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Well, the GM search is on!
- Thread starter Mangler
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I'm not ok with someone who was down with the plan 4 months ago & now all of a sudden is against the same plan.
$70M in FA is cool, but not as cool as $130M which we could have next season with a year under the belt of a young talented OL.
Hopefully a better crop of FAs as well.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Yeah I’m not buying it was Howard or the draft that was the issue. I watched that clip again of them calling Howard and neither BoB nor Cal looked like they had been against it. There were reports that Howard’s had been their guy all along, don’t know if it’s true or not, and at the very least there had to have been talk about taking him because Dillard was not expected to fall that far.
Cal and BoB both acted like they had already prepared what they were going to say and both had a brief but solid conversation with Howard on the phone. If they had been against it or if Gaine had gone that far off the reservation at most I would have expected them to say just “welcome to the team” not talking about needing “needing bodyguards for Deshaun” and sh!t.
Dejaview
All Pro
As director of pro personnel at KC, the Chiefs went, if I did my hurried math correctly, 38-74. Haven’t looked at his Browns work yet but probably don’t need to. Gaine went 11-5. Just saying...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Gaine started at 9-7. Just sayin.
20-12 not too shabby
I dunno is there really more to see in OTA's with padless offensive linemen than watching & observing them in a full week of practice with pads including one-on-one drills with defensive lineman topped off by a complete regulation football game in Mobil ?Well, according to a recent report... The relationship between OB and Gaine has eroded. Weird, as they were aligned in the draft and both looked very confident about selecting Tytus Howard at 23. Maybe OTAs and rookie mini camp revealed something and OB immediately ran to Cal’s office to save his ass, yet again. Or maybe it had nothing to do with Howard. I’ll see if I can find a link.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
No there's not. The idea post draft play of the rooks in mini-camp made this decision is beyond absurd.
Dejaview
All Pro
Yep, you are right again. 38-74 over six seasons then a firing with the Browns after a rules violation? is a damn solid performance.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You're talking about what/who?
Imaginary windmill dragons are in Holland. Have a good trip.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
With Brian Gaine gone now, the search is on for a new GM as we all know.
It's my hope that the Texans bring in a new GM that will fire Bill O'Brien and his entire staff immediately and have a new coaching staff in place before training camp begins. There will be plenty of time after the mini camp is complete.
There are quality coaches available and when Bill is gone, I believe some top prospects will jump at the chance to coach Watson, Hopkins, Fuller and Coutee on one side and Watt, Clowney, Covington and Mercilus on the other.
Cal just needs to look for, and hire, real quality that wants to try something different. Not be like the Patriots.
We are Houston. Not New England.
It's my hope that the Texans bring in a new GM that will fire Bill O'Brien and his entire staff immediately and have a new coaching staff in place before training camp begins. There will be plenty of time after the mini camp is complete.
There are quality coaches available and when Bill is gone, I believe some top prospects will jump at the chance to coach Watson, Hopkins, Fuller and Coutee on one side and Watt, Clowney, Covington and Mercilus on the other.
Cal just needs to look for, and hire, real quality that wants to try something different. Not be like the Patriots.
We are Houston. Not New England.
My only hope is a better process than when Gaine was hired. A Rooney rule interview, 3/4 approaches w/o an interview and then hire a "safe' guy who knew the organization. Cal was "in the room" during this time, hopefully, he learned that a more thorough search is needed.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
He will be here for this season. What sucks is rooting for them knowing that he'll likely get in their way at some point if they make the playoffs. You also know that him having that type of success also means he won't be fired either. Not fun place to be in as a fan, but something tells me that Cal must be getting sick of all these guys. I hope at least.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
We don't know that actually. After finding a new GM, who's to say that Cal doesn't intend to fire O'Brien and the rest of the coaching staff after the mini camp and give the new GM a clean slate to work with?
We simply don't know what the plan is. We can only speculate. One thing we do know for sure is that Cal is definitely different from his father.
I'm quite sure we'll see soon enough.
Let's hope Cal's plan includes getting rid of the old and bringing in allot of new.
bigmck
Rookie
I don't recall, just asking. = Firing a coach in June isn't much time for the new one to put in his scheme is it?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Yeah, that could happen but very unlikely when we are already into mini camps. The new GM is stuck with OB this season. I wouldn't put this move towards the thought that Cal is so different from his father. I hope it is, but we'll have to see a longer timeline of actions before we make that conclusion for me at least. For all we know OB might be the guy picking his GM just like in he last under Bob McNair and his coaches. Lol! The fact that we're even doing this now at such an odd time is terrible sign in the first place as far as Cal goes.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
There will be plenty of time after mini camp to bring in a new coaching staff.
They will have more then a month to get the staff together and put a plan in place for training camp. Training camp is used to install the offense and defense anyways and create new schemes for each. So they will still be able to get their schemes in place and they will get just as much time as the rest of the league has to get ready for the season in training camp.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
No they would not. It would be a total disaster this close. They'd have to assemble a whole new team of coaches where tons of them have been hired out to other places already and most candidates would have a very shitty pick of assistants to choose from. Then you have to try and install an entire new offense on Watson and everyone else. Sure, you could do it. What could go wrong?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Training camp and it's restricted practices is not enough time for a entire new staff to install their systems/playbooks and isn't enough time for a entire team to learn it either.
We also wouldn't have enough time to fill out a entire staff. The time to fire Bill has passed.. He's just going to be lame ducking it this season unless Bill or Watson pulls his ass out of the fire.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
Everything could go wrong. But the converse is having Butt Chin and his staff still here. And besides, maybe the whole staff doesn't need to be replaced. Start with the head coach, the new offensive coordinator and the o-line coach. Get rid of em then hire a new head coach and let him bring in a new offensive coordinator and line coach. Or maybe promote Smith to offensive coordinator and let him choose a new line coach and quarterback coach. There are possible scenarios that could work. Then again, the Texans could be a huge train wreck this season. We just don't know what will happen from here.
We will see. Anything we say or come up with at this point is just blind speculation anyways.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Summer is the ideal time to search for a replacement head coach... in the XFL.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Agree except they won’t make the playoffs. The teams they play this year have top tier HCs and players. The schedule is brutal and will expose OB as a HC and the team’s holes from poor drafting threw the years.
I am seeing 6-10 at best.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I get what you're saying, but you also potentially end up with some regime that you forced yourself to hire since you were in a hurry, and end up with another unsatisfactory HC regime that takes another few years to figure out. At this point they're stuck with OB for at least one more season. As much as I'd like to see him gone, I'd much rather wait until next year's off season to take the proper time to find the right guy. How many good HC candidates do you think would even take this job with all of the uncertainties going on with the franchise right now? I think a lot of them would pass, and the Texans would likely end up with maybe their 3rd choice or something like that very similar to what the Longhorns got when they hired Strong after two or three of their more preferred choices declined. I know I wouldn't be quick to take a HC job for a franchise with a brand new owner basically since his dad died who waited all the way until camp to fire his GM and HC. That would smell like a bad situation from a mile away.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
This, even if someone is on the fire BoB band wagon wanting them to do this right now is very short sighted. First you have to get a new GM, now let’s be hopeful and assume Cal had a handshake agreement with one already. It’s still going to take time to get him in here and get his people in here. If Cal was just pissed off and fire Gaine without anything in place it’s going to be even longer.
Now again let’s say best case scenario and the new GM knew this was coming and is making plans even now so he can hit the ground running. Any coach you could get right now would either be second or third rate coach or would be looking for their first gig as an NFL coach and no one else will give them a shot.
By waiting another year they have an entire year to put feelers out and really figure out who their guy is. Don’t forget from an outsiders PoV BoB actually did very well last year with what he had. If I’m a potential coach and I see the guy I’m replacing was fired last minute by the owner after he fired the GM that had only had one draft with a first and second round pick I’m going to tell them not interested because it just looks like a knee jerk owner that is trying to prove he’s not his dad.
badboy
Hall of Fame
4 months ago was before the draft and free agency. Perhaps as I mentioned earlier there was an offer for Clowney that also changed Cal's opinion. Perhaps four months ago the plan for Off season presented by GM Gaines was not what we saw happen. What I wanted four months ago could have happened but didn't, changed my opinion; perhaps Cals also. We may never know.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Heh JamTex even manages to sound positive about firing the entire coaching staff 
Texansballer74
The Marine
Bwhahaha Jam you are good peeps but come on bro. You're reaching big time with this one. No way in heck will Cal hire a GM and then have him fire Bill O'Brien and the entire coaching staff.
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Good points. But if what we saw was not the plan they formed 4 months ago, why restructure the personnel dept?
If they thought for a minute Gaine wouldn't last much longer surely they wouldn't have let him ditch some long time Texans scouts.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Slow build up to explosion. Seen it before in offices. Keep giving a chance. Do it your way and we'll see. And then that's enough. I'd bet Cal had no intention of firing when the draft started.
Texansballer74
The Marine
https://www.facebook.com/590335421021301/posts/2156529194401908/
Houston Texans Storm Report
about an hour ago
So we may finally get some clarification on who has control of the team of Texans land Nick Caserio without getting permission to interview him from the Patriots.
Per Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk: The relevant league policy requires that, in order to hire an executive under contract with another team, the new team must offer “the primary authority over all personnel decisions related to the signing of free agents, the selection of players in the College Draft, trades, and related decisions; and . . . the primary responsibility for coordinating other football activities with the head coach.”
Although “[f]inal authority regarding the composition of the 53-player roster is not a requirement,” the job nevertheless must convey primary authority to the G.M. If it doesn’t, request for permission to interview an executive under contract with another team can be denied.
The final analysis entails a delicate balance of the power the team is willing to give to the G.M., along with the power contractually reserved to the head coach. If coach Bill O’Brien already has the kind of authority that otherwise would go to a strong G.M., the G.M. job in Houston essentially becomes “G.M. Light,” lacking the kind of power that would allow the Texans to pry Caserio away from the Patriots.
Houston Texans Storm Report
about an hour ago
So we may finally get some clarification on who has control of the team of Texans land Nick Caserio without getting permission to interview him from the Patriots.
Per Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk: The relevant league policy requires that, in order to hire an executive under contract with another team, the new team must offer “the primary authority over all personnel decisions related to the signing of free agents, the selection of players in the College Draft, trades, and related decisions; and . . . the primary responsibility for coordinating other football activities with the head coach.”
Although “[f]inal authority regarding the composition of the 53-player roster is not a requirement,” the job nevertheless must convey primary authority to the G.M. If it doesn’t, request for permission to interview an executive under contract with another team can be denied.
The final analysis entails a delicate balance of the power the team is willing to give to the G.M., along with the power contractually reserved to the head coach. If coach Bill O’Brien already has the kind of authority that otherwise would go to a strong G.M., the G.M. job in Houston essentially becomes “G.M. Light,” lacking the kind of power that would allow the Texans to pry Caserio away from the Patriots.
That's better than a clarification, as that's a definitive description of the GMs role, so really good find there TB74.
But if offered the job I doubt that Caserio accepts, actually I don't even expect him to even fly down for an interview.
From what I can gather this guy and his family are really entrenched Bostonians, his wife was even educated @ Boston U. and is also employed by the Kraft organization.
And also there's a very strong regional bias in the NorthEast especially in Boston vs Texas and it goes both ways.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
For what its worth....Mike & Seth also had Breer on 610 this morning & he as well as John and Lance seem to imply that this had very little to do with the Tytus Howard /Andre Dillard pick like a few have insinuated. Cal along with this this Easterby guy - & by extension BoB seems to believe that Gaine wasn't up for it & that they could do better at the GM spot...or IOW's The GM job was just too big for Gaine.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/10/h...-caserio-cam-newton-panthers-joe-douglas-jets
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/10/h...-caserio-cam-newton-panthers-joe-douglas-jets
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Number19
Hall of Fame
This begins to ring more to the truth of how this all came down. Easterby was hired only this past April and I've read one report that he is tight with O'Brien. If the Gaines firing has been under consideration for a number of weeks, as reported, then the timing is right and Easterby seems to swing a big stick.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
If Nick Casario is the man, then O'Brien isn't going anywhere. It looks as though that's what the plan is, to get Casario in as the GM. A hand picked guy by Butt Chin. Why has Cal given Butt Chin so much power?
Guess what guys. We have a long time more to put up with the Butt Chin and all of his excuses. This will never end.
Guess what guys. We have a long time more to put up with the Butt Chin and all of his excuses. This will never end.
And hats off to MrTex for locating that story.
If the article is accurate then I sure had no idea this Easterly guy has that kind of juice and connections, but he did just kinda arrive on the scene but seems to move very fast.
Mangler
Toro de España
Not really. Gaine was O’Brien’s guy and look what happened. Butt Chin better deliver or he’ll be on the chopping block himself.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Pure opinion follows.
Cal is less sensitive to criticism for acting rashly/impulsively than Bob was. That's my guess. He's also every single bit as ignorant of what it takes to succeed in the NFL in the W/L column as his daddy was. Just like Bob McNair was more than willing to listen to his peers (who he was in direct competition with) and then later relied on Dan Reeves who he felt was knowledgeable Cal is going to be susceptible to giving his ear to a trusted friend or adviser. Rick Smith had his ear for many years. Bill O'Brien has it now. The only silver lining I see is that Cal might lose patience quicker than Bob did so maybe we won't have to go through an eternity of this. Maybe.
Number19
Hall of Fame
O'Brien was certainly on board with Gaines, but I'm not sure he was O'Brien's guy. Caserio was the Texans' first choice. Gaines was more of a consensus second choice. With the hiring of Easterby and the consequent quick firing of Gaines, it's looking more like Caserio is O'Brien's guy.
Mangler
Toro de España
I’m just wondering what the hell is taking so long to get him in here for an interview? Every damn website and article has him as the frontrunner, yet there are zero reports of him being anywhere near Houston. Or maybe they’re doing it the right way? Asking for permission, awaiting approval?
This makes sense, but then why did they sign him to a 5 year contract? He was in the org before. What about them made him think he was the guy?
This makes sense, but then why did they sign him to a 5 year contract? He was in the org before. What about them made him think he was the guy?
Mangler
Toro de España
I think Easterbay might have been the one that evaluated the team and recommended a new GM. Isn’t that what he used to do for Belichic? If so, maybe he made a recommendation on who Cal should pursue for the GM spot? Idk, pure speculation...
The job became open on Friday end of the day and the beginning of the work day Monday...it not been long or forever..