So not exactly a fire sale after all? I respect that.
well, within reason, haha! My position is, as fantasy GM of the Redskins on this message board, trying to make a deal, any player is available off my team's roster because the nobody is expendable with this garbage franchise but it doesnt mean i'll give away a pack of linemen for pennies on the dollar. i'm sure we would argue the pennies on the dollar point. but, lets continue....
However the lure for Scherff is not having to compete a year from now.
that's assuming you can get him to sign long term now. he and his agent appear interested in getting to unrestricted free agency after this season to see what they can fetch with multiple bidders. you could risk making a deal for a guy that will leave your team in 2020.
The buyers pain that you desire was in giving you 2 Seconds for Williams & P.
and that's a deal that I would accept.....
As you know the latter is not worth that; he just came out as a fifth-rounder this draft.
agreed. he's the guy you wanted to bump up the ROI, in your estimation, of this deal for your team and I'm okay with that. i'd be looking for the same compensation if piersbacher
wasnt in the deal and we were only talking about williams, a top 3 best LT in football. (In my and most evaluators opinion). being that im such a nice guy (i'm not an eagles or cowboys fan!), and more importantly, being that I want to make a deal to get something in return for a guy who doesnt want to play for us anymore, I'll include the alabama center in an effort to get this deal done with you, if that's what it would take. But understand I'd be looking for the same compensation minimum even without Piers.
Using the Duane Brown to Seattle as an example of a third round and a second the following year I'm giving you a whole lot more for Williams.
ehhh, "a whole more"? More like one round more, right?
Duane Brown deal netted you guys a 2nd and a 3rd
The deal between me and you representing our teams is a 2nd and a 2nd. it's more, I get that. But
a whole lot more? they are similar caliber players which is best of breed at their position. I think Brown was a year or two older than Williams is now. so, with that said, fair enough, if we use this former deal as a reference point, I see and concede your point for including another player (piers). with that said, understand that a pair of reporters in washington with quality sources are adamant that washington already received an offer (from NE) for a #1 for Williams, for what that's worth...
I am way over paying for your left tackle.
as mentioned above, i disagree with the characterization of "way overpaying" for a hall of fame caliber Left Tackle in his prime ( 7 straight pro bowls up through and including this past season) based on the idea of 2 #2s, particularly when comparing it your justifiable trade comp of your own LT a few years ago that went for only one round's draft position lower. (a 3rd vs a 2nd). this is fun arguing / defending our teams!
i'm not in agreement that you are "way overpaying." particularly since I am using in my argument the, admittedly rumored recent proposal from NE of a #1 for williams alone....
I am willing to give you a third knowing you should be open to some my overpayment for P. towards bringing Scherff to my side of the table. You know your roster. You know you're not starting Haskins this season so no risk to your future. You also know that Penn will be suitable at left tackle for at least this season if not longer. Christian Geron should be moved to left guard soon.
I
dont know Penn will be suitable. he signed like 5 minutes ago. He does not know the offense. he's only played a handful of preseason snaps. His play slipped tremendously a year ago in oakland from what I've been told and he's coming off a season ending injury, he was about to retire, and he's 36. No, I
don't know how Penn will do.
I also have an impetulant owner who may force my head coach to play the rookie QB at some point this season. How do I know this? Because he's done this routine before, several times. In fact, he's the reason why Haskins is on the roster in the first place. Apparently no one wanted to draft Haskins in the 1st round in washington other than the owner. not the scouting dept, not the coaching staff. so, no, im not sure the team's most important marketable asset who is still very much a kid wont be on the field some point this season trying to survive with an almost-retired LT, a LG who YOU are better than, and no veteran depth.
As I said earlier your first round pick that you have correctly identified as being really high grabs you one of the best players in football at any position. If you choose not to improve your roster with the wide receiver jeudy, you can trade down and get at least an additional first round pick to fill out your roster plus probably two 2 more picks. I'm giving you three extra picks in the first three rounds.
you're giving me three picks in rounds 2 and 3. not round 1. what I do with my own first round pick is my own business and it has nothing to do with the texans or this deal. and at what expense to my offensive line? this would turn my offensive line into a complete sieve and rebuild project and strip it of all of it's remaining talent. i'm not saying i wouldnt do it (i'm the fire sale guy!) but I'm not handing these guys away either. if trent williams is the top rated OT in the NFL or close to it, what is Brandon Scherf? Probably a top rated guard or close to it as well. Washington has two A rated players currently on its roster. And it's those two guys. And you want them as a package without even offering a 1? You get these two guys, and in one deal, the texans offensive line becomes strong, your QB is no longer in jeopardy, your passing game can have more 5 step drops, you can run longer patterns, your running game opens up, your entire offense goes transformed. and for this transformation in acquiring an unquestioned pro bowl caliber LT and Guard, you're offering my a 3rd and a couple of twos? After NE already offered me, alledgedly, a #1 for Williams alone? Not enough. i cant rebuild my team good enough with 3s and 2s. i need another 1 to make any headway in the form of a trade. this deal as you design it begins with a 1.
Don't be greedy LOL! My offer is a great deal.
i dont think it is, haha. in fact, extremeskins message board members would chase off the board if i came back to them with 2 #2s and a 3rd for Scherrf, williams, and the rookie center. they'd take away my posting privileges. again, i can deal, and I like the back and forth with you, you're reasonable, your knowlegable, your open minded, and your willing to deal, all great attributes, but we're not close enough if you want to basically import my oline to texas.
Again your first should become at least two first-round picks with a trade down.
that's not selling me at all. the redskins organic 1st round pick in 2020 is our business and has nothing to do with the texans. there's no guarantees i can move down. there's no guarantees i
want to move down when im on the clock and there's a player avail to me. the deal we need to agree upon in august 2019 is not going to be rooted in what I might (or might not) be able to do with the skins #1 next draft day. our deal is its own entity.
Seriously really enjoy the back and forth!
me too, and a token of admiration for the quality of conversation I find it incumbent upon me, as the "seller" in this arrangement to again make my sales pitch to you, the prospective buyer. And it goes like this:
The Texans are a top half of the AFC conference team. As it is constructed now, it is considered a playoff team receiving the 6th best odds in the AFC to win the SB and I would be remiss if I didnt mention there's been some news I think I might have heard, since we started this conversation, about your division that can only help your team here in the short term. One of the well known deficiencies of the Texans has been the inability in recent years to keep your excellent young QB from getting hit so much. IN washington, we have arguably the best pass protector at the most important offensive line position (LT) that we are willing to deal. Williams' in your lineup doesnt just shore up your LT position. He helps your entire offensive line (now as other interior linemen can afford to do more combo blocks while leaving williams 1 on 1 with the games best pass rushers). He helps your receivers run deeper routes, he helps your running game, he is the fastest linemen in football, he will get to the second level on sweeps and screens and take out linebackers and safeties like you havent seen before and most imporantly his presense will boost your young QB's confidence in the pocket to hold the ball longer, and make bigger plays down the field. FWIW, Adam SChefter compared Williams' trade comp to a back-in-the-day trade of Gary Zimmerman from Minnesota to Denver for a 1st, 2nd and a 6th(?) and said a deal involving williams has to start with a #1. Link :
https://thebiglead.com/2019/08/13/adam-schefter-trent-williams-trade-demand-redskins/
We alledgedly already turned down a #1 from NE and have had received calls from "a few teams" regarding Williams. People in the NFL know what Williams is. He's a top flight DIFFERENCE MAKER at the game's most important position (other than QB). He lives in the area and would make a major difference to the 2019 and beyond prospects of the Texans. He's not just a guy. He can be the missing piece. I would accept two #2s for him while including the rookie center we drafted in the 5th round this year. I cannot include Brandon Scherrf for several reasons, least of which, is just being able to fill out a roster. for a redskin team that has led the NFL in games lost to injury the past two seasons combined, i cant ship 3 Olinemen out, not at the compensation of a 3rd and two seconds, certainly. Scherff by himself, a guy who's about 26? could easily fetch a 2nd round pick by himself if not more than that. I will not put scherrf in our deal here not unless the compensation goes WAY up. as it stands, williams and piers for 2020 and 2021 #2s and your offense will now be able to raise its game with williams in your lineup.