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State of the O-line

steelbtexan said:
We will see how this turns out.

This wasn't just about the Tunsil trade. I was about a commitment to protect Watson. Trading for Tunsil/drafting Howard (Who BTW didn't play against the Saints.) and Scharping means this franchise has gone in a long overdue new direction. You can disagree with the Direction but there is a new direction. Protecting Watson is job #1, unlike what went on in previous regimes.
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I think it hilarious how you think what they’re doing is some kind of awesome new direction. What they’re finally doing with the o-line is the same damn thing they did with QB for years. Band aid here, band aid there, finally get fed up and now you’re desperate to get it fixed to where it ends up costing you more to do so. Not just in draft capital, but time as well. That’s not direction, that’s desperation to cover their gross incompetence of putting a football team together.

So yes, they’re finally seriously trying to really address the OL, instead of bringing in more band aids. But it’s almost because they’re forced to do so, just like with QB. That’s not direction. Well, it is but that direction takes you through a bad neighborhood at night.

Now you’ve got the same thing going on with the secondary. Bringing in these 1 year band aids year after year until you get to a point of desperation there. And because of the price you had to pay to fix your incompetence at QB and OL, you don’t have the resources to dig yourself out on defense.

Hell of a direction they’ve got going on there.
 
Scooter said:
You're probably right - however no GM, a weak HC, and bad/nonexistent staff is hardly the model either.
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Couldn't agree more. I guess my only solace in this is that they didn't intend to have no GM. They just created a pile of chicken sh!t and now feel the need to convince us it's chicken salad.

To me the question is do they officially give OB the title next year (please no) or actually bring someone in?
 
Speedy said:
I think it hilarious how you think what they’re doing is some kind of awesome new direction. What they’re finally doing with the o-line is the same damn thing they did with QB for years. Band aid here, band aid there, finally get fed up and now you’re desperate to get it fixed to where it ends up costing you more to do so. Not just in draft capital, but time as well. That’s not direction, that’s desperation to cover their gross incompetence of putting a football team together.

So yes, they’re finally seriously trying to really address the OL, instead of bringing in more band aids. But it’s almost because they’re forced to do so, just like with QB. That’s not direction. Well, it is but that direction takes you through a bad neighborhood at night.

Now you’ve got the same thing going on with the secondary. Bringing in these 1 year band aids year after year until you get to a point of desperation there. And because of the price you had to pay to fix your incompetence at QB and OL, you don’t have the resources to dig yourself out on defense.

Hell of a direction they’ve got going on there.
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The new direction is doubling down on Obrieniness. There doing the same thing, just harder.
 
Speedy said:
I think it hilarious how you think what they’re doing is some kind of awesome new direction. What they’re finally doing with the o-line is the same damn thing they did with QB for years. Band aid here, band aid there, finally get fed up and now you’re desperate to get it fixed to where it ends up costing you more to do so. Not just in draft capital, but time as well. That’s not direction, that’s desperation to cover their gross incompetence of putting a football team together.

So yes, they’re finally seriously trying to really address the OL, instead of bringing in more band aids. But it’s almost because they’re forced to do so, just like with QB. That’s not direction. Well, it is but that direction takes you through a bad neighborhood at night.

Now you’ve got the same thing going on with the secondary. Bringing in these 1 year band aids year after year until you get to a point of desperation there. And because of the price you had to pay to fix your incompetence at QB and OL, you don’t have the resources to dig yourself out on defense.

Hell of a direction they’ve got going on there.
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I dont think they overpaid to fix the OL and yes adding Tunsil/Howard/Scharping is a new direction for this franchise. You just dont agree with the new direction.

If L.Johnson becomes what they think he will become then the CB position will be much better than you think. He's going to get a baptism by fire starting Sunday kinda like KJax, give the kid a chance to grow. They will add CB's next offseason. The reason the CB position is weak is because of KJo being a bust. This is supposedly a great yr in the draft for the CB position. BTW, just so you know, I'm terrible at evaluating the CB position.

If L.Johnson doesn't develop properly, do you start blaming RAC like you do with the offense and BOB?
 
sandman said:
Interesting tidbit on last year for the Texans: half of Watson's sacks (31) happened in 5 games.
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LOL! Well, if you want to cherry pick stats, Watson had 5 games where he had a 4/4 TD/INT ratio. So I don’t know what the point of that is.
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont think they overpaid to fix the OL and yes adding Tunsil/Howard/Scharping is a new direction for this franchise. You just dont agree with the new direction.

If L.Johnson becomes what they think he will become then the CB position will be much better than you think. He's going to get a baptism by fire starting Sunday kinda like KJax, give the kid a chance to grow. They will add CB's next offseason. The reason the CB position is weak is because of KJo being a bust.
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eh, KJo had talent, punched above his weight and was a plus on the field... when he could get on the field.

Kind of like Feido, hard to call guys who have career altering/ending injuries a bust. In my opinion.

Now Colvin, he was a bust that definitely weakened the secondary.
 
Speedy said:
LOL! Well, if you want to cherry pick stats, Watson had 5 games where he had a 4/4 TD/INT ratio. So I don’t know what the point of that is.
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He also had a few of games where he played with a punctured lung and broken ribs. Not to mention having to comeback from a torn ACL. That's why doing everything possible to upgrade the OL was very necessary.
 
Speedy said:
LOL! Well, if you want to cherry pick stats, Watson had 5 games where he had a 4/4 TD/INT ratio. So I don’t know what the point of that is.
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Point being is that Watson wasn't getting pummeled every game as we like to narrative around here. 5 games where he was sacked on average 6+ times. 11 games where he was sacked on average 3.5 times. If I remember correctly there was a three game stretch where he got sacked a total of two times.

He was sacked 12 times by the Colts in the two regular season games. 15 if you count the playoffs. Scheme better for the Colts and you significantly improve your sack numbers. Literally just do this one thing. It's not that hard of a concept.
 
steelbtexan said:
He also had a few of games where he played with a punctured lung and broken ribs. Not to mention having to comeback from a torn ACL. That's why doing everything possible to upgrade the OL was very necessary.
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RIGHT!!!!!

But it should have been done long before now is what I’m trying to tell you. You don’t wait until you’re desperate to do so. They haven’t changed direction, they just got to the point of desperation. Just like what finally happened at QB, and now here comes the defense.

The draft capital isn’t the only costs incurred. Time matters too. Watt’s best years are already behind him. These guys don’t last forever. You talk about direction, well, you’ve got to have vision first. You’ve got to be able to see where you’re going.
 
Yeah 6 freaking sacks in one darn game is protecting Watson at all cost. Like I stated dude will take a nice good old fashioned ash whipping until that unit jells. Hopefully the youngster doesn't get hurt in the gruesome process.
 
Yeah 6 freaking sacks in one darn game is protecting Watson at all cost. Like I stated dude will take a nice good old fashioned ash whipping until that unit jells. Hopefully the youngster doesn't get hurt in the gruesome process.
sandman said:
Point being is that Watson wasn't getting pummeled every game as we like to

He was sacked 12 times by the Colts in the two regular season games. 15 if you count the playoffs. Scheme better for the Colts and you significantly improve your sack numbers. Literally just do this one thing. It's not that hard of a concept.
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You also have to factor in the number of times he was hit. Paint the entire picture.
 
Speedy said:
RIGHT!!!!!

But it should have been done long before now is what I’m trying to tell you. You don’t wait until you’re desperate to do so. They haven’t changed direction, they just got to the point of desperation. Just like what finally happened at QB, and now here comes the defense.

The draft capital isn’t the only costs incurred. Time matters too. Watt’s best years are already behind him. These guys don’t last forever. You talk about direction, well, you’ve got to have vision first. You’ve got to be able to see where you’re going.
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Lol exactly. These moves should've been made a long freaking time ago. That way you're not waiting until 6 regular season games before that unit jells. Not only that we know injuries will happen. So that will stunt that line even more from jelling like it suppose to.

Rince and repeat huh. Because this is the same skit that happened last season. It crazy to me on how some fans are. They act as if we never addressed this line throughout this regime. But since they brought in one player they like, oh it's on and popping. Finally there's some direction. Lol
 
sandman said:
Point being is that Watson wasn't getting pummeled every game as we like to narrative around here. 5 games where he was sacked on average 6+ times. 11 games where he was sacked on average 3.5 times. If I remember correctly there was a three game stretch where he got sacked a total of two times.

He was sacked 12 times by the Colts in the two regular season games. 15 if you count the playoffs. Scheme better for the Colts and you significantly improve your sack numbers. Literally just do this one thing. It's not that hard of a concept.
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You realize that professional players can have good games from time to time, right? Just because you have a 1 sack game here or there doesn’t mean all is righteous. Over the course of a season you’re judged by totals/averages.

62 was the season total. Whether it was spread out evenly or it all happened in 8 games, Watson got pummeled regardless. And now we’re at a point where we’d gladly take 45-48 sacks, but the problem with that is, that’s still quite bad. But hey, it ain’t 62 so yippee!!

Andrew Luck had over 40 sacks just twice, and low 40’s at that. What’s he doing these days?
 
Oh, and sacks don’t tell the whole story either. You’re not going to find QB hits on the QBs stat sheet anywhere. Those hits matter too.
 
steelbtexan said:
O'Brieness is doing what it takes to protect Watson? Sign me up.
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I dont really think Watson is protected.

Seantrel is terrible (barely NFL backup worthy), kelemente is mediocre, Martin is average at best, rookies are rookies (rod is basically a rookie too), Mancz is always hurt and there's no depth. Two guys can't protect Watson.

In addition they are easily confused by stunts and blitzes. Tunsil probably had his worst game "by pff grade" since his rookie year just because of miscommunication rather than playing poorly.

There doesn't seem to be much scheming to protect Watson either.

Which is why it is apt to say it's just more of the same.
 
Tweet from @MattVerderame: The #Texans have major OL issues despite investing approximately 84 first-round picks into it this offseason.

@geoffschwartz, a former NFL OL, laughs in approval as I tee off on the situation. https://t.co/LQHeHmyDgA
 
TheKDog said:
I dont really think Watson is protected.

Seantrel is terrible (barely NFL backup worthy), kelemente is mediocre, Martin is average at best, rookies are rookies (rod is basically a rookie too), Mancz is always hurt and there's no depth. Two guys can't protect Watson.

In addition they are easily confused by stunts and blitzes. Tunsil probably had his worst game "by pff grade" since his rookie year just because of miscommunication rather than playing poorly.

There doesn't seem to be much scheming to protect Watson either.

Which is why it is apt to say it's just more of the same.
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I agree with your point and want to hammer my own along side it - I don't feel these guys are/were completely worthless. I feel they're being MADE worthless. Martin should be developed to the point where we feel we got the better end of his contract instead of wondering why he got paid instead of cut. XSF should've only played at LG(?) and taught the technique to excel at the position - rarely has coaching so obviously failed a player in such obvious fashion. We shouldn't have needed to trade for Tunsil because we had a plan in place that would make the most of Howard's ability at LT (or a GM with a better plan of attack that didn't result in such a desperate move). We kept extending what's his name at RT despite being the worst part of Kubiak's line instead of drafting a tackle to play RT and become Duane Brown's successor. We've scrapped several veterans who came in solid and left failures. We've been asking for 6 years now what O'Brien's scheme is supposed to be. O'Brien isn't a guru, everyone knows that, what he might (MIIIIIIGHT) be is a competent head coach, but he shows (much like Chip Kelly) that he is near impossible to work with and moves as the only general who can save the day and everyone else is just getting in the way of his vision. We NEED an offensive coordinator who can teach, someone with a history as we had with Shanahan. Someone taught a scheme, not a TE coach from the Belichick tree guessing at one.

We've had more than too many chances to refresh the line. Instead we blew it up - blew it up again for good measure, and don't have the coaching (ability or scheme) to make competent talent with anyone we draft or sign - and IMO we've signed decent talent. Though, the latest batch has Benson's stench on them and might be beyond coaching.
 
sandman said:
To me the question is do they officially give OB the title next year (please no) or actually bring someone in?
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Much like 'the Godfather' Rick Smith, it seems O'Brien is way too far in with Cal, and the impression is that Cal (what's the nickname given? I forget) is used to being told what's best for him. This isn't college ball. Each coach that tried to treat it that way has gone home quickly. We're currently surviving on star power, but much like our draft picks it can't last. I surprise myself in saying this a second time, I don't think I would mind O'Brien as a Head Coach. He absolutely MUST be out-ranked by the GM however, and by that direction forced into wearing ONLY the head coach hat. Only Cal could do that, but he seems more likely to do whatever the strongest personality tells him to.
 
Texansballer74 said:
They act as if we never addressed this line throughout this regime. But since they brought in one player they like, oh it's on and popping. Finally there's some direction. Lol
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I think it's on & popping because they got someone who can play LT that's better than anyone they could have got in the draft. This past draft & next.

I think it's on & popping because we have legit depth behind F5 & Coutee. Heck, heaven forbid anything happens to Hop, but I don't think we'll be as bad off as we would have been last year or the year before.

May not be on & popping for Hyde, but I do like Carlos Hyde.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it's on & popping because they got someone who can play LT that's better than anyone they could have got in the draft. This past draft & next.

I think it's on & popping because we have legit depth behind F5 & Coutee. Heck, heaven forbid anything happens to Hop, but I don't think we'll be as bad off as we would have been last year or the year before.

May not be on & popping for Hyde, but I do like Carlos Hyde.
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Without Hopkins or Watson, this offense averages 80 yards, but it's nice that we might have a little bit of talent for when Fuller and/or Coutee are out per usual. I like Hyde as well, but as I'm slow to give anyone credit quickly, and I worry that he was a bit eager to bounce outside. That's probably a step up from Miller/Blue staying in their lane to get crushed (or Hyde will be punished for not doing so), but either way, I'm worried about his long term ability against better fronts - the Saints being notoriously bad, and were without several players.

First point lost me though. We don't even know who we got in the draft. We just spent a first round pick on left tackle and instead of learning what he had and teaching him, we sent him wandering across the line (XSF flashbacks) while anointing a proven fail to the position through preseason as our starter. Only one person had control of each step of that process. THIS is why I'm not interested in overpaying for one potentially great talent ... if we can't even get our first round pick to the preseason, the problem isn't with the players.
 
Speedy said:
3 sacks isn’t bad at all? 3 sacks per game comes out to 48 for a season, and that ain’t good.
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Close to half the league’s starters averaged around 2.5 - 3 per last year. Shits come in bunches.

And Unless the sack totals get really stupid like in mid to late 50’s and in DW4’s case 60’s, I don’t think anyone can make any grand statements about what the sack total actually means in terms of o-line play and a qb’s protection. Wilson has taken no less than 40 sacks a game every didn’t stop him from reaching the SB twice.

Dallas has arguably the best o-line in the league talent for talent. However Last year they were near the bottom in avg. sacks per game with 3.2. We were at 3.8 with significantly less talent. Dak and 3 other qbs with better o-lines also took significantly more sacks than Eli Manning...another guy with arguably the worst o-line in the league.

Grading and assessing these guys individually is stupid considering at least a 3rd of the time they’re not even working as individuals, they’re helping each other in double teams, & 2, they aren’t looked at as individuals but as a group. Finally there’s no 1 stat that you can point to that adequately captures how well they as individuals do their jobs.
 
Speedy said:
RIGHT!!!!!

But it should have been done long before now is what I’m trying to tell you. You don’t wait until you’re desperate to do so. They haven’t changed direction, they just got to the point of desperation. Just like what finally happened at QB, and now here comes the defense.

The draft capital isn’t the only costs incurred. Time matters too. Watt’s best years are already behind him. These guys don’t last forever. You talk about direction, well, you’ve got to have vision first. You’ve got to be able to see where you’re going.
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Totally agree with this post.

I'm just glad that when BOB was fully in charge his 1st order of business was to try to find a way to protect Watson.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yeah 6 freaking sacks in one darn game is protecting Watson at all cost. Like I stated dude will take a nice good old fashioned ash whipping until that unit jells. Hopefully the youngster doesn't get hurt in the gruesome process.
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Spot on

This is going to be a tough 6 weeks and Watson's back appears to be hurt. Hopefully he and Correa aren't going to the same masseuse.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yeah 6 freaking sacks in one darn game is protecting Watson at all cost. Like I stated dude will take a nice good old fashioned ash whipping until that unit jells. Hopefully the youngster doesn't get hurt in the gruesome process.


You also have to factor in the number of times he was hit. Paint the entire picture.
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Everyone inside the tackle box...including the qb is responsible for the protection scheme to protect the qb in passing situations it’s not just the o-line.

There are actually situations that call for the qb to pick up a blitzer by getting rid of the ball in a timely fashion. If he gets hit b/c he didn’t do this, that should not reflect on the o-line, it reflects on him.

If the rb is supposed to pick up a blitzer or chip according to the protection scheme but he either misses or flat out gets run over by a defensive player on their way to the qb that shouldn’t reflect on the o-line. I can literally think of 5 hits DW4 took on Monday where these situations happened.

Yet what people tend to do when assessing the o-line is lump all those qbs hits and pressures in together and make the erroneous conclusion that that’s all on the line & it’s not.
 
Speedy said:
You realize that professional players can have good games from time to time, right? Just because you have a 1 sack game here or there doesn’t mean all is righteous. Over the course of a season you’re judged by totals/averages.

62 was the season total. Whether it was spread out evenly or it all happened in 8 games, Watson got pummeled regardless. And now we’re at a point where we’d gladly take 45-48 sacks, but the problem with that is, that’s still quite bad. But hey, it ain’t 62 so yippee!!

Andrew Luck had over 40 sacks just twice, and low 40’s at that. What’s he doing these days?
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And Wilson has taken no less than 40 since coming into the league. What’s he doing these days?

You can’t make a sweeping conclusion based on 1 stat & subjective individual “performance” grades in which no one knows how they’re even derived. It’s just dumb...like first take Skip Bayless dumb.
 
steelbtexan said:
Totally agree with this post.

I'm just glad that when BOB was fully in charge his 1st order of business was to try to find a way to protect Watson.
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If O'Brien wanted to protect Watson, why does Benson have a job? Your friend and mine Kubiak put 4 (mostly castoff) offensive linemen into the Probowl in a single season (O'Brien inherited all of them, plus two futures). Scheme and coaching! O'Brien needs to stop thinking he's the only guy in the NFL that knows how to win and BUILD A TEAM - that means NFL coaching, not 'yes sir' interns. Where you're thankful that we're "finally" building a line, most are asking why our line needed saving - and why the rest is so bad that one player isn't going to impact the whole. O'Brien's been in charge since he got here, your hard-on for Rick Smith has turned you into a joke, but fail to see that in as many years our HC has been unable to work with 2 GM's, or any offensive coordinator, or basically anybody.
 
Scooter said:
If O'Brien wanted to protect Watson, why does Benson have a job? Your friend and mine Kubiak put 4 (mostly castoff) offensive linemen into the Probowl in a single season (O'Brien inherited all of them, plus two futures). Scheme and coaching! O'Brien needs to stop thinking he's the only guy in the NFL that knows how to win and BUILD A TEAM - that means NFL coaching, not 'yes sir' interns. Where you're thankful that we're "finally" building a line, most are asking why our line needed saving - and why the rest is so bad that one player isn't going to impact the whole. O'Brien's been in charge since he got here, your hard-on for Rick Smith has turned you into a joke, but fail to see that in as many years our HC has been unable to work with 2 GM's, or any offensive coordinator, or basically anybody.
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Who is Benson? Are you talking about the TV character or the recently RIP Ced?

RS needed to be gone yrs ago and Gaine F'ed up in an inner office kind of way. Accept that or dont, I really dont care.
 
Scooter said:
If O'Brien wanted to protect Watson, why does Benson have a job? Your friend and mine Kubiak put 4 (mostly castoff) offensive linemen into the Probowl in a single season (O'Brien inherited all of them, plus two futures). Scheme and coaching! O'Brien needs to stop thinking he's the only guy in the NFL that knows how to win and BUILD A TEAM - that means NFL coaching, not 'yes sir' interns. Where you're thankful that we're "finally" building a line, most are asking why our line needed saving - and why the rest is so bad that one player isn't going to impact the whole. O'Brien's been in charge since he got here, your hard-on for Rick Smith has turned you into a joke, but fail to see that in as many years our HC has been unable to work with 2 GM's, or any offensive coordinator, or basically anybody.
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Who is Benson? Are you talking about the TV character or the recently RIP Ced?

RS needed to be gone yrs ago and Gaine F'ed up in an inner office kind of way. Accept that or dont, I really dont care.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who is Benson? Are you talking about the TV character or the recently RIP Ced?

RS needed to be gone yrs ago and Gaine F'ed up in an inner office kind of way. Accept that or dont, I really dont care.
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But did OB for keeping Devlin to long?
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it's on & popping because they got someone who can play LT that's better than anyone they could have got in the draft. This past draft & next.

I think it's on & popping because we have legit depth behind F5 & Coutee. Heck, heaven forbid anything happens to Hop, but I don't think we'll be as bad off as we would have been last year or the year before.

May not be on & popping for Hyde, but I do like Carlos Hyde.
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One word "COACHING"

As we witnessed again Coaching in game one was our downfall. This time it was the defense, next time it might be the offense. But as you can see coaching fails this team again.


Now don't get me wrong I believe we have the talent to compete with any team. I raved about the plethora of weapons we have on offense. I thought the secondary will be much improved. Coaching however has to get better on all aspects of the game.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes, I would've fired Devlin after he worked out Davenport and recommended drafting him. That shows me he cant evaluate talent.

We got spoiled by the greatness that was Alex Gibbs.
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You cite Gibbs and I'll mention special teams. We got a top coach there and in just the span of a year improved drastically. I think we can do the same with a top tier ol coach.
 
Mr teX said:
Everyone inside the tackle box...including the qb is responsible for the protection scheme to protect the qb in passing situations it’s not just the o-line.

There are actually situations that call for the qb to pick up a blitzer by getting rid of the ball in a timely fashion. If he gets hit b/c he didn’t do this, that should not reflect on the o-line, it reflects on him.

If the rb is supposed to pick up a blitzer or chip according to the protection scheme but he either misses or flat out gets run over by a defensive player on their way to the qb that shouldn’t reflect on the o-line. I can literally think of 5 hits DW4 took on Monday where these situations happened.

Yet what people tend to do when assessing the o-line is lump all those qbs hits and pressures in together and make the erroneous conclusion that that’s all on the line & it’s not.
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Preaching to the mass choir here. I've said this on numerous occasions. Even posted how many times Watson caused himself to be sacked, the play call and the running back either missing his block or getting drove. But the narrative was the offensive line right. And now the likes are mounting up with this new and improved direction. In which 6 sacks were solely on the offensive line. But it was to be expected since yet again the line has changed.
 
Scooter said:
Was hoping nobody noticed before I could fix posts, but at some point I turned Devlin into Benson (sober). Don't ask why or how because I have no idea ... names and dates can get as foreign to me as colors and sounds (colorblind and tonedeaf).
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Benson caught a lot of grief here also
 
Texansballer74 said:
Preaching to the mass choir here. I've said this on numerous occasions. Even posted how many times Watson caused himself to be sacked, the play call and the running back either missing his block or getting drove. But the narrative was the offensive line right. And now the likes are mounting up with this new and improved direction. In which 6 sacks were solely on the offensive line. But it was to be expected since yet again the line has changed.
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How was it solely on the OL when they were credited with only 3 sacks allowed?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Preaching to the mass choir here. I've said this on numerous occasions. Even posted how many times Watson caused himself to be sacked, the play call and the running back either missing his block or getting drove. But the narrative was the offensive line right. And now the likes are mounting up with this new and improved direction. In which 6 sacks were solely on the offensive line. But it was to be expected since yet again the line has changed.
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Should've been expected period b/c its week 1 and the starters didn't play much. everyone around the league is rounding into form. NO watched that playoff game & saw how DW4 struggled with the blitz. Obviously the plan was to blitz him until he & the o-line showed they could consistently beat it & he did that b/c they couldn't consistently get pressure with rushing just 4. But i predict Jax to try the same thing. If he continues to beat it, teams will stop. Its just as simple as that.
 
powda said:
You cite Gibbs and I'll mention special teams. We got a top coach there and in just the span of a year improved drastically. I think we can do the same with a top tier ol coach.
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Part of the problem is that OB doesn't know what he wants.

Sometimes they run a power scheme , others they zone block. Its hard to do one or the other well with any consistency much less both. It seems that about half are suited for one scheme and the other have …. the other.

Pass blocking tends to be about continuity as much as individual play / technique …. and they definitely don't have that. Not with Tunsil being in the building 5 days before his first game.

One other BIG problem is that they all too often fail to identify who's coming and from where pre snap so they are in out of sync far too often. SIMPLE stunts were causing them trouble.

I saw a couple occasions where the C and G were doubling an inside rusher , the T an outside guy while another insider rusher would stunt outside , in that case the C has to keep the guy he's on , the G has to take the tackles man and the tackle that far outside guy …. they didn't manage to solve that puzzle very well.

This offense is just poorly designed and poorly coached top to bottom. They get by on the individual talents of Watson and DHop for the most part.
 
Mr teX said:
Should've been expected period b/c its week 1 and the starters didn't play much. everyone around the league is rounding into form.
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We have a young line thrown together with no continuity. A young qb. Young/new te's and young/new rb's learning protections in this offense.

Face it.

New Orleans did exactly what everyone else is going to do until we prove we can stop it. Dl stunts, biltz's from the secondary, and zone dogs till we prove we can beat it. The good news is at least half of the pressure we get can be stymied with film study.
 
JB said:
How was it solely on the OL when they were credited with only 3 sacks allowed?
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Again, we played a team with a reputation for being horrible defensively, especially on the defensive line. That was magnified by having several of their starting and backup linemen not in the game due to injury and suspension. They had to get more aggressive than they wanted, though their 3rd stringer just jumped the snap and embarrassed a triple first round billion dollar man.
 
powda said:
Understood. Failure by Devlin reflects on OB.

The next question is what ol coach(s) was better and available this past offseason?
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powda said:
We have a young line thrown together with no continuity. A young qb. Young/new te's and young/new rb's learning protections in this offense.

Face it.

New Orleans did exactly what everyone else is going to do until we prove we can stop it. Dl stunts, biltz's from the secondary, and zone dogs till we prove we can beat it. The good news is at least half of the pressure we get can be stymied with film study.
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Yes but I think it goes both ways. Other teams will see how the Texans ol blocks and attack vulnerabilities
 
Here are all the Texan's sacks with visuals and breakdowns:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sb...ne-laremy-tunsil-texans-saints-film-breakdown

First play I think they confused Henderson with Tunsil.

Didnt look past the second because....well, I just didn't have the urge to.

But providing the link for anyone who wants to dissect it.

As far as the oline not being solely to blame for all the sacks piling up....that's true. But if I put a percentage on it I'd have to go at least 85%. They didnt take two guys early in the draft and trade the house for Tunsil because "those guys weren't the entire problem".

Every team has sacks given up for other reasons than the OL. But it's pretty safe to say if you're giving up 60+ sacks you've got some big time oline issues.
 
JB said:
How was it solely on the OL when they were credited with only 3 sacks allowed?
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This is kinda one of those "David Carr completed a lot of passes" moments - "only 3 sacks" is wildly misleading. The line got it's butt kicked by backups, Watson took way too many hits in order to target receivers in their routes, and as I mentioned elsewhere, our RB's had to successfully bounce outside of the design to make the run game work.
 
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