Speedy
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I don't know, not a draft nut, but taking just 3 OL in the 1st 3 rounds with 16 picks in those 3 rounds in the OB era, is probably not the way to build your OL.
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I don't know, not a draft nut, but taking just 3 OL in the 1st 3 rounds with 16 picks in those 3 rounds in the OB era, is probably not the way to build your OL.
Well, the time for that was after 2017...probably 2021 or so thing given the nature of the non-risk-takers controlling the hiring and firing.
According to nfl.com we’re 11th in scoring with 25.1 a game:
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...onType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Go
Additionally the difference between us at 11 and New England at 4 is 2.1 pts a game
Again, the major issue with our offense was the atrocious blocking. I’d also add in the injuries to Fuller and
Coutee. Our offense is completely different with Fuller on the field, when you add Coutee in the slot we have the makings of an explosive offense. If we can get to average on the OL I think you’ll be happy with the production
Not disagreeing that we need to get better blocking. I also believe better coaching would have helped block better. A 6th OLman for instance .the RB picking up the blitz better, sometimes he was on the wrong side of the QB suggesting the QB saw the defense wrong. Moving the pocket.
& still, giving up 62 sacks our QB had a reputation for holding the ball too long.
To put it in perspective, Watson was sacked 62 times. Russell Wilson 51 times. Watching Watson compared to Wilson I can see enough flaws in Watson's game to account for the 11 additional sacks over 16 games (that's not to say they're all on Watson)... but I don't think anyone is suggesting Seattle draft 2 OL in the first 60 picks.
But, absolutely agree a healthy WR, this is a different offense. But, I see the poor coaching when just one WR can't dress & that's the problem.
We saw Akin as a competent reciever & instant mismatch when on the field. Yet our offensive guru puts him on the field as an additional blocker & whoever he finds on the street as a 3rd receiver. How does that make sense?
Remember Steven Ridley? Guy was a nobody when we played New England in the playoffs that year. But somebody was hurt, BB had to put him in the game & the dude looked like a ProBowler.
Kareem Hunt, huge talent. KC didn't miss a beat. I bet they won't miss Tyreek Hill. Instead, somebody we don't know will emerge as a diamond in the rough that Andy Reid miraculously finds, again.
And yet they finished 11th in the league in scoring behind this terrible OL. Would've been even better if Fuller hadn't gotten hurt.
That includes defensive TDs. They averaged 26.4 ppg and the Texans 22.6 ppg. That puts the Texans 15th. This includes very favorable field position the Texans were getting all year thanks to defensive turnovers and good special teams play.
It's even worse when you look at offensive TDs and redzone offense.
Not sure, but I don't think Watson finally being healthy was supposed to result in 22 points per game.
Well atleast you're thinking.
Akin is an instant mismatch? LMAO
Guys like Hunt/Hill aren't Texans worthy so that's a moot point. But yes, K.C. will miss Hill. I think Hill is going to play for the Chiefs next yr.
Do other teams defensive TD's count also?
Did the Texans score an abnormal amount of definsive TD's.
I'm counting only offensive points to evaluate the offense.
The Texans had 4 defensive TDs I believe. A couple additional turnovers forced in the opponent redzone as well, I think.
There were also overtime games that added to the point total.
How is bringing in guys to protect you're franchise QB a risk? Plus you're doing this within the salary cap. For some reason cap space seems to be really important to the Texans org, even though Watson is still on his rookie deal. Ask yourself why this is.
How is bringing in guys to protect you're franchise QB a risk? Plus you're doing this within the salary cap. For some reason cap space seems to be really important to the Texans org, even though Watson is still on his rookie deal. Ask yourself why this is.
Like I asked, did the Texans score an abnormal number of defensive TD's or play in an abnormal number of overtime games?
Fair question SteelB. But here's a question for you: Why are doing what you are doing for a living and why is Brian Gaine doing what he's doing ?
They were at the top of the league yeah.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
He's not entitled to have an opposing opinion because he's not a gm? If you think he's so wrong why aren't you a gm?
I'm killing bugs and I've got no idea why Gaine is doing what he's doing.
You could make this post anytime somebody disagrees with the GM.
Why was Smith a GM even though he wasn't very good at his job?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Surely that was a rhetorical question. That just seems a ridiculous train of thought to me.
As executive:
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Scout - Dallas Cowboys (2005–2007)
Director of pro scouting - Miami Dolphins (2008–2010)
Assistant director of pro personnel - Miami Dolphins (2011)
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They scored 4 defensive touchdowns and had 2 OT games in which they scored 6 pts in overtime periods total
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Don't like how your coffee was made? Why don't you work at Starbucks?
Road closure taking to long? Why don't you work in construction?
Hate the president's choice on any issue? Why aren't you potus?
Texansphan
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Texans coach Bill O’Brien twice tried to hire Brian Ferentz. Lions coach Matt Patricia called the Iowa OC “phenomenal.” Rob Gronkowski credited Ferentz w/ teaching him proper blocking techniques.<br><br>Ferentz now needs to elevate Iowa’s offensive consistency.<a href="https://twitter.com/ScottDochterman/status/1121037843244158976?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">April 24,
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Looking at nfl.com several of the top offenses had 3-6 defensive TDs, should we knock them as well? I think the redzone and 3rd issues again come down to our poor blocking, and I also think missing your 2 of your top 3 WRs hurt us as well.
I think that 22 pts per game sounds about right with our OL play and the fact the we didn't have our top 3 WRs on the field together for many games this season. As I've said before, if we can get average OL play we can send more players on routes vs having to max protect. This should help with Watson holding the ball too long as well.
I don't love BOB, I just don't think he's the cause of all our issues. I believe we have a very lopsided/top heavy roster. Our top level talent is very good, but we lack depth and talent on the OL. if we can improve this with the draft and the second wave of player signings (don't forget after the draft and during TC their will be more player movement). If we improve our depth maybe we can handle missing Coutee or Fuller for a few games without such a drop off. If we improve our OL talent/depth maybe we don't have to keep running knicked up guys onto the field, which will improve our OL play.
I haven't looked at all the teams. I was just taking out the defensive points to see how much the offense scored.
Why is 22 points about right when we have Watson and Hopkins and O'Brien had a full offseason with Gaine to improve the OL? He ended up making things worse by playing Rankin at LT (he's a guard), moving Davenport to RT after Seantrel's injury, almost getting Watson's lung destroyed, not playing Mancz then finally getting some semblance of stability halfway through the season. A lot of the OL problems are on OB.
And it's also on OB that he wanted to stick with Miller, Blue and Foreman when it was obvious (at least for those who read CnD here) that he wasn't going to be ready.
I think a lot of the depth/roster issues are because OB is a bad talent evaluator. He liked Chicken and Shrimp because he ran for 200 yards against the Pats once is a perfect example.
HaveMercy
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Excellent question. But none of us know the full story on the Texans being conservative with their salary cap. We can only speculate. So my speculation includes the following (none if which originated with me, plus I'm not presenting these in any order of importance. These are just things that likely impacted the process).
1. They're anticipating big upcoming outlays to keep current players.
2.They don't think anyone in the recent crop of free agents will prove to be worth upsetting their long term money allocations.
3. They're looking towards acquiring compensatory picks just like New England.
4. They may have some thought towards enhancing Cal's bottom line, but they know that overall value is built more by long term results rather than short term penny pinching.
As fans, we want results now.
Huh?
That was a 1 game failed experiment. Rankin was a LT in college, missed TC so a hope and prayer was taken. Don't make it more than it was
Yep. Truth is every team has to manage the salary cap. You can't spend $30 million in free agency every year
I agree with some of your points about OB, and that’s why I’m kind of meh on him. I agree there have been some talent evaluation issues, and sticking with some guys too long. Some of the talent evaluation issues could be on Smith as well. I think historically Smith did a great job in rd 1, but he hasn’t been great in 2-4, where a lot of your depth/ST players come from. This was an issue when Kubriak was here as well, so I think RS should get some of the blame
This is where I’m hopeful Gaine and BOB having a good relationship will help. I’m hoping Gaine can talk some sense into BOB, we’ve already seen the end of the Blue era. If we can get rid of RG I’ll dance a jig
Since Gaine has been GM, there hasn’t been many good opportunities to improve the OL, no 1st or 2nd rd draft picks last year (and I don’t think last years draft class had a lot of depth in the OL) and in the past 2 FAs you’d have had to drastically overpay average guys to bring them in, I’m OK with not making Solder or Brown the highest paid OTs in the game. This is a good year for OL in the draft, specifically the overall depth of the class. I’m hopeful we’ll finally see a talent infusion
I think Rankin’s injury set him back, not being able to go through TC. As you mentioned moving him around probably didn’t help either, same with Davenport. I think Davenport could potentially play RT, but you should at least give him some preseason/TC reps for experience. I think because Rankin was injured and didn’t get many reps they felt his best chance for success was playing the position he was most familiar with. Clearly it didn’t work out, but I can at least see the logic
As for the 22 a games, I think that was about given the overall team issues we had last year. You won’t find many top rated offenses with a bottom ranked Ol, it’s too limiting in terms of what you can do. We had to max protect so often, which limits the number of receivers in the pattern. I believe this led to DW holding the ball too long, waiting for guys to get open.
Add to that a relatively inexperienced QB (last year was essentially his rookie season), inexperience at TE and significant injuries issues at WR and I can understand averaging 22 a game. I’m not happy with it but I can understand it
agreed, and that's why Devlin should be gone
Texansphan
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Yes he decides on who plays with recommendations from his coaches, that actually work with the players daily. Still pretty stupid on OB's part
Mangler
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Either the McNairs just don’t know football (which is hard to believe since Cal played football before) or they don’t give a crap as long as they’re making a killing with NRG staying sold out year in-year out. I don’t understand why O’Brien is still here, and even much less why Devlin is still being allowed past the parking lot.
Playing football in HS/college is a far cry from running a NFL franchise
Texansphan
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Not at the level that the position coaches do...
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Speedy
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Offensive TDs per game, the Texans were 20th. They were also 29th in red zone conversions.
Defensive TD per game they were tied for 3rd.
He went into a different field.
Congrats to him.
If they dont spend $$$$ like the successful franchises do you can expect more of the same old same old.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Seems like more important issue is keeping opponents under our 25 points....
The RZ is where talent comes into play.
The Texans ogs history tells you all you need to know.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
hella reaching trying to make a point...erroneous & well out of context.................... as usual.
How is that reaching?
Also play design. Maybe don't run a D lineman up the middle or do an end around with a rookie wr
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