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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
- Thread starter gwallaia
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I mean good lord. Some people LOVE to avoid those facts. Defenses are stronger, and faster in the league than in college. Game plans are much different. So no, the amount of time to throw is not the same and it’s hilarious you want to cover you eyes like you are hiding from the boogeyman.
Your statement that he had a lot of time compared to others is not fact. He was under pressure a damn lot. You didn't watch Alabama football
I never said it was the same. But Alabama's OL sucked in 2022 and you'll never convince me otherwise. Good Lord you are mis-representing the facts to promote your own agenda. Stop it!
Hottoddie
Veteran
This comment would cause me to seriously pause any idea of drafting him. He's not taking into account that the defensive coaches & players are also studying his habits & tendencies. He just stated that even if he can't see his receiver & the coverage, he's just going to throw the ball where he knows his receiver is supposed to be. How's he even going to know what shoulder to throw it over if he can't see them? That sounds like an interception waiting to happen.
In college, he played teams with maybe 1-4 NFL starters & a few backups. In the NFL, he'll be going up against 11 cream of the crop players on every play of every game. The coordinators will change up the defensive alignments for every game & even for plays within the game.
If the Texans select him (assuming he gets past Carolina) I'll root for him, but I'll cringe every time he throws the ball to a spot where he believes the receiver is at.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texansballer74
The Marine
How did that red flag work out for the Giants and Eli Manning.
Like I stated before, we’re so quick to crap on our own.
You’re talking about the Mannings. Does it make it right? No. However, that kind of maneuver doesn’t happen often as publicly as that did.
zshawn10
All Pro
NFL Draft Rumors: Cowboys, Seahawks, and C.J. Stroud News
The latest NFL Draft rumors focus on news surrounding the Cowboys and Seahawks' first-round plans, the QB carousel, and more.
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
All nfl qbs throw to the spot. They don't see a guy open, they process and anticipate their player reading the coverage the same.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
You do know that no prospect, even a highly rated prospect isn't finished growing and maturing, right?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
You know why that poster is so against Stroud don't you.
If I truly believed this I would have no issues taking Levis at 1.2
I don't want to draft a QB this year. I'd take Gonzales at 1.2 if it were me. But if Hannah & Cal decide we are taking a QB in the 1st, it's going to be Levis. Even if I have to take him at 1.2
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I'm not arguing here. I just thought this was an interesting point. I'm not sure exactly how they calculated this. I would expect scramblers and people with good blocking to be able to take longer.
Time to throw:
Stetson Bennett - 2.53s
Will Levis - 2.58s
Hendon Hooker - 2.6s
Jake Haener - 2.67s
C.J. Stroud - 2.92s
Bryce Young - 3.02s
Anthony Richardson - 3.18s
Clayton Tune - 3.2s
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I would love a top defensive player at 1.2. I don't think that's what we'll get though.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Very apparent!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
From Understanding NFL NextGenerationStats:
Time to Throw
Of the Next Gen Passing Stats, Time to Throw (TT) is the most predictable from one year to the next. The stat itself is self-explanatory—Time to Throw measures the average amount of time elapsed from the time of snap to throw on every pass attempt for a passer (sacks excluded).
While TT does not have a strong direct relationship with fantasy points scored, there are some indirect fantasy implications. Consider the players with the highest and lowest average TT over the four years of Next Gen data.
Highest Average Time to Throw, 2016–2019
| Player | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | Average TT |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tyrod Taylor | 3.13 | 3.02 | 3.08 | ||
| Josh Allen | 3.22 | 2.85 | 3.04 | ||
| Lamar Jackson | 3.10 | 2.92 | 3.01 | ||
| Deshaun Watson | 3.10 | 3.01 | 2.82 | 2.98 | |
| Sam Darnold | 2.91 | 2.92 | 2.92 |
| Player | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | Average TT |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Drew Brees | 2.42 | 2.58 | 2.59 | 2.57 | 2.54 |
| Ben Roethlisberger | 2.59 | 2.56 | 2.55 | 2.57 | |
| Derek Carr | 2.49 | 2.49 | 2.55 | 2.82 | 2.59 |
| Ryan Fitzpatrick | 2.45 | 2.66 | 2.65 | 2.61 | 2.59 |
| Philip Rivers | 2.65 | 2.61 | 2.62 | 2.63 | 2.63 |
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Nick Caserio says Texans are willing to trade with other AFC South teams
April 21, 2023 4:07 pm CT
Maybe the Indianapolis Colts could get the quarterback they want in the 2023 NFL draft.
General manager Nick Caserio told “Payne & Pendergast” on Sports Radio 610 [KILT-AM] April 20 that Houston Texans have no philosophy against trading with other teams in the AFC South.
“We’ll trade with anybody,” Caserio said. “Just philosophically, if it’s the best thing, if it matches up, and you feel comfortable making the trade, then we’ll go ahead and do it.”
Caserio even referenced how good business sense overcame a sense of rivalry even when he was the New England Patriots’ director of player personnel from 2008-20 after having served in a variety of roles since 2001.
“We made some trades in our division even going back when I was in New England,” said Caserio. “So, if you start to take that philosophy, again, it’s a little bit narrow minded, so, again, ultimately, if it’s the best thing for your team, then you’ll deal with whatever comes along with it. So, you can’t eliminate anything, and I would say we’re pretty open-minded organizationally. I don’t want to speak for anybody else, but I’d say we’re definitely open-minded, we’ll always listen. We’re not going to eliminate anything.”
The Colts are quarterback-needy and picking No. 4 overall. So are the Las Vegas Raiders (No. 7 overall) and even the Tennessee Titans (No. 11 overall). All these teams would have to do to move ahead of the Colts would be to work out a deal with the Arizona Cardinals at No. 3 overall.
Of course, such a trade with Houston and the Colts would only work if the Texans didn’t want a quarterback at No. 2 and were confident the Cardinals weren’t going to take either Texas Tech defensive end Tyree Wilson or Alabama defensive end Will Anderson with their own selection.
Said Caserio: “I think that’s sometimes a narrative that gets painted in whether it’s dealing with teams, dealing with different people, ‘well, they wouldn’t do that because.’ Well, not necessarily, so, when you’re in this league long enough, you’re ultimately going to deal with people all across the way and if it doesn’t work out the way you hoped initially, you’re going to have an interaction with somebody else. So, there’s no ill will. It’s all about business and it’s all about making good decisions.”
In the Caserio era, the closest the Texans have come to working with a divisional foe was in 2021 when Houston traded their 2021 fifth- and seventh-round selections to the Los Angeles Rams for No. 170 overall in Round 6, which at one time was possessed by the Jacksonville Jaguars.
April 21, 2023 4:07 pm CT
Maybe the Indianapolis Colts could get the quarterback they want in the 2023 NFL draft.
General manager Nick Caserio told “Payne & Pendergast” on Sports Radio 610 [KILT-AM] April 20 that Houston Texans have no philosophy against trading with other teams in the AFC South.
“We’ll trade with anybody,” Caserio said. “Just philosophically, if it’s the best thing, if it matches up, and you feel comfortable making the trade, then we’ll go ahead and do it.”
Caserio even referenced how good business sense overcame a sense of rivalry even when he was the New England Patriots’ director of player personnel from 2008-20 after having served in a variety of roles since 2001.
“We made some trades in our division even going back when I was in New England,” said Caserio. “So, if you start to take that philosophy, again, it’s a little bit narrow minded, so, again, ultimately, if it’s the best thing for your team, then you’ll deal with whatever comes along with it. So, you can’t eliminate anything, and I would say we’re pretty open-minded organizationally. I don’t want to speak for anybody else, but I’d say we’re definitely open-minded, we’ll always listen. We’re not going to eliminate anything.”
The Colts are quarterback-needy and picking No. 4 overall. So are the Las Vegas Raiders (No. 7 overall) and even the Tennessee Titans (No. 11 overall). All these teams would have to do to move ahead of the Colts would be to work out a deal with the Arizona Cardinals at No. 3 overall.
Of course, such a trade with Houston and the Colts would only work if the Texans didn’t want a quarterback at No. 2 and were confident the Cardinals weren’t going to take either Texas Tech defensive end Tyree Wilson or Alabama defensive end Will Anderson with their own selection.
Said Caserio: “I think that’s sometimes a narrative that gets painted in whether it’s dealing with teams, dealing with different people, ‘well, they wouldn’t do that because.’ Well, not necessarily, so, when you’re in this league long enough, you’re ultimately going to deal with people all across the way and if it doesn’t work out the way you hoped initially, you’re going to have an interaction with somebody else. So, there’s no ill will. It’s all about business and it’s all about making good decisions.”
In the Caserio era, the closest the Texans have come to working with a divisional foe was in 2021 when Houston traded their 2021 fifth- and seventh-round selections to the Los Angeles Rams for No. 170 overall in Round 6, which at one time was possessed by the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Remind me why you are for him.
Porky
Hall of Fame
so a can’t miss punter is a better pick at 1.2 then a QB with a high ceiling but lower floor?
I think in a vacuum yes. But you have to account for positional importance, value, number of good QB prospects in an average year vs. the number of defensive prospects, etc.
In short, it’s a bogus comparison.
A punter? Come on man. Do you think Micah Parsons is more valuable than Davis Mills? If so, then your argument is moot
Norg? Did you hack Porky's account?
Major reading comprehension issues here.
He's saying Will Anderson is objectively the better prospect by far. The QBs in this class are riding a wave of need & desperation.
I agree. Even if he walked on water there is no way a 5'10 less than 200lbs QB can be a top 15 prospect.
Throw conventional out the window. "Modernize" or whatever you want to call it. But objectonably 5'10" sub 200lbs is not anywhere close to a legit 1st round QB.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I've tried but I just can't make myself be okay with any of the quarterbacks at #2. I haven't been able to move off of Anderson at two. I'll be disappointed if it isn't him or a trade back for a LOT of compensation.
I wouldn't be terribly upset if it was Wilson or maybe Gonzales, but otherwise I'm with you
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I've posted many times why I think Stroud is a high end prospect at qb. I haven't wavered. Now if you want to critique him because of his agent affiliation, that's on you.
Agent affiliation AND the fact he wasn’t good under pressure at the collegiate level.
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What he needs to improve: We just talked about how good Stroud is when kept clean in the pocket (71.7% completion rate, 35 touchdowns, 93.4 PFF grade). Well, he is basically the polar opposite under pressure (41.3% completion rate, six touchdowns, 42.0 PFF grade).
The same could be said for most quarterbacks when facing pressure, but Stroud is particularly bad when the pocket collapses. He ranks 97th in PFF grade out of 144 qualifying QBs when under pressure.
The same could be said for most quarterbacks when facing pressure, but Stroud is particularly bad when the pocket collapses. He ranks 97th in PFF grade out of 144 qualifying QBs when under pressure.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Maybe @Lucky can forward you that lengthy article about the qb breakdown that McShay and Paolin does every year. Of course, you probably won't like it because it goes against your perception of Stroud. There are no perfect qbs coming out of college or playing as we speak or in the past. Look at Lawrence as a rookie or Peyton who also had thr reputation of not playing well under pressure. One would think that if Stroud played so poorly under pressure that dcs would pressure him more. He played the toughest defensive schedule in college football last year, you can look that up and played very,very well. Vs UGA, everyone wanted to see if Georgia defense was as good as advertised or Ohio State oline is. How did he perform vs Georgia or does that not count?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
FB Marshall, known for their track program just ran the 2nd fast 4x100 relay ever. Achane is from there also.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Then what year do you want to draft a QB? And who, and how do you think they'll get where they'll need to be to do so? Ain't no guarantees about anything a year from today.
It's a process. At the end of the season we'll evaluate the team, assess our needs & make the best decisions we can for the Houston Texans.
I can't sit here & tell you we'll draft a QB in 2024 or 2025, much less tell you who that QB will be before we even make any selections in 2023.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
His only time lost to injury was 2 games last November. The only identification report was a generic "foot" injury. From what I've been able to discern is that he suffered a grade I Achilles tendinopathy, something that is all too common for running athletes that perform sudden starts and stops (as seen in kick and punt returners as well as running backs). The game in which he returned, he rushed for a career best 215 yds on 38 carries and scored a pair of touchdowns.
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How does Devon Achane's speed compare to current NFL players?
ByJEFF TARPLEY Jan 27, 9:52 AM
NCAA.com took a look recently at how the fastest players in the National Football League compare with track and field athletes . There's no way to make a direct comparison for the most part unless football players have run track or run versus those athletes in a meet. There are indirect comparisons in which athletes are compared in how fast they run in miles per hour from track times (both forty yard dashes and track meets themselves).
For example, some of the fastest times in the 100 meters this year in the NCAA range from 10.00 to 10.76 seconds which translates into a speed of 24.3 to 26.2 miles per hour. In the 2022 National Football league combine, the five fastest times ranged from 4.23 to 4.33 seconds [Achade ran a 4.32 at the Combine] which correlates to 24.1 to 25.1 miles per hour.
However, a question remains as to how would a real track athlete fare in the league. Former Oregon wideout Devon Allen was a finalist in the 110 hurdles at the 2022 World Championships and joined the Philadelphia Eagles in the summer of 2022. This was six years after his last time on a football field and his time away from the game played a role in the fact that he didn't make the franchise's final cut. In the end, Allen was still more runner than footballer.
Now, it looks like a real track athlete is about to hit the league in Texas A&M running back and return specialist Devon Achane. Achane qualified for the 2022 NCAA Division I outdoor championships and ran a 10.48 second 100 meters in the national semifinals. Not only that, Achane's speed carries over to the football field. On the gridiron, Achane was clocked at 22.2 mph on a 96 yard kickoff return for a touchdown versus Alabama in 2021 which ended up helping the Aggies come from behind to beat the then top ranked Tide. This compares favorably with some of the top speeds that NFL players have shown off in recent seasons as players like Tyreek Hill have been timed at 23.24 miles per hour during games.
It will be interesting to watch Achane transition into the league given his background and ability to generate big plays no matter where he lines up. However, Achane went over 1,000 yards rushing for the Aggies this past season not just because of his breakaway speed but perhaps even moreso to other attributes like his balance, quick feet, and ability to press the line of scrimmage behind his blockers. He also proved to be a capable pass catcher out of the backfield and probably will see action not just as an outlet at the next level but also as someone who can go in motion and run past a safety or linebacker on a pass route.
If Achane can take the league by storm with his speed, then you may see more dual sport athletes like him get additional opportunities to prove their worth that others would not have had the chance to do so.
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How does Devon Achane's speed compare to current NFL players?
ByJEFF TARPLEY Jan 27, 9:52 AM
NCAA.com took a look recently at how the fastest players in the National Football League compare with track and field athletes . There's no way to make a direct comparison for the most part unless football players have run track or run versus those athletes in a meet. There are indirect comparisons in which athletes are compared in how fast they run in miles per hour from track times (both forty yard dashes and track meets themselves).
For example, some of the fastest times in the 100 meters this year in the NCAA range from 10.00 to 10.76 seconds which translates into a speed of 24.3 to 26.2 miles per hour. In the 2022 National Football league combine, the five fastest times ranged from 4.23 to 4.33 seconds [Achade ran a 4.32 at the Combine] which correlates to 24.1 to 25.1 miles per hour.
However, a question remains as to how would a real track athlete fare in the league. Former Oregon wideout Devon Allen was a finalist in the 110 hurdles at the 2022 World Championships and joined the Philadelphia Eagles in the summer of 2022. This was six years after his last time on a football field and his time away from the game played a role in the fact that he didn't make the franchise's final cut. In the end, Allen was still more runner than footballer.
Now, it looks like a real track athlete is about to hit the league in Texas A&M running back and return specialist Devon Achane. Achane qualified for the 2022 NCAA Division I outdoor championships and ran a 10.48 second 100 meters in the national semifinals. Not only that, Achane's speed carries over to the football field. On the gridiron, Achane was clocked at 22.2 mph on a 96 yard kickoff return for a touchdown versus Alabama in 2021 which ended up helping the Aggies come from behind to beat the then top ranked Tide. This compares favorably with some of the top speeds that NFL players have shown off in recent seasons as players like Tyreek Hill have been timed at 23.24 miles per hour during games.
It will be interesting to watch Achane transition into the league given his background and ability to generate big plays no matter where he lines up. However, Achane went over 1,000 yards rushing for the Aggies this past season not just because of his breakaway speed but perhaps even moreso to other attributes like his balance, quick feet, and ability to press the line of scrimmage behind his blockers. He also proved to be a capable pass catcher out of the backfield and probably will see action not just as an outlet at the next level but also as someone who can go in motion and run past a safety or linebacker on a pass route.
If Achane can take the league by storm with his speed, then you may see more dual sport athletes like him get additional opportunities to prove their worth that others would not have had the chance to do so.
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zshawn10
All Pro
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Please let this be the case. I want Levis as far away from this team as possible. I hate to fall that far back, but we still have #12 and we can still target a QB with the Viking pick, possibly even Hooker at 33.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
...another red flag for Richardson. That much time in the pocket and still chucking plenty of INT's. Buyer beware.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Hey if they are willing to give up Justin Jefferson in a trade package then who are we to stop them?!
The Vikings would make sense as a landing spot for Levis. O’connell and Liam Coen both coached together on the Rams staff and Coen coached Levis so would have inside info on the player.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Draft is still at the end of the week, who says it has to be Minnesota?.. Doesn't this create more value and lets the rest of the QB needy teams know that if they want to trade up, They have to negotiate with us first, not Arizona. Nick Caserio could end up in a bidding war for that pick.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Why would Caserio do this when the Vikings have the 23 pick and doesn’t even have a 2nd round pick this year. That would be dumb AF.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
They would have to throw in a package that includes a young core player or two or three. No fault on the Texans for listening (and asking for Jefferson).