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2019 1.23 TYTUS HOWARD OT Alabama State

Are you happy with our first round pick?

  • Yes. It addressed our #1 need and he was the right player at that pick.

    Votes: 34 45.3%

  • No. We should have picked a different OT at 23.

    Votes: 5 6.7%

  • No. We should have traded up for Dillard.

    Votes: 22 29.3%

  • No. We should have picked BPA and waited until the 2nd for our OT.

    Votes: 14 18.7%
  • Total voters
    75
  • Poll closed .
JB said:
there's that injury thing that Doc has repeatedly posted about?
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I quite aware of injury the previous times Doc has remained us about it and the links I just posted myself. Mancz is not some Center savior who has been mistreated. If and when he wins one of the three interior jobs or (more likely) comes after someone is hurt and outperforms expectation then please bump this. Way too much football "smarts" with Mancz.
 
Every year after the draft, I write a (too) long review. I have experience in football and have been a draftnik for over 10 years. In the past few years I have started to use a prediction system based on a 1-5 scale. I have watched film on every prospect I write about and take pride in not writing another grades article echoing conventional wisdom. I enjoy going against the consensus, but my picks are based on film study.

I was going to write some hits and misses, but if you don’t want to read because Mayfield had a great rookie year and I gave him a 1, then oh well. I’ve also nailed a lot of things that no one was saying (Mariota/Winston both struggling, Tarik Cohen, David Johnson, Travis Frederick, Greg Robinson Bust, Dion Jordan Bust, 2011 QB Class, T.Y. Antonio Brown shout-out to DraftCountdown, etc.). Browns, Saints, Cowboys, Bears are last.

* Draft grades are pointless.
* All I do is predict a player’s career on a scale of 1-5 (1 is a bust, 5 an All-Pro).
* Now, it is a ridiculous exercise, and very difficult.
* I have gotten many right, and many wrong over the years.
* Every other analyst gives unrealistically optimistic draft grades.
* Listen, this is difficult, but it’s fun to do and I’m the only one to do it each year.
* Just understand that my picks are rooted in film study.
* Overall, I try to pick more busts because it’s more realistic.
* Not every fan wants to read negative reviews.
* Explanation for grading scale and math behind picks: https://www.draft32.com/true-pick-values
So, here are my predictions for the first rounders with some bonus players that I scouted.

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Because Dillard and Howard are contextually linked, I’ve included both here:
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22. Eagles – Andre Dillard – 2

Predicting Andre Dillard’s career comes down to one question: Can finesse-first work in the NFL? Dillard is smart with great feet. He just may not be physical or nasty enough to be a franchise LT. It’s also important to remember that while skill positions have to make a tough transition from Air Raid offenses, OL must basically re-learn everything as well. He got whooped at the Senior Bowl by the Texas DE. He has the tools to make the jump but there are more questions than answers here. Jumping over Houston to get Wentz’s next blindside protector might actually bite the Eagles because Tytus Howard is actually better.

23. Texans – Tytus Howard – 4

Scouting Howard is very simple. He kick-slides well, moves well, and needs to get stronger. He can handle speed. Some OL have quirks where they play better on one side, so I hope that’s not the case with Howard, because he played RT at Alabama State and the Senior Bowl. He gets into stalemates too much in the run game but he handled everything Auburn threw at him in terms of speed and power rushers and his game translates to the pros in a big way. I think he has more upside than Dillard.

Coincidentally, their 5th-rounder, Texas DE Charles Omenihu (3) whooped Andre Dillard at the Senior Bowl and has all the tools of a steal.
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Full draft writeup: https://www.draft32.com/copy-of-2018-nfl-draft-review
 
zshawn10 said:
Full draft writeup: https://www.draft32.com/copy-of-2018-nfl-draft-review
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22. Eagles – Andre Dillard – 2


Predicting Andre Dillard’s career comes down to one question: Can finesse-first work in the NFL? Dillard is smart with great feet. He just may not be physical or nasty enough to be a franchise LT. It’s also important to remember that while skill positions have to make a tough transition from Air Raid offenses, OL must basically re-learn everything as well. He got whooped at the Senior Bowl by the Texas DE. He has the tools to make the jump but there are more questions than answers here. Jumping over Houston to get Wentz’s next blindside protector might actually bite the Eagles because Tytus Howard is actually better.


23. Texans – Tytus Howard - 4


Scouting Howard is very simple. He kick-slides well, moves well, and needs to get stronger. He can handle speed. Some OL have quirks where they play better on one side, so I hope that’s not the case with Howard, because he played RT at Alabama State and the Senior Bowl. He gets into stalemates too much in the run game but he handled everything Auburn threw at him in terms of speed and power rushers and his game translates to the pros in a big way. I think he has more upside than Dillard.


Coincidentally, their 5th-rounder, Texas DE Charles Omenihu (3) whooped Andre Dillard at the Senior Bowl and has all the tools of a steal.
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If the Texans really did prefer Howard over Dillard maybe that was a contributing factor to their decision to draft him ?
 
Don't know who wrote the article...but I hope he knows his stuff.

22. Eagles – Andre Dillard – 2


Predicting Andre Dillard’s career comes down to one question: Can finesse-first work in the NFL? Dillard is smart with great feet. He just may not be physical or nasty enough to be a franchise LT. It’s also important to remember that while skill positions have to make a tough transition from Air Raid offenses, OL must basically re-learn everything as well. He got whooped at the Senior Bowl by the Texas DE. He has the tools to make the jump but there are more questions than answers here. Jumping over Houston to get Wentz’s next blindside protector might actually bite the Eagles because Tytus Howard is actually better.


23. Texans – Tytus Howard - 4


Scouting Howard is very simple. He kick-slides well, moves well, and needs to get stronger. He can handle speed. Some OL have quirks where they play better on one side, so I hope that’s not the case with Howard, because he played RT at Alabama State and the Senior Bowl. He gets into stalemates too much in the run game but he handled everything Auburn threw at him in terms of speed and power rushers and his game translates to the pros in a big way. I think he has more upside than Dillard.


Coincidentally, their 5th-rounder, Texas DE Charles Omenihu (3) whooped Andre Dillard at the Senior Bowl and has all the tools of a steal.

EDIT: Me and ID must have posted at the same instant.

:coffee:
 
IDEXAN said:
22. Eagles – Andre Dillard – 2


Predicting Andre Dillard’s career comes down to one question: Can finesse-first work in the NFL? Dillard is smart with great feet. He just may not be physical or nasty enough to be a franchise LT. It’s also important to remember that while skill positions have to make a tough transition from Air Raid offenses, OL must basically re-learn everything as well. He got whooped at the Senior Bowl by the Texas DE. He has the tools to make the jump but there are more questions than answers here. Jumping over Houston to get Wentz’s next blindside protector might actually bite the Eagles because Tytus Howard is actually better.


23. Texans – Tytus Howard - 4


Scouting Howard is very simple. He kick-slides well, moves well, and needs to get stronger. He can handle speed. Some OL have quirks where they play better on one side, so I hope that’s not the case with Howard, because he played RT at Alabama State and the Senior Bowl. He gets into stalemates too much in the run game but he handled everything Auburn threw at him in terms of speed and power rushers and his game translates to the pros in a big way. I think he has more upside than Dillard.


Coincidentally, their 5th-rounder, Texas DE Charles Omenihu (3) whooped Andre Dillard at the Senior Bowl and has all the tools of a steal.
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If the Texans really did prefer Howard over Dillard maybe that was a contributing factor to their decision to draft him ?
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Where were these reports before the draft?
 
mussop said:
Where were these reports before the draft?
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Interested if he had a mock draft. Couldn't find the author of the article. Cliked on the Utube link he posted but this ancient arse computer was built pre U tube I believe, wouldn't load it up.

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cuppacoffee said:
Don't know who wrote the article...but I hope he knows his stuff.

22. Eagles – Andre Dillard – 2


Predicting Andre Dillard’s career comes down to one question: Can finesse-first work in the NFL? Dillard is smart with great feet. He just may not be physical or nasty enough to be a franchise LT. It’s also important to remember that while skill positions have to make a tough transition from Air Raid offenses, OL must basically re-learn everything as well. He got whooped at the Senior Bowl by the Texas DE. He has the tools to make the jump but there are more questions than answers here. Jumping over Houston to get Wentz’s next blindside protector might actually bite the Eagles because Tytus Howard is actually better.


23. Texans – Tytus Howard - 4


Scouting Howard is very simple. He kick-slides well, moves well, and needs to get stronger. He can handle speed. Some OL have quirks where they play better on one side, so I hope that’s not the case with Howard, because he played RT at Alabama State and the Senior Bowl. He gets into stalemates too much in the run game but he handled everything Auburn threw at him in terms of speed and power rushers and his game translates to the pros in a big way. I think he has more upside than Dillard.


Coincidentally, their 5th-rounder, Texas DE Charles Omenihu (3) whooped Andre Dillard at the Senior Bowl and has all the tools of a steal.

EDIT: Me and ID must have posted at the same instant.

:coffee:
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But thanks to zshawn10 who is the one who provided all of us with the link, and like C&D said it's got some dang interesting observations.
 
zshawn10 said:
Full draft writeup: https://www.draft32.com/copy-of-2018-nfl-draft-review
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Before everyone hangs their hat on this guy's take, just bear in mind that this was his write-up on Watson:

WATSON PREPARING FOR O'BRIEN WITH IMAGINARY SHOWER ARGUMENTS

If Tony Romo went to the Texans they 100% would have been my Super Bowl pick. Unfortunately that didn’t pan out so they went into the draft 100% needing a QB. I was 100% a fan of DeShaun Watson’s three years ago when I placed a wager on him to win the Heisman well before he became a household name. I still love Watson and absolutely want him to do well. However, there is very little in his tape that logically points to a successful pro QB. The positives: keeps his eyes downfield, creative, throws a good seam, flashes nice touch, comfortable moving inside and outside of the pocket, hits almost every 10-yard out. But the weaknesses really jump out at you when you study him closely. He does not throw a tight ball, his balls lack energy on the back end, he really throws some poorly placed perimeter screens of all things – guys have to adjust and slow down before they can RAC. A really troubling trend was his placement on in-breaking routes. He threw them with very little anticipation and many were behind receivers, an example INT vs. Louisville with Mike Williams. Missed a handful of open deep balls and the obvious issue of guys who throw a lot of picks in college usually do the same in the pros. An underrated part of Clemson’s offense was how clean the OL kept him as well, as he generally had all day back there. My final note: I definitely wouldn’t classify him as accurate. So that’s all pretty bad but it’s just me – a pseudo Clemson fan - being honest in my evaluation. There is so much to like in terms of intangibles and college performance, but digging in, I don’t logically envision his game translating all that well. The good news is that if anyone can improve, it’s Watson and if anyone can mask his own deficiencies, it’s Watson. He’s also headed to a great situation in Houston. I would love to declare him a steal but think about it this way – the best player in college football just willed his team to a title against a powerhouse, putting up great stats on the way there. He’s got adequate size, great athleticism, and zero off-field or injury concerns. So why is he the third QB off the board and not a top-10 pick……..? The devil is in the details. I’m not going to hedge and call him a (3), because if he becomes a (4) I can say I’m not really wrong. DeShaun Watson (2) won’t be the answer for the Texans. I gotta stay true to the tape.
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Or Miller:

As for Braxton Miller (3), I’ll go out on a limb that will make me look like a genius or a fool. Miller will be better than Fuller. There it is. Now someone link the gif of the spin move please.
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In that sense, he's similar to an NFL GM, he has plenty of misses to go with his hits. His observations may/may not overlap with reality and I wouldn't bet the farm on his analysis of ability that translates to the NFL.
 
Here's a real oddball take from me concerning Howard's combine results. And combine testing is part of of a NFL prospect evaluation. I'm more concerned about guys who fall far below the norm. Howard's 40 time was good. Very good for his size. That tells me he has some natural athleticism. The vertical jump was solid. But the other tests were mediocre or just flat out bad. I thought the reason was that Howard didn't really prepare for the tests, and went back to look at them to see if he was making false steps.

What I saw was that Howard was coming out of pants. He either had the wrong size or couldn't get the fit right over his thighs and hug his waist. It seemed to affect him and he was always pulling up his pants after, or even during, drills and tests. Get the guy some pants that fit, and I'm certain he would put up better numbers.
 
Lucky said:
Here's a real oddball take from me concerning Howard's combine results. And combine testing is part of of a NFL prospect evaluation. I'm more concerned about guys who fall far below the norm. Howard's 40 time was good. Very good for his size. That tells me he has some natural athleticism. The vertical jump was solid. But the other tests were mediocre or just flat out bad. I thought the reason was that Howard didn't really prepare for the tests, and went back to look at them to see if he was making false steps.

What I saw was that Howard was coming out of pants. He either had the wrong size or couldn't get the fit right over his thighs and hug his waist. It seemed to affect him and he was always pulling up his pants after, or even during, drills and tests. Get the guy some pants that fit, and I'm certain he would put up better numbers.
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I'll buy it. I think that BOB's headset is too tight as well.
 
Lucky said:
Here's a real oddball take from me concerning Howard's combine results. And combine testing is part of of a NFL prospect evaluation. I'm more concerned about guys who fall far below the norm. Howard's 40 time was good. Very good for his size. That tells me he has some natural athleticism. The vertical jump was solid. But the other tests were mediocre or just flat out bad. I thought the reason was that Howard didn't really prepare for the tests, and went back to look at them to see if he was making false steps.

What I saw was that Howard was coming out of pants. He either had the wrong size or couldn't get the fit right over his thighs and hug his waist. It seemed to affect him and he was always pulling up his pants after, or even during, drills and tests. Get the guy some pants that fit, and I'm certain he would put up better numbers.
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If you remember, a couple of years ago at the combine, Mississippi State defensive lineman Chris Jones (now with the Chiefs) had a "shorts failure" accidentally exposing his penis while trying to complete the 40.

Another piece on this incident [Also listen to the video on this page talking about the value or not of the Combine]
The combine's most disastrous 40-yard dash ever? A year ago, Chris Jones took it in stride
 
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zshawn10 said:
the @McClain_on_NFL says there is a 90% chance that Tytus Howard starts at LT for the Texans Week 1 against the Saints
— Mike Meltser (@MikeMeltser) May 8, 2019
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I don't get to listen to John McClain much anymore, but I've almost always enjoyed his commentary. If he's right about Howard starting at LT the first game, I hope it's because Howard is reasonably ready...not because the other options are absolutely awful. But I have to take any 1st game prediction with a grain of salt since they haven't seen these guys in TC or the classroom or any preseason games.
 
HaveMercy said:
I don't get to listen to John Mcclain much anymore, but I've almost always enjoyed his commentary. If he's right about Howard starting at LT the first game, I hope it's because Howard is reasonably ready...not because the other options are absolutely awful. But I have to take any 1st game prediction with a grain of salt since they haven't seen these guys in TC or the classroom or any preseason games.
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It's not difficult to avoid duplicate posts
 
JB said:
It's not difficult to avoid duplicate posts
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I'm trying, sorry. But sometimes when I try to submit a post, something locks up. I'll wait for a few minutes, then press submit again. I wish this was more intuitive. You know, as easy to read as my wife.
 
HaveMercy said:
I'm trying, sorry. But sometimes when I try to submit a post, something locks up. I'll wait for a few minutes, then press submit again. I wish this was more intuitive. You know, as easy to read as my wife.
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Same happens to me
 
HaveMercy said:
I don't get to listen to John McClain much anymore, but I've almost always enjoyed his commentary. If he's right about Howard starting at LT the first game, I hope it's because Howard is reasonably ready...not because the other options are absolutely awful. But I have to take any 1st game prediction with a grain of salt since they haven't seen these guys in TC or the classroom or any preseason games.
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He must have inside info, but I can't imagine who would tell him this before training camp.

Tytus is a project
 
My hope is that the LT options (Kalil, Davenport) are good enough to let Howard be worked in bit by bit without forcing the issue.
 
HaveMercy said:
I'm trying, sorry. But sometimes when I try to submit a post, something locks up. I'll wait for a few minutes, then press submit again. I wish this was more intuitive. You know, as easy to read as my wife.
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When it locks up, just copy you post and refresh to see if it's posted... if not then you can paste and submit again
 
Lucky said:
Here's a real oddball take from me concerning Howard's combine results. And combine testing is part of of a NFL prospect evaluation. I'm more concerned about guys who fall far below the norm. Howard's 40 time was good. Very good for his size. That tells me he has some natural athleticism. The vertical jump was solid. But the other tests were mediocre or just flat out bad. I thought the reason was that Howard didn't really prepare for the tests, and went back to look at them to see if he was making false steps.

What I saw was that Howard was coming out of pants. He either had the wrong size or couldn't get the fit right over his thighs and hug his waist. It seemed to affect him and he was always pulling up his pants after, or even during, drills and tests. Get the guy some pants that fit, and I'm certain he would put up better numbers.
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Didn't really notice on my first watch through his combine video, but after reading this I went and watched again - and now I can't stop seeing the 'cracks' in his game.
 
Lucky said:
Based off his play vs SWAC pass rushers? Put him in the SEC and it's likely a different story. At least initially. Taylor is a 3 year starter in the SEC, and he has a ton of upside if he can keep his weight down.
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You don't grade prospects based on who they didn't play against. You grade them based on who they did play against and Howard graded highly against his top competition. Taylor did start at Florida for 3 years...at RT. The Texans were clearly looking for a LT in the 1st round.

Also, I'm tired of people spouting "SEC" as if that means a player is superior. It's completely false. The SEC is 16-17 in bowl games over the last 3 years. The SEC had 6 guys in the top 50 in sacks last year. The ACC also had 6. The Big Ten had 7.
 
WolverineFan said:
You don't grade prospects based on who they didn't play against. You grade them based on who they did play against and Howard graded highly against his top competition. Taylor did start at Florida for 3 years...at RT. The Texans were clearly looking for a LT in the 1st round.

Also, I'm tired of people spouting "SEC" as if that means a player is superior. It's completely false. The SEC is 16-17 in bowl games over the last 3 years. The SEC had 6 guys in the top 50 in sacks last year. The ACC also had 6. The Big Ten had 7.
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Auburn is "top competition"? I thought you said you were tired of people spouting "SEC"? I'm confused.

Howard did not get selected based off play vs 1/2 half against Auburn starters. Or even his Senior Bowl practices. It was off traits. Usually, a small college player is drafted early due to superior traits. That's not entirely evident with Howard, though teams could have seen more individually. Still, he didn't possess outstanding traits like other OTs. Jawaan Taylor, for instance. There hasn't been a non-FBS or non-Division 1A OT selected in the 1st round since Jamain Stephens out of North Carolina A&T was drafted by the Steelers in 1996. Not that it means anything, but Stephens was a bust that started 15 games in 5 seasons. Howard is a rare, near historic selection. Based upon 2 quarters of a blowout loss to a mediocre team in a supposedly overrated conference?

Any other team in the league, and everyone here would be laughing their arse off at taking Howard this high. I'm not laughing, I'm hopeful. But I'm also not brown-nosing Gaine and O'Brien for taking a major gamble and not going with safer picks. They could look like geniuses. The odds are against them.

P.S. 16-17 in bowl games? Who gives a shyt about winning bowl games? The SEC has won 9 of the 13 FBS championships. And you know who isn't tired of SEC players? The NFL.
 
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Lucky said:
Auburn is "top competition"? I thought you said you were tired of people spouting "SEC"? I'm confused.

Howard did not get selected based off play vs 1/2 half against Auburn starters. Or even his Senior Bowl practices. It was off traits. Usually, a small college player is drafted early due to superior traits. That's not entirely evident with Howard, though teams could have seen more individually. Still, he didn't possess outstanding traits like other OTs. Jawaan Taylor, for instance. There hasn't been a non-FBS or non-Division 1A OT selected in the 1st round since Jamain Stephens out of North Carolina A&T was drafted by the Steelers in 1996. Not that it means anything, but Stephens was a bust that started 15 games in 5 seasons. Howard is a rare, near historic selection. Based upon 2 quarters of a blowout loss to a mediocre team in a supposedly overrated conference?

Any other team in the league, and everyone here would be laughing their arse off at taking Howard this high. I'm not laughing, I'm hopeful. But I'm also not brown-nosing Gane and O'Brien for taking a major gamble and not going with safer picks. They could look like geniuses. The odds are against them.

P.S. 16-17 in bowl games? Who gives a shyt about winning bowl games? The SEC has won 9 of the 13 FBS championships. And you know who isn't tired of SEC players? The NFL.
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You're not confused because you know exactly the point I was making.

Auburn and the Senior Bowl were his top tests. He passed both. And he has traits. That got scouts attention and they go back and look at his body of work. No, blowing up the SB or playing Auburn didn't get him drafted. It got him noticed. His entire body of work on film got him drafted.

Alabama has won 5 of the last 10 titles. The rest of the conference is allowed to ride their coattails. The SEC has 2 titles in the last 5 years. So does the ACC. The SEC is top tier competition. So is the ACC, Big Ten, etc. That does not mean the SEC is a superior conference with superior players.

And bowl records do matter because they prove the disparity out. Bama is 4-2 in bowl games the last 3 years. The rest of the conference is 12-15. This proves that the rest of the conference is on par or below par with the rest of the competition.

The NFL loves SEC players. It also loves ACC and Big Ten players. The highest drafted SEC players in '16 were Leonard Floyd and Vernon Hargreaves (both busts). The Big Ten had 3 players drafted before them that year. Look at '17, SEC had 3 players taken top-10. So did the Pac-12. Go to '18, highest SEC player drafted was #8. Big Ten had 2 players taken top-4.

The SEC is a top tier conference, but they are not superior to other conferences. All of the data points that out.
 
Lucky said:
Auburn is "top competition"? I thought you said you were tired of people spouting "SEC"? I'm confused.

Howard did not get selected based off play vs 1/2 half against Auburn starters. Or even his Senior Bowl practices. It was off traits. Usually, a small college player is drafted early due to superior traits. That's not entirely evident with Howard, though teams could have seen more individually. Still, he didn't possess outstanding traits like other OTs. Jawaan Taylor, for instance. There hasn't been a non-FBS or non-Division 1A OT selected in the 1st round since Jamain Stephens out of North Carolina A&T was drafted by the Steelers in 1996. Not that it means anything, but Stephens was a bust that started 15 games in 5 seasons. Howard is a rare, near historic selection. Based upon 2 quarters of a blowout loss to a mediocre team in a supposedly overrated conference?

Any other team in the league, and everyone here would be laughing their arse off at taking Howard this high. I'm not laughing, I'm hopeful. But I'm also not brown-nosing Gaine and O'Brien for taking a major gamble and not going with safer picks. They could look like geniuses. The odds are against them.

P.S. 16-17 in bowl games? Who gives a shyt about winning bowl games? The SEC has won 9 of the 13 FBS championships. And you know who isn't tired of SEC players? The NFL.
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Exactly,

Great post
 
thunderkyss said:
Why do you say that? I hear he's got good feet, good hands, great kick slide, as strong as Dillard.

What do you think he needs to work on?
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I think he has all the tools as you mentioned, but he's a rookie from a small school with relatively little experience
 
FWIW, McClain (opinion worth as much as any here) says Howard has 90% chance starting game one. I think but cannot confirm he was speaking of LT. IMO, he has greater chance at right tackle.
 
badboy said:
FWIW, McClain (opinion worth as much as any here) says Howard has 90% chance starting game one.
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I would say exactly equal to anyone’s opinion here. Not really an endorsement of McClain.
 
Ok serious question here but can someone explain to me exactly what makes Dillard more NFL ready? If its just experience against better quality schools or combine numbers those things I don't mean very much. Pretty much everyone, no matter what school, has a culture shock switching from college to pro because you are going from playing against teams with a few stand out players to playing against teams that judge elite by a different standard. Even last years Raiders at their worse were better than most college teams simply because of professional vs amateur. If its combine numbers those pretty much mean nothing after a player has spent one off season with an NFL level S&C coach. Its like your GPA, after your first job it doesn't mean anything.

Here is the NFL.com break down

Dillard

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/andre-dillard?id=32194449-4c18-6167-8a82-fd2a79031894

Howard

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tytus-howard?id=3219484f-5743-2152-432d-da3c484cb3f8

So looking at that the biggest knocks I see against Howard are that he is physically weaker than he needs to be. That's actually doesn't surprise me being from a small school with limited resources. I wouldn't expect them to have the facilities and staff that a D1 school would have. Get him with an NFL level S&C coach and that multi-million dollar workout facility we have and that problem gets fixed. With Dillard, and maybe I'm reading this wrong, the big question seems to break down to can he play at an NFL level. From what I've read before the system he was in did not transfer to a pro system well.

So on paper and from my, admittedly inexperienced, point of view Howard looks like the better long term prospect especially for the Texans because his biggest issues are physical not mental. I trust the Texans staff to help a guy bulk up, not sure I trust Devlin to help a guy completely change to an NFL mindset. So what am I missing?
 
maverick512000 said:
Ok serious question here but can someone explain to me exactly what makes Dillard more NFL ready? If its just experience against better quality schools or combine numbers those things I don't mean very much. Pretty much everyone, no matter what school, has a culture shock switching from college to pro because you are going from playing against teams with a few stand out players to playing against teams that judge elite by a different standard. Even last years Raiders at their worse were better than most college teams simply because of professional vs amateur. If its combine numbers those pretty much mean nothing after a player has spent one off season with an NFL level S&C coach. Its like your GPA, after your first job it doesn't mean anything.

Here is the NFL.com break down

Dillard

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/andre-dillard?id=32194449-4c18-6167-8a82-fd2a79031894

Howard

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tytus-howard?id=3219484f-5743-2152-432d-da3c484cb3f8

So looking at that the biggest knocks I see against Howard are that he is physically weaker than he needs to be. That's actually doesn't surprise me being from a small school with limited resources. I wouldn't expect them to have the facilities and staff that a D1 school would have. Get him with an NFL level S&C coach and that multi-million dollar workout facility we have and that problem gets fixed. With Dillard, and maybe I'm reading this wrong, the big question seems to break down to can he play at an NFL level. From what I've read before the system he was in did not transfer to a pro system well.

So on paper and from my, admittedly inexperienced, point of view Howard looks like the better long term prospect especially for the Texans because his biggest issues are physical not mental. I trust the Texans staff to help a guy bulk up, not sure I trust Devlin to help a guy completely change to an NFL mindset. So what am I missing?
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Dillard will be good from day 1 in pass pro because he has great feet. He's also tested out as the better athlete of the 2. The things you said about Howard also apply to Dillard. He's the type of guy that getting with a NFL S&C guy will help his run blocking. Not that he was as bad as some on here make it out to be. Yes, coming from a Leach offense Dillard has alot to learn about OL play in the NFL. Howard has just as much if not more to learn. How much/Quickly they learn will determine the success and length of their NFL careers. Plus Dillard has an NFL lineage and Howard is much more of a crapshoot. I'm not saying Howard cant be successful but he's a much more risky pick than Dillard. IMHO
 
TheKDog said:
Those links you posted say Dillard instant starter and Tytus chance to be a starter.
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They do, but that is based on their grading system which is clearly not the same as the grading system that the Texans at least used. In fact if Howard had .17 more on his grade then he would have been listed as an instant starter as well. So what caused him to miss that .17? If he had done 3 more reps would that have done it? Been .09 faster on his dash? They don't break down how they grade and how much weight each category careers so I don't think you can put much faith in that part. I was mostly looking at what they list as the strengths and weaknesses because, other than the pure numbers of the combine, that is the only part that was broken down.
 
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