So you don't sign him to a second contract until you know for sure. Draft a new one every chance you get
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2023 HC Poll
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Not to be more than a top 10 QB at best. I mean I think Young will be good maybe even top 10 before injury takes it's toll. Even then no QB his size has ever won a championship.
I thought highly of Burrow.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Sounds good in practice, but hard to do in reality. In other words, it's hard to come off a fringe top 12 or 15 QB when the team has no other option in place going into an NFL season. QB has all the leverage and pressure from ownership and fan base to resign the incumbent. Do you think the Cardinals really thoughts Murray was a premier QB when they signed him to that massive deal? Or course not, but they didn't really have a choice lest they torpedo the 2022 season, and possibly, beyond by taking a major downgrade in QB performance if they didn't pay.
Even the Jets are still talking about developing Zach Wilson 2 years of absolutely shitty QB play. It's hard to come off a Top 3 QB easily when you make the wrong selection. It's a horrible predicament for any organization that missed on a QB that high.
All I care about is that not happening. Just make sure you hit if you swing for it there.
That's why you draft a QB before you resign them to a second contract if you're not sure. Kingsbury believed in Murray and they were contenders until he got hurt
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
I don't really believe Arizona were contenders with Murray personally. That's the QB purgatory that is deadly for the organization... I really wish there was a Manning or Luck or Burrow or Lawrence (even though Year 1 was rough!) in this draft, because I would be happy as pig in ****. Now... hope for the best I guess.
I will be very interesting to see what happens if we get a defensive guy like Ryans as HC and whether he influences the draft process by convincing Caserio to go Carter or Anderson. I think it's best to see where everything sits after seeing the combine - a lot can change when we get a deeper look on how some of these guys grade-out in individual skills vs peers.
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Decim8
Veteran
I actually would put burrow up there. He may not have the stats or arm talent like the other two (Allen and mahomes), but when the going gets tough he’s the type of quarter back I’d want
Texansballer74
The Marine
I’m not saying I wouldn’t take that type of quarterback. My point is nobody knew he would perform like this. Especially after the injury. And drafting Chase was huge for his success as well as the teams success.
Yep, the combine is going to be really important this yr because this draft lacks depth. If you need a WR/DT/LB you better get one early or you're going to miss out.
I liked Burrow a lot coming out of college.
Getting Chase was huge for the Bengals/Burrow. I thought they should've picked Sewell. I was way wrong.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Combine is huge. Surprisingly, still a lot of fans dismiss the combine as being the "underwear olympics' and de-prioritize the results for the tape. But this is a big event for the scouting departments that will move rankings materially for some of these guys. As always, pay special attention to the outliers which drill results don;t match the tape and vice versa. Gonna be some surprises in both directions...
Decim8
Veteran
Penei Sewell has been a beast too though, so I wouldn’t say you were wrong.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What about all the games when Carter was a non factor?
Big difference between QB and DT.
You don’t have to have the top pick in the draft get a ”franchise“ QB.
| Year | No. | Round | Pick | Player | Name | Team | College |
|---|
2022 | 1 | 1 | 20 | 20 | Kenny Pickett |
| Year | No. | Round | Pick | Player | Name | Team | College |
|---|
2020 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | Joe Burrow | Bengals | Louisiana State |
2 | 1 | 5 | 5 | Tua Tagovailoa | Dolphins | Alabama | |
3 | 1 | 6 | 6 | Justin Herbert | Chargers | Oregon | |
4 | 1 | 26 | 26 | | | | |
5 | 2 | 21 | 53 | Jalen Hurts | Eagles | Oklahoma |
| Year | No. | Round | Pick | Player | Name | Team | College |
|---|
2018 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | Baker Mayfield | Browns | Oklahoma |
2 | 1 | 3 | 3 | Sam Darnold | Jets | USC | |
3 | 1 | 7 | 7 | Josh Allen | Bills | Wyoming |
5 | 1 | 32 | 32 | Lamar Jackson | Ravens | Louisville |
| Year | No. | Round | Pick | Player | Name | Team | College |
|---|
2017 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Mitchell Trubisky | Bears | North Carolina |
2 | 1 | 10 | 10 | Patrick Mahomes | Chiefs | Texas Tech | |
3 | 1 | 12 | 12 | Deshaun Watson | Texans | Clemson |
Ideally if you trade down this year you want to accomplish two things. 1.) get as many picks in the top 100 as possible. 2.) get a next years first. Three first round picks would of gotten you in range to draft any of the bolded QBs. Now go look at how many of the first QBs taken were bust. It’s more about being able to identify a QB whose traits fit what youre trying to do and getting them the right coaching. History tells you it’s a crapshoot drafting a QB even with the number one pick.
so If you don’t feel like one of these guys fits perfectly why not trade down and load this team up with as much young talent as possible?
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Watson Mahomes is a comparison that’s close to home, I’m not sure if Mahomes is what he is if drafted by Bill O’Brien, I tend to think Watson maybe takes the same issues with him to KC, but maybe achieving true success on the field tempers his urges off it somewhat, who knows?
The situation is far more important than the draftees raw talent and I tend to believe that the Jamarcus Russell/Johnny Football characters are few and far between Vs the number of talented hardworking high pick QBs who lose their way in the dysfunction of the failing franchises who get first dibs on drafting them.
Im all for taking Demeco as the HC, I think he is a true leader, is running a disruptive D, and has access to a great coaching tree to fill out his staff.
I’m concerned whether Demeco tallies with Caserio as GM, totally different trees, is Caserio 100% there to do what Ryans needs from him or is there going to be dysfunction there?
I see a D that needs to be creating some pressure up front, fill out its LB corps, and have better coaching for its young DBs.
The O is going to need a WR and more consistency along the OL, another RB to take the pressure off Pierce.
Those things are more important than dropping a QB into the fray straight away.
Id love to think we could trade back to somewhere late top 10 maybe, pick up extra high picks in the future as well as quality picksthis draft to fill some of these other holes. Take another stop gap QB with upside for this year, even let Mills battle it out in camp, it might not be pretty but you’ve got to fix the fundamentals before you drop the most important player on the team in there.
That's good, because the Texans have the #2 overall pick.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
If they genuinely like a QB, then they should take him - not just throw something at the wall and hope it sticks as there are some nice free agents out there if they want a known quantity and not a pot luck pick.
And yes, they definitely need a nice back to help Pierce as you can't expect him to take the ball up all game by himself.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Texans are still a chance to get a high pick next year.
Let's say they finish around pick #12 - they'll still have Cleveland's pick and 2025 first to offer a team to make a substantial move up.
That's nice draft currency.
To me, that's an emphatic No.
But then again, I was much higher on Mahomes than just about anyone.
Bryce Young does not have Mahomes' generational arm talent. I can count on one hand QBs that have had that. But Young does have Mahomes innate ability to evade the rush. And he reads defenses much better than Mahomes did out of college.
It is nice. But it doesn't mean a team that has the #1 pick will trade down with you. The Dolphins offered the moon and the stars to Cincinnati for the rights to draft Joe Burrow. The Bengals said "Nah."
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Agree, but you never know.
I see a lot of people bummed out because they think we have no chance of getting a good QB out of the 2024 class, and that simply is not true.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Besides, we may not even need a QB in 2024.
For example, what if they take one this year and he shows a lot of promise?
What if they get a Derek Carr in here and he looks good?
And finally, what if Texans finish in the top 5-6 again?
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
100%. I think Young has the ability to make similar off-platform plays in the pocket. But I'm concerned about his arm strength when he's not set and throwing on the run. As we've seen with Tua, arm strength isn't the be-all-end-all when a QB's feet are set and throwing in rhythm. Young has more than enough arm for that. But his arm isn't so good that when he has to throw on the move or flat footed with defenders in his face he can pull off the type of throws Mahomes can.
True. That's why you can't plan for it to happen.
You're going to be waiting long time to find a guy that make Mahomes type throws and also play the position at a high level.
Plus if they trade down from 1-2 then that should net them another high pick in 2024, plus atleast a 2nd this yr and a 2025 1st.
Quoted for truth
Exactly
Dont worry about the Caserio/Ryans relationship. Last yr proved Caserio can draft the players the HC wants. Besides if ownership wont let the GM pick the HC of his choosing, then the GM is effectively neutered. This team will be built the way Ryans wants it to be built.
Yep, and as shown great QB's are being found later in the 1st, not just at 1-1. If Ryans decides to tell Caserio to trade down there will be plenty of draft capital to trade backup in 2024.
I would take a flier on a young cheap QB like Lance or Wilson in 2023, trade down accumulate picks so that if Lance/Wilson didn't workout that I could trade back up in 2024. Plus if Young/Wilson suck then you're pretty much guaranteed a high pick in 2024.
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He's also a midget and the NFL game is a much different game than the college game.
He's also a midget. And DeMeco is not coming to the Texans. We know. Just put it in your signature and save yourself from carpal tunnel.
Number19
Hall of Fame
It's looking good that DeMeco may be signing with the Texans. I wasn't totally sold until yesterday when it was reported here that DeMeco and his Houstonian wife were building a house here.
So DeMeco will likely be bring in a WCO. The question to be asked is, which of the three top QB's best fit this system? My vote goes to Young.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
If he does, he needs to build a wall in front of him.
And get him a real running game and some weapons to throw to.
I'm rooting for the hometown guy.
The San Fran/Philly teams are visions of how teams should be correctly built when their orgs show patience.
Same for the Chiefs waiting on Mahomes. I'm afraid the Texans are going to building more like the Bengals. The bling squirrel finds nut rebuild.
True, but you can play the odds of, do you think any QB in this class is going to be successful vs what are the odds of not having a good record next yr, being able to accumulate picks both this yr and through 2025 to trade up in 2024 to get your QB. Give me option B, particularly since 1. I dont like any QB's in this draft. 2. I do like the QB's in the 2024 draft. 3. This draft is thin on talent so an extra 2nd/3rd etc... could help add badly needed talent to this team.
Also true about not being able to find a guy with Mahomes arm strength. But you can do just as well with a guy with Burrow's arm strength. BTW, Levis arm is nearly as good as Mahomes arm is. So yes you can find that guy. Not that I want Ryans to draft Levis.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
In my mind, the only pick at #2 assuming we go QB is Bryce Young. Stroud was like 88th in college football when throwing under pressure. He was pretty bad - so why repeat the Davis Mills situation all over again? I will be quite upset if Stroud is picked here. At least with Young, we get somebody who will fit that system and has those Mahomes-type off platform play abilities. Whether his game translates to the NFL is another story, but at least I can understand why management went this direction. Stroud makes zero sense to me.
Mangler
Toro de España
Hold your horses. They may end up giving Mills one last go under the new HC and OC before taking a gamble on a small QB. With that said, it may not make much difference who the QB is if they keep Pep Hamilton’s useless arse in the building.
LOL, I dont know how to do sigs, but if I did it would say I'm not a fan of watching midget porn on Sunday afternoons.
Why didn't you quote the rest of the post which is also true.
Burrow wasn't as much that guy (one-year wonder questions) coming out as Caleb Williams projects to be. If Williams is (and sigh, maybe Maye) close to what the talent evaluators are telling us there is next to nothing that a team sends for the 1-1 or 1-2 that it will take to draft that player.
Remember an overall competent 49ers organization sent 3 high picks for a small college dude with traits who didn't play football(sorry one bad game) in his last college season.
Watson who at times cosplayed a top QB garnered 3 first-round picks and some stuff and a record guaranteed contract. And multiple teams were meeting that draft pick cost.
there is no Joe Burrow in this draft. There’s no Trevor Lawrence. No Andrew luck. It’s like all the other drafts I posted where it was the seconnd or third QB picked could easily turn out better than who goes first. All I’m saying is f there sent a perfect match for what you’re looking for why not load up on as much talent as possible.
And i would say this is a rare opportunity to turn one pick into multiple high picks and future picks For a team with arguably the lowest talent level in the entire league. If there were a Burrow, a Lawrence or a Luck we wouldn’t be having this discussion. All #2 pick guarantees you is one pick. You better get it right or that’s a huge wasted asset. There’s rumors that we’re looking to trade up with the Bears which will cost us even more assets. IMO this would be historically dumb.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
No, you don’t have to have the top pick to get a franchise QB, but it helps to have that potential franchise QB available where you are picking.
There’s plenty here that don't like this year’s crop of QBs, yet they want to go further down that list to get one?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
How do you know there's no Joe Burrow in this draft? Burrow had just 1 season in college where he looked like a halfway decent QB.
In this draft Adian O'Connell is the best fit.
Halfway decent?
He set all time records and won a national championship.
You can use the how do you know line on any prospect. For instance, how do you know there's not another Aaron Donald in this draft.
Or not pick one at all in the 1st rd.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
It’s gonna happen regardless. Philly will crush that Purdy team.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Texans could stand pat, 33rd overall, but realize this, if Texans have not selected QB in first, other teams who need one too will jump Caserio to select their possible targeted QB (Jake Haener, Aidan O'Connell).