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Brian Gaine Fired

Tab said:
i dont know about drafting but he finds guys that fit the system really well and that's definitely worth something. they dont dominate drafts because they're always picking really low and trading back
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He does? Or Belichick and the coaches?
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
He has done nothing. Can anyone name the last time the Pats dominated a draft? Was it really hard to acquire talent like Gilmore/Cooks/Clayborn/Jason McCourty etc? What I will say is he obviously has the Pats nervous, either promote him to GM or GTFOTW imo
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I'd happily take not dominating drafts yet still going on to have six rings. The guy obviously knows how to dominate free agency.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
He has done nothing. Can anyone name the last time the Pats dominated a draft? Was it really hard to acquire talent like Gilmore/Cooks/Clayborn/Jason McCourty etc? What I will say is he obviously has the Pats nervous, either promote him to GM or GTFOTW imo
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Pats have drafted pretty poorly the past 3 to 4 years no doubt. I think they had a good one this year though. So many of their draft picks have gotten hurt as rookies
 
Tab said:
i dont know about drafting but he finds guys that fit the system really well and that's definitely worth something. they dont dominate drafts because they're always picking really low and trading back
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Which means he will be an abysmal failure in Houston. BB has the coaching ability to change his "system" to fit the players he has. BB is playing 3D chess while OB is playing mumblety-peg and drooling.
If OB showed any inkling of having the strategic and tactical mind that BB has I'd be doing backflips. The reason BB likes versatile players is that he can go with 21 0r 22 personnel, get an opponent into their base defense on 1st down, then go no huddle/hurry up on 2nd down and spread them out, forcing a LB to cover a superior athlete.
OB likes versatile players because BB likes versatile players.
 
Mangler said:
You can't possibly be taking this bullsh1t serious, are you? The black man suing the Texans for "targeting african Americans" was actually let go for falsifying work hours along with overtime logs. How this is even getting airtime is beyond comprehension.
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Why? Because it goes against the grain of all this mindless speculation that it IS football related.

Whatever. :rolleyes:
 
Marcus said:
Why? Because it goes against the grain of all this mindless speculation that it IS football related.

Whatever. :rolleyes:
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No, because it’s obvious that the employee is making sh1t up just cause his dumb thieving ass got caught rigging his work hours and was terminated for it. However you’re trying to spin this is on you. Nobody with any sense is buying that bs.
#AllLivesMatter
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
He has done nothing. Can anyone name the last time the Pats dominated a draft? Was it really hard to acquire talent like Gilmore/Cooks/Clayborn/Jason McCourty etc? What I will say is he obviously has the Pats nervous, either promote him to GM or GTFOTW imo
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The only person I would’ve wanted from the pats organization is belichick. They can survive without any of the other guys who supposedly do so much. It’s him and Brady that make that train run
 
Marcus said:
Why? Because it goes against the grain of all this mindless speculation that it IS football related.

Whatever. :rolleyes:
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That's right, my friend.

Everyone knows, whose every worked for a company that lets you write your own time log, that the company lets you write your own time log so if they ever need any incriminating evidence on you... they'll have it. I've been there and I've tried to use approximate times and was threatened to be fired for trying to step in and "change things"...

"It's dangerous to be an honest man"- Micheal Corleon
 
Pharaohcious said:
That's right, my friend.

Everyone knows, whose every worked for a company that lets you write your own time log, that the company lets you write your own time log so if they ever need any incriminating evidence on you... they'll have it. I've been there and I've tried to use approximate times and was threatened to be fired for trying to step in and "change things"...

"It's dangerous to be an honest man"- Micheal Corleon
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If you were using approximate times in only your favor, you deserved to be fired
 
Mangler said:
No, because it’s obvious that the employee is making sh1t up just cause his dumb thieving ass got caught rigging his work hours and was terminated for it. However you’re trying to spin this is on you. Nobody with any sense is buying that bs.
#AllLivesMatter
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Do you have a link for this? I'd be surprised if the guy wasn't on straight salary. From the article Wolf posted:

Pope said the reason he was given for his termination was his lack of experience in law enforcement. Before joining the Texans, he had been a recruiting assistant for the University of Houston football team and worked at Rice University as an account executive/ticket sales.

He holds a bachelor’s degree in criminal justice from Bethune-Cookman, where he was a member of the football team for four years and two-time team captain; Pope also has a master’s degree in sports management from Lasell College.

‘He was targeting all minorities in leadership’
In his lawsuit, Pope listed eight other black employees whom Gaine fired during his 17 months as general manager.

Pope wrote in the complaint. “It appeared, and I believe, that he was targeting all minorities in leadership positions and was set to replace them with non-African Americans. Which he did,” Pope wrote in the complaint.

The 2017 Texans’ media guide lists several black men in upper-level personnel positions: Rick Smith, executive vice president of football operations and general manager; Jimmy Raye III, vice president of player personnel and assistant GM; Jon Carr, director of college scouting; Larry Wright, assistant director of pro personnel; Mike Martin, assistant director of college scouting; and Frantzy Jourdain, national scout. Baylor, the vice president of security, also had a high-level position.

None of those men are with the Texans today.

Currently, the highest-ranking African American in the Texans’ front office is C.J. Leak, who is the assistant director of pro personnel.

“In short, every African American in the building understood that not too many of us could congregate or be seen interacting with each other even during lunch because it did not look good to the powers that be,” Pope alleged.”I believe I was discriminated against and terminated on the basis of my race and color.”
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I don't see anything about falsifying hours. Looks like a lot of smoke, there. That's why you go to court, to see who is in the right. The Texans look like they've mitigated the damages somewhat by firing Gaine. Whether that was their intent or not.
 
JB said:
If you were using approximate times in only your favor, you deserved to be fired
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If exact in/out times are so frikkin' "crucial" why doesn't the company get a punch clock??
now if the employee is writing in a bunch of extra hours, then can their a$$. But if we're talking 15 mins here, 10 mins there... that's just petty. They were looking for a reason to can you.
 
Lucky said:
Do you have a link for this? I'd be surprised if the guy wasn't on straight salary. From the article Wolf posted:


I don't see anything about falsifying hours. Looks like a lot of smoke, there. That's why you go to court, to see who is in the right. The Texans look like they've mitigated the damages somewhat by firing Gaine. Whether that was their intent or not.
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Take a close look at this one. https://m.chron.com/sports/texans/a...rimination-allegations-Jeff-Pope-13975305.php
 
Lucky said:
So off the record quotes saying that Pope was fired for falsifying overtime? But the Texans still offered severance? Does that make sense? Like I said, take it to court and let the truth come out.
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When an employee is fired, companies often offer severance pay. If he quit on his own he gets nothing.
 
Thorn said:
I've never known anyone who got any severance benefits from being fired, from being laid off, yes, or "asked" to resign and did so, but not fired.
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An ex employee at my company was fired for being late and calling in way too much and was offered severance pay. He was a good worker, don’t know if that played a role in him getting it or not. I don’t know, I’ve never worked in HR. It’s just not that uncommon.
 
There's definitely some smoke there.

Agree with Lucky. This is what court is for.

I definitely wouldn't automatically dismiss it though...Especially since they offered a severance package.
I've only seen that done when there are layoffs.
Have never seen someone fired for cause offered anything other than a box to pack their things and an escort off site.
 
Lucky said:
It's pretty uncommon. Won't look good for the Texans when they go to court, either.
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Oh please. Where do you work? I spent my career in Houston with an o&g firm. That crap is so common it was sickening. Company had to absorb costs and bs for years to get rid of some of these sleazebags. And this was white collar. Couldn’t imagine what was going on in the fields.
 
Mangler said:
An ex employee at my company was fired for being late and calling in way too much and was offered severance pay. He was a good worker, don’t know if that played a role in him getting it or not. I don’t know, I’ve never worked in HR. Just like you’re taking his side based on your arguments, we don’t know what .
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thunderkyss said:
I think the "funny" part of it is that they offered him money to leave after he lied about what he was owed.

"Hey, we basically caught you stealing. Here is some money. Go away."
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They probably did that so he wouldn't try to pull the race card out. But, it's their own fault for not verifying his credentials before they hired him. My job was able to verify that I have a college degree before they hired me. Some third party company does the research for them.
 
Mangler said:
They probably did that so he wouldn't try to pull the race card out. But, it's their own fault for not verifying his credentials before they hired him. My job was able to verify that I have a college degree before they hired me. Some third party company does the research for them.
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For all the non believers here, payment to leave is cheaper than paying lawyers. This crap cuts across ALL races. It’s called politically correct Amerika.
 
You know, I said how happy I was about cal firing Gaine, and I may have been mistaken. Gaine was conservative. I hated that. But this idea of not going into the season with a GM, is stupid. Somebody needs to objectively hold this coaching staff accountable. I get the feeling the McNair’s for some reason love OB and that makes me sick. I didn’t want Caserio, but I don’t think the search should end just because he’s not taking the job this year. We need to find someone not affiliated with the pats organization/our HC
 
281Texan said:
You know, I said how happy I was about cal firing Gaine, and I may have been mistaken. Gaine was conservative. I hated that. But this idea of not going into the season with a GM, is stupid. Somebody needs to objectively hold this coaching staff accountable. I get the feeling the McNair’s for some reason love OB and that makes me sick. I didn’t want Caserio, but I don’t think the search should end just because he’s not taking the job this year. We need to find someone not affiliated with the pats organization/our HC
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Butt chin must be a hell of a salesman! If his embarrassing play calls, retarded ass journeymen qb battles, and the latest GM firing/whiff isn’t enough to get him gone, I don’t know what will.
 
Mangler said:
Butt chin must be a hell of a salesman! If his embarrassing play calls, retarded ass journeymen qb battles, and the latest GM firing/whiff isn’t enough to get him gone, I don’t know what will.
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Did you listen to BOB's presser last week? He had nothing to do with getting Gaine fired and had no contact with Caseriio. Easterby did and probably Cletus.
 
steelbtexan said:
Did you listen to BOB's presser last week? He had nothing to do with getting Gaine fired and had no contact with Caseriio. Easterby did and probably Cletus.
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That doesn't mean @Mangler isn't correct. He may not have been instrumental in Gaine getting fired, but he damn sure was instrumental in getting him hired. Everything else Mangler said is obvious to even casual observers.

Kinda funny about you referencing OBs presser like that. I have a ******* co-worker who asked me, and I quote: "Did you even see Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient Truth'?" when I informed that AGW was horseshit. The dude is full on crusader about it.
 
steelbtexan said:
Did you listen to BOB's presser last week? He had nothing to do with getting Gaine fired and had no contact with Caseriio. Easterby did and probably Cletus.
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That's crazy, lol. There were reports of tension between them, how OBrien is good friends with caserio, how OBrien didn't want to worry about personnel anymore, etc. It all goes back to OBrien and the new PowerPoint guy
 
DocBar said:
That doesn't mean @Mangler isn't correct. He may not have been instrumental in Gaine getting fired, but he damn sure was instrumental in getting him hired. Everything else Mangler said is obvious to even casual observers.

Kinda funny about you referencing OBs presser like that. I have a ******* co-worker who asked me, and I quote: "Did you even see Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient Truth'?" when I informed that AGW was horseshit. The dude is full on crusader about it.
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Ever thought about this?

The old man was dying and RS left. The old man hired who he knew (Gaine) because he was in too ill health to conduct a bunch of in depth GM interviews, so he just hire a guy (Gaine) who he was familiar with.

This is my theory and I'm sticking to it.
 
steelbtexan said:
Ever thought about this?

The old man was dying and RS left. The old man hired who he knew (Gaine) because he was in too ill health to conduct a bunch of in depth GM interviews, so he just hire a guy (Gaine) who he was familiar with.

This is my theory and I'm sticking to it.
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Is that also why they didn't do an in depth search when they hired obrien?
 
TheKDog said:
That's crazy, lol. There were reports of tension between them, how OBrien is good friends with caserio, how OBrien didn't want to worry about personnel anymore, etc. It all goes back to OBrien and the new PowerPoint guy
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SMH, Easterby was hired to give a thorough evaluation of the org on April 2nd, he gave Cletus the evaluation and Gaine was fired. Easterby went to the ring ceremony and asked Caserio if he wanted the GM job. Caserio said yes,

Did Easterby ask BOB if he wanted Caserio to be the new GM? Probably, but that's not collusion.
 
steelbtexan said:
SMH, Easterby was hired to give a thorough evaluation of the org on April 2nd, he gave Cletus the evaluation and Gaine was fired. Easterby went to the ring ceremony and asked Caserio if he wanted the GM job. Caserio said yes,

Did Easterby ask BOB if he wanted Caserio to be the new GM? Probably, but that's not collusion.
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I thought Esterby was a "character" guy....

Why is the organization making football decisions based on what Esterby says?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I thought Esterby was a "character" guy....

Why is the organization making football decisions based on what Esterby says?
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Easterby was brought in to do a thorough evaluation of the current state of the Texans org by Cal. This included all personnel, Pancakes reported this on 610 the other morning. Take this for what it's worth.
 
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