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Well, the GM search is on!
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Mangler
Toro de España
That is true, but then how is it that they have already interviewed like three different guys thus far? Is it because they’re unemployed? I’m just asking cause for a guy to be the front runner one would think they’ve already talked to him.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Gotta look at the timeline Breer mentions. At the time of Gaine’s hire, it appeared Easterby was on his way to Indy. We also know the Texans reached out to interview Caserio in and around the same time. The thought by Easterby could've been that Caserio would get the interview/job & that was it. Of course we know that didn't happen & there was no reason to think that Caserio would be available at any point in the future either. The texans & Cal, still reeling from Mr. McNair's death in November & Smith's sudden departure were scrambling & settled in on "reportedly" their 5-7th candidate in Gaine...mainly b/c they knew he was familiar with the org & vice versa & he was respected as a scout....Could've been as simple as "Alright, well, he doesn't have any experience, but lets give him a shot & see how he does..". But there may have been a catch. Gaine had just left for Buffalo the year prior & was under contract with them as their VP of player personnel. He probably made it a condition of his departure from Buffalo that he get a 5 year deal........................Or the Texans in desperation made that an incentive for him to leave Buffalo rather abruptly.
At the end of the day, we don't really know...
Number19
Hall of Fame
Gaine was hired 17 months and he was their guy, given the situation at the time. Easterby was hired two months ago and if the latest rumors prove to be accurate, his hiring seems to be a game changer. And if this all transpiresas it seems to be developing, the willingness of the organization to eat Gaines' contract shows how committed they are to Caserio. And if we do get him on board, the Texans will have a strong organizational triumvirate in place and all, hopefully, committed to the same plan and goals.
Number19
Hall of Fame
The weekend?
Mangler
Toro de España
I really hope this is the turning point. The birth of a new dynasty...
I know, wishful thinking.
But maybe, just maybe
Texansballer74
The Marine
Some people have that special gift of the gander . Which is talking a very good game. Obrien probably could sale you the shirt off your on freaking back. Bwhahaha.
Talking game on point.
Texansballer74
The Marine
badboy
Hall of Fame
This is my thought also and I was okay with those moved out as I think scouting dep't needed better personnel and I'm still not sure it cannot be improved on. I'm hoping the new guy is pretty much locked in. I continue to think the removal of Gaines was a combination (your slow build), draft (not just #23) possible conflict with O'Brien and Cal tightening his authority or at least making it more clear. I wished if the last was true it should not have had to be. A side note is directed at comments I've heard on radio that players feel "unrest" when a coach or GM not in place. This was also discussed RE: Rockets HC D'Antonio not getting extension he wanted. IMO, the owner of any said organization should call meeting of players and all staff and bluntly tell them to shut up. Any player not playing up to expectations for whatever reason should be benched or replaced. "Do your job. I have final decision concerning hiring and firing."
Easterby has and most likely Cesario has already been told he's got the new GM job if he wants it. One thing I like is Cal really doesn't know what he's doing so he's interviewing how other people would handle the GM job. This is a great way to get a different perspective (Learn) about different ways to execute in the GM role. Much different than the just hiring a guy you know without really interviewing anybody else. (Gaine Hire)
Mangler
Toro de España
I like that he’s willing to get out of the way and let the ones that do know how to run a team do their thing. At least that’s what it seems he’s trying to set up.
Just saw this on chron.com: https://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-request-to-interview-Patriots-Nick-13965998.php
This is their guy!
This is their guy!
banned1976
sleeper mode
Apparently New England has denied the Texans interviewing Nick Caserio, according to Josh McIntyre on Twitter.
From what I've been hearing (610 radio) they can't deny the Texans this time. The only reason they denied them before was because NE was still in the playoffs at the time.
Here is a quote from an article I just read about the situation:
"Furthermore, according to Breer, the Patriots were able to refuse giving the Texans permission to talk to Caserio last year because the team’s season was still being played at the time. Obviously, that’s not the case in early June. Additionally, New England can’t prevent Caserio from leaving because a GM position would be viewed as a promotion, not a lateral move."
Link to the article:https://heavy.com/sports/2019/06/texans-want-patriots-nick-caserio-for-gm-opening/
"Furthermore, according to Breer, the Patriots were able to refuse giving the Texans permission to talk to Caserio last year because the team’s season was still being played at the time. Obviously, that’s not the case in early June. Additionally, New England can’t prevent Caserio from leaving because a GM position would be viewed as a promotion, not a lateral move."
Link to the article:https://heavy.com/sports/2019/06/texans-want-patriots-nick-caserio-for-gm-opening/
@jasonrmcintyre: Early word is Texans VP Jack Easterby is telling people around the NFL the Patriots are trying to block Nick Caserio AGAIN. (As @AlbertBreer said, blocked in ‘18.)
As always, things are fluid, but right now Easterby is not happy with his old club
As always, things are fluid, but right now Easterby is not happy with his old club
Everything I've been hearing/reading says they can't deny the Texans the right to interview him. The season is over and this is not a lateral move for Caserio. He will be getting full authority over all football personnel. So, the Pats ("Belicheat"), will try to block him from interviewing but I have to think the NFL will step in at some point and make a decision and, this is probably the Pats strategy, to throw up as many roadblocks as possible and just wait the other team out! Now, whether the Texans can wait for "their man" that long or not is another question.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
They can't. Last time their season was still going. You can't block a promotion.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
My understanding is they can’t block a promotion if it is a true promotion but if it is a lateral move without the normal power of a GM, for example the power Belichick has in NE, then they can.
So if Easterby or O’Brien are going to be the ones with the real power then NE can stop it. Not sure if this is true but it’s my understanding.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
They don't sit around and judge "real" power. If he is offered GM he can move.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
That’s not correct. He has to actually function as the GM not just have the title. It’s been posted numerous times already with a direct quote
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Stealing this from Amazing80
The relevant league policy requires that, in order to hire an executive under contract with another team, the new team must offer “the primary authority over all personnel decisions related to the signing of free agents, the selection of players in the College Draft, trades, and related decisions; and . . . the primary responsibility for coordinating other football activities with the head coach.”
Although “[f]inal authority regarding the composition of the 53-player roster is not a requirement,” the job nevertheless must convey primary authority to the G.M. If it doesn’t, request for permission to interview an executive under contract with another team can be denied.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...the-top-choice-to-become-the-next-texans-g-m/
So yes the do sit around and judge real power.
So, who is the "they" that "sit around and judge real power?" And, how long does it take for them to make a decision? I assume the "they" is the League Office with Goodell having final say but I don't know that for a fact. If this is the case, it could be one of those things that drags on and on for months while they look over documents with the lawyers before they come to any decision. I don't think the Texans want to wait that long to interview a new GM candidate.
To me it should be a cut and dry decision. Are the Texans offering a GM position with all the decision making power of a normal NFL GM over player personnel? If the answer is yes, and I believe it is, then they should have the right to interview Caserio.
Number19
Hall of Fame
They can if it's not a promotion - if it's a lateral move. This will have to be their argument. It will be up to league offices to make a decision whether the offer is per league rules. Hopeful this will move fast.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I really don't know, if you had asked me before I read that article I would have agreed with you and Cak that they can't stop it but apparently they can at least slow it down. If it was a case that it is a normal GM position you would be right that it is cut and dry but that's what the Texans have to prove and no one knows what BoB's contract says. If there are powers already ceded to BoB in his contract that a GM would have then yeah they could stop it. That's why the article says this is a chance to partly find out how much power BoB actually has.
On top of that if the other reports are real that they are planning a trifecta of power with it all shared between Easterby/BoB/the new GM then that could be used to stop it as well. Same if another report of Easterby being over the new GM is true. Basically long story short the Texans may have shot themselves in the foot by either trying to make BoB the next Belichick power wise or getting to cute with their power structure.
Report: Texans request to interview Nick Caserio for general manager job
The Patriots experienced a mass exodus on the coaching staff this offseason, losing Brian Flores, Chad O’Shea, Josh Boyer, Brendan Daly, Jerry Schuplinski and Jack Easterby to other NFL jobs.
If the Texans get their way, Nick Caserio could be added to the list.
The Texans formally requested to interview Caserio for their vacant general manager position, according to John McClain of The Houston Chronicle.
Houston unexpectedly fired GM Brian Gaine last week, and the franchise appears intent on bringing another Patriots staff member aboard. Caserio is the top choice to replace Gaine, per McClain.
Former Pats offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien has been the head coach in Houston since 2014. He’s guided the club to four winning seasons and three playoff appearances in that span. The Texans have gone just 1-3 in the postseason under O’Brien, however. Their impressive 11-5 campaign last season ended with a disappointing 21-7 loss to the Colts in the wild card round.
Earlier this offseason, the Texans hired former Patriots character coach Easterby as the executive vice president of team development. Easterby has close ties to many prominent executives in the Patriots organization.
Caserio, 43, has been a coveted general manager candidate for years. As director of player personnel with the Patriots, Caserio takes on innumerable responsibilities. He teams with Bill Belichick to make critical roster decisions each year.
“I can’t imagine any personnel person in the league that sees more players than he does both in the spring scouting process part of it for the draft and then just watching tape on players throughout the course of the year,” Belichick said in 2017. “He does a great job of that, bringing players to the table, to the conversation, guys that would help our team or guys that might be available that we could trade for.”
Caserio, who played quarterback at Division 3 John Carroll University in Ohio, also is a frequent participant in Patriots practices. He’ll serve any role necessary on the field, from working as an extra quarterback to running routes against the defense.
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https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/0...terview-nick-caserio-for-general-manager-job/
The Patriots experienced a mass exodus on the coaching staff this offseason, losing Brian Flores, Chad O’Shea, Josh Boyer, Brendan Daly, Jerry Schuplinski and Jack Easterby to other NFL jobs.
If the Texans get their way, Nick Caserio could be added to the list.
The Texans formally requested to interview Caserio for their vacant general manager position, according to John McClain of The Houston Chronicle.
Houston unexpectedly fired GM Brian Gaine last week, and the franchise appears intent on bringing another Patriots staff member aboard. Caserio is the top choice to replace Gaine, per McClain.
Former Pats offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien has been the head coach in Houston since 2014. He’s guided the club to four winning seasons and three playoff appearances in that span. The Texans have gone just 1-3 in the postseason under O’Brien, however. Their impressive 11-5 campaign last season ended with a disappointing 21-7 loss to the Colts in the wild card round.
Earlier this offseason, the Texans hired former Patriots character coach Easterby as the executive vice president of team development. Easterby has close ties to many prominent executives in the Patriots organization.
Caserio, 43, has been a coveted general manager candidate for years. As director of player personnel with the Patriots, Caserio takes on innumerable responsibilities. He teams with Bill Belichick to make critical roster decisions each year.
“I can’t imagine any personnel person in the league that sees more players than he does both in the spring scouting process part of it for the draft and then just watching tape on players throughout the course of the year,” Belichick said in 2017. “He does a great job of that, bringing players to the table, to the conversation, guys that would help our team or guys that might be available that we could trade for.”
Caserio, who played quarterback at Division 3 John Carroll University in Ohio, also is a frequent participant in Patriots practices. He’ll serve any role necessary on the field, from working as an extra quarterback to running routes against the defense.
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https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/0...terview-nick-caserio-for-general-manager-job/
God'ells NFL
Watching players that come available for trade, would be a new way of doing business. (DT not withstanding) Also watching more college players for the draft than anybody is the kinda guy I've been wanting as GM for yrs. Hopefully he's an aggressive in the GM role. He seems to have this type of personality.
Caserio will be the new GM if BOB doesn't have the power that some on this MB seem to think he has, or if BOB is willing to cede some of his power (If he has the power some here think he has) then a new trifecta of young sharp leadership that we have wanted for so long down on Kirby will be formed. I think this is going to happen, or Easterby wouldn't have set this process in motion to begin with. Belichick (Rightfully) wants to hold on to his right hand man.
Caserio will be the new GM if BOB doesn't have the power that some on this MB seem to think he has, or if BOB is willing to cede some of his power (If he has the power some here think he has) then a new trifecta of young sharp leadership that we have wanted for so long down on Kirby will be formed. I think this is going to happen, or Easterby wouldn't have set this process in motion to begin with. Belichick (Rightfully) wants to hold on to his right hand man.
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
Comparing Caserio vs Gaine 2019 drafts only difference I see are Texans having two 2nds and Patriots three 3rds. Honestly, Gaine drafted players line up with Need better, and these same players could have easily worked just as well in New England.
Patriots biggest need, TE, wasn’t addressed at all in the draft. Could see their 1st rd pick N’keal Harry being a factor, he’s a big physical WR who I really liked but he is still not a TE. Texans drafted a TE who fit exactly what the Patriots look for in the 3rd rd. (Which might help really understand that pick, if your like me) Kahale Warring with 86th selection right in front of the Patriots 87. Go figure odds on that, lol
Patriots biggest need, TE, wasn’t addressed at all in the draft. Could see their 1st rd pick N’keal Harry being a factor, he’s a big physical WR who I really liked but he is still not a TE. Texans drafted a TE who fit exactly what the Patriots look for in the 3rd rd. (Which might help really understand that pick, if your like me) Kahale Warring with 86th selection right in front of the Patriots 87. Go figure odds on that, lol
God'ells NFL
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Pats biggest need was not at TE. That's the fake news ESPN talking. Just because they lost a HOF TE doesn't mean all of a sudden they're in dire needs for a TE. They have vets that can fill in just fine. The Pats played without Gronk practically half the time while his career existed because he was always injured. They won a SB with him out for the 2nd half of the season. This constant talk about the Pats and their TE disaster is one of the most hilarious fake news stories I've seen in yrs.
Their biggest need was at WR by far. They had to win a SB throwing to one WR along with a hobbled Gronk. Now they got a guy that can make a lot of plays that Gronk made and that has a skillset that should fit very well in the NE offense. Most draft pundits looked at the Pats draft as top 5 around the NFL. Their first 4 positions were all of need.
Their last 2 to 3 drafts were terrible though. This year was the best draft the Pats have had in a long time. That's based on speculation as of now of course.
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
I want the guy from ATL or KC
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Cesario is honestly a big crap shoot to me, because player personal is such a big strongpoint of Belicheck's involvement in how he sees certain players skillsets fitting into his system and utilizing their strengths. Another thing that never gets mentioned is that Belicheck goes for players that are team captains thinking they will fall in line for the team goals more than other players will based on the laws of average. Will Nick follow all of these methods to the T? I don't know. He could be just another guy from the NE organization that doesn't look all that hot once he is out of NE. Hard to say honestly.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Ben Watson who they let walk in his prime, now bring back after he couldn’t help New Orleans last year (injured) in playoffs, at 38 years and 16 of those in the NFL with no one to speak of backing him up is a huge need after Gronk retired. How is that fake news?
If that’s their best draft in a few years than call me skeptical
They really needed OL help and no way is Yodney Cajustie better than Howard or Hjalte Froholdt better than Scharping or their line improves more than Texans unless they get Trent Williams.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Because how many teams have great pass catching TE's in the first place? Very few. Since when has NE "needed" high production there to be successful on offense? Never. They have always adjusted their offense to whatever strengths they had. Its total fake news based on that history alone, and the fact that Gronk wasn't highly productive at all last season. He was hurt for a lot of it and not nearly as effective. This has to be the only time in history I've ever seen the media place the entire draft importance on the TE position. Lol! Dumbest thing I've ever seen honestly.
If that’s their best draft in a few years than call me skeptical
Then clearly you aren't aware at all at what their last few drafts looked like and how few picks they had in some of them to begin with or who they drafted at what positions this year. They added a strong RB to an already strong running attack to pair with Michel. They got a 6'4 CB to add to a pretty deep secondary, a pass rusher with loads of potential in Winovich, and maybe the Best WR of the draft. But they didn't get a great pass catching TE? OMG. Lol!
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Who excites y'all more - Cassario or Easterby?
Are we supposed to be excited for Easterby?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Texans disagree, drafted 3 in last two years and that is the Gronk affect since model is NE.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Dunno that's why I'm asking. Although Brady was quoted as saying Easterby was laegely responsible for one of their recent SB wins.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
This post addresses nothing I said and has nothing to do what you previously tried to put forth. What a pathetic reach. Lol!
Well I'd be more excited for Caserio as he seems to be their GM (hard to tell how much responsibility he has)
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
https://weei.radio.com/articles/col...ichick-cannot-afford-lose-long-time-personnel
Apparently it sounds like the Pats will do a lot to hold on to Cesario.
Umm, Easterby is a life coach, not football man. Caserio would be a football operations executive
Well SteelB I would imagine you are pleased with Cal's dismissal of BG in that you've been very critical of the Texans ownerships reluctance to use resources ?
So anyway in contrast to his late father it looks like Cal is going to be much more inclined to open up the purse strings to improve the Texans which he'll be doing of course
by absorbing the unexpended portion of BGs contract while he will also be paying the new GM.
That piece has nothing from the Patriots holding on to Caserio this year, just a strong opinion from the writer
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Which provided a lot of indicators that they would do everything possible to keep him because he's a strong asset for them. Big reason why I provided Belicheck's quotes. They already blocked this from happening before, so that history alone would leave strong speculation that they'd do everything possible to keep him from leaving especially since Bill is taking on a stronger role on the defense currently since they lost their D coordinator in the off season.
If they value him that highly then why not give him the title and compensation of an NFL GM ?
Of course he'd still be answering to Bllicheck but lot of teams already have that arrangement which allegedly is what we've had here in Houston for awhile now.