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Nick Caserio - New GM

I would have believed it if Casserly had gone out and say it when he was first hired in Jan 2000, or some time shortly after that.
Oh, OK.
I’m not sure why one would mention inside information other than to get a big pay day. Guess that turned into Texans GM gig
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Casserly already had the Texans gig for 2 years when he made those remarks. Do you guys even remember Charley? It was a long time ago.
 
Part 1 of the rebuild:
Texans started 2021 season with 54 contracts and $6MM OVER the cap.

If the Texans had made the following moves they would've been $48MM UNDER the cap. They would not of had to resort to mortgaging the future to the tune of OVER $35MM in contract restructuring, $37MM in Dead Cap in 2021 and would've added a 2nd rd draft pick.
B. McKinneyRelease$7.00m
D. JohnsonRelease$6.90m
Z. FultonRelease$3.00m
Du. JohnsonRelease$5.15m
B. DunnRelease$3.25m
B. CooksTrade$12.00m
J. WattRelease$17.50m
Total Saved$54.80m
Part II of the rebuild:

2021 Draft
#67 - Quinn Meinerz OC
#109 - Bobby Brown III DL
#122 - Tommy Togiai, DL
#147 - Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR
#158 - Brenden Jaimes, OT
#195 - Tay Gowans, CB
#202 - James Wiggins, S
#212 - Jonathan Cooper, Edge
#233 - Cade Johnson, WR

Part 3 of the Rebuild
#3 - Charles Cross, LT
#13 - Jordan Davis, DT
#37 - George Pickens, WR
#68 - Zamir White, RB
#80 - Matt Corral, QB
#107 - Jalyn Armour-Davis, CB
#108 - Zach Tom, OG
#170 - Jamaree Salyer, OG
#205 - Quentin Lake, S
#207 - Chance Campbell, LB


Not a huge fan of those drafts (although I would have liked the Jordan Davis pick a lot more) but as for the cap stuff didn’t we do a lot of that outside of cooks? I may be misremembering but Watt got released, Brandon Dunn got released, McKinney was traded to Tampa, Duke was released.
 
Maybe just because it's over text but you are so condescending
When you need to make a case, you need to provide all the nuggets.

Ever think of your own admission that you don't know the state of the 2005-2006 teams that you're not qualified to compare the two?
 
When you need to make a case, you need to provide all the nuggets.

Ever think of your own admission that you don't know the state of the 2005-2006 teams that you're not qualified to compare the two?
I didn’t bring up 2006 you did that. Also the fact that you even have to go back 16 years to find a situation that you think was as rough as this and still failed tells me what I need to know.
 
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Once upon a time we agreed about 99% of the time.

We still do agree on most things.

Do y’all need a moment alone?

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Snippy little response.

Go revel in your Kubiak mediocrity.
You had lost many arguments, my friend.
(And we had talked over the phone, not like we're strangers).

It's very typical when one looses an argument and start to shift the goal post.

You once told me 2-14 is 2-14, didn't you?

But now you're telling me 4-13 is worse.

I'm sorry, but you're talking out both sides of your mouth.

(And I still think of you as a friend).
 
Oh, OK.

Casserly already had the Texans gig for 2 years when he made those remarks. Do you guys even remember Charley? It was a long time ago.
Why I said I think Casserly was doing a bit of a salesman job there.

I mean Brady was already known as the comeback kid in college.

It was his Olineman- speed that scared teams away.
 
I didn’t bring up 2006 you did that. Also the fact that you even have to go back 16 years to find a situation that you think was as rough as this and still failed tells me what I need to know.
Huh?
I bring up the Texans history and you think it's irrelevant?

I have plenty of other stories to tell you.
We had gone through all this many many years since I've been here on the original forum in 2006.
 
Huh?
I bring up the Texans history and you think it's irrelevant?

I have plenty of other stories to tell you.
We had gone through all this many many years since I've been here on the original forum in 2006.
Where did I say it was irrelevant? I just said that you went back 16 years to try and find a situation in the NFL as bad as the one we were in and still failed.
 
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I didn’t bring up 2006 you did that. Also the fact that you even have to go back 16 years to find a situation that you think was as rough as this and still failed tells me what I need to know.
Secondly, you need to know that I had laid out all the facts that Kubiak left with a good core of players that O'Brien munched off, including extra picks when your good players go to other teams.

I like that you're engaged, but you should know by now that I'm very in tune with how this franchise operates.
 
He's had 1 full draft and did well in the Derrick trade.

His 1st draft he found 4 players, even though some would say those are Lovie's picks. What more do you expect and what would you have done differently?

I will tell you what I would have done differently and said so at the time. I would have drafted

1. Neal
1. Davis
2. Sam Williams

2nd guessing the draft like you're doing,

I would have drafted

1. Neal
1. Davis
1. After trading back into the 1st Linderbaum

Either way I would have fixed the trenches 1st. Williams would be my #2 edge behind Aderson in this yrs draft.
Why you acting like Neal is playing well?
 
Secondly, you need to know that I had laid out all the facts that Kubiak left with a good core of players that O'Brien munched off, including extra picks when your good players go to other teams.

I like that you're engaged, but you should know by now that I'm very in tune with how this franchise operates.
How is any of this relevant to the topic at hand?
 
You had lost many arguments, my friend.
(And we had talked over the phone, not like we're strangers).

It's very typical when one looses an argument and start to shift the goal post.

You once told me 2-14 is 2-14, didn't you?

But now you're telling me 4-13 is worse.

I'm sorry, but you're talking out both sides of your mouth.

(And I still think of you as a friend).
4 wins are 4 wins, no difference.

I can make a case that during Kubiaks rookie yr a couple of late season wins set that rebuild back. This is why I hope Lovie gets another season. They will be bad again next year and in prime position to get one of the top QB's in2024. We just have much different visions on where we want the Texans to win right now. This just in they aren't going to be a 10 win team next year with Lovie as HC.
 
Why you acting like Neal is playing well?
He's not playing badly. I'm sure you can find some highlights that are bad. But adding Neal and Feliciano to the ol is why Barkley is doing so much better and their QB has improved. Funny how improved ol play leads to winning records.
 
So you're telling me the Texans are going to win another 5 games?

And how is it worse.
Last year team went 4-13

Kubiak inherited a 2-14 team.

Kubiak had very little cap space (I had detailed most of it in long thread a couple years ago when I debated with @steelbtexan that Kubiak is a better HC than O'Brien).

Kubiak/Casserly had an extra third.

Nick Caserio had an extra first and an extra second.
(Scratch out Mechie).

But Kubiak lost a starting LT that he drafted, who was looking like a very good LT.
And he lost the starting RB before the season started.

How is this team in a worse situation than Kubiak's first team?

Kubiak made that team works.

The AFC South was much stronger back then than now, with the Colts taking home the Lombardi trophy and the other two teams both finished 8-8.

One of the best things coaches and gms must do is evaluate the personel. Kubes got the job to fix Carr, but it took all of 1 season to know he wasn't the dude and traded for a 3rd rd backup qb. He also fixed the line pretty quickly and also traded a 5th rd pick for a 4th rd center who became a probowler. They signed a guy like Wade and drafted Brown as the 8th tackle in the draft in 08. More importantly, offensively, the players got better. We remember what Jenkins did to Meyers and how Brown looked early, but through coaching, they got better and became staples. Same with Winston. Even before he was fired, they had the center who is in Tennessee and the Brooks ready and developed, but OB ran both off because of whatever reason. They've spent a number of picks on interior offensive lines and dudes flopped.
 
He's not playing badly. I'm sure you can find some highlights that are bad. But adding Neal and Feliciano to the ol is why Barkley is doing so much better and their QB has improved. Funny how improved ol play leads to winning records.
Neal is playing average at best, I've watched him constantly. Barkley is having this season because he's healthy and in a contract year, not to mention dude was drafted 2nd overral. Neal is always on the ground and for a man of his size and athleticism is getting bull rushed into the qb. If you draft a tackle top 5 and he's avg, thats a wasted pick.
 
How is any of this relevant to the topic at hand?
The topic at hand is exactly what you said.

You think that this was a bad rebuild that Nick Casrio inherited.
Right?

But this is the second year.
I had already given him a free pass his first year.

Isn't this team supposed to be better with more draft picks and more.cap.space.

Answer mẹ truthfully where you think this team would be right now.

And the question goes to you, too, @steelbtexan
 
The topic at hand is exactly what you said.

You think that this was a bad rebuild that Nick Casrio inherited.
Right?

But this is the second year.
I had already given him a free pass his first year.

Isn't this team supposed to be better with more draft picks and more.cap.space.

Answer mẹ truthfully where you think this team would be right now.

And the question goes to you, too, @steelbtexan
Yes but nothing you said in your post was relevant to this you were rambling about the Kubiak OB transfer period I think, idk it was tough to follow your point honestly.

But in regards to your question our draft picks (the ones that have been able to play at least) are concentrated on secondary and the oline/run game. The oline is playing a bit better than last year altho the center position has been a disaster, our running game is much stronger than last year and our secondary is playing better than last year.

Through 8 games last year we were 1-7 currently we’re beating that. Also out of those losses 6 were by more than 1 score. Of our 6 losses currently only 2 are by more than one score. The only games I’ve really felt out of was the Titans game which we only lost by 7 due to a garbage time TD. The Raiders was within reach up until the Mills pick 6 and the chargers game was within reach well into the 4th quarter.

Last year we were getting completely blown out of the water at least this year we’ve looked competitive in nearly every game. Don’t get me wrong we still blow but it’s better
 
Well you still missed and don’t bother looking around you won’t find much in that time period in the NFL either
Well. I don't miss.
Even the guy @steelbtexan , who's been giving you the thumb up, had been telling us that a rebuild can be sooner, but when it came to Caserio, he changed his tune.

I love him, like I had said.

Even as he had set a very low bar for this year (4 wins).

Does that even seem achievable at the moment?

Excuses is all I hear.
 
Well. I don't miss.
Even the guy @steelbtexan , who's been giving you the thumb up, had been telling us that a rebuild can be sooner, but when it came to Caserio, he changed his tune.

I love him, like I had said.

Even as he had set a very low bar for this year (4 wins).

Does that even seem achievable at the moment?

Excuses is all I hear.
“I don’t miss” lmao so sure of yourself for no reason at all. Whatever you say buddy
 
Yes but nothing you said in your post was relevant to this you were rambling about the Kubiak OB transfer period I think, idk it was tough to follow your point honestly.

But in regards to your question our draft picks (the ones that have been able to play at least) are concentrated on secondary and the oline/run game. The oline is playing a bit better than last year altho the center position has been a disaster, our running game is much stronger than last year and our secondary is playing better than last year.

Through 8 games last year we were 1-7 currently we’re beating that. Also out of those losses 6 were by more than 1 score. Of our 6 losses currently only 2 are by more than one score. The only games I’ve really felt out of was the Titans game which we only lost by 7 due to a garbage time TD. The Raiders was within reach up until the Mills pick 6 and the chargers game was within reach well into the 4th quarter.

Last year we were getting completely blown out of the water at least this year we’ve looked competitive in nearly every game. Don’t get me wrong we still blow but it’s better
Look at this.


Tell me you're confident with the team going forward.

Why do you think that certain player(s) check out?

The GM has s good vision to sell?

Just to let you know , I very much enjoy all the football talks, no matter our different opinions .

Cheers.
 
Look at this.


Tell me you're confident with the team going forward.

Why do you think that certain player(s) check out?

The GM has s good vision to sell?

Just to let you know , I very much enjoy all the football talks, no matter our different opinions .

Cheers.
Am I confident in the 2022 Texans to win games, no absolutely not. Am I confident in the Texans organization moving forward, not particularly. The 2022 coaching search was a crapshow. I don’t know what confluence of events internally landed us with Lovie Smith but I don’t like it and I’m worried that Cal will continue to make decisions he is not qualified to make.

As for Cooks checking out I’m not sure specifically what lead to that but we know Cooks liked Easterby and the mess coincided pretty closely with Easterby being shown the door and if it took making Cooks mad to get rid of Easterby I’ll take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday’s.

Im not particularly excited with Caserio’s time here (again mainly due to the 2022 coaching search) but I think the drafts have been good from what we’ve seen so far and I don’t think the fact that we haven’t turned this around yet is a reasonable indictment on him.
 
It's only a Caserio fubar because that's what you want it to be.
Uummm it was a video of a couple of nfl in the know talking heads who who were describing Caserio’s FUBAR. So it’s not just me. Maybe you are the one in denial and the Kool Aid has given you a mental block and caused some brain fog???
 
Uummm it was a video of a couple of nfl in the know talking heads who who were describing Caserio’s FUBAR. So it’s not just me. Maybe you are the one in denial and the Kool Aid has given you a mental block and caused some brain fog???
Except they didn't call it a fubar and even said other teams didn't get everything together in time. And Cooks can still be traded for picks before next season. Perhaps you're too much of a Florio lover and are putting your own slant on things he said
 
Caserio is just a jock wanna be in a suit. Have no idea McNair's attraction to New England system,
Oh, OK.

Casserly already had the Texans gig for 2 years when he made those remarks. Do you guys even remember Charley? It was a long time ago.

Suppose we do. Yet how is it none of us remember that? Oh, I forgot, we’re on the path to greatness with Charlie :clown:
 
Im not gonna argue about 2006 because I just wasn’t paying attention then. But I’m finding it very hard to believe that team was in as bad a spot than we were in the 2021 offseason.

You think what you want but in my mind it’s too early to make a judgement given the circumstances
Trust me lol it wasn’t. I have never seen a team go through the crap the Texans went through and is still feeling the residual effects from it. Getting rid of Hopkins, the best receivers in the league for a washed up Johnson was the start of it. Giving the wrong people power/ jobs they weren’t qualified for was mind boggling. Kubiak never experienced this type of crap when he got here. Now at the tail end when he went against the owners orders. But as we all saw The Late Mr. McNair wasn’t having it. Unlike his weak son.
 
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Caserio is just a jock wanna be in a suit. Have no idea McNair's attraction to New England system,


Suppose we do. Yet how is it none of us remember that? Oh, I forgot, we’re on the path to greatness with Charlie :clown:
You don't remember that Casserly was named GM before 2002?
 
Neal is playing average at best, I've watched him constantly. Barkley is having this season because he's healthy and in a contract year, not to mention dude was drafted 2nd overral. Neal is always on the ground and for a man of his size and athleticism is getting bull rushed into the qb. If you draft a tackle top 5 and he's avg, thats a wasted pick.
Like I said there have been bad plays. He had a rough game against the Cowboys. But he's part of a very improved ol. Barkley can't do it on his own. BTW, how's Thibodeaux doing?
 
You don't remember that Casserly was named GM before 2002?
I’m not remembering him boasting about trading for Brady post 2001-02.

Now maybe he recognized the Brady model before anyone else, but that certainly wouldn’t support selection of David Carr #1 overall so that is what I’m suspect about.
 
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Do you think Cal is equal to Jim Crane with regards to being owners?

Crane had a long term vision and hired qualified people to implement it.

Cal has no vision and he hires people based on qualifiers that are dubious, at best.

Crane built his companies from the ground up. He knows how to hire the right people and knows how to manage them through experience.

Cal has none of those qualifications. His dad had them, but Cal hires people like Jack Easterby and David Culley, two jokers that would never have been interviewed by owners like Crane (or Bob McNair for that matter).
Cal does not know what he is doing. He only knows how to emulate his Dad's Kirby Boardroom Round Table operation. Except Cal does so without a real plan, leadership, or cognitive thinking, and with lesser resumes sitting at the table. Lesser resumes agree to the boardroom process because of the money and to have a seat at the roundtable. Cal is the man without a plan. There is a void and a lack of executive competence in the Houston Texans Kirby Boardroom.
 
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Cal does not know what he is doing. He only knows how to emulate his Dad's Kirby Boardroom Round Table operation. Except Cal does so without a real plan, leadership, or cognitive thinking, and with lesser resumes sitting at the table. Lesser resumes agree to the boardroom process because of the money and to have a seat at the roundtable. Cal is the man without a plan. There is a void and a lack of executive competence in the Houston Texans Kirby Boardroom.

Yep. I'm a low expectation Texans fan from here on out as long as the McNairs own the franchise. I do not believe they have the innate abilities to interview and analyze the game of football and its related personnel. Their playbook is how to market the game of football, which is a far cry from actually fielding a championship-caliber team.

Maybe Caserio will ultimately be a game-changer, but based on Culley and Lovie, I'm not convinced that he's been given the power to do it.
 
I’m not remembering him boasting about trading for Brady post 2001-02.

Now maybe he recognized the Brady model before anyone else, but that certainly wouldn’t support selection of David Carr #1 overall so that is what I’m suspect about.
Were you reading the Boston area papers prior to 2002? I think we have to take Lucky at his word
 
Yep. I'm a low expectation Texans fan from here on out as long as the McNairs own the franchise. I do not believe they have the innate abilities to interview and analyze the game of football and its related personnel. Their playbook is how to market the game of football, which is a far cry from actually fielding a championship-caliber team.

Maybe Caserio will ultimately be a game-changer, but based on Culley and Lovie, I'm not convinced that he's been given the power to do it.
Yeah best hope here is McNair gets some help hiring someone to actually run the show while he sits back and uses his influence sparingly.
Well best hope really is sell the team but trying to be realistic here.
 
Were you reading the Boston area papers prior to 2002? I think we have to take Lucky at his word

Fish wrap is fish wrap but ok, Lucky is another thing, so I’m sure he wouldn’t make stuff up. I’m just reflecting years after the fact, trying to grasp selecting Carr over Peppers and I’m not one to dwell on past mistakes, you can’t, just hope for best results with turds selected and some diamonds (Pierce) that occasionally shine.
 
Fish wrap is fish wrap but ok, Lucky is another thing, so I’m sure he wouldn’t make stuff up. I’m just reflecting years after the fact, trying to grasp selecting Carr over Peppers and I’m not one to dwell on past mistakes, you can’t, just hope for best results with turds selected and some diamonds (Pierce) that occasionally shine.
Selecting Carr over Peppers was the first sign that McNair was not the owner we hoped he would be
 
Like I said there have been bad plays. He had a rough game against the Cowboys. But he's part of a very improved ol. Barkley can't do it on his own. BTW, how's Thibodeaux doing?
What does Kayvon have to do with this exchange? He's playing better as a whole than Neal and and Stingley. Sauce,LLoyd,Rodriguez,and the corner in NE are the best defensive rookies so far by a ways.
 
What does Kayvon have to do with this exchange? He's playing better as a whole than Neal and and Stingley. Sauce,LLoyd,Rodriguez,and the corner in NE are the best defensive rookies so far by a ways.
I was just asking how Thibodeaux was doing. I don't watch the NYG. What's wrong with you?

I would definitely put Woolen on your list. What a value as a 5th rd pick and 3 hours from Houston. Not drafting him bothers me more than not drafting Sauce.
 
Selecting Carr over Peppers was the first sign that McNair was not the owner we hoped he would be

Yep. Especially telling is his football people were telling him Peppers, but his marketing people were telling him Carr. Which is why David's toothy grin is on all the merch before they even played their first game. He was the starter because he was good looking, not because he competed for the position.
 
I was just asking how Thibodeaux was doing. I don't watch the NYG. What's wrong with you?

I would definitely put Woolen on your list. What a value as a 5th rd pick and 3 hours from Houston. Not drafting him bothers me more than not drafting Sauce.
Woolen was one of my top CB wants. I was hoping for Ekwonu and Jordan Davis with our first 2 picks, so I wouldn't have drafted Stingley or Sauce.
 
Woolen was one of my top CB wants. I was hoping for Ekwonu and Jordan Davis with our first 2 picks, so I wouldn't have drafted Stingley or Sauce.

Yep, IIRC I had Woolen going in the 3rd rd in some of my mocks. A very rare athlete with great movement skills for a big CB.
 
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