Yes, we know O'Brien changes his mind after pushing for a guy and ruining the relationship
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Will Easterby and Obrien go after talent now?
- Thread starter Mangler
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Yes, we know O'Brien changes his mind after pushing for a guy and ruining the relationship
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/201...fect-texans-interim-gm-deal-jadeveon-clowney/
That means he leans on his scouting dept. I seriously, seriously, seriously doubt that Easterby will have any influence, whatsoever, over personnel decisions. He has even less experience than Olsen has.
From what McLain has said, Bazirgan will head up all of the scouting stuff and Easterby will lead the rest of football ops outside of scouting (the other part of Gaines job).
And considering his title and that they listened to him in firing Gaine, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a lot of input into free agency and trades
Mangler
Toro de España
So basically you’re saying that it was Easterby who pushed Roby, Calhoun, and Khalil and not Gaine? So, what was Gaine’s job then? If what you’re saying is true, then Brian Gaine was fired unjustly.
No, im saying easterby will take over some of the GM duties now that gaine is gone.
Those players were brought in because the coaches wanted them
Os was RS guy and McNair pushed RS into making a terrible decision.
Sure.
Texansballer74
The Marine
badboy
Hall of Fame
Beat me to it. In my mind overwhelmingly Bob McNair wanted Osweiler as he thought that's the Savior for his team. Rick Smith went along as a yes man.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Y'all are all giving McNair far too much individual player opinion. Things we actually know:
1) McNair was frustrated and said get a damn QB.
2) OB hates rookie QBs.
3) Oz was considered well above everyone else as the best FA QB.
Add it up and Oz was a consensus default.
The DW pick is when RS is rumored to have said FU you're coaching a rookie.
1) McNair was frustrated and said get a damn QB.
2) OB hates rookie QBs.
3) Oz was considered well above everyone else as the best FA QB.
Add it up and Oz was a consensus default.
The DW pick is when RS is rumored to have said FU you're coaching a rookie.
Dejaview
All Pro
I’ve read different pieces on the Texans current structure. Basically Gaines functions have been spread to Easterby, OB, and Barzigan. Olsen remains a contract guy. There is increasing talk in the NFL media that a GM isn’t what he used to be. I sometimes wonder if we even intend to hire a GM now. If so many functions now spread around these three will have to be concentrated in the new hire otherwise they will never get over the lateral move hurdle.
I believe BO'b wanted to give Hoyer another shot, but Bob said, "Hell no!!"
After which BO'b did a thorough search & settled on Osweiler. Rick took a look, agreed with BO'b that Os would satisfy Bob & made it happen.
Shortly after spending some time with Os, BO'b realized he's an idiot & regretted the decision. After several conversations with Rick they both agreed to make the best of the situation and make it through the season.
Why do you think Easterby was behind firing Gaine?
We know they wanted to hire Cesario last January, before Easterby was hired. If anything they were probably sitting around smoking Cigars & Cal mentioned how Gaine was their 4th choice. Mentioned he wanted Cesario & Easterby was all, "Hey, we have the same agent & I'll see him at the ring ceremony. I'll tell him you said hi."
One thing led to another & here we are.
1st off, quoting McLame doesn't help your argument. Seriously. What you're saying about Easterby doesn't make a lick of sense. Having Bazirgan head up scouting and reporting to the officially named interim GM (Chris Olsen) makes all the sense in the world. What we're going to see is another clusterfvck as far as being able to tell who was actually made the call come 2020 FA and draft. The only difference from the RS era is that there is definitely a 3 man circus going on between Bazirgan, Olsen and OB. All this Easterby stuff is just because of how everything went down with NE.
Albert Breer wrote that easterby was ultimately behind it as he came in to assess the entire organization.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/10/h...-caserio-cam-newton-panthers-joe-douglas-jets
In retrospect, maybe we all should’ve paid a little more attention on April 2.
That was the day that former Patriot culture coach Jack Easterby—who chose to walk away from New England in the aftermath of Robert Kraft’s solicitation charge—was hired by the Texans as their executive vice president of team development, choosing Houston from a host of NFL options he had for 2019. It was also the day, evidently, that the wheels started spinning on what would go down late in the day last Friday.
Now that this is over, and the Texans have fired GM Brian Gaine, Houston is head coach Bill O’Brien’s operation more than it’s ever been. Which is interesting, because that’s exactly what we were all saying when Gaine was hired from Buffalo 17 months ago.
So here’s the takeaway from the Texans stunner: The NFL is a coach’s league.
In New England, Easterby’s title was character coach/team development, and some characterized his role as the team’s “life coach.” He touched a little bit of everything on the football side of the franchise and, just as important, graded it all for Bill Belichick. As one ex-co-worker there described him, “He’s smart as sh--, has really good perspective on a lot of things, and is an incredible resource for the head coach.”
Those who know Easterby swear it’s unfair to see him as O’Brien’s assassin. That’s not who he is as a person, they say. But it’s not hard to see where those on Kirby Drive were adding Easterby’s old job description to his new title, and figuring that everyone could be on notice. Predictably, tension followed.
Just as clear was who was responsible for his hire.
Easterby landed in Houston two months ago because O’Brien wanted him badly—badly enough for the Texans to outbid the Panthers and Dolphins, among others, for his services. As a result, Easterby got the EVP title. Subsequently, Easterby’s hire quietly set into motion an unofficial assessment, top to bottom, of where Houston’s football operation stood.
Again, the NFL is a coach’s league. The four coaches who played in the conference championships in January—Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Sean McVay and Belichick—all carry a big stick in their respective organizations, and it doesn’t stop at the white lines. If you have a good one, and the Texans believe they do, chances are that guy’s voice will resonate. Accordingly, history tells us sustained winners generally empower their coaches.
While the McNair family surprised many by siding with O’Brien in his power struggle with former GM Rick Smith in early 2018, it was never hard to figure the logic. And just as O’Brien won over Smith, 15 months later, O’Brien got Easterby, which would ultimately lead to a second GM being pushed out in a span that encompassed all of 17 games for the franchise.
Os was a RS and OB trying to please the boss and find a damn QB. I'm still not mad about the signing and I'm still furious that they gave up a 2nd to save $$. BTW, that's exactly why you don't go around signing every (consensus) decent FA to a record breaking contract.
Yeah... reading that sounds like O'Brien is pulling the strings.
True...that is probably a better interpretation
beerlover
Hall of Fame
1st off, quoting McLame doesn't help your argument. Seriously. What you're saying about Easterby doesn't make a lick of sense. Having Bazirgan head up scouting and reporting to the officially named interim GM (Chris Olsen) makes all the sense in the world. What we're going to see is another clusterfvck as far as being able to tell who was actually made the call come 2020 FA and draft. The only difference from the RS era is that there is definitely a 3 man circus going on between Bazirgan, Olsen and OB. All this Easterby stuff is just because of how everything went down with NE.
I wish that was correct, but Olsen has just been a guy who does contracts and makes sure they comply with league rules and probably calculates the cap impact. Not scout or moneyball guy
Bazinga was brought in by Gaine. So there's that.
So it doesn't make sense but I think easterby will be involved with obrien and Crennel on personnel
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am hoping that O'Brien's choice of players from the evaluations of our scout team will get our 2020 draft. Olsen keeps all under cap and Easterby does whatever he does to make players better. After 2020 draft, Caserio is here. I'm hoping what we have can get us some vets before trade deadlines.
Interesting. A few weeks ago they resorted to tampering in order to get the opportunity just to interview Caserio for the gm position, but now suddenly they don't even need a gm and gms aren't even that important these days anyways. Nice coping mechanism. McClain the puppet and Harris the shill couldn't have said it any better themselves.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Or the Texans feel like it's better to wait for a year to get the guy they want.
lol.....so they do need a gm then? Hard to keep track what the current “all is positive” narrative is.
So, if they do need a gm, then it stands to reason the current structure they’ve come up with for the 2019 season is far from ideal.
That should be obvious already, but you Homer’s are a stubborn bunch.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well of course the GM spot being empty is not the ideal situation. It doesn't take a homer to see that, anyone following the team. Will be interesting however if we are successful in picking up some veteran through trades that improve the roster. Perhaps they will look at not needing Caserio after all if that happens..
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
This is a complete power grab by OBrien and good for him so that when this **** blows up we know exactly who to blame.
But it doesn't make sense. Gaine was just a yes man already and his chosen lackey
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Everybody needs a fall guy. OBrien is so uniquely adored that he doesnt make mistakes, everyone else does.
Dejaview
All Pro
Just reporting what I’ve read. Show me your proof they tampered. You and Kdog must have the same source, right? Don’t know if the Texans are still looking to hire a GM or not. Most, including Boston newspapers seem to think Caserio still wants to come here. The GM piece I read had nothing to do with the Texans. It was an article by someone looking at the functions of current gm’s.
Dejaview
All Pro
Assume bad boy is correct. You ever stop to think that they may still want Caserio? If so you ever stop to think that you don’t hire a GM for one year...actually a little less now. If so then what would you do? Given those premises which we can act as if true, what would you do? What structure is more ideal? Surely you seem to know something about the ideal. To me it sounds as if they spread out his functions so as not to create a de facto GM or they just simply didn’t want to overburden a single person. Not any different than picking up a coworkers responsibilities until their position has been filled. What’s your plan?
So now they are going to wait until after the 2020 draft because they want caserio.
And if we don't get him? Then we're interviewing guys to take this sh1t job after free agency and the draft is over. They won't even have a chance to do their jobs the first year.
And if we don't get him? Then we're interviewing guys to take this sh1t job after free agency and the draft is over. They won't even have a chance to do their jobs the first year.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I doubt it goes that far, we don't know when Caserio contract actually ends it just says 2020. There is a very good chance Pats go ahead and let him walk, I really do think the only reason they fought this time and went against their normal MO of letting people leave that want to leave is because they've lost so many BB can't afford to lose more right now. Some are reporting, and take it with a grain of salt, that Caserio was mad they didn't let him go but he, BB and Kraft sat down and talked and are cool now. IF that is true my GUESS is that they told him if he would just ride it out this year they would make sure he could leave in time to get things set up at his new job.
This is just a guess and it makes a lot of assumptions but it makes sense to my thinking.
Mangler
Toro de España
Let’s say that’s the case, is there any chance that Caserio is already working for us on the low? Perhaps having some sort of contact even if it’s through someone else with the Texans? I seriously doubt he still has the Patriots’ best interest at heart, ESPECIALLY after they didn’t let him come make them big bucks down here in Houston. They screwed him out of a promotion and he was reportedly upset about it. Here’s hoping he’s already watching players that fit our system. Wishful thinking...
Man, this CBD vape is the motherphookin sh1t!
Dejaview
All Pro
So that explains this post....
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
OB thinks in a perfect world. has a gameplan. then gets punched in the mouth lol. OB will always get outcoached on gameday no matter what. he can copy the NE front office all he wants, but in the end he aint the the head of the snake, nor does he have the TB12 venom. 2 biggest questions about this season is when it crashes and burns will he survive Cal and will the locker room still rally behind him.
im a texan fan, but at noon the 65 inch tv on red zone and the 32 inch on texans.
im a texan fan, but at noon the 65 inch tv on red zone and the 32 inch on texans.
Perhaps, just maybe(cross my toes), this season will show if he's learned anything. Team is (hopefully) getting some talent and depth in the right areas now
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Hopefully Cal realizes one day the NFL is about Xs and Os. This isnt college.
What good ideas?
I'm thinking this is it
I'm betting they told him BB wasn't going to be around much longer & they need him specifically to keep this going when BB decides to leave. They'll probably name him GM before the season starts.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
The ideas in his head. He knows how to play chess. Understands all the rules. Plays chess on his laptop, on his phone etc. But when he plays chess against someone, clock ticking, he makes a move and its immediately countered. He nuts up like a *****.
I'm totally convinced he knows, but cant execute. He throws the blame elsewhere when he fails. Hes like that Ahole in Chernobyl who refused to accept responsibility. The gameplan was perfect but I dont have the guys to execute.
I'm totally off the OB train. Was on it. But now that dude can jump off a cliff so far as I'm concerned. Got 5 yrs of evidence...
Max
Veteran
My guess is that the mess this offseason makes it less likely that Cal let's BOB go anytime soon. If things had gone smoothly with Caserio then maybe BOB's on a shorter leash. But if he gets rid of BOB and that doesn't go well, he's going to look world class dumbass rather than just local dumbass. Too much risk. He's already made his bold 'I'm in charge now' move and I don't imagine he's feeling all that smart about himself because of how it went. He's not going to stick his neck out like that again for a while.
5 yrs with RS as GM.
Tell me what should BOB have done to maximize the talent he had last yr? He had Davenport/Lamm as his OT's. He had Carter/V.Smith and a beat up Watson/Hopkins/Miller by the end of last yr ans still made the playoffs. I'm not saying BOB is the best HC out there, but you would think the team finished 5-11 instead of 11-5 if you read some posters around these parts. SMH
He wanted Davenport and lamm and Rankin and Seantrel. Then he started them in the wrong positions.
Then he went after Khalil this year and passed up on Dillard.
Lol.
You know what 11-5 means. It's the same as Kubiak's 12-4. Still you were disappointed when that paper tiger got shredded in the playoffs. If you want us to believe BO'b can be a Championship calibre HC, tell me right now that he's a step behind Kubiak when he took this team to 12-4 and the division round of the playoffs.
Otherwise stop acting surprised when people tell you BO'b finished 11-5 but...