Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
He's running out of people to blame. RAC, you're next in line.
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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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He's running out of people to blame. RAC, you're next in line.
I thought it was Devlin. Or maybe Olsen now?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Didn’t OB play JJ Watt when he was hurt that contributed to his first back operation?
OB has been killing the team and players for a long time.
Now he is doing it in the GM spot.
Yes used him as RB. Run up the middle of course. With wilfork blocking. Genius
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
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Something Witty !
The Texans and Billy O have made Clowney feel less than welcome and now have to wait for JD so they can make a move . I'm thinking JD is in no big hurry and is enjoying making Bill squirm .
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Yeah - this is taking longer than expected and right now Clowney holds most of the cards. You have to think we could have handled this better on our end...
Would you trade Clowney to the Eagles for Vaita/ Jordan Mailata/Smallwood and a 2nd.
I've read that Mailata has looked good this offseason and has franchise LT potential. Sadly Devlin isn't the guy to get the best out of him.
I've read that Mailata has looked good this offseason and has franchise LT potential. Sadly Devlin isn't the guy to get the best out of him.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
I don’t know why Philly would make that deal.
BOBdaFRAUD
Waterboy
Why is hell would Clowney would ever want to play for BOB.
He will be traded, for our sake I hope we get a better deal.
He will be traded, for our sake I hope we get a better deal.
They have great depth and need à pass rusher.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I remember when the “smart clique” here said that Clowney didn’t have any leverage.
Lol.
Lol.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Sorry - should have been clearer. The bodies plus a second rounder seems like too much to give from their perspective. That being said, seems like a good deal for us so we should hope something along those lines occurs.
It has to be the owners (McNairs). We (fans) sure would not still have BOB as the coach. We may be screwed because I don't see ownership changing in the near future.
frethack
Rookie
Who knows...I've been thinking about taking on a second job. Give me a millennium and I'll make the McNairs an offer they cant refuse.
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Yr 2 of a 3 yr rebuild
The timing on trading JD is bad in other words we are dealing from a position of weakness right now but blame O'Brien and the ownership on the situation we are in
and former GM Brian G. could also be blamed but since he's not here anymore, well anyway......
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Sooner or later Clowney must sign the tag. Too much at stake not to.
Money and accrued season benefits at stake.
Team might lose his services for the season but Clowney is in no position to sit out.
Team holds the cards ie the money and his future.
Clowney will sign and play. Then tagged again if the team doesn't get suitable compensation for him.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
BTW what is tolling a contract?
Money and accrued season benefits at stake.
Team might lose his services for the season but Clowney is in no position to sit out.
Team holds the cards ie the money and his future.
Clowney will sign and play. Then tagged again if the team doesn't get suitable compensation for him.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
BTW what is tolling a contract?
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
Trades are best done before or during the draft process. GM’s have done their roster assessments, cap room and flexibility is maximum that’s not even including their competitive nature to build own vision.
I’d say Clowney plays for Texans 2019 season and still has chance to improve his sack numbers and justify even bigger contract or be traded before/during 2020 NFL Draft.
I’d say Clowney plays for Texans 2019 season and still has chance to improve his sack numbers and justify even bigger contract or be traded before/during 2020 NFL Draft.
I'm definitely not in the "smart clique" but I don't see what leverage he has. If the Texans don't want to pay him... there's still no reason for them to change their minds.
If the Texans want to trade him... this only makes them want to trade him more.
If Clowney wants to get paid, he has to sign his offer, the tag.
If Clowney wants to get traded, he has to sign the tag.
If Clowney wants a new deal, he's got to wait.
No one has any leverage here. We're way past that.
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True but what happens if he signs one day before the season starts .
We've been hearing rumors about trading JD since before the draft. If they've been shopping him that long the only thing I can see is they over valued him.
Then with the rumor about JD turning down Miami's offer, it sounds like JD over values himself.
Imagine other teams are involved. We can deduce no one wants to give up two firsts. From the Miami rumor we know the Texans are willing to negotiate compensation. We can also deduce no one wants to pay Clowney what he wants to get paid & give up draft compensation.
They'll wait until he's a FA. In which case, if I were the Texans, won't be until 2021.
No position to sit out? Why? He could sit out a year and go to the highest bidder the next year. Think about it from his POV. If he signs tender he is going to wherever BOB sends him and gets a guarantee what 15 million or so? That’s great but what if he destroys his knee while playing on that tender for some shitty team? Now it’s almost a given he will never get a mega deal. If he sits out teams will be lining up to give him a long term mega contract.Sooner or later Clowney must sign the tag. Too much at stake not to.
Money and accrued season benefits at stake.
Team might lose his services for the season but Clowney is in no position to sit out.
Team holds the cards ie the money and his future.
Clowney will sign and play. Then tagged again if the team doesn't get suitable compensation for him.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
BTW what is tolling a contract?
Him sitting out is his trump card right now. BOB played hard ball with him (“the balls in Clooney’s court” remember?) now it’s Clowneys turn to play hard ball. You trade me where I want to go or I’ll sit out a year and you will get nothing.
Eagles fan here. TONS of talk about trying to trade Clowney by fans and local beat writers around here. Like some of you guys pointed out it makes sense on paper: we could use an edge rusher, we play in a scheme that theoretically could be a good fit for him (4-3 with a wide-9ish scheme), and we have good depth at OT and RB.
There are a few issues there though unfortunately
- The Eagles brass puts a premium on OL and OL depth. We have a ton of depth right now but Vaitai is gone next year and Peters is retiring any year now so that depth can go away quickly
- We also have a lot of cap space locked into Wentz, Cox, Johnson, Graham, etc. Howie Roseman is a cap-space wizard but still if Clowney is angling for a big pay-day I'm not sure the Eagles have the flexibility to do it.
- Mailata has shown a crazy amount of promise for a guy who never played before last year (look up Brian Baldinger's take on him, he absolutely gushes over the guy). But the reality is he is still very very raw. Great upside but I would imagine you guys are mostly focused on protecting Watson now. Vaitai has shown he can be a capable tackle but has also been inconsistent and needs to be schemed around. Peters would probably retire if he was traded and Johnson/Dillard are likely untouchable.
There are a few issues there though unfortunately
- The Eagles brass puts a premium on OL and OL depth. We have a ton of depth right now but Vaitai is gone next year and Peters is retiring any year now so that depth can go away quickly
- We also have a lot of cap space locked into Wentz, Cox, Johnson, Graham, etc. Howie Roseman is a cap-space wizard but still if Clowney is angling for a big pay-day I'm not sure the Eagles have the flexibility to do it.
- Mailata has shown a crazy amount of promise for a guy who never played before last year (look up Brian Baldinger's take on him, he absolutely gushes over the guy). But the reality is he is still very very raw. Great upside but I would imagine you guys are mostly focused on protecting Watson now. Vaitai has shown he can be a capable tackle but has also been inconsistent and needs to be schemed around. Peters would probably retire if he was traded and Johnson/Dillard are likely untouchable.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
JD controls everything. As has been evidenced by the MIA trade that didnt go through. All was contingent on JD agreeing that he would like to play long term in MIA, but since MIA didnt get that reassurance (was JDs management even in the preliminary talks?) further exasperated by the fact that JD was READY TO PLAY FOR THE TEXANS ON THE FRANCHISE TAG he felt some kind of way about it all. HUMAN RELATIONS! The man was on the verge of reporting and the stupid ass people on Kirby fked it all up.
Who knows who is where right now? JD COULD sit out all season. The Texans COULD just say 'screw him' and let him sit and then franchise again next year, but there are optics involved. Fans will not care and treat him like an indentured servant. Players will see how this plays out and no doubt will be swayed in the future about coming here. A good tactician is necessary, an experienced personnel guy who can reach out to these players and agents. Bill OBrien doesnt strike me as a guy who would be easy to work with in this regard. Dont ask me why just a hunch.
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I'm pretty sure Brandon Brooks will not give any ringing endorsements to the Texans either . Maybe they can do a three way trade with Miami . Eagles get Clowney , Miami gets draft picks , Texans get Tunsil .
Don't worry, OBrien will eventually fold and trade him for your backup RB.
If he sits out the year he’s a free agent next year. We can’t tag him again.
Forgot about that connection. If it's true Clowney shut down the Miami trade for Tunsil it's a shame. I think that would have worked out pretty well for you guys. I'm having a hard time finding an ideal trade partner that will make both the Texans and Clowney happy.
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Something Witty !
The Redskins or Panthers is probably where Clowney would like to go .
Tweet from @johngranato: Watch for something to happen soon. Clowney very unhappy with his agent. He doesn’t think Bus Cook had a good enough plan. When he signs his tender he thinks he’s headed to Miami. They will have two franchise years to convince him to stay long term.
... so we start the clock again.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
You sure about that? I could have sworn I read that in the LeVeon Bell situation for instance that the Steelers COULD HAVE franchised him again, but chose to relinquish his rights? I could be wrong though id love to be further educated on all these CBA technicalities.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
At least the rumor mongers are learning - they have stopped giving a time frame like 'within the next 24-48 hours' and are now just going with 'happen soon'. Much more ambiguous and less damaging to their 'credibility'.
Problem is the Redskins are pretty loaded there already with Kerrigan Sweat and Anderson. Maybe I'm wrong here but I'm pretty sure you guys use him in a similar role to the way Washington uses Kerrigan so they'd have to change someone's role a bit. Not that any team can't find a way to make use of a talent like Clowney, I'm just not sure it's an ideal fit for them.
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The Redskins aren't a good fit but Clowney might like to get closer to home so he likes it .
Is this the deal that supposed to send Tunsil our way ?
And why would Clwoney do this now when he woulnd't agree to go toMiami previously ?
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I find some of the trade proposals from other teams completely laughable. He may not fit our culture, it could be the team doesn’t want two 100mil dollar players in the same position group or whatever the case may be the fact remains he is an excellent player. If BOB trades him for peanuts his seat will be as hot as any coaches in the NFLs. Cal just fired a GM will 3 years remaining while still paying his former gm RS.
Yes it isn’t the most opportune time to trade him and he does have some leverage, but the thing we have going for us is it appears that there are multiple suitors. That should help off set the poor timing from our side.
And yes we can franchise him next year, or the team we trade him to can as well. Even if he sits we can franchise him. The Bell situation is different be cause for Pitts to franchise him again this season would have been the third time under the tag which means he would get QB money
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-a-stand-with-decision-to-sit-out-2018-season
To me Dillard for Clowney is a win-win. They are dealing a promising player from a position group of strength to gain a proven player at a position where they have a need. Clowney is a perfect scheme fit for their defense and it makes Philly a strong SB contender. And for people saying Dillard is untouchable, you should pump the brakes a bit. He’s looked good against vanilla pre season defenses playing primarily against back ups. He was the 23rd pick of the first round, if he was a can’t miss prospect there’s no way he lasts that long. Obviously he’s talented, that’s why we’d want him. Philadelphia has excellent starting OTs this season and good backups as well. They’d be trading a guy that might not see the field this season for a guy that would be their best DL and make them a top contender in the NFC.
Yes it isn’t the most opportune time to trade him and he does have some leverage, but the thing we have going for us is it appears that there are multiple suitors. That should help off set the poor timing from our side.
And yes we can franchise him next year, or the team we trade him to can as well. Even if he sits we can franchise him. The Bell situation is different be cause for Pitts to franchise him again this season would have been the third time under the tag which means he would get QB money
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-a-stand-with-decision-to-sit-out-2018-season
To me Dillard for Clowney is a win-win. They are dealing a promising player from a position group of strength to gain a proven player at a position where they have a need. Clowney is a perfect scheme fit for their defense and it makes Philly a strong SB contender. And for people saying Dillard is untouchable, you should pump the brakes a bit. He’s looked good against vanilla pre season defenses playing primarily against back ups. He was the 23rd pick of the first round, if he was a can’t miss prospect there’s no way he lasts that long. Obviously he’s talented, that’s why we’d want him. Philadelphia has excellent starting OTs this season and good backups as well. They’d be trading a guy that might not see the field this season for a guy that would be their best DL and make them a top contender in the NFC.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/mia
Clowney , Davenport , Kalil , and Martin for Tunsil and Minkah Fitzpatrick .
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Mangler
Toro de España
Finally, something new. Looks like Clowney’s agent really screwed the pooch! Lol
Virtually no chance the Eagles would do that. Yeah he is unproven but Stoutland is arguably the best OL coach in the game and he traded up for the guy. He very clearly views him as the future LT as soon as next year if Peters retires. His preseason performance, while worth very little, has done nothing but reinforce that he is an elite pass protection prospect (admittedly still needs to work on run blocking). Having a potential future LT on a rookie contract is hugely valuable when you're paying several other franchise players like Wentz Cox and Johnson.
To be clear I think Clowney could be a stud and almost definitely helps us more than Dillard does this year. But he's playing under the franchise tag and we couldn't even enter extension talks with him. Not only is there a good chance he turns into a rental, but signing him mean we have virtually no money to roll over into next year (right now I believe we're only projected 4 million in 2020, Howie loves to roll money over when he can). Historically it just seems like a very un-Roseman/un-Stoutland move.
OK that's your imaginary trade with your imaginary packages.
I'd be delighted to give the Dolphins Clowney and those other thee guys who colltively have litle value for just Tunsil.
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We could throw in some more also .
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Surely the trade wont happen during the texans luncheon
You may be right about that. I no expert either.
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I hear you and he’s definitely a good prospect (that’s why we’d want him). I had this as a straight up trade, therefore you’d have a first rd next to draft another rookie OT and you could be in the same situation next year. Additionally, I cannot imagine Clowney not wanting to resign with you guys, he’d be in a perfect scheme fit, you guys have young talent and a great young QB. It’s truly a win-win IMHO
To me, if you have a shot to win the SB you have to take it. Philadelphia is a contender this year, with Clowney I’d move them to strong contender perhaps a 3 -way tie with NO and the LAR. Clowney and Graham would give you guys a strong pass rush, which you’ll need against those 2 teams.
Also, I believe a good, fair trade should hurt both teams a little, while making you better at the same time. I believe my proposal does that for both teams. You guys lose a promising young T while keeping your 1st to replace him next off season. Our DL would take a big hit but we’d be one step closer to keeping DW out of the ER
It's gonna take a big chip. Sombody like Bernard McKinney plus JD might bring Tunsil.
zshawn10
All Pro
Unhappy with the state of talks about his future, Jadeveon Clowney recently fired his longtime agent, Bus Cook, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. Clowney was originally expected to report to the #Texans this week, but has yet to sign his franchise tender.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) August 27, 2019
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) August 27, 2019