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Should we trade Watson?

Should we trade Watson?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

  • Yes, depending on compensation (please list your trade scenario).

  • No, never.

  • No, unless he plays hardball and sits.


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I like Stafford but we're no where close to being ready to compete so I'd rather see a rookie grow with the team. What I like about a rookie is that he'd be playing behind what should be a really good OLine (assuming we get a decent coach). Let the rookie grow while we rebuild the defense with draft picks.
I think there is no way in hell Stafford would agree to be traded to the Texans.
 
and cap space, lots of it.
if true Young brings a base salary of three-quarters of a million dollars and a roster bonus hit of 1.4 million for this season and he is 21 years of age. I like this part of the trade but there needs to be a lot more coming. And often there is extra information when trade becomes known. I am thinking this is just another clickbait attempt and there will be many more between now and March 17th
 
WFT has 4 # 1s on the DL 17-20. Someone has to go soon

2022 will be deep in QBs Howell, Rattler to start
Montez Sweat and Young would be great with 1.19 and 2022 first but not sure I'd settle for that. I'm hoping this could be a Watson's agent's move to start bidding to get his player to NYC. Just think, we could have a picante sauce, Whataburger and Watson going from Texas to New Yawk City!
 
It's a sad state of affairs when you're best option for just having a respectable NFL franchise in the city is for the team to trade it's greatest asset just so you can dump salary.
Well that’s not true. We’ve got 9 picks in the upcoming draft. & many bad contracts that can be worked out, traded, cut, or restructured.

Trading Watson is not the only option & I don’t believe it’s the best option. Be careful of those that tells you it is.

Go to OTC & compare our situation with the Packers. The Packers are contenders, we’re not. But our QBs are making similar money. No one is pushing for Rodgers to be traded.
 
Trade for Tua and also draft a QB?
yes if Zach Wilson there at 1.3. Tu's gonna be alright IMO but injuries may limited him as they did Watt, Clowney and many others. Wilson has ceiling of a Rodgers and a floor of a very good QB who could sit a season if Tag is doing well. Getting WR like Terrace Marshall for either of those QBs to throw to would be smart.
 
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Anyway, trade Watson. He could have tweeted at anytime over the past few weeks he loved the fans in Houston, or at least appreciated us and wants to stay but he hasn't. It appears he doesn't care about the fans and his goals now are more about yachts, Instagram models, buying BMW's for his "fam", and improving his brand. With or without him, this team is going to suck for awhile anyway.
Don't fall into the rabbit hole and the narratives. If your statement is true, why did he post this?

 
Yep and if you missed the movie, talk to fans in Jacksonville, Detroit, Washington, New York and even Miami. It's been in syndication for 10-15 years.

Living in fear is no way to live.

We're in the middle of the lost decade. The only way out is to do the bold thing and dont worry about what the media says/thinks. Kinda like Jimmy Johnson did with the Walker trade.
 
I also should mention the apparent view of ownership and their stance on hot button issues also is surely playing a part. We know where the McNair’s stand, and both Mr. Ross and Mr. Johnson of the Dolphins and Jets respectfully are much more aligned with Watson and Mulugheta’s views. Again, fair or not, the player empowerment era is here and viable. This gets back to why certain guys just do not align with what the organization does and why they are moved.


So just where does ownership stand ?

They did have a minority GM for over a decade ...

They are one of a handful of teams who has a minority QB.

They have had a minority DC for the last 7 years who they promoted to Assistant HC and then Interim HC.

They are expected to hire a minority HC in about two weeks ....

This franchise has been ahead of the curve when it comes to hiring minorities for more than a decade.



Have the Jets or Dolphins had a minority GM in their history ? Didn't think so.

Perception doesn't fit reality.
 
The Texans were stable and at least operated respectably before we brought O'Brien and he broke with the "choir boy" image and brought in dumb, low IQ players who would trash hotel rooms and get in other disciplinary problems and such.

So I mean if that's the determining factor of whether we're stable or not, maybe it's not such a bad thing to consider a return to.

Just don't think anyone in the franchise is capable of actually pulling it off. That's why I don't buy the "Easterby!" criticism in that "choir boy" regard. He's a Patriots cancer. And so is Caserio. You don't import cancer to get rid of cancer.

This team needs to be stripped down to the bone. That includes coaching. That includes Patriots management. That includes Watson and whoever else.

You're Patriot hate knows no bounds.
 
So just where does ownership stand ?

They did have a minority GM for over a decade ...

They are one of a handful of teams who has a minority QB.

They have had a minority DC for the last 7 years who they promoted to Assistant HC and then Interim HC.

They are expected to hire a minority HC in about two weeks ....

This franchise has been ahead of the curve when it comes to hiring minorities for more than a decade.



Have the Jets or Dolphins had a minority GM in their history ? Didn't think so.

Perception doesn't fit reality.

Perhaps the Texans have making PC hires in mgmt positions hasn't worked out very well.
 
I'll agree, history has shown us that a QB making 13.2% of the salary cap have not won the Super Bowl.

I don't know if we can say Rogers, Brees, & Wilson haven't made the Super Bowl because their teams can't put talent around them. @76Texan demonstrated these teams have had at least 15% left over on top of paying their QBs. They simply chose not to spend it. It wasn't that they couldn't. They chose not to.


They can't have "15%" unspent. There is a salary cap Floor - Teams are required to spend 90% of the cap total according to the CBA.

76's numbers are flawed or predate 2013.
 
So just where does ownership stand ?

They did have a minority GM for over a decade ...

They are one of a handful of teams who has a minority QB.

They have had a minority DC for the last 7 years who they promoted to Assistant HC and then Interim HC.

They are expected to hire a minority HC in about two weeks ....

This franchise has been ahead of the curve when it comes to hiring minorities for more than a decade.



Have the Jets or Dolphins had a minority GM in their history ? Didn't think so.

Perception doesn't fit reality.

I 100% agree with you. Sadly, in league circles, in player circles, in certain agent circles, and through media coverage, that is the perception that has been attached to the Texans and their ownership. The Duane Brown situation spiraled and that really hurt us. Mr. McNair making his ill-timed comment. Andre speaking out hurt us. Arian is eclectic but he does have a certain following. Then BOb ruling with an iron fist and with the festering of these issues, things only exacerbated. The Hopkins baby mama story broke. All of these things hold weight to players. These are 22-28 year old men (boys) in many cases. Many of whom have sensitive natures (the age we are in... I am 32 but my half brother is 48 and he keeps me tough). Every little detail has been shared and tweeted and spoke on and we all know how stories mold and morph as they pass from mouth to mouth and locker room to locker room.

The way to fix it? Success. The Patriots way doesn’t work when players are unhappy and losing too. A players’ coach also doesn’t work when players are happy and they are losing. Only success will fix the perception of this franchise.
 
I also want to really stir the pot in this thread tonight. Even with the situation we are in roster wise, cap wise, and perception wise, if I am NC, I would only trade Watson for a Herschel Walker deal or more. I am talking 6 picks in the top 64 of their respective drafts, one or two of which I would want in the top 3. I would want a young starter (maybe not Chase Young level because it would hurt draft haul, but a good young starter.) I also agree that I would want additional cap relief by the suitor taking on one of our bad contracts.

WITH THAT SAID.... Texans will be lucky to get 4 picks. I see 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and a player maybe. And Texans include picks back later in those same drafts. And for that, I keep DW4. Trading Watson is a mistake because of how difficult it is finding a franchise QB. I would make him sit and make him angry at his agent for the fines he’s racking up before I budge. You don’t sign an extension with my franchise and then get to demand a trade within 365 days. Not on my watch.

I hope I have your support when I’m running the Texans in 7-10 years. Preview of the future.
 
1. He doesn't want to be here
2. Top 5 guys like Rodgers/Brees
3. Wilson


Haven't made the SB because of lack of talent around them because they make to much money. The Texans have way to many holes on their team to be able to afford paying DW4 35-40 mil a yr.


Agreed, I certainly would get what I wanted in trade for DW4 before I would trade him. Two 1sts, Two 2nds and cap relief would be a starting point in negotiati
No , it doesn't mean it will never happen .... I'm almost positive that some day it will happen.

But what 27 years of history (Rodgers was this years last chance) tells you is that the odds are against it happening.

Your batting average against an MLB pitcher would be a similar figure , you'd eventually be the blind squirrel that found a nut but no- Improbable not impossible.
the odds are against dam near everything. Only one QB wins every year. Everything is improbable about the super bowl. You know what’s even more improbable? Finding a franchise QB. Weather you believe that Watson is that or not he’s got the attention of the entire NFL, the national and local media and a shitload of fans. He must be doing something right. I’ve had my doubts and still do as to wheather or not he can be that guy but he’s the closest we've been to having a franchise QB since this team’s inception.

I just don’t want to give up on him before getting a chance to see him with a real quality NFL coach coaching him up. He has the talent but can he take that next step. I’m excited about watching it all transpire this year. Now that I said that they'll probably hire a defensive HC and keep Kelly.
 
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I agree. And I'm hoping with you that they have Easterby back in his initially intended role. But why hope when they could have addressed the situation definitively by firing him? Saves them from having to reassure coaching prospects, Watson and the rest of the team that things will be different moving forward. They're stumbling their way through this entire process. The only thing that makes sense to me for keeping him is needing to placate Janice. But even if it's Cal driving all of this, it doesn't really matter, they're stumbling nonetheless.
certainly they are stumbling but as I said it is difficult for me to admit I make mistakes and it must be so for Billionaire CEOs and owners. Hey coaching prospects, I hired Easterby to do A and then had to use him temporarily for B. B has been resolved and Easterby has gone back to what I hired him for. Caserio is the GM and if I hire you, you will be the HC and answer to the GM whom answers to me. None of you answer to Mr. Easterby. There is too much pandering to players and coaching prospects for me. It is a J O B and either you want it or not. I lay out what I want and the players, GM and coaches make it happen. If their way doesn't get me where I want with MY team in my time period, I replace them. I own this team. Buy your team if you want to.
 
I already do.

They haven't done crap yet. 10 bucks says that trend continues.
my point exactly. We can trade Watson for a Walker wagon load; Watt for a round three, Tunsil for 1.13 and 3.77 and Brandin Cooks for X Howard and still not have the coach to bring it together. I want to see whom we get for HC before I get excited. A huge concern is Tim Kelly remaining as OC someone pointed out he would keep Devlin and that makes me ill.
 
Trading Watson would obviously be idiotic. The team finally has a great player under center, arguably one of the top-three players in franchise history. Give the man whatever he wants.

Don't blame him for being pissed. The last "GM" traded away Nuk for a ham sandwich.

Much like Detroit, the Texans have pissed away the careers of some of the best in NFL history, thanks to bad coaching, terrible ownership, and a joke of a front office.

Don't forget that the Texans will keep obvious wastes of space in the organization for years at the head coach and GM spot. Kubiak and Billy O stayed years after any real NFL team would have canned them. If the Texans hire a bum again, Watson knows the guy will be around for a decade. Hell, Kubes only lost his job after he literally almost died on the sideline.
 
the odds are against dam near everything. Only one QB wins every year. Everything is improbable about the super bowl. You know what’s even more improbable? Finding a franchise QB. Weather you believe that Watson is that or not he’s got the attention of the entire NFL, the national and local media and a shitload of fans. He must be doing something right. I’ve had my doubts and still do as to wheather or not he can be that guy but he’s the closest we've been to having a franchise QB since this team’s inception.

I just don’t want to give up on him before getting a chance to see him with a real quality NFL coach coaching him up. He has the talent but can he take that next step. I’m excited about watching it all transpire this year. Now that I said that they'll probably hire a defensive HC and keep Kelly.


I'm on record stating that I would not trade Watson unless absolutely forced to do so and in that event I want at least 3 1st , 3 2nds and a couple 3rds along with that team taking Mercilus contract (I was the first person to mention dumping a bad contract and now everyone has latched onto the idea).


Different argument ... in terms of paying a high cap cost.

You are playing against the odds .... There's life on earth and we know of how many other planets that support life out of literally millions ? Sure , there's a needle in that haystack somewhere ... We just aint found it yet. Who know's when that'll happen ?
 
certainly they are stumbling but as I said it is difficult for me to admit I make mistakes and it must be so for Billionaire CEOs and owners. Hey coaching prospects, I hired Easterby to do A and then had to use him temporarily for B. B has been resolved and Easterby has gone back to what I hired him for. Caserio is the GM and if I hire you, you will be the HC and answer to the GM whom answers to me. None of you answer to Mr. Easterby. There is too much pandering to players and coaching prospects for me. It is a J O B and either you want it or not. I lay out what I want and the players, GM and coaches make it happen. If their way doesn't get me where I want with MY team in my time period, I replace them. I own this team. Buy your team if you want to.
I hear what you're saying. And if Cal had the Alpha, go pound sand attitude from the beginning, the Watson situation might not be happening. But Cal went Beta right from the get go and was promising to give everyone down to his secretary a say in things. Trust fund baby's going to have to grow up in front of our eyes to get himself out of this.
 
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I hear what you're saying. And if Cal had the Alpha, go pound sand attitude from the beginning, the Watson situation might not be happening. But Cal went Beta right from the get go and was promising to give everyone down to his secretary a say in things. Trust baby's going to have to grow up in front of our eyes to get himself out of this.
from your lips to Janice's ears. I think if Caserio is what I think he is and a strong HC is hired, we could be breaking out of the quick sand.
 
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Thinking out loud:

Texans trade QB Deshaun Watson and ILB Zach Cunningham to Miami Dolphins.

Miami trades QB Tua Tagovailoa, 2021 1st RD pick (#3); 2021 1st RD pick (#18); 2022 2nd RD pick (#36); 2022 1st RD pick to the Houston Texans.
Have you ever negotiated from a position of weakness? Ever sold a house in a buyers market? Trading DW4 is basically impossible for the Texans. Why? If Watson truly wants out and he gives you a list of a couple of teams, those teams are in power now. So say he says Miami for example, Miami will off the Texans the minimum. They can keep Tua and flip him for more capital somewhere else. They will offer their 1st this year and maybe a 1st next year if they're feeling generous. That 1st rd pick this yr would be their 1st rd pick, not the Texans pick. So the Texans get the 14th pick this year and the 14th pick next yr and no qb. If they trade Watson, might as well trade Tunsil and any other young players.
 
Have you ever negotiated from a position of weakness? Ever sold a house in a buyers market? Trading DW4 is basically impossible for the Texans. Why? If Watson truly wants out and he gives you a list of a couple of teams, those teams are in power now. So say he says Miami for example, Miami will off the Texans the minimum. They can keep Tua and flip him for more capital somewhere else. They will offer their 1st this year and maybe a 1st next year if they're feeling generous. That 1st rd pick this yr would be their 1st rd pick, not the Texans pick. So the Texans get the 14th pick this year and the 14th pick next yr and no qb. If they trade Watson, might as well trade Tunsil and any other young players.

Then you keep him

What they should've done with Hopkins.

DW4's agent will be the guy that helps facilitate the trade.
 
Then you keep him

What they should've done with Hopkins.

DW4's agent will be the guy that helps facilitate the trade.


I think its his agent that's at the root of all of this crap. That guy's bad for the league. If players have that kinda leverage with 4-5 years on their contracts , that's as bad as the NBA where players force their way to desired destinations on a routine basis and the league suffers for it.

The way the CBA is right now , teams have leverage while players are under contract for multiple years as players just can't sit out / refuse to play - they don't get paid and their contract doesn't toll an accrued season.

I'd tell Watson show up and honor your contract or don't get paid and while you are at it , return that bonus money.
 
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