contenders.
Only time will tell
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We already know what the Texans are, and somewhat what Caserio is, but DeMeco we have not yet seen in full blown HC mode. If the Texans are truly to succeed, then DeMeco must somehow do what the Texans organization and previous GMs and HCs haven't.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
We don’t know what the Texans are going to do or how their season will play out. Whst we do know, is they’re playing in the weakest division in the NFL. We’ve also seen the Bengals hit on a few of their draft picks, mainly QB and turn their shot show into playoffs contenders.
Only time will tell
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We also saw the 49ers last year with Brock Purdy nearly make it to the super bowl.

Part of the package we got with DeMeco was his potential bias towards the defensive side of the ball.

For what it's worth, I don't think the Texans will swap picks with Minnesota. Too many good defenders to be passed on.
 
Thorn said:
The Texans aren't going anywhere (like the playoffs for instance) for a few years. The team has been depleted of talent and needs restocking at pretty much all position groups. And they need stability in the organization which hasn't been shown for a while, if ever.
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Thorn said:
We already know what the Texans are, and somewhat what Caserio is, but DeMeco we have not yet seen in full blown HC mode. If the Texans are truly to succeed, then DeMeco must somehow do what the Texans organization and previous GMs and HCs haven't.
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If we see the Texans trading a bunch of draft picks to move up a couple of times in the draft, that could be our first indicator that things are like they've always been.
 
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Texian said:
If we see the Texans trading draft picks to move up a couple of times in the draft, that could be our first indicator that things are like they've always been.
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Would not be upset if they traded back from both 2 and 12 to increase Day 1/2 draft picks. But I also know Nick has so far been a trade-up guy so don't expect this to happen.
 
banned1976 said:
We also saw the 49ers last year with Brock Purdy nearly make it to the super bowl.

Part of the package we got with DeMeco was his potential bias towards the defensive side of the ball.

For what it's worth, I don't think the Texans will swap picks with Minnesota. Too many good defenders to be passed on.
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They were able to do that because the team was built up a hot minute ago. And they also have one of the best offensive minded head coaches in the NFL.

I surely hope so, because if they did, everyone will have a field day at the Texans expense.
 
Texansballer74 said:
CJ and Young are pretty darn good.
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In your opinion.

CJ would be the 3rd QB taken in next years draft. That certainly doesn't scream top 10 QB to me. There are only 2 QB's that have top 10 QB ability in this draft. IMHO, Richardson and Levis. Levis is the only QB in this draft that's run the system Ryans/Slowik want to run. With that said, give me Hooker, but I will support any QB drafted.. Will you, even if 1-2 is Levis?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I want to draft a QB when there's a QB that's good.

If you draft a QB just because you need a QB, that's how you end up drafting guys like Blaine Gabbert, EJ Manuel, and Kyle Boller. If you convince yourself that a QB is good just because he's the best of his class and you NEED a QB, you end up in QB hell.

In the meantime, we build the best team we can. If there are no QB's that are any good for the next 10 years, then so be it.
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And who decides what QBs are good?
 
steelbtexan said:
In your opinion.

CJ would be the 3rd QB taken in next years draft. That certainly doesn't scream top 10 QB to me. There are only 2 QB's that have top 10 QB ability in this draft. IMHO, Richardson and Levis. Levis is the only QB in this draft that's run the system Ryans/Slowik want to run. With that said, give me Hooker, but I will support any QB drafted.. Will you, even if 1-2 is Levis?
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Not just my opinion. And the proof is on tape. Two years worth.
 
corry said:
Ehh, I could see a scenario they win the division this year. There defense is going to be much improved and its entirely possible BY or CJ in the right system can have great years.

Houston's offense alone, has what appears to be a very good OL, TE, RB committee. That is a big deal when your defense has added some great pieces towards run blocking and hired what many consider the best defensive coaching prospect.

I am more bullish on the Texans in this division which is a dumpster fire.
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Methinks you're looking through twisted rose lens glasses. Titans and Colts may very well suck, but the Jaguars are going to be good. And if the improbable happens and they do win the division, what then? They are not going to compete with KC, Buffalo, Bengals or even Miami or Jets. It'll be a wasted year... again
 
JB said:
Methinks you're looking through twisted rose lens glasses. Titans and Colts may very well suck, but the Jaguars are going to be good. And if the improbable happens and they do win the division, what then? They are not going to compete with KC, Buffalo, Bengals or even Miami or Jets. It'll be a wasted year... again
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Jags had several average players over perform last year. As I mentioned, the division.

I don't think I am talking rose colored glasses.

They have done enough to compete for a division if they hit on the QB. That's not saying much if you expect Green, Stingley, and Pitre to also improve.
 
TexansBull said:
I am interested to know what you think the Texans are going to draft. No judgement for answering. Thanks.
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What do I think the Texans will do?
1.2 Will Anderson - DeMeco goes with the Alumni pick. Anderson will be DeMeco's Bosa. (could possibly trade back.)

Will Anderson
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span40-yard dash10-yard split20-yard split
6 ft 3+1⁄2 in
(1.92 m)		253 lb
(115 kg)		33+7⁄8 in
(0.86 m)		9+7⁄8 in
(0.25 m)		4.60 s1.61 s2.64 s
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Nick Bosa
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span40-yard dash10-yard split20-yard split20-yard shuttleThree-cone drillVertical jumpBroad jumpBench pressWonderlic
6 ft 3+3⁄4 in
(1.92 m)		266 lb
(121 kg)		33 in
(0.84 m)		10+3⁄4 in
(0.27 m)		4.79 s1.62 s2.76 s4.14 s7.10 s33.5 in
(0.85 m)		9 ft 8 in
(2.95 m)		29 reps23

1.12 Jaxon Smith-Njigba (Cooks replacement and Slowik's pick, also fits with Texans taking an injured player).
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1650310805814927362

The teams at the top of the draft, though, aren’t quite as much, and that’s thanks to the makeup of a class that’ll have GMs in its upper reaches holding their … breath as they turn in their cards. There’s a lot to like, sure. But there’s plenty to worry about, too, and that’s from the top of the first round all the way to the bottom.

“If you have 15 first-round grades, then the class sucks,” said one general manager Saturday. “And I got less than 15 this year.”

On top of that, the landscape of this draft’s blue-chip tier is covered with potential landmines. After dozens and dozens of calls and text exchanges with GMs, coaches and scouts the last few weeks, a few themes emerged.

• Most teams I’ve talked to believe that Alabama’s Bryce Young and Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud are the best, and easiest-to-project, quarterbacks, though each comes with some perceived limitations. Taking Florida’s Anthony Richardson or Kentucky’s Will Levis, conversely, comes with a lot of risk, but also potential reward on the back end. (We’ll have a lot more on the quarterbacks in our annual coaches-on-quarterbacks breakdown on Tuesday). So which QB teams have atop their boards will vary. There’s no completely clean prospect here.

Houston Texans
First round: No. 2, No. 12
Total picks: 12
Needs: QB, DE, WR
What you need to know: A month ago, it appeared to be a fait accompli that a quarterback would go at 2. Not so much anymore. I’ve heard DeMeco Ryans is amenable to the idea of taking a defensive player there, and that, if that train of thought wins out, it’d be Anderson or Wilson at that spot, and potentially a quarterback at No. 12 (Anthony Richardson?) or in a trade up from that second first-rounder of Houston’s. Anderson fits in that he has Alabama ties to Ryans, and in that GM Nick Caserio has a couple decades of experience plucking from Nick Saban’s programs. On the flip side, Wilson might be a better scheme fit for Ryans, with a higher ceiling. Either way, it does sound as if there’s been healthy debate on whether or not to take a quarterback at No. 2, with the argument for it obvious, and the argument going the other way being that you aren’t going to get an elite edge at 12. We’ll see what happens.
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Speedy said:
So if you evaluate and assess the team needs right now, do you not think they need a QB? Right now they’re actually in a position to get one. Can’t say how it will look in the future.
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Yes, we need a QB.

If you draft by positions that you need, then you end up screwed.

Speedy said:
And who decides what QBs are good?
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The people evaluating the talent.

If the Texans think that Stroud is a mid to high starting level of QB, then they should take him at #2.

Some people think he is and some people don't.

You can't let your needs color your evaluations of the players or you'll end up making a bad choice.

Personally, from everything I've read, heard, and seen, both Young and Stroud have flaws that would have cost them first round draft status in years that had true franchise QBs available. I'd either take a defensive player or trade back. I would have no problem trading with the Colts and let them take Stroud or Levis or whomever because I don't think Stroud or those other guys are going to be very good.

But it's not up to me. The Texans have to get this right. If they're not sold on these QBs, then they should take someone they are sold on and/or trade back.

I'll be fine with whomever the Texans pick. I'll be rooting for that player to succeed because I want the Texans to succeed.
 
Texian said:
What do I think the Texans will do?
1.2 Will Anderson - DeMeco goes with the Alumni pick. Anderson will be DeMeco's Bosa. (could possibly trade back.)

Will Anderson
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span40-yard dash10-yard split20-yard split
6 ft 3+1⁄2 in
(1.92 m)		253 lb
(115 kg)		33+7⁄8 in
(0.86 m)		9+7⁄8 in
(0.25 m)		4.60 s1.61 s2.64 s
vs

Nick Bosa
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span40-yard dash10-yard split20-yard split20-yard shuttleThree-cone drillVertical jumpBroad jumpBench pressWonderlic
6 ft 3+3⁄4 in
(1.92 m)		266 lb
(121 kg)		33 in
(0.84 m)		10+3⁄4 in
(0.27 m)		4.79 s1.62 s2.76 s4.14 s7.10 s33.5 in
(0.85 m)		9 ft 8 in
(2.95 m)		29 reps23

1.12 Jaxon Smith-Njigba (Cooks replacement and Slowik's pick).
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But some say Anderson is just a 3-4 OLB
 
corry said:
Jags had several average players over perform last year. As I mentioned, the division.

I don't think I am talking rose colored glasses.

They have done enough to compete for a division if they hit on the QB. That's not saying much if you expect Green, Stingley, and Pitre to also improve.
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Jags went 4-2 in the division, so not like they swept it 6-0.

They also went 6-1 after their bye week against teams that were a collective .549 and two of those wins were against playoff teams. The Texans were the only bad team they played in this stretch.

They then proceeded to win a playoff game against a Chargers team that was riding their own 4-1 streak into the playoffs. Lastly, they were within a field goal in the 4th quarter against the eventual SB champs. They were clearly a much improved team the last nine games they played.

I respect them for what they accomplished last year. Pretty sure we would have gladly taken that level of performance from the Texans and considered it a trajectory for bigger and better things.
 
Texian said:
What do I think the Texans will do?
1.2 Will Anderson - DeMeco goes with the Alumni pick. Anderson will be DeMeco's Bosa. (could possibly trade back.)


1.12 Jaxon Smith-Njigba (Cooks replacement and Slowik's pick, also fits with Texans taking an injured player).
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I think you are correct.
1.2 Will Anderson
1.12 Jaxon Smith Njigba

I also think they trade back up into the late 1st for their QB. Maybe even to 23 with the Vikings to choose Hooker.
 
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