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How long will the growing pains phase last?

Scooter said:
I love that you knew exactly what I was talking about.

As for the rest of it. You're entering Steelb level of blinders by comparing a guy who inherited the exact roster that won 12 games in a season and sent 9 players to the Probowl in a single season, to the guy who inherited David Carr, Andre Johnson and a kicker (and a year saddled with Mike Sherman, his players, and that debt). As I asked you initially, what good can you say? Stop putting off on others, comparing to others, blaming others ... say something positive about O'Brien and our coaching staff. Counter with things that he and the coaches are doing well instead of "well, that other guy ...".

Unless you can't ....
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Let's just compare the offensive side of the ball, because that is each coaches forte correct? Kubiak's first 5 years he had 2 offenses finish in the top 10, and only had one finish outside of the top 20 which was his first year here with a lot of the old regime's players and Carr. O'Brien's first 4 years here, no top 10 finishes and only ONE top 20 finish and that was his first year here with a lot of the old regime's personnel
 
Shishkabob said:
Let's just compare the offensive side of the ball, because that is each coaches forte correct? Kubiak's first 5 years he had 2 offenses finish in the top 10, and only had one finish outside of the top 20 which was his first year here with a lot of the old regime's players and Carr. O'Brien's first 4 years here, no top 10 finishes and only ONE top 20 finish and that was his first year here with a lot of the old regime's personnel
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Lots of revisionist history going on in here about Kubiak, his offense and his teams in general.

As great as those finishes were for his apparently extraordinary offenses

That could never seem to hang with Manning & the Colts in Indy........

that always seemed to not show up & **** the bed in prime time and the playoffs.....

that always seemed to bog down in the red zone just like ours this year

For all of that awesomeness, We still finished 8-8 or worse more often than not during his time here; and that’s throwing out his 1st year as HC since u guys love to use the qualifier of “the roster was so terrible!” Hell u could throw out his 1st 2 years here and still come away with just as many losing seasons as winning ones.

His offense was soooooo great, under him prime Andre Johnson never had a double digit TD season. Nuk by comparison under BoB...already has 2. Now Do any of u believe prime Nuk is better than Prime AJ?

I liked Kubiak, I hate that he failed here...but give me a break. If his offenses were half as great as ya’ll are propping them up to be, he’d have had way more success here than he actually had.
 
Scooter said:
I love that you knew exactly what I was talking about.

As for the rest of it. You're entering Steelb level of blinders by comparing a guy who inherited the exact roster that won 12 games in a season and sent 9 players to the Probowl in a single season, to the guy who inherited David Carr, Andre Johnson and a kicker (and a year saddled with Mike Sherman, his players, and that debt). As I asked you initially, what good can you say? Stop putting off on others, comparing to others, blaming others ... say something positive about O'Brien and our coaching staff. Counter with things that he and the coaches are doing well instead of "well, that other guy ...".

Unless you can't ....
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A Positive is that he got Rick Smith’s ass outta here...

A positive is that he has always managed to keep this team fighting...unlike under Kubiak when they quit.

A positive is that he was able to accomplish the same level of success in 3 what it took Kubiak to do in 6.

A positive is that we beat the cowboys this year....something Kubiak couldn’t seem to do...even when the cowboys were trash 2 out of the 3 years he faced them in the regular season.

A positive is we beat Indy in Indy for the 1st time in team history ...twice.....something Kubiak couldn’t do ........EVER...even with our vaunted best
Team from 2011...with the Colts starting trash ass Dan Orlovsky....1 of Indy’s 2 wins that year...but his offense was great though!!!!!

How’s that
 
One thing I liked about Kubiak’s Texans is that almost from the beginning he knew what he wanted from his offense. And the ZBS was a perfect match for the personnel. But I remember also being critical of this because it didn’t matter the defense, Kubiak wasn’t going to change his offense, even a little. He turned his biggest strength against himself.

I still don’t know what O’Brien’s trying to achieve. In games the Texans lead at halftime he decides, ok, that was working so now I’m going to try something different.
 
Mr teX said:
A Positive is that he got Rick Smith’s ass outta here...

A positive is that he has always managed to keep this team fighting...unlike under Kubiak when they quit.

A positive is that he was able to accomplish the same level of success in 3 what it took Kubiak to do in 6.

A positive is that we beat the cowboys this year....something Kubiak couldn’t seem to do...even when the cowboys were trash 2 out of the 3 years he faced them in the regular season.

A positive is we beat Indy in Indy for the 1st time in team history ...twice.....something Kubiak couldn’t do ........EVER...even with our vaunted best
Team from 2011...with the Colts starting trash ass Dan Orlovsky....1 of Indy’s 2 wins that year...but his offense was great though!!!!!

How’s that
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Still focused on everybody else (Steelb's second account?). You're the lone ranger defending O'Brien here, is beating Orlovsky and comparing to the HC of a team that had less talent than it's expansion draft your idea of praise? We were so deficient that we got our first win against the Colts (Peyton Manning's Colts, better regular season than the Patriots, how are we doing against them?) win Ron Dayne. O'Brien inherited 4 Probowl linemen, Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Deandre Hopkins, and Owen Daniels ... sounds kinda silly when spelled out huh. Focus on 2013+, what is O'Brien doing that moves you. Why are you his biggest fan when everyone else wants him gone. Try to stay on track grasshopper, what makes O'Brien special and worth you basically standing alone against the tide of hate ... tell me about what O'Brien is doing. As our offensive coordinator that should be doubly easy.
 
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banned1976 said:
One thing I liked about Kubiak’s Texans is that almost from the beginning he knew what he wanted from his offense. And the ZBS was a perfect match for the personnel. But I remember also being critical of this because it didn’t matter the defense, Kubiak wasn’t going to change his offense, even a little. He turned his biggest strength against himself.

I still don’t know what O’Brien’s trying to achieve. In games the Texans lead at halftime he decides, ok, that was working so now I’m going to try something different.
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Yeah apparently that big ass Denny’s menu had like 6 plays on it that didn’t allow for flexibility...”9 in the box for Foster? Ehhhh..let’s run this power run play through the A gap!”

What folks fail to realize is both of these HC had/have the same issue...just in different areas. For Kubiak, his talent issue was narrowed to 1 position: QB. Schaub was the weakest link on offense. When the chips were down and we had to have it to win, it was almost a guarantee Schaub was gonna find some way to blow it and bad schaub would show up.

For Bob, the talent deficiency is the o-line and it’s been that since Hoyer really. Any time we’ve gotten momentum to fight back into games, the o-line rears it’s ugly head by giving up a sack or drawing a penalty of some sort. I’m inclined to believe an even competent line would obviously improve the run game dramatically even with who we have at rb..and of course this would improve the offense.
 
You guys started the comparisons when u started pumping up the Kubiak era here like we were the 80’s 49ers and he was Bill Walsh.

But you asked for positives I gave u positives. It ain’t flattering of your boy and I didn’t expect u would have anything remotely relevant to come back with.

And for the record, it doesn’t really matter to me what happens with BoB, I just root for my team and want them to win...whether they score 10 ppg or 30. The other end of it is I like pointing out the absurdity of how some of u fans think. Kubiak and Bob are pretty much the same guy as far as what they’ve accomplished here as the Texans’ HC. Only in the minds of silly fans is there some stark difference between the 2.
 
Scooter said:
Still focused on everybody else (Steelb's second account?). You're the lone ranger defending O'Brien here, is beating Orlovsky and comparing to the HC of a team that had less talent than it's expansion draft your idea of praise? We were so deficient that we got our first win against the Colts (Peyton Manning's Colts, better regular season than the Patriots, how are we doing against them?) win Ron Dayne. O'Brien inherited 4 Probowl linemen, Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Deandre Hopkins, and Owen Daniels ... sounds kinda silly when spelled out huh. Focus on 2013+, what is O'Brien doing that moves you. Why are you his biggest fan when everyone else wants him gone. Try to stay on track grasshopper, what makes O'Brien special and worth you basically standing alone against the tide of hate ... tell me about what O'Brien is doing. As our offensive coordinator that should be doubly easy.
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you’re out of your depth homie.

Lol At a broke down Arian foster, broke down Owen Daniels, an AJ on the backside of his career and 4 pro bowl o-linemen...of which 2 were run off by Smith. listen to Arians Podcast with DB...dude specifically cites the bullshit Smith and McNair pilled that turned him off from wanting to be here anymore. Meyers was just about done...so

All that drivel you wrote I’m sure sounded better in your head than it actually was.
 
There's just no comparison to Kubiak. After Kubiak left, he went to Baltimore and made a bad offense into a top 10 offense in 1 year then he won a super bowl.

Pretty impressive of him to do that without his players. He adapted to the rosters.

Meanwhile O'Brien is in his 5th year still whining that he doesn't have his guys because of Rick.
 
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TheKDog said:
There's just no comparison to Kubiak. After Kubiak left, he went to Baltimore and made a and offense into a top 10 offense in 1 year then he won a super bowl.

Pretty impressive of him to do that without his players. He adapted to the rosters.

Meanwhile O'Brien is in his 5th year still whining that he doesn't have his guys because of Rick.
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Lol...as an OC...tell me what was Kubiak record in his 5th year as a HC with the Texans?
 
Mr teX said:
Lol...as an OC...tell me what was Kubiak record in his 5th year as a HC with the Texans?
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Kubiak's work as the Ravens' OC is nothing to LOL about. In one year, he accomplished more than any offense O'Brien has rolled out with the Texans.

The Cardinals fired Mike McCoy today. By many accounts he's a great OC. Last year the Vikings fired Norv Turner. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Maybe O'Brien is in the same box. He might be a better OC than HC or he just might not be able to make it work with this Texans' roster.

Brian Billick was the OC for one of the greatest offenses in NFL history. He gets hired as the Ravens HC and he fields one of the worst offenses in NFL history for multiple years. The Ravens defense carried his team to a Super Bowl and made them a perennial playoff contender.

It's not unreasonable for fans to lose faith in O'Brien's ability to field a competent offense or to believe Bill O'Brien is this generations Brian Billick. I don't understand why you are jumping through hoops to pin all of O'Brien's shortcomings on everyone else.
 
Earl34 said:
Kubiak's work as the Ravens' OC is nothing to LOL about. In one year, he accomplished more than any offense O'Brien has rolled out with the Texans.

The Cardinals fired Mike McCoy today. By many accounts he's a great OC. Last year the Vikings fired Norv Turner. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Maybe O'Brien is in the same box. He might be a better OC than HC or he just might not be able to make it work with this Texans' roster.

Brian Billick was the OC for one of the greatest offenses in NFL history. He gets hired as the Ravens HC and he fields one of the worst offenses in NFL history for multiple years. The Ravens defense carried his team to a Super Bowl and made them a perennial playoff contender.

It's not unreasonable for fans to lose faith in O'Brien's ability to field a competent offense or to believe Bill O'Brien is this generations Brian Billick. I don't understand why you are jumping through hoops to pin all of O'Brien's shortcomings on everyone else.
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I’m not jumping through hoops to do anything man. As I’ve said, I could care less what happens with BoB. I simply see the whole picture, that a few in here don’t like to acknowledge.

Like I stated, Kubiak, Billick, BoB..Weiss...McDaniels and numerous other guys whom have gotten HC gigs based off of their perceived expertise as offensive guys have failed for not being able to jumpstart Their respective teams’ offense. All I’ve been saying is that it hasn’t been b/c these guys don’t know what they’re doing or they forgot how to coach offense. It’s b/c these guys don’t have near bout the same talent they had to work with where they were before. BoB and his situation here is no different man....
 
Well to sum up this debate......Houston hasn't had anything to brag about on any level other than wasting talent, making bad picks, signing horrible contracts, hiring bad GM's, and having piss-poor coaches. No one group has anything over the other.

The first true bright spot....the hiring of Brian Gaine as GM. His first draft was a HR considering how the odds were stacked against him. In my book, Gaine can't be this good at identifying talent yet swing and miss on identifying talented coaches. If Gaine were allowed to fully call the shots, I think O'Brien would be out, regardless of their friendship b/c in the end, it comes down to the results on the field. He found O'Brien some nice talent....O'Brien's results could certainly get them both fired.
 
Mr teX said:
I’m not jumping through hoops to do anything man. As I’ve said, I could care less what happens with BoB. I simply see the whole picture, that a few in here don’t like to acknowledge.

Like I stated, Kubiak, Billick, BoB..Weiss...McDaniels and numerous other guys whom have gotten HC gigs based off of their perceived expertise as offensive guys have failed for not being able to jumpstart Their respective teams’ offense. All I’ve been saying is that it hasn’t been b/c these guys don’t know what they’re doing or they forgot how to coach offense. It’s b/c these guys don’t have near bout the same talent they had to work with where they were before. BoB and his situation here is no different man....
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We all see the whole picture of Bill Obrien body of work as the HC/OC. And Tex it's not a good one at all. That picture is sloppy as hell.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Well to sum up this debate......Houston hasn't had anything to brag about on any level other than wasting talent, making bad picks, signing horrible contracts, hiring bad GM's, and having piss-poor coaches. No one group has anything over the other.

The first true bright spot....the hiring of Brian Gaine as GM. His first draft was a HR considering how the odds were stacked against him. In my book, Gaine can't be this good at identifying talent yet swing and miss on identifying talented coaches. If Gaine were allowed to fully call the shots, I think O'Brien would be out, regardless of their friendship b/c in the end, it comes down to the results on the field. He found O'Brien some nice talent....O'Brien's results could certainly get them both fired.
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And this is the bottom line. #COACHING
 
Texansballer74 said:
And this is the bottom line. #COACHING
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Coaching sh!tty talent is still gonna get you a sh!tty team. Unless you think the OL/CB groups are talented and if that's the case we will never agree. BTW, how long are we going to wait before we call the OL mess I predicted an unmidigated disaster? You said lets see what they look like before judging. Well, I've waited and they've been as bad as I thought they would be. Actually worse.
 
steelbtexan said:
Coaching sh!tty talent is still gonna get you a sh!tty team. Unless you think the OL/CB groups are talented and if that's the case we will never agree. BTW, how long are we going to wait before we call the OL mess I predicted an unmidigated disaster? You said lets see what they look like before judging. Well, I've waited and they've been as bad as I thought they would be. Actually worse.
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Every team has shitty talent, even though I would never say that nonsense. Because these players did make it to the NFL. And those players are who the Coach wanted, therefore coach them up.

Belichick has no issues coaching not so good players up. Coach Pop is really good at coaching players up. So please stop using that irrelevant excuse.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Every team has shitty talent, even though I would never say that nonsense. Because these players did make it to the NFL. And those players are who the Coach wanted, therefore coach them up.

Belichick has no issues coaching not so good players up. Coach Pop is really good at coaching players up. So please stop using that irrelevant excuse.
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He got the players he wanted this draft. Other past drafts not so much.

BTW, do you think BOB went to Ricky and said hey Ricky I've got a great idea, lets not participate in FA this offseason?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Every team has shitty talent, even though I would never say that nonsense. Because these players did make it to the NFL. And those players are who the Coach wanted, therefore coach them up.

Belichick has no issues coaching not so good players up. Coach Pop is really good at coaching players up. So please stop using that irrelevant excuse.
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Not every team has to start shitty talent in key positions... a Texans staple
 
infantrycak said:
You mean didn't get the players you wanted since you don't have the 1st clue who OB wanted.

I mean what I said, I was replying to him not you, go to he** if this is all you can contribute the shut the fvck up and go ride your bike.

No sh!t I'm speculating we dont know anything for sure, this is a MB everything is speculation or should we just stop posting. What we do know for sure is 1. Ricky was let go, by his own accord by some. Gaine/BOB had a much more productive draft than Ricky ever had despite Ricky handcuffing them by trading away 1st/2nd rd picks. 3. As much as you hate him (He wouldn't be my choice as HC either) BOB isn't going anywhere. Are those facts good enough to meet your obviously high standards of proof? Or are your going to continue enjoying living life as an A-Hole.



You mean Gaine.
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I meant Smith, they didn't participate in FA his last yr here, it was a stupid decision and he was rightfully let go. (I know his BS story about leaving so spare me your sh!t on this topic.) Again I will ask you do you think BOB was on board with Ricky not paticipating in FA? Gaine is going to have to have 2-3 great offseasons to overcome this incompetence.

Lets take this crap to the AE Ricky thread.
 
our Oline got worse each year since we got OB. if we can't get OC then can we just get better oline coach. once that gets fixed we will be fine with DW4 growing each game.
 
JB said:
Obviously he meant the previous offseason since they did participate this last offseason
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It would've been so much easier to reply to him like this than have to do all of the typing I did. LOL

I do enjoying pulling his chain though.
 
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Obviously he meant the previous offseason since they did participate this last offseason
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2017 the Texans acquired 5 FAs and ended with 11 mil in cap.

2018 the Texans acquired 6 FAs and ended with 25 mil in cap space.

Also that was the 1st year under Smith they left any significant cap space.

Tell me again about which GM obviously didn't participate. So my point was his question should have been directed at Gaine.
 
steelbtexan said:
He got the players he wanted this draft. Other past drafts not so much.

BTW, do you think BOB went to Ricky and said hey Ricky I've got a great idea, lets not participate in FA this offseason?
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You don't follow the Texans well I see if you truly believe that. SBob even broke it down for you and you still refuses to believe in his involvements.
 
Mr teX said:
I’m not jumping through hoops to do anything man. As I’ve said, I could care less what happens with BoB. I simply see the whole picture, that a few in here don’t like to acknowledge.

Like I stated, Kubiak, Billick, BoB..Weiss...McDaniels and numerous other guys whom have gotten HC gigs based off of their perceived expertise as offensive guys have failed for not being able to jumpstart Their respective teams’ offense. All I’ve been saying is that it hasn’t been b/c these guys don’t know what they’re doing or they forgot how to coach offense. It’s b/c these guys don’t have near bout the same talent they had to work with where they were before. BoB and his situation here is no different man....
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You're definitely hoop jumping. At least own it.

Billik and Kubiak aren't failures. They are both super bowl champs and Kubiak has proven he can build elite offenses.

McDaniels is beloved by Belick as his OC.

Bill OBrien? Known for QB carousels, building historically bad OLs, getting players injured, and making laughable time management and challenge calls
 
TheKDog said:
You're definitely hoop jumping. At least own it.

Billik and Kubiak aren't failures. They are both super bowl champs and Kubiak has proven he can build elite offenses.

McDaniels is beloved by Belick as his OC.

Bill OBrien? Known for QB carousels, building historically bad OLs, getting players injured, and making laughable time management and challenge calls
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Man that's all on Rick Smith as you can see. He purposely hired Obrien so he can sabotage his entire offensive line.
 
steelbtexan said:
I meant Smith, they didn't participate in FA his last yr here, it was a stupid decision and he was rightfully let go. (I know his BS story about leaving so spare me your sh!t on this topic.) Again I will ask you do you think BOB was on board with Ricky not paticipating in FA? Gaine is going to have to have 2-3 great offseasons to overcome this incompetence.

Lets take this crap to the AE Ricky thread.
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Everyone this year said O'Brien and Gaine needed to get OTs, TEs, and RBs. They didn't do it. They stuck with Lamar Middle, Davenport/Lamm and Griffin.

Rick was not around to make that call.

Rankin may not stick at tackle and the rookie TEs don't know how to block. That's on the guys who are supposedly aligned.

Why didn't they trade for Trent Brown or Hyde or a veteran TE? Did Rick mind control them?
 
TheKDog said:
Everyone this year said O'Brien and Gaine needed to get OTs, TEs, and RBs. They didn't do it. They stuck with Lamar Middle, Davenport/Lamm and Griffin.

Rick was not around to make that call.

Rankin may not stick at tackle and the rookie TEs don't know how to block. That's on the guys who are supposedly aligned.

Why didn't they trade for Trent Brown or Hyde or a veteran TE? Did Rick mind control them?
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I agree with this post, what I would like to think is because they didn't have all of their draft picks and picking so late they chose talented guys over need, because finding a rookie starter like Reid in the 3rd rd is rare.

I would've made the trades for Hyde and particularly Brown. But the Texans org has never done Business like this. Which is why I've often said regardless of regime change, until they change they way they acquire players they are never going to be a true contender. They are going to have to try to emulate what the Pats/Eagles/Rams do if they are going to become the type of franchise that makes this city proud.
 
Texansballer74 said:
You don't follow the Texans well I see if you truly believe that. SBob even broke it down for you and you still refuses to believe in his involvements.
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You mean BOB's statement that he only coaches the players he's given. You didn't answer my question, Do YOU THINK BOB DIDN"T WANT THE TEXANS TO PARTICIPATE IN FA RICKY's LAST YR HERE?
 
steelbtexan said:
You mean BOB's statement that he only coaches the players he's given. You didn't answer my question, Do YOU THINK BOB DIDN"T WANT THE TEXANS TO PARTICIPATE IN FA RICKY's LAST YR HERE?
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Its amazing how you only listen to the tadbits that fits your narrative. Forget all the other ones in which he said it was a collaborative effort huh.
 
steelbtexan said:
You mean BOB's statement that he only coaches the players he's given. You didn't answer my question, Do YOU THINK BOB DIDN"T WANT THE TEXANS TO PARTICIPATE IN FA RICKY's LAST YR HERE?
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I dont follow the Texans org.

That's one of the most asinine statements I've eve seen posted on this MB. Freakin IDIOT
 
Texansballer74 said:
Its amazing how you only listen to the tadbits that fits your narrative. Forget all the other ones in which he said it was a collaborative effort huh.
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Stop quoting me, this is going nowhere and derailing another thread. # Wasting time, you dont like the FACT that this came out of BOB's own fvcking mouth but I'm the one with a narrative. SMDH
 
steelbtexan said:
Stop quoting me, this is going nowhere and derailing another thread. # Wasting time, you dont like the FACT that this came out of BOB's own fvcking mouth but I'm the one with a narrative. SMDH
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Fact is he said they worked together. And since you should know how the operation works. You should know Rick didn't go after the players the coaches didn't wanted. He went for players the coaches wanted. It was only two times the owner went above the coach and said get me Reed and Brock. And you should know it was a reason for those additions.
Reed a SB champion.

And we needed a QB desperately at that time because of Obrien the guru couldn't make up it freaking mind on which one of his hand picked QBs would start. Talk about never seeing a NFL coach benching his starters at a record pace.

But hey we're only stuck with our narrative on it being solely on Rick Smith.
 
Oh and I heard that trash too. But if you're going to quote **** make sure you quote it all. Not just the stuff that only fits your agenda.

And dude you're the one derailing every thread. So please stop throwing rocks and then trying to hide your hands. Come on we're too old for that childish stuff Steel.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Fact is he said they worked together. And since you should know how the operation works. You should know Rick didn't go after the players the coaches didn't wanted. He went for players the coaches wanted. It was only two times the owner went above the coach and said get me Reed and Brock. And you should know it was a reason for those additions.
Reed a SB champion.

And we needed a QB desperately at that time because of Obrien the guru couldn't make up it freaking mind on which one of his hand picked QBs would start. Talk about never seeing a NFL coach benching his starters at a record pace.

But hey we're only stuck with our narrative on it being solely on Rick Smith.
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Apparently you dont understand the part of my post that said STOP QUOTING ME and I will do the same.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Let's not pull that weak stuff and get caught up in our feelings behind a disagreement. Again we're too damn old dude for that stuff.
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No feeling here,

This is nothing more than us disagreeing and it's doing nothing more than derailing yet another thread and I'm tired of playing along. Lets move on.
 
TheKDog said:
I forgot to mention that obrien plays the wrong guys in wrong positions constantly. Bizarrely moving Davenport to LT is the latest example.[/QUOT.E]
This why I have difficult time with your posts; D was LT every snap in college and was moved to RT after one half of the first game this season. Rankin was worse than D who returned to LT. That's facts how can you say it was bizarre? If Rankin cannot play LT who else is there? Your prior post above says they needed tackle TEs and RB but they did draft Rankin in round three who was thought by many able to start at LT or RT. They also drafted that round TE Akins who many posted was a great choice and in preseason game had two TD receptions. Of course he has been given minimal targets so far despite O'Brien saying twice he had to get TEs more involved.

RB wasn't addressed as they had drafted Foreman the leading yardage back in college with over 2,000 rushing yards his last season. If you want to say depending on him to contribute this season was incorrect, I have no problem with that. Evaluating Miller and Blue as good backs to hold down fort was another error by team.
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You don't find it bizarre that Davenport was moved from LT to RT to bench then back to LT? What was the backup plan in case someone got hurt? Doesn't look like they had one.

Yes they drafted Rankin and that's fine. But his scouting reports said he might need to move to guard because of lack of length. And in any case he isn't ready to start anywhere much less LT.

That's also fine they drafted two TEs, but they are rookies which means we are stuck with Griffin starting. Why not get a vet? And why draft two TEs who can't block? Were they really the best player available or is this another instance of obrien trying to do figure out what his offense is supposed to be?
 
TheKDog said:
You don't find it bizarre that Davenport was moved from LT to RT to bench then back to LT? What was the backup plan in case someone got hurt? Doesn't look like they had one.

Yes they drafted Rankin and that's fine. But his scouting reports said he might need to move to guard because of lack of length. And in any case he isn't ready to start anywhere much less LT.

That's also fine they drafted two TEs, but they are rookies which means we are stuck with Griffin starting. Why not get a vet? And why draft two TEs who can't block? Were they really the best player available or is this another instance of obrien trying to do figure out what his offense is supposed to be?
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Read your post to say it was bizarre to move D from RT to LT, my mistake. I think Henderson going out wrecked their plan for Rankin to sit and learn. Moving D was just a mistake that they corrected although I agree it was wrong move. We have to remember that the 2019 draft prob will not bring a starting LT so we all better hope Davenport keeps gettin better. I do think Jonah Williams can be that day one starter and why I am willing if D is not the guy to trade up to get him. Perfect for me would be:
LT Davenport LG Martinas Ranking C Jonah Williams without a trade RG Fulton/Scharping 3rd round RT Mitch Hyatt round two. Getting Damien Harris RB Alabama would just make me fall down giddy.
 
badboy said:
Read your post to say it was bizarre to move D from RT to LT, my mistake. I think Henderson going out wrecked their plan for Rankin to sit and learn. Moving D was just a mistake that they corrected although I agree it was wrong move. We have to remember that the 2019 draft prob will not bring a starting LT so we all better hope Davenport keeps gettin better. I do think Jonah Williams can be that day one starter and why I am willing if D is not the guy to trade up to get him. Perfect for me would be:
LT Davenport LG Martinas Ranking C Jonah Williams without a trade RG Fulton/Scharping 3rd round RT Mitch Hyatt round two. Getting Damien Harris RB Alabama would just make me fall down giddy.
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Jonah Williams at C

Davenport at LT

LMAO
 
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