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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Dude is an athlete right now. Question is can he become a QB. He might, he might not. But the odds are pretty good with Steichen imo. If Panthers take CJ who will be a fine QB…but questionable considering the haul given up…Bryce falls right into our lap and he will be the best QB in this draft imo and it’s who I would take at 1.1. We all have our opinions, and I have yet to waver on that. Only thing I’m watching for is any news on the shoulder.
Well said, agreed. I think Carolina takes Stroud or Richardson. Indy will take Richardson with Steichen as the HC if he gets to them. An interesting tweet FWIW—both Stroud and Richardson fit this M.O. I think Young will be there for Houston.

 
People honestly seem to be stuck on something that happened 20 years ago (Carr vs. Peppers).

The biggest hole is also the most important position on the team. Filling it with a broken down glorified backup QB in Jimmy G and maybe a project player later in the draft is just puzzling. People are unironically floating Andy Dalton or more Davis Mills. :toropalm:
 
Another knock on Jimmy is he can’t stay healthy.
That’s exactly what I mean by not being available come playoff time. Either hurt or out completely.
I really don’t understand why you don’t want a rookie quarterback on this team. You draft him and let the new regime coach him up. We don’t even know what type of team we have right now, mainly because of the new coaching regime and new offensive/defensive philosophy.
That’s exactly what I mean. We don’t know what we have. Let them build a team around a veteran QB, the coach on the field, then get a QB. I don’t like the coach on the field and the team trying to learn at the same time.

I’d rather the identity be established and we’re not trying to figure out if the problem is the QB or the OL, the QB or the WR, the QB or the RB
 
Dude is an athlete right now. Question is can he become a QB.
That’s your daddy’s NFL. I bet the question teams are asking is “can we build a winning team with him.”

I bet it’s more than one thinking that way now. I can’t imagine Houston being one of them
 
That’s your daddy’s NFL. I bet the question teams are asking is “can we build a winning team with him.”

I bet it’s more than one thinking that way now. I can’t imagine Houston being one of them

Has there been a change in the plans to employ a WCO ?
 
Last parting shot of the right, but I can't resist. Have been fascinated by the Bears/Panthers trade all night... I just find it hilarious the Panthers gave up a huge haul for the #1 overall pick, and nobody knows who it's going to be lol. The majority think it's for Stroud, but then Carolina gives up their best WR and picks, so they have no chance of drafting an surefire WR replacement (counting on FA replacement?). Some think the Panthers panicked and are going all-in on Richardson (Newton redux). Other think Bryce is the guy... Imagine giving up this type of draft capital when you don't even have a clear consensus. Strange!
WRs are there at 39 and 93. I think Tepper got caught up in "I gotta have.." as did the Browns. Now if Caserio can fuel fire of a couple others.
 
That explains it! That "chip" was so large and heavy, it significantly bumped his weight at the Combine! It also makes it easier for him to drop back to his normal playing weight. :D

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That explains it! That "chip" was so large and heavy, it significantly bumped his weight at the Combine! It also makes it easier for him to drop back to his normal playing weight. :D

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hey doctor leave those bricks alone..

misquoting an old rock band
 
Would you consider aquiring a center, and maybe a guard who are athletic and nimble - Garrett Bradbury and/or, say Dalton Risner, for our new ZBS ?
Good question, one for new Texan assistant directors of personnel James Liipfert and Matt Bazirgan? Think they will try to address as many needs as possible in free agency first so focus on draft can be bpa. Personally be happy with both your targets to install continuity to offensive line right off the bat, especially going QB #2 overall :logo:
 
Well said, agreed. I think Carolina takes Stroud or Richardson. Indy will take Richardson with Steichen as the HC if he gets to them. An interesting tweet FWIW—both Stroud and Richardson fit this M.O. I think Young will be there for Houston.


Is your real name Ben? My middle name is Benjamin. Once in a while I get Benji or Benny from people that know me well.

Back to the discussion. I first said Panthers taking Bryce, but as Inthought more about it and thought about Frank’s QB’ I have changed my mind. It’s Stroud or they swing for the fences with Richardson. Only way they take Bryce is if Tepper steps in and demands it. I view that as a chance…but not the likely scenario.
 
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Is your real name Ben? My middle name is Benjamin. Once in a while I get Beni or Benny from people that know me well.

Back to the discussion. I first said Panthers taking Bryce, but as Inthought more about it and thought about Frank’s QB’ I have changed my mind. It’s Stroud or they swing for the fences with Richardson. Only way they take. Royce is if Tepper steps in and demands it. I view that as a chance…but not the likely scenario.
I think they want Richardson but don’t want to take him at 1.
 
Caserio took a guard #15 overall who bench 210 only twenty times lol. I guess he doesn't believe in the value of the "underwear Olympics". Hope Green can get his strength up then he should be good to go though.

strength and movement skills .... I believe he was 4th from last in entire combine in the shuttle .... and your most athletic guard is on the left .... I just couldn't reconcile it. Home boy I guess.
 
That’s exactly what I mean by not being available come playoff time. Either hurt or out completely.

That’s exactly what I mean. We don’t know what we have. Let them build a team around a veteran QB, the coach on the field, then get a QB. I don’t like the coach on the field and the team trying to learn at the same time.

I’d rather the identity be established and we’re not trying to figure out if the problem is the QB or the OL, the QB or the WR, the QB or the RB


I want Jimmy G exactly for this reason. This offense is all about reps per Lil Shanny and Kubiak. I don’t want a new playcaller to have to rely on a rookie QB. I want the new playcaller to rely on the QB with 50+ starts in this system. For as long as he lasts at least to properly evaluate the other positions on offense. To me that’s worth the investment and is the best way to win games which needs to be the goal. I don’t care about “tanking” and neither does DeMeco. The goal is to win games and Jimmy G gives them the best chance at doing that THIS season.
 
I wasn't fan of Green but hoped he would fit power knock opponents on butt that I prefer. I've mentioned moving him to RG and drafting Skoronski for LG. As Doc says with apparent O plus 2 knee trimmings and with Young, we might need to replace Green entirely. If Cann improves even slightly and he should, Green can back up Cann. Can Cann play well in WCO?
 
Well, it seems like the concern is that we can't find find the flavor of QB we want in this draft ....
Who is "we"?

No one would argue the fit of any of these guys fit in a WCO, except maybe Levis & AR15. I posted a link about Harbaugh installing a WCO in SanFran. We all know how well that went when he put Kaepernick under Center... well, in the pistol.

Basically what I'm saying is it's not about finding the right QB for the WCO, but finding a guy the team thinks they can win with.
 
Checking several of the Pather's Fan Forums, most think they're taking CJ.

We need to look at these 3 Qbs as who has the biggest upside 3 yrs down the road. Forget this year or next year, but down the road a few years after the growing pains have worked themselves out.
 
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Well said, agreed. I think Carolina takes Stroud or Richardson. Indy will take Richardson with Steichen as the HC if he gets to them. An interesting tweet FWIW—both Stroud and Richardson fit this M.O. I think Young will be there for Houston.



and all thoes 6 foot + qbs frank has liked failed maybe he gotta switch it up

i thik u cant be to tall or to short somewere in the middle is the sweet spot like 5'9- 6'0 lol
 
i say we keep taking 2 qbs in the 4th-6th every 2 years intill we find the next tombrady lol

ya know increase your odds strategy
 
1678579458463.pngKinda odd that I got a D+ for drafting the best back seen in a few years to pair with Pierce. That duo will take a ton of pressure off whoever ends up being the signal caller in 2023. Other than that, got some cap space, drafted great for the defensive side of the ball. Shored up the C position, and possibly guard. Added a big, fast WR. I refer to a few different draft sites for comparisons on prospects and go with the best fit for me. I like athleticism and football instincts a lot.
 
Just watched the Mock Draft Guy's assessment video of Calijah Kancey on a whim scrolling through my suggested videos. I'm on board. Size is an issue but hey if the motor and desire is off the charts. And y'all know that's what I want. After I watched the video I Googled him and also searched his name on here and saw that he did great at the combine the last few days? I'm not crazy about workout warriors but it seems like he's a bit more than that.


Seems like a guy who can't really go inside on an NFL line but maybe he can be moved around in a versatile defense.

Trade down from 2, get a bunch of picks, draft Witherspoon/Gonzalez and this Kancey, see if you can grab some WR and TE somewhere in the mix, draft a QB late and sign one in FA and let's rock and roll.
From footage I watched of him, he seems to win a lot of battles by easily getting underneath lineman and using his speed and power to beat them. Oddly enough, his compact size seems to make him a bigger problem. He has impressive bend for a DT.
 
CloakNNNdagger. ..think Richardson is worth a gamble?
I have great reservations for many reasons. He has not been shown to consistently have great accuracy. He tends to fit the picture of a running vs a mobile QB. His evaluation is based on a very short college career with flashes of success that I believe have been given too much weight. Then he has been dealing with a hamstring issue since the spring of 2021. Add to that compensatory ankle issues. His injury history may not have kept him out of service much, but would have definite implications to his accuracy. His style unless changed is likely to continue to encourage lower extremity issues.
 
That’s exactly what I mean. We don’t know what we have. Let them build a team around a veteran QB, the coach on the field, then get a QB. I don’t like the coach on the field and the team trying to learn at the same time.

I’d rather the identity be established and we’re not trying to figure out if the problem is the QB or the OL, the QB or the WR, the QB or the RB
I thought I heard DR say he wanted to build/style his offense around the strengths and game of whichever QB they sign or draft. That sorta sounds like he doesn't want a bridge QB to keep the position warm while keeping the future QB on the bench learning for a year or two.

That lends itself more to him drafting CJ or BR, building the offense around one of the two and starting them from the git-go.
We may then draft another QB later in the draft or sign a lesser name out there as a 3rd QB.

Remember, we have a veterant QB on the roster now that very well may fit their vision of the offense they're planning for whoever they take at 1.2.
 
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That's what I'm talking about. Cannot understand why he's not discussed among top 4 QBs. Seems like a combination of the Fantastic 4 into one player. He has one alleged question: does he read only one side. Each of F 4 has at least one also.

Young wearability.
Stroud pressure .
Levis translation to NFL.
AR 15 accuracy.
 
Checking several of the Pather's Fan Forums, most think they're taking CJ.

We need to look at these 3 Qbs as who has the biggest upside 3 yrs down the road. Forget this year or next year, but down the road a few years after the growing pains have worked themselves out.
Then you have to include Hooker.
 
View attachment 11781Kinda odd that I got a D+ for drafting the best back seen in a few years to pair with Pierce. That duo will take a ton of pressure off whoever ends up being the signal caller in 2023. Other than that, got some cap space, drafted great for the defensive side of the ball. Shored up the C position, and possibly guard. Added a big, fast WR. I refer to a few different draft sites for comparisons on prospects and go with the best fit for me. I like athleticism and football instincts a lot.
I have first three in that order my most recent mock with Bijan at 32 as Eagles don't take with 2nd pick. Also, have Hooker at 73 but probably too low.

Your nuts if you think Caserio trades Tunsil for that.
 
From footage I watched of him, he seems to win a lot of battles by easily getting underneath lineman and using his speed and power to beat them. Oddly enough, his compact size seems to make him a bigger problem. He has impressive bend for a DT.
I see him as a luxury pick for someone who does not need him to be an every down starter.Unfortunately that is not houston.
 
I thought I heard DR say he wanted to build/style his offense around the strengths and game of whichever QB they sign or draft. That sorta sounds like he doesn't want a bridge QB to keep the position warm while keeping the future QB on the bench learning for a year or two.

That lends itself more to him drafting CJ or BR, building the offense around one of the two and starting them from the git-go.
We may then draft another QB later in the draft or sign a lesser name out there as a 3rd QB.

Remember, we have a veterant QB on the roster now that very well may fit their vision of the offense they're planning for whoever they take at 1.2.
Did you just demote Richardson from an a to AB? ☺️🤪
 
That's what I'm talking about. Cannot understand why he's not discussed among top 4 QBs. Seems like a combination of the Fantastic 4 into one player. He has one alleged question: does he read only one side. Each of F 4 has at least one also.

Young wearability.
Stroud pressure .
Levis translation to NFL.
AR 15 accuracy.
Probably because he’s 25 and coming off a torn acl but he had legit heisman hype last year
 
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