Belichick has a knack for making players be productive. I’m still waiting for OB to do the same.
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Are you drunk now?
I agree with you... if you're not drunk it should be plain as day I agree that BO'b is a big reason Watson is hurt. If you're not drunk it should be plain to see as I never objected to that statement.
I asked, since I assume you aren't drunk now, why do you endorse BO'b when you know his coaching is directly responsible for Watson's injury, & Watson has taken less abuse when BO'b "got out of the way"?
Why would you want that guy as your OC or HC?
I'm asking you to help me understand what you wrote.
I'm sorry, I was an a stole, after you deflected & changed the whole topic of the argument asserting I said something I didn't (surely you can understand how annoying that is as it seems you do it often on purpose).
Has the Wr corps gotten better under BOB?
Watson said he's learned a lot under BOB and if Watson wasn't happy with BOB he wouldn't be here.
But carry on.
I'm just glad the McNair's don't see things the way you guys do and finally made the changes necessary to move forward.
So you're saying Michel is better than Miller?
How many games has Michel played? You do realize Michel doesn't play as much as White does? White is what I imagine Miller could be if Michel was on the Texans.
It's true they aren't using Hogan as much this year, but you should check out his stats from last year. I seem to remember Hogan ripping our secondary a new butthole in Foxboro last year and one good week from Coutee doesn't mean he's as good as Hogan. I do like Coutee though and think he's got the potential to be the Texans version of Welker. He"s got to stay healthy thoufh and so far this year that hasn't happened.
I dont advocate for BOB, I wanted him gone. (Total house cleaning)
Tell me is it BOB's fault that Watson decided to take on Jaylon Smith at the GL and got his ribs broken?
I’m saying Coutee and Miller should be considered “weapons” if we are going to consider hogan and Michel weapons.
So now you're saying it isn't BO'bs play calling that got Watson hurt.
You do know you said differently just a few posts back.
Still, if you're saying BO'b should have been fired, I think we're on the same page. If you're saying he would look like a better coach with better players
I don't know if that equals "true contender." When it looks like "O'Brien coaching" leads to regressions.
That said if he can teach these scrubs to play within themselves & become a unit that isn't embarrassed out of the playoffs, I'll admit either I was wrong about him or he had grown as an NFL coach.
So now you're saying it isn't BO'bs play calling that got Watson hurt.
You do know you said differently just a few posts back.
Still, if you're saying BO'b should have been fired, I think we're on the same page. If you're saying he would look like a better coach with better players
I don't know if that equals "true contender." When it looks like "O'Brien coaching" leads to regressions.
That said if he can teach these scrubs to play within themselves & become a unit that isn't embarrassed out of the playoffs, I'll admit either I was wrong about him or he had grown as an NFL coach.
I'm saying as I've said before they should've cleaned house when they fired Ricky. The fact that they didn't should tell you some things about who was calling the shots, but it wont.
You should be excited if the rookies are contributing. Making the playoffs with this OL/secondary and Watson playing with a collapsed lung, plus coming off of an ACL surgery that it usually takes 2 yrs to fully recover from would be truly amazing.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Ok let's be real here. I mean if you don't think Bill O'brien's play calling in the beginning was horrendously bad, then you're blind. Did Bill tell Watson to sacrifice his body like that, no. But he did force the youngster to take matters into his own hands and try to win us some ball games in spite of the terrible play calling. In spite of the terrible decisions concerning the offensive line.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Care to elaborate?
If they make it to the playoffs with the atrocious talent we have on the OL will that be because of our weak schedule or because BO'b is a good/improving coach?
He fixed the ST's and the Slot WR positions and drafted 2 young talented TE's. I would say that's a really productive offseason for a rookie GM without 1st/2nd rd draft picks. A couple of more drafts like that one and they will be true contenders. IMHO
What were your expectations of this yrs draft?
I contend anytime you start 4 out of 5 brand new offensive linemen you're going to get bad play. Regardless of play calling. The preseason helps but does not prepare 4 out of 5 new offensive linemen to play against a defensive front 7 intent on hurting your QB in a way much more real than you'll ever see in the preseason.
Yes, you have to counter that with play calling & execution. BO'b wasn't helping in that aspect & Watson was holding the ball too long & thinking way too much.
& Jaylon Smith was on the opposite side of the field when Watson decided to run where he ran. Dude's just faster than a guy that size should be.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I knew it was going to take some time and I've stated that several times on here. Steel didn't care about all of that because he was stuck on them being backups. But my thing is, Bill knew what he was up against. So why put players in position to fail. One example: moving Davenport to RT. Or Rankin to Lt. Better yet why was Mancz riding the pine.
Then it took Ryan to get hurt to finally start using the Rookie TE's in the redzone.
TK I can go on and on about a lot of things. But right now it looks like we have turned the corner. Hopefully we have a plan without Fuller.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
No...& that would also be a no.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
The game is , the qb is in the fold. Another part is they have boatloads of cap room courtesy of your main man. The key is winning a title with the qb on a rookie deal. Another key is pro scouting. To me, this is the most underrated part of football. We see guys dont fit one team and pop on another. Hoodie is the absolute best at it. Look at Vrabel who was drafted by the Steelers. James Farrior went from the Jets to the Steelers. Kyle Van Noy is another. That's what I want to see. Draft picks are 40% success rate and that's being kind.
Agreed, this happened somewhat 3-4 yrs ago. (Demps)
Selling Os off for cap room and then not spending it to improve the OL rightfully cost Ricky his job.
There's two position groups on this team severely lacking talent enough talent - The OL and Corner.
They did their best to shore up the OL this offseason after striking out in FA …. just not good enough.
The Corner spot was thin and got thinner when Johnson went down for the season. Luckily they have KJax …. or they'd be in a world of hurt back there. Still lacking a 3rd / 4th quality corner.
Everywhere else , I think they have "enough talent" to compete with just about any team accept maybe TE due to injury - Those two rookies have given them some production there.
They have the leagues best WR trio when healthy. (too bad Fuller V is gone for the season - that changes the dynamic of the offense dramatically)
That DL is really good.
LBers aren't bad at all …
RB's are competent.
QB …. he's good and getting better.
Te's - Meh , could be better.
DB's - Need Help!
OL - Desperately seeking talent.
Yeah - OB is the majority of the problem making so many poor decisions.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
We see Solder has been a train wreck and you have to be careful about linemen who play with brees, Brady, or Peyton Manning. They make ol look better than their talent. You have to develop players with the QBs eating up so much cap room.
It'll be because of the talents of Watson and DHop - they'll flat out save his job.
Pretty much how I see it except for the last sentence.
What do you think the record should be with this group of talent?
I said 9-7 before this season if Watson could stay healthy. 10-6 if they get lucky, but injury is going to decide this. They're really beat up right now.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, stop it man. 2 guys aren’t powering an offense by themselves much less a team to the playoffs.
So which is it then. When Watson was playing like ****, it was b/c he wasn’t being coached well, playcalling was subpar etc...
Now that he’s playing better, oh, well it’s just his natural talents shining through..nothing to do with BoB...
Lol...which is it?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Geez, you're such a coach slurper.
texanhead08
All Pro
We lost to the Giants we shouldn't ever assume victory against anyone.
Probably 9-7 .... The front 7 can make up for a poor defensive backfield to some extent but the poor OL play is difficult to overcome.
With a good coaching / play calling and improved OL play this is a 12-4 team that can line up with any in the league.
We just may not see this front 7 again , no telling if they extend Clowney , franchise him or let him walk. That'd be a huge loss but I don't know if they can afford to keep him , have to look over the cap situation.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I liken the Texans 5-3 record to the Gerry Cooney - Larry Holmes fight. Gerry built a deceiving record against tomato cans and over the hill boxers....nonetheless he was undefeated and based on his record, possessed an amazing knockout punch. Larry Holmes on the other hand was an elite Heavyweight Champion and so severely whipped Cooney's arse that Cooney was finished as boxer after that fight.
The Texans are piling up ugly wins against even uglier opponents and Denver may not be a good measurement after all. The good thing, the Texans are beating the teams they should beat but we'll have to wait until they face a true playoff team to determine if they're more like Cooney than we'd like to admit.
The Texans are piling up ugly wins against even uglier opponents and Denver may not be a good measurement after all. The good thing, the Texans are beating the teams they should beat but we'll have to wait until they face a true playoff team to determine if they're more like Cooney than we'd like to admit.
Shishkabob
All Pro
well with how weak our schedule is, honestly 9-7 to 11-5 should be realistic. I would say we are more talented then a lot of teams we are facing, as talented as others. If you just want to put talent on talent and say that is the only deciding factor in winning then, than how did we lose to the Titans with 2 street guys at their tackle position and Blaine Gabbert at their QB spot? We are far more talented than that, how did we lose to one of the worst QBs in the NFL who can't throw past 7 yards in ELi and the Giants? We are more talented than that group. Talent in the NFL is meant to be relatively even across the board, that's why the worse teams get the best draft slots, the NFL puts a minimum on what percentage teams have to spend, etc. It's not like the talent disparity between Alabama and Louisiana Lafayette here.
Going down the list of our games, Idk who has a roster that is leaps and bounds more talented than ours (maybe the Eagles), some might be slightly above, some slightly below, but that's where coaching, execution, and proper in game adjustments come in.
That was my point... Coutee has not really done anything, and Miller has shown little as a Texan
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Coutee looks like a better Wes Welker IF he can be healthy and OB doesn't waste him as a pseudo RB.
Those endless endarounds got to go in my book. They work seldom and are usually a disaster.
Stick with the quick slant or shallow crossing route
Shishkabob
All Pro
Those end arounds though have lead to a lot of successful runs for us lately. Not on the end arounds themselves, but on the runs in which we fake the end arounds but hand off to Miller or Blue. It's been freezing the linebackers just long enough for us to get a hat on them and spring some good runs
I was talking the avg of actual end arounds
Shishkabob
All Pro
Yeah, but 7 times a game is overkill
Their talent level suggests their not a true contender. Too many holes. I mean how do you think the secondary is going to hold up against Brady/MahomesRoethlisgerger?
Agreed, lets see some fresh blood on the OL/Secondary and then they will be true contenders but it wont be this yr. They can keep the front 7 together next yr if they wish. Tagging Clowney is the way I would go. I dont trust that knee and dont want another Cushing situation.
This is another thing I take issue with BOB about his teams aren't ready when the season starts. They need to look at how they prepare for the season in TC.
I think he believes in the BB method of peak in Dec. not Oct. mode
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
This was never supposed to be a season where they were true contenders in my book. I thought we could get 10 wins but never expected we could be contenders with the likes of the Pats. yes i know on paper some fell for the okie doke & thought this was our year to be good & we recieved some hype from random football morning shows, but the reality is anyone who really knew there were so major questions that were going to need to be answered before this team's window could officially be opened.
So far this year, we've got a lot of questions answered positively. After 15 games, Watson has put up 32 TD's 15 ints.....We now know he is the real deal. We also know Watt is back & on the flip side we now know that our o-line still sucks and & we can't go cheap in trying to upgrade it like we've been doing these past 2-3 years under Smith. We also know that Clowney is quickly making himself indespensible.
I expect our window to be officially opened next year. After all these guys (Watson in particular) have gotten a taste of the playoffs and what its going to take to get to the next level.
So far this year, we've got a lot of questions answered positively. After 15 games, Watson has put up 32 TD's 15 ints.....We now know he is the real deal. We also know Watt is back & on the flip side we now know that our o-line still sucks and & we can't go cheap in trying to upgrade it like we've been doing these past 2-3 years under Smith. We also know that Clowney is quickly making himself indespensible.
I expect our window to be officially opened next year. After all these guys (Watson in particular) have gotten a taste of the playoffs and what its going to take to get to the next level.
Shishkabob
All Pro
It is kind of disappointing to think this team realistically should be 7-1 instead of 5-3. Every week I watch a giants game is another week I get sick to my stomach knowing that we gave that awful team their only win, and made Eli look like his brother. Then we lost to a team led by Blaine Gabbert where the strength of the team(their oline) was severely hampered.
Oh well I told myself I wanted to see improvement from this team as the season goes on, and I am seeing that. Guess I can't be to upset
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Shishkabob
All Pro
The only thing that makes me pause here with this take is. The Patriots start off slower because they are playing a lot of younger players early, trying new and different things so they know what will work/won't work down the stretch. Our early season woes just seems like it's because our team is coming out flat, and sloppy
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Probably, but that's the case all over the league. Everyone remembers Aaron Rodgers' now famous R.E.L.A.X. press conference....Philly this year..It happens all over the league & i think its because of how HC's in general run preseason. Contrast that with Andy Reid whom played his starters a ton in PS..They came out the gate smoking.
Shishkabob
All Pro
exactly, I think with older veteran teams or at least when you have a QB like Rodgers you can get away with it. But when you are a young team, with a lot of new parts at key positions like we were, and have a very young QB you have to adjust accordingly. Hell BB had Brady playing in the 3 quarter of preseason game 2. It's not just a BoB issue, but a league wide issue still doesn't take blame away from BoB for following the trend