That's just crazy talk. Talent for talent, position by position we're right there with them. They simply got it all this year. We've had most of ours for a minute. Mostly through the draft.
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That's just crazy talk. Talent for talent, position by position we're right there with them. They simply got it all this year. We've had most of ours for a minute. Mostly through the draft.
Either way, he can’t distance himself from these deals. We can finally get a feel for how Cal McNair will hold people accountable. If these moves pay off, give everyone a 5 yr extension. If not, clean house and hire a 3rd party to make football decisions.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I think the deals today reflect how bad OB thought Gaine's offseason and draft was.I got half a mind just to come back in a few days after the dust has settled.
At least you can't say it's been boring.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
And it's now time for OB to put up results or starting hiking.
Today’s deals are all about OB. No amount of Teflon can protect him if these deals blow up in his face. That will take the phrase “ButtChin” to a whole new level.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Well, on the one hand we are certainly much better on the offensive side today. Big upgrade at LT and Stills will be a solid receiving contributor. Lost big time defensively - with our agin secondary losing the push from Clowney will hurt.
On the other hand, with us likely having to pay Watson and JJ via new contracts in next few years we don’t have first round picks that could have brought in more top talent in an affordable way.
We really have to win big this season and next for any of today’s moves to remotely make sense,
On the other hand, with us likely having to pay Watson and JJ via new contracts in next few years we don’t have first round picks that could have brought in more top talent in an affordable way.
We really have to win big this season and next for any of today’s moves to remotely make sense,
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Tunsil, Howard, and Scharping are all young and 3/5ths of a line protecting a 23 year old QB. At least the foundation is in and the skill positions are set. First time possibly ever have the Texans had 1st and 2nd round picks the majority of the line with a full cast of veteran skill players including QB. i think the offense will be very good.
Which reminds me, BO'b won't have a 1st or 2nd round pick in his first draft. Judging by the reactions from his use of them today, that's probably a good thing.
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Who would you put at center ?
He would just **** them up if he had them. I’d be interested in getting an honest opinion from Caserio on these moves. OB might’ve gone all in on his BB imitation.
He is not a generational talent. He is an above average LT who may one day be top ten. The trade is bad
Belichick never overpays. This team isn't any better.
Yes.
But the OL is better. Which means our offense will be better. Against the teams we're playing this season we need to score points.
We even have a true WFV replacement just in case we need it.
Howard and scharpring have not shown they are anything special. Tunsil has put up one above average year.
The OL will still be bad. It's tunsil, Fulton and a lot of cap or rookies
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Based on the preseason Zach Fulton...but he has turf toe I think. Martin hasn't been too impressive. I'm kinda meh on Mancz
QB: check
WR: check
RB: Browns
OL: check
DE: check
LB: Check
DB: I mean neither team are all that on the back end.
It will be a bit better but not much. They still have major holes at RT, RB, TE and have rookies at one guard spot at least.
OL? The Texans have two good offensive linemen
You bitched because they didn't address the LT position, they do and you *****
I'm thinking much better.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
This board with the overeactions...Even when you do what they want you to do...
Unending complaining about front office sitting on their hands.
Now unending complaining about front office making trades because "we" think they got shortchanged.
Thinking Clowney took advantage of his hold out when in fact the only advantage he had was that it appears Obrien wanted him gone. Mission accomplished.
We gotta have an LT to protect Watson but we gave up too much to protect our franchise QB.
Lets not wait till the dust settles to actually find out what we have.
And this is from someone who wants Obrien gone.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
They were winning SBs before Trent Brown arrived.
Could be something to do with Brady and the coaching.
Mari-OWNED!
Bucco Bruce
I think we'll have Caserio next year.
Yes they have a smart coach we don't
Unending complaining about front office sitting on their hands.
Now unending complaining about front office making trades because "we" think they got shortchanged.
Thinking Clowney took advantage of his hold out when in fact the only advantage he had was that it appears Obrien wanted him gone. Mission accomplished.
We gotta have an LT to protect Watson but we gave up too much to protect our franchise QB.
Lets not wait till the dust settles to actually find out what we have.
And this is from someone who wants Obrien gone.
The unending complaints are about how stupid the coach and GM are
Tunsil did a fine job in pass protection last season and he's trending up in that way, and that's obviously the problem we need to solve. So good, glad to have him.
And I like Kenny Stills, particularly with his skill set as an insurance for when (not if) Will Fuller goes down. And if we get lucky healthwise then he's just an additional weapon.
But that price though.
As a fan of a team that ain't won sh*t this is gonna sound kinda ridiculous, but this cost as far as I'm concerned translates into super bowl or bust.
The mortgage is signed, pay it off or gtfo Bill.
And I like Kenny Stills, particularly with his skill set as an insurance for when (not if) Will Fuller goes down. And if we get lucky healthwise then he's just an additional weapon.
But that price though.
As a fan of a team that ain't won sh*t this is gonna sound kinda ridiculous, but this cost as far as I'm concerned translates into super bowl or bust.
The mortgage is signed, pay it off or gtfo Bill.
You do what you have to in order to protect your franchise QB.... ya know, so you have a future?
Man, you oughta be doing cartwheels now! Got a good solid LT and got rid of Davenport! All in one deal! Man! Can't beat that!
eriadoc
Texan-American
I am one of the most strident proponents of building the OL ahead of everything else. So now they've gotten a decent to above average LT. In a vacuum, I can't be unhappy about that. And yet I am completely disgusted by the way this team has handled its business all offseason. O'Brien just crippled this team for years to come. He could have given up a 3rd rounder to have Dillard, but instead he panicked and grabbed Tytus Howard. Now he gives away half the farm to get a guy that's probably not going to be any better than Dillard in the long run, and may very well be worse. Meanwhile, that 3rd round pick? Well, we got a TE that probably won't even be on the team after already picking two TEs last draft. I'm no GM, but it doesn't take much to tell when someone's a fkn idiot.
The lack of picks, the future lack of depth because of that, and the opportunity cost over the next few years is all going to contribute to this team being weakened beyond what it should have. I'm thoroughly disgusted. Deshaun Watson is the only thing that can save this team, and without a truly solid team around him, I just think of guys like Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan most years. You can have bad seasons with great QBs. All you have to do is sabotage their efforts with stupid moves.
(to be clear, happy about the LT, not happy about team management)
The lack of picks, the future lack of depth because of that, and the opportunity cost over the next few years is all going to contribute to this team being weakened beyond what it should have. I'm thoroughly disgusted. Deshaun Watson is the only thing that can save this team, and without a truly solid team around him, I just think of guys like Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan most years. You can have bad seasons with great QBs. All you have to do is sabotage their efforts with stupid moves.
(to be clear, happy about the LT, not happy about team management)
This is a list of what I managed to get from many sources. Can't claim it is a 100% accurate. It still short of all the cuts made. Can't find an official list.
CB Briean Boddy-Calhoun
CB Derrick Baity
CB Jermaine Ponder
DL Albert Huggins
DL Joel Heath
DL Malcolm Pridgeon
DT Javier Edwards
LB B.J. Bello
LB Davin Bellamy
LB Jesse Aniebonam
LB Tyrell Adams
OG Marquice Shakir
OL Christian DiLauro
OLB Gimel President
OLB Jamal Davis
OT Rick Leonard
P Bryan Anger
QB Jordan Ta’amu
RB Damarea Crockett
RB Josh Ferguson
RB Karan Higdon
S A.J. Hendy
S Austin Exford
WR Chad Hansen
WR Floyd Allen
WR Jester Weah
WR Johnnie Dixon
WR Steven Mitchell
WR Tyron Johnson
WR Vyncint Smith
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First-round picks don’t get traded very often in the NFL. They almost never get traded for established players. Odell Beckham could only fetch one first-round pick. Keyshawn Johnson fetched two. Khalil Mack fetched two. Ricky Williams. Jay Cutler. Jeff George. Herschel Walker. Fredd Young. Eric Dickerson. Jim Everett. The only player on the list of people who fetched two who we don’t think of as a waste of the picks is Mack, and that’s only because we don’t know the entire story of that trade yet because it’s so young.
Teams that are trading two first-round picks are expecting either a transformational result to their team, a window for winning now that will soon close, or both. I think Tunsil is both a really good left tackle and someone who can’t possibly live up to the billing of this price tag. I don’t think Joe Thomas or Anthony Munoz in their primes could live up to this price tag. The person I feel the most for with this trade as far as how his on-field stock will suffer is Tunsil — he may have more leverage than any tackle has ever had, but he is not an entire offensive line unto himself. He won’t make Nick Martin block better. He can’t make Howard be NFL-ready on Day 1. Left tackle was the biggest part of Houston’s offensive line failures, but it was hardly the only part. He has now become a talking point in the sacks debate — he’ll be memed relentlessly any time Watson takes multiple sacks in the same series — and he doesn’t really deserve that. The expectations that are about to be thrust on him are going to define his career more than his play."
https://www.riversmccown.com/2019/08/31/the-reckoning-of-bill-obriens-power/
First-round picks don’t get traded very often in the NFL. They almost never get traded for established players. Odell Beckham could only fetch one first-round pick. Keyshawn Johnson fetched two. Khalil Mack fetched two. Ricky Williams. Jay Cutler. Jeff George. Herschel Walker. Fredd Young. Eric Dickerson. Jim Everett. The only player on the list of people who fetched two who we don’t think of as a waste of the picks is Mack, and that’s only because we don’t know the entire story of that trade yet because it’s so young.
Teams that are trading two first-round picks are expecting either a transformational result to their team, a window for winning now that will soon close, or both. I think Tunsil is both a really good left tackle and someone who can’t possibly live up to the billing of this price tag. I don’t think Joe Thomas or Anthony Munoz in their primes could live up to this price tag. The person I feel the most for with this trade as far as how his on-field stock will suffer is Tunsil — he may have more leverage than any tackle has ever had, but he is not an entire offensive line unto himself. He won’t make Nick Martin block better. He can’t make Howard be NFL-ready on Day 1. Left tackle was the biggest part of Houston’s offensive line failures, but it was hardly the only part. He has now become a talking point in the sacks debate — he’ll be memed relentlessly any time Watson takes multiple sacks in the same series — and he doesn’t really deserve that. The expectations that are about to be thrust on him are going to define his career more than his play."
https://www.riversmccown.com/2019/08/31/the-reckoning-of-bill-obriens-power/
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Yep, I thought the Seattle fleece was bad. They just topped it in one day.
Worst trade they've ever made in franchise history. They should have just accepted the fact that they blew this off season to fix the Oline, but now they've mortgaged the future drafts for a new HC.
Where are those clowns that acted like not having a GM wouldn't be a big deal?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
This board with the overeactions...Even when you do what they want you to do...
Man, every post of yours is outrage over other people's reactions that you call overreactions on a franchise that people in the media have just called totally dysfunctional led by one of the dumbest head coaches in the league. What have you been right about regarding the Texans ever?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The addition of Tunsil brings value 2 fold in the sense that we have a young up and coming very talented LT to lock down the o-line and the fact that it appears our most valuable asset in DW4 is no longer in danger of being ruined by bad
The draft is a crapshoot and I can think of just as many teams in recent memory who had a ton of draft capital and it amounted to nothing as I can of those who built great teams off of them.
The draft is a crapshoot and I can think of just as many teams in recent memory who had a ton of draft capital and it amounted to nothing as I can of those who built great teams off of them.
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Something Witty !
I agree on Fulton and think Kelemete is more valuable than Martin .
Max
Veteran
I feel sorry for Tunsil for all the pressure this puts him under living up to the trade. It's a tough spot to be in.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Well, now we got see how quickly this all gets on the same page. Lots of new faces and we literally are gonna roll out an oline and backfield that hasnt played together.
Maybe this will make OB simplify everything like DW4 first year.
I'm literally in a love hate relationship with the texans right now. Things to get so giddy about but every reason to see this crashing and burning
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
This is going to be an all-time in sports history bad trade. It will be remembered forever like the Herschel walker trade.
frethack
Rookie
The only great thing about watching the Texans every year is knowing that we at least aren't watching the Dolphins.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
How the hell do these homers Texan fans not realize that they're going to use a ton of cap space on Tunsil when they could have waited one other season and drafted a LT just like they should have last season. They'd eventually have a very strong Oline, but throwing away a bunch of future drafts because of one failed one has become a total disaster that will cause hell for years. I can't like this post enough, because it simply is true.
If I saw that the Texans dealt just one first-round selection for Tunsil, I would have thought, "That's a bit too pricey, but I can see why they did it." Instead, they gave up TWO first-rounders and a second-rounder for Tunsil and Kenny Stills. It's unbelievable.
Tunsil is a good left tackle, so he'll automatically be an upgrade on the blind side. However, he's not a great player; at least not yet. He's still young, so he can improve, but Tunsil is not worth one first-round choice, let alone two. Stills, meanwhile, is a fine receiver, but the Texans already have a better version of him in Will Fuller.
As I wrote earlier, I was thinking about bringing back the Millen grade for what O'Brien did in the Clowney trade. Now, I'm really thinking about it, but Facebook friend Sam B. recommended that I now call "F" grades "O'Briens." I like it. The Texans get an O'Brien for this ridiculous trade.
Meanwhile, if you're a Dolphins fan, you have to feel very optimistic about the future. The team is already tanking for Tua Tagovailoa, and now it'll have three other first-round picks over the next couple of seasons - as well as an extra second - to surround Tagovailoa with great talent.
Grade for Texans - O'BRIEN (Z-)
Grade for Dolphins - A+
https://walterfootball.com/nfltrades.php
Tunsil is a good left tackle, so he'll automatically be an upgrade on the blind side. However, he's not a great player; at least not yet. He's still young, so he can improve, but Tunsil is not worth one first-round choice, let alone two. Stills, meanwhile, is a fine receiver, but the Texans already have a better version of him in Will Fuller.
As I wrote earlier, I was thinking about bringing back the Millen grade for what O'Brien did in the Clowney trade. Now, I'm really thinking about it, but Facebook friend Sam B. recommended that I now call "F" grades "O'Briens." I like it. The Texans get an O'Brien for this ridiculous trade.
Meanwhile, if you're a Dolphins fan, you have to feel very optimistic about the future. The team is already tanking for Tua Tagovailoa, and now it'll have three other first-round picks over the next couple of seasons - as well as an extra second - to surround Tagovailoa with great talent.
Grade for Texans - O'BRIEN (Z-)
Grade for Dolphins - A+
https://walterfootball.com/nfltrades.php
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Has anyone sat back and asked themselves how the hell Kenny Stills and the McNair family are going to get along? 
I can't think of two parties that are worse for each other. Does Stills have any idea of the history of the Mcnairs and their beliefs? Lol!
I can't think of two parties that are worse for each other. Does Stills have any idea of the history of the Mcnairs and their beliefs? Lol!