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Which off-season moves would you like the Texans to make? (Roster/FA)

Insideop said:
Well, it looks like XSF just signed with the Tits! https://www.chron.com/sports/texans...ex-Texans-guard-Xavier-Su-a-Filo-12785638.php

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Looks like our defense got a lot better against the tits this year.
 
Just draft only offensive linemen in the draft and hope to god you can find at least 5 guys that can adequately protect the franchise QB. Is this extreme? Yes. But if you can't find them in free agency, maybe you'll get lucky and find some in the draft. It would be such a Texans thing to do to finally find the franchise QB only to butcher it with crappy offensive linemen.
 
Lucky said:
Because high picks (#2 overall) always get the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances. My question is, why not try the guy at another o-line position other than the one he has shown to be a complete failure? Robinson's inability to get out to the edge would be mitigated with a move to OG. WTH?
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I believe he has played both OT and OG unsuccessfully. I want to say he played OG as a Ram when he couldn't win an OT slot. The guy is not an NFL caliber starter much less depth.
 
Former Texans starting offensive guard Xavier Su'a-Filo has joined the Tennessee Titans on a free agent contract.

Su'a-Filo joins former Texans defensive coordinator Mike Vrabel, the Titans' new head coach, in Nashville.

After four years with the Texans, the former second-round draft pick's four-year, $5.57 million contract that included a $2.357 million bonus expired.


Su'a-Filo started 31 of the past 32 games over the past two seasons for the Texans.
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Nobody saw more of the X-man than division rivals over the last 4 years except his own teammates and coachs and yet here's a division rival and a former Texans coach
who have signed him to play for them ?
Some folks on this MB fancy themselves as OLine experts/authorities and critisize OLine coach Devlin for failing to develope our young Olinmen and maybe they are right I dunno. I was always of the mind that we just didn't have enough talent and too many injuries on the Oline for it to perform effectively but maybe it was bad coaching that was the biggest factor why the OLine wasan't very good ?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
See, the Texans have no "absolute" at LT going into this season. Starting the draft in RD3 dims the chances that the team will get an "absolute" in the draft this season. Davenport may or may not be ready to take the position as LT1. Outside of Davenport, the rest of the teams potential LT are OG's by trade who might've dabbled at LT for a few games here and there.

Robinson was considered one of the top LT's when he was drafted. He has failed miserably and I've not hidden that fact. If I could get him at veteran's minimum contract with some bonus opportunities built in a 1 year prove-it type of deal, what does the team have to lose? Change of environment and hanging onto his NFL career by a thread just might push him into salvage mode. Hope that's the guy we get.

If anyone cares to look, I've mentioned plenty of times that the Texans should kick the tires on Henderson and Robinson, since both would be cheap. They have failed to live up to their expectations. Somehow, some of us on this board see Henderson's upside but write off Robinson as having no chance to salvage his career. Worst case scenario, he has no drive and the team cuts him in camp or maybe he responds to the opportunity and he proves capable of bridging Davenport's development. If nothing else, he brings competition to the LT position. Davenport is too inexperienced to just have the job handed to him by default.
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I'm all for kicking the tires on a few retreads, I just think Greg Robinson is beyond salvage.

This was written 5 months before he was cut by the Lions. Pretty good write up about his strengths and weakness.
https://www.theringer.com/2017/6/16...troit-lions-offensive-line-busts-dc63ea1482f6
 
PapaL said:
This was written 5 months before he was cut by the Lions. Pretty good write up about his strengths and weakness.
https://www.theringer.com/2017/6/16...troit-lions-offensive-line-busts-dc63ea1482f6
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Trying to put all the blame on college spread offenses, as this article did, seems too simple. And it doesn't always hold true to the facts. Some of the best OTs to come out of the past drafts are from spread offenses (Trent Williams, Lane Johnson, Russell Okung). While Alabama, has had more busts than I can remember. No one could get Robinson to play because they continued to try to put a square block in a round hole. That's as much on the Rams and Lions as it is on Robinson.
 
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PapaL said:
I'm all for kicking the tires on a few retreads, I just think Greg Robinson is beyond salvage.

This was written 5 months before he was cut by the Lions. Pretty good write up about his strengths and weakness.
https://www.theringer.com/2017/6/16...troit-lions-offensive-line-busts-dc63ea1482f6
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This is good overview of OL evaluation over even about Robinson alone. Sua-Filo seems similiar issues to Robinson in that he has all the traits and not enough of the techniques of a quality OLmen. It appears to be a problem with identifying guys properly and teaching technique properly league -wide and especially with the Texans.
 
Lucky said:
Trying to put all the blame on college spread offenses, as this article did, seems too simple. And it doesn't always hold true to the facts. Some of the best OTs to come out of the past drafts are from spread offenses (Trent Williams, Lane Johnson, Russell Okung). While Alabama, has had more busts than I can remember. No one could get Robinson to play because they continued to try to put a square block in a round hole. That's as much on the Rams and Lions as it is on Robinson.
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There is a level of the middle manager gong "those colleges are not producing mass qualitities of 23 year college graduates that automatically know how to be a professional in our organization without us having to teach and coach them." to the article. Generally, when a player busts as badly as Robinson and Filo there is enough blame from everyone.
 
Lucky said:
Trying to put all the blame on college spread offenses, as this article did, seems too simple. And it doesn't always hold true to the facts. Some of the best OTs to come out of the past drafts are from spread offenses (Trent Williams, Lane Johnson, Russell Okung). While Alabama, has had more busts than I can remember. No one could get Robinson to play because they continued to try to put a square block in a round hole. That's as much on the Rams and Lions as it is on Robinson.
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The story also alluded to Robinson being rushed into the starting LT job b/c of the draft pick investment. He had all the measurable's for a starting LT but could've used a development season to better prepare him for the next level. This has been ongoing issue for a lot of OL. I'd still give the Robinson tires a kick simply b/c the Texans just don't have a LT on the roster that gives me the warm and fuzzies.

Davenport could very well be ready to take the position and run with it this season but if he isn't, this is going to be a long season, littered with Watson doing a lot of improvising while running for his life.

As I've mentioned before, if Robinson underwhelms with this opportunity, cut him as quickly as needed.
 
IDEXAN said:
Former Texans starting offensive guard Xavier Su'a-Filo has joined the Tennessee Titans on a free agent contract.

Su'a-Filo joins former Texans defensive coordinator Mike Vrabel, the Titans' new head coach, in Nashville.

After four years with the Texans, the former second-round draft pick's four-year, $5.57 million contract that included a $2.357 million bonus expired.


Su'a-Filo started 31 of the past 32 games over the past two seasons for the Texans.
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Nobody saw more of the X-man than division rivals over the last 4 years except his own teammates and coachs and yet here's a division rival and a former Texans coach
who have signed him to play for them ?
Some folks on this MB fancy themselves as OLine experts/authorities and critisize OLine coach Devlin for failing to develope our young Olinmen and maybe they are right I dunno. I was always of the mind that we just didn't have enough talent and too many injuries on the Oline for it to perform effectively but maybe it was bad coaching that was the biggest factor why the OLine wasan't very good ?
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/xavier-sua-filo/8668

Sua Filo was a bad player bro. It's not about being a professional scout. His hands are god awful and routinely has him losing point of attack battles. Cardinal sin is being beat on an inside move and it's further exasperated by an interior lineman giving a free route to the QB. Could it have been bad coaching? Sure, but too many times it came down simply to XSF getting his butt kicked.

He's going to Tennessee to be a 3rd guard or 6th lineman .. not really setting the free agency world on fire and I hope he plays a ton when we face them.
 
Uncle Rico said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/xavier-sua-filo/8668

Sua Filo was a bad player bro. It's not about being a professional scout. His hands are god awful and routinely has him losing point of attack battles. Cardinal sin is being beat on an inside move and it's further exasperated by an interior lineman giving a free route to the QB. Could it have been bad coaching? Sure, but too many times it came down simply to XSF getting his butt kicked.

He's going to Tennessee to be a 3rd guard or 6th lineman .. not really setting the free agency world on fire and I hope he plays a ton when we face them.
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Well of course he's not getting Norwell money but so he's not even worth the vet minimum salary, what say you bro?
If he's nothin but trash why would the Titans and their new HC and former Texans coach Vraeble even be willing to have him in the building in Nashville after watching him for 4 years ?
So then you don't think the Texasns OLine probelsm is on the cochs, just crappy
players ?
 
Per rotoworld. Good trade by Jags:

Jaguars acquired QB Cody Kessler from the Browns in exchange for a conditional 2019 seventh-round pick.
 
IDEXAN said:
Well of course he's not getting Norwell money but so he's not even worth the vet minimum salary, what say you bro?
If he's nothin but trash why would the Titans and their new HC and former Texans coach Vraeble even be willing to have him in the building in Nashville after watching him for 4 years ?
So then you don't think the Texasns OLine probelsm is on the cochs, just crappy
players ?
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Numbers on the contract haven't been released I don't think, but teams need cheap players too. I highly doubt that a backup offensive lineman is going to move the needle that much. As far as coaching . XSF was the first pick of the 2nd round. These guys are supposed to be game ready day 1. Coaching is not the reason why Filo has underperformed IMO. A guy like Davenport who came from a small school, with much lower money available for state of the art training and scouting equipment will benefit from coaching more than a guy who came from UCLA. Alot of times it's the players agent who goes out and finds his guy work, not sure that the Titans has XSF as a must sign. I'm thinking the contract is more than vet min but nothing that will be hard to absorb if he doesn't fit. I think the Texans OLine problems are primarily a lack of talent. You can't have 3 of the worst linemen in professional football on the starting 5 and get to blame the coach.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
In order wasn't it..

1. Patrick Peterson (trade fell through)
2. Aldon Smith (got drafted before we had a shot
3. JJ Watt (draft pick)

Pretty good when your 3rd choice ends up being the best choice.
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It goes to show you, it's all a crap shoot! You just never know what picks will turn out and what picks won't!

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infantrycak said:
That simply isn't true. Even prospects projected to go at the top of the 1st are noted to need development.
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The spread offense has caused most of the 'development' time to acclimate to a more rugged style of play, but a lineman drafted in the first or second round is expected to be a difference maker. Furthermore interior linemen drafted high shouldn't be as bad as XSF has been, the hit or miss OT draftee is the higher gamble.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
In order wasn't it..

1. Patrick Peterson (trade fell through)
2. Aldon Smith (got drafted before we had a shot
3. JJ Watt (draft pick)

Pretty good when your 3rd choice ends up being the best choice.
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Aldon had demons nobody saw. He didn't have the issues in college. If he hadn't derailed, dude was in track to be a great pass rusher.
 
Insideop said:
If you look at his overall grade for the season, yes it was poor, but if you look at his grades for the last 2 games (Steelers and Colts), where he actually played LT for the whole game, he graded out pretty well. Saw this in brb that reviews Davenport's season: https://www.battleredblog.com/2018/2/1/16958462/houston-texans-rookie-review-julien-davenport

He has all the tools for the LT position (size, arm length, foot speed) and all he needs is an off season to gain more upper body strength and continue developing his technique. For better or worse, Davenport is probably going to be the Texans starting LT this season. I'm thinking it's going to be for the better!
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For anyone to point to the Colts game and make grand conclusions about his LT play is reaching for straws. I still have doubts about Davenport gaining as much strength as he needs to as an NFL LT. And another glowing black mark in his game is that he virtually always plays with his pad levels high (as shown in the pic of the BRB article). LT?...........I'm hoping..........but I'm not counting on it.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Numbers on the contract haven't been released I don't think, but teams need cheap players too. I highly doubt that a backup offensive lineman is going to move the needle that much. As far as coaching . XSF was the first pick of the 2nd round. These guys are supposed to be game ready day 1. Coaching is not the reason why Filo has underperformed IMO. A guy like Davenport who came from a small school, with much lower money available for state of the art training and scouting equipment will benefit from coaching more than a guy who came from UCLA. Alot of times it's the players agent who goes out and finds his guy work, not sure that the Titans has XSF as a must sign. I'm thinking the contract is more than vet min but nothing that will be hard to absorb if he doesn't fit. I think the Texans OLine problems are primarily a lack of talent. You can't have 3 of the worst linemen in professional football on the starting 5 and get to blame the coach.
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So then you aren't that down on Devlin aferall ? And then add injuries into the mix makes it even tougher to place the blame on Devlin.
 
Playing at high pad level for Davenport has already made him pay a price in the form of a significant shoulder injury last season. When laying at high pad levels, offensive linemen put themselves at high risk for posterior shoulder instability injuries (as opposed to defensive linemen who usually suffer anterior shoulder instability injuries). This is because the mechanism for posterior labral injury in offensive linemen is blocking an opponent with 90° of flexion of the shoulder and elbows locked. Contact from an opponent running into an offensive lineman’s outstretched arms directs a posterior force onto the shoulder, thereby transferring a shearing force on the posterior aspect of the shoulder labrum. The higher the hands, the more stress to the shoulders. Such multiple “microtraumatic” events of forced shoulder retraction over the course of a season lead to posterior labral detachment and tearing.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Numbers on the contract haven't been released I don't think, but teams need cheap players too. I highly doubt that a backup offensive lineman is going to move the needle that much. As far as coaching . XSF was the first pick of the 2nd round. These guys are supposed to be game ready day 1. Coaching is not the reason why Filo has underperformed IMO. A guy like Davenport who came from a small school, with much lower money available for state of the art training and scouting equipment will benefit from coaching more than a guy who came from UCLA. Alot of times it's the players agent who goes out and finds his guy work, not sure that the Titans has XSF as a must sign. I'm thinking the contract is more than vet min but nothing that will be hard to absorb if he doesn't fit. I think the Texans OLine problems are primarily a lack of talent. You can't have 3 of the worst linemen in professional football on the starting 5 and get to blame the coach.
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Have you forgotten what good (I'd say great) O-line coaching looks like? Remember when the Texans were the laughing stock of the league O-line-wise?
Then Alex Gibbs showed up.
Remember the transformation?
Was that because we spent our entire draft on O-linemen or that good coaching made them better players?
Have you seen that quality of O-line coaching from Devlin? Honest question.
 
ObsiWan said:
Have you forgotten what good (I'd say great) O-line coaching looks like? Remember when the Texans were the laughing stock of the league O-line-wise?
Then Alex Gibbs showed up.
Remember the transformation?
Was that because we spent our entire draft on O-linemen or that good coaching made them better players?
Have you seen that quality of O-line coaching from Devlin? Honest question.
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ZBS is a superior blocking scheme. I'd be all for returning to it, but Bill O'brien would rather run his running backs into the ass of the guard or center over and over again. Still returns to lack of talent. You can't have bottom 10% players on the line and expect good results .. even Gibbs couldn't have made the line from last year look average.
 
IDEXAN said:
So then you aren't that down on Devlin aferall ? And then add injuries into the mix makes it even tougher to place the blame on Devlin.
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I don't like the fact that OBrien fired Paul Dunn and replaced him with Devlin because it wasn't an improvement. This year the line will be much improved .. will it be because of Devlin?
 
Uncle Rico said:
I don't like the fact that OBrien fired Paul Dunn and replaced him with Devlin because it wasn't an improvement. This year the line will be much improved .. will it be because of Devlin?
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No, it'll be in spite of Devlin....something along the lines of self-preservation.
 
Uncle Rico said:
ZBS is a superior blocking scheme. I'd be all for returning to it, but Bill O'brien would rather run his running backs into the ass of the guard or center over and over again. Still returns to lack of talent. You can't have bottom 10% players on the line and expect good results .. even Gibbs couldn't have made the line from last year look average.
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I'm with you on the first two sentences 100%.
Not so much on that last one.
And even if you're right, Gibbs would have shown the door to guys who couldn't do what was required.
 
@Lucky posted a LT prospect that had got into some trouble or something and ended up at a small school. Can’t remember much about him but I remember watching some clips of him and he’s a guy I’d target if I was the Texans. Dude is a straight beast.

I’d take him in the third rd If he was still there and feel damn good about the Oline group going into the season.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
@Lucky posted a LT prospect that had got into some trouble or something and ended up at a small school. Can’t remember much about him but I remember watching some clips of him and he’s a guy I’d target if I was the Texans. Dude is a straight beast.

I’d take him in the third rd If he was still there and feel damn good about the Oline group going into the season.
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Desmond Harrison. Spent 2 years at JUCO and was 1st team All-American his sophomore year. Transferred to Texas and was a reserve as a junior but got kicked off the team his senior year after 2 suspensions. However, was able to redshirt that final year since he didn't play in any games. Left the school and took 2 years off then transferred to West Georgia where he was 1st team All-American.

He definitely has all the skills but naturally there will be character issues that every GM/Coach will want to hash out in personal meetings to see if he's matured.
 
WolverineFan said:
Desmond Harrison. Spent 2 years at JUCO and was 1st team All-American his sophomore year. Transferred to Texas and was a reserve as a junior but got kicked off the team his senior year after 2 suspensions. However, was able to redshirt that final year since he didn't play in any games. Left the school and took 2 years off then transferred to West Georgia where he was 1st team All-American.

He definitely has all the skills but naturally there will be character issues that every GM/Coach will want to hash out in personal meetings to see if he's matured.
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He's an interesting prospect and we got a good look at him at the Indy combine and this guy looks to be the prototype athletic and svelt TE who converted to offensive tackle,
except to my knowledge he never played TE but he's got that type physique so he's got Zone-blocking written all over him so it might be debatable whether or not the Texans would even be interested in him.
 
Interested in Jets RB Bilal Powell as a possible trade option. Jets have added Thomas Rawls and Isaiah Crowell this offseason. Also have Elijah Mcguire as pass catching back.

If Texans were able to trade a 6th or 7th for Powell i’d feel much better about the RBs. Versatile RB.


Also interested where Marquette King ends up. All pro punter 26 years old cut for cap savings in another headscratching move by the Raiders this offseason. Our new ST coach was his previous coach...
 
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