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Nick Caserio - New GM
- Thread starter gwallaia
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Of course I considered it, that's why I said:
Buddy is Easterby, the ally is Cooks.
That's a red flag. A GM should know better. Cap was screwed up enough as it was. Now he's having trouble trading the most traded guy in the NFL.
The VP of Operations had more power than the GM.
He's not having trouble trading Cooks, he's looking for cap value and premium top 100 draft picks. With this yrs draft class and FA WR market I bet he can get a 3rd for Cooks and a 6th. Cooks is worth a 3rd, the 6th is the price of the contract.
IF you're fine with that power structure...
He could have had a 2nd & a 4th before the trade deadline.
I keep hearing about that guy. Some people say he is too small. Does anyone have an opinion on this?
Doesn't matter if you're fine with it or not, that's the Texans and has been since 2001
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
My opinion on Bryce Young changes daily. I'd rather have him than Stroud, but I'd rather have a defensive linemen at 1.2 instead of either. And I don't like that Bryce Young is so small. If they're gonna take a QB in round 1, use the 1.12 pick on any QB other than Young or Stroud, but most definitely don't bring Stroud into the Texans camp.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
No.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
You may opine, but don't mention anything about how long or narrow he is.
Isn't that the motto of every poster on every internet forum?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I think you have to - I wouldn't like to rely on a rookie.
Because it's the Houston freakin' Texans.
I'm laughing that anyone actually believes THIS organization can take a huge outlier and become a potential champion.
Maybe the Patriots, maybe the Chiefs, but the TEXANS???? lmao
Some fans seem to forget the last two decades of this franchise. They are not going to morph into something they are not overnight, regardless of the GM and HC. Over time and with consistent success - maybe. But to put a small QB on this team this season? It's inviting disaster.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Same goes for a project - most rookies QBs are, but you take the ones that seem most pro ready for the system you are going to use.
Texansballer74
The Marine
So we’re being dismissive over Young’s height all because it’s Houston? He can go anywhere else but Houston. Brother my question is why do we even root/follow an organization like this, since we feel that way? I’m pretty sure the Bengals fans felt this way and just like that (overnight) two successful drafts. And now they’re one of the top teams in the league. They have gone through some terrible seasons as well.
If the Texans do draft Young and put some great pieces around him. Man who knows what might happen. Only time will tell.
Side note: I’m hoping se draft CJ.
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I don't care about his height, but rather his overall size. He's a small framed dude. You simply cannot make an ectomorph body-type into a mesomorph body-type. Nature does not work that way.
Y'all acting like size is irrelevant in a league of giants is mind-boggling to me.
I get the hype. He's an exciting player and shows lots of potential.
But I'm pragmatic, not idealistic. You have to consider EVERYTHING, including the organization drafting him. Too many high potential players have been ruined on teams that were not ready to protect and develop them. I'm just not convinced that the 2023 Houston Texans is an organization that can develop players with long odds. I'm not sure why optimism for some folks is so blinding that it suspends healthy skepticism.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Again I’ve already pointed out players who were way smaller aka D. Green. He played 20 years in the land of those giants. Tackled jokers like Earl Campbell and those other great running backs of that era. The game was more physical and violent back then, wouldn’t you agree?
Neither one of us know exactly what’s going to happen. But we both can attest to the fact the rules are totally different and it’s quarterback friendly. Them monsters are not blowing the quarterback up no more like way back in the days.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I find it funny that people compare Young’s height to other players “around” his height. They reach for Super Bowl winning players and hope it can happen again.
If we are throwing hope around I would just draft AR and hope he learns to be accurate like Allen.
If we are throwing hope around I would just draft AR and hope he learns to be accurate like Allen.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You can find it funny all the F you want. It’s a freaking fact dude.
What’s really funny is people acting like he will be the only player of his size to ever play in the NFL.
What’s really funny is people acting like he will be the only player of his size to ever play in the NFL.
Why do you take it so personal?
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Tackling someone is not the same as being tackled.
If you played then you know this.
There is no DB in the history of the league that has suffered any where near the contact a Houston Texans QB will.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Also shocking is that Bryce Young has been tackled before. Multiple times, in fact. Who knew?
Texansballer74
The Marine
I know right lol
Really? Because it’s seems to me the blind optimists are outnumbered 10:1 by the nattering nabobs of negativism, concerning Young.
Why is it that prototypical QBs like Newton, Palmer, and Roethlisberger show up on the injury report, game after game? And smaller QBs like Wilson, Brees, and Tarkington posted every week?
I don’t know. And I don’t pretend to know. Unlike other posters who pretend to know based upon “common sense”. The sense that needs no factual basis, because there is none.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Calm down, Spiro. You are conflating the few who post many times about not wanting Young with the many who have concerns about size/durability, but love his skills and talent. I love his game, and if he were drafted by the Texans I am not burning my Petey Faggins jersey, but he isn't the guy I want. Which is the majority of opinions here among us nabobs.
Were Cam and Big Ben prototypical? Because both played at 240+ lbs and made a reputation for embracing the contact.
Also, can we please stop with the "smaller" talk for Wilson and Brees? They are shorter. They are not smaller. Young is not framed like either and never will be. That isn't a critique, or an opinion that he can't handle the NFL. It's simply biology.
It's apples and oranges.
D. Green did not play QB. And the entire defense was not built around him.
And we are talking about the Houston Texans. This franchise does not have the capacity to develop players, much less overcome their physical limitations. Why this is being left out of the equation is beyond my comprehension. Until this franchise proves otherwise, they are who they are.
No, because anyone with eyes can see that Wilson & Brees are much closer in size to Young than prototypical QBs. And both received much criticism for their size when entering the NFL.
Interesting fact: He's never been tackled by an NFL player.
Not a fact. Travon Walker, Sam Williams, Michael Clemons and other current NFL players have tackled Bryce Young. Know your facts.
When the Houston Texans start acting, playing, and getting results like the 2014 Seahawks and the 2010 Saints, I'll consider your point.
I only have concerns, so save your emotional attitude for someone that cares.
If they pick B.Young, he'll be my QB and I'll root for him accordingly.
Until then, his warts get examined just like the rest of the prospects.
Deal with it.
Who's the one being emotional? It's just a game. Remember?
Your belligerence is telling. It's just a hobby for me.
And both are SB champs as I recall ?
And it's my full time job?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Not necessarily because it’s football. He also took on a lot of punishment to his body try hitting running backs, tight ends, receivers and quarterbacks way bigger than him. And again you do know they’re not allowed to hit like they did back in the days. Are you even factoring in the new age tackling rules? Come on DB
sandman
Brexit Advisor
No, they received criticism for their height, not their size. 215 lbs is a perfectly good weight for a QB. And now that we have an official measurement, Brees was a solid two inches taller than Young so he really should not even be in this conversation.
There are four starting QB's in the league this last year heavier than 225 lbs: Allen, Herbert, D. Jones and Dak with all being between 231-238.
The vast majority of starting QB's range between 213-225, depending on height and frame. Murray being the obvious exception at 207.
So at 215, both Wilson and Brees have been 10 lbs or less lighter than all but the outlier big dudes.
Regardless of his Combine weight, Young has only played competitive football at 194 lbs. That is 20 lbs lighter than almost everyone else not 5'10". So he is both short and skinny, which are two traits not shared by any starting QB in the league.
Does it make him a bust? Absolutely not. Does it mean he doesn't have skills? Absolutely not. Does it make him an outlier? Absolutely yes, regardless of how you try to spin the biologics. There is simply no biological reference point for someone his size in the modern era.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Believe me, I'm ALL about them proving it before blindly jumping on any rainbow trains, but even I'm willing to give DeMeco, a legit HC candidate for a change, and the staff he's put together some benefit of doubt. Granted, no one knows how it will work out for DeMeco as he's never been a HC, but still. Things feel different.
As far as the QB situation and any of these players sizes go, unless you're Eddie Gaedel I don't really care. Can you play NFL QB? Young has played in the most NFL ready league there is and I'm not aware of any injuries or games missed because of injuries. I know plenty of much bigger framed QBs who miss a ton of time. Maybe Young is more of a risk, but it's certainly not a given. If there's one thing Davis Mills has proven is that he can take a hit and get up from it. That doesn't mean I want him playing QB.
It’s funny the two organizations you listed were largely unsuccessful prior to the arrival of Mahomes and Brady and we’ve already seen the Patriots fall back into their pre Brady ways.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Yep, look at Levis who has been injured at 6'3 245lbs
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I mentioned in several post(s) that the Texans had never successfully developed a QB…..regardless of draft position.
My solution is simple….draft a top notch QB that the team can’t put on the field from Day 1. Sign a veteran QB who’s had some success in the NFL to take the reins initially and eventually turning the reins over to the rookie at some point in the season unless the team is enjoying unexpected success and could be playing for a playoff spot.
I truly believe Hendon Hooker could be the Texans QB of the future. Only a non-contact MCL knee injury derailed him from probably winning the Heisman and being in the top three QB discussions in RD1 of this draft.
I like the idea of signing Jimmy Garoppolo to be the veteran QB to get this team and DeMeco Ryans tenure off on the right foot. Slowick will be bringing his version of the WCO to Houston and having Jimmy G on hand to start the implementation process would be a plus for both Hooker (if drafted) and Mills.
This is simply my solution in stopping the Texans from possibly dropping the ball once again in the process of developing a QB.
My solution is simple….draft a top notch QB that the team can’t put on the field from Day 1. Sign a veteran QB who’s had some success in the NFL to take the reins initially and eventually turning the reins over to the rookie at some point in the season unless the team is enjoying unexpected success and could be playing for a playoff spot.
I truly believe Hendon Hooker could be the Texans QB of the future. Only a non-contact MCL knee injury derailed him from probably winning the Heisman and being in the top three QB discussions in RD1 of this draft.
I like the idea of signing Jimmy Garoppolo to be the veteran QB to get this team and DeMeco Ryans tenure off on the right foot. Slowick will be bringing his version of the WCO to Houston and having Jimmy G on hand to start the implementation process would be a plus for both Hooker (if drafted) and Mills.
This is simply my solution in stopping the Texans from possibly dropping the ball once again in the process of developing a QB.
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vtech9
All Pro
look at the talent level around Levis compared to the talent level around Young. Levis was basically playing with a team surrounding him that was almost as bad, if not worse, than what the Texans had the last 2 years. He got hurt because the team around him sucked. It happens. Remember David Carr? He got killed behind our chitty Oline. Do you think the Texans will all of a sudden have a top Oline to protect a new QB this year? I don't. That's why I'm not taking any QB in the 1st round this year.
I wouldn’t even say the Texans oline was chitty last year. It was bad but not like bottom 5. We’re a center away from an average oline and a center+Green remembering how to play football away from a good oline
He weighs over 200lbs. If he weighs more on his pro-day I won't speak of possible durability issues.
Still don't want the Texans drafting him with a top 15 pick. He's the best QB in the class, so they say. If that's true I don't want the Texans to draft a QB in the top 15.
I was getting used to the idea of Levis or Richardson at 1.12, now it sounds like they'll go top 10. Too rich for me.
Henderson in the 2nd & Bennett in the 4th if we "have" to draft a QB.
Or three NFL players at the same time
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Evidently Texans are showing interest in getting Garoppolo signed. It would make sense since Slowick is installing his version of the WCO offense and Garoppolo is there for the taking. This thought just crossed my mind…..what if signing Jimmy G was to help in the development of Mills? Certainly frees up the team to make moves with their RD1 picks.