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Which off-season moves would you like the Texans to make? (Roster/FA)

DocBar said:
Suh had an option. He just didn't accept their offer in what the Jets considered a timely fashion.
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When he took the Rams deal he had no option. The Jets deal was off the table before the Rams made an offer.

As to the Jets, yes Suh got an offer but story I read said the CEO & GM sat down, reconsidered whether they wanted him, decided they did not and withdrew the offer.

But whatever.
 
False Start said:
I would love to see the Texans get a bad ass safety. That is one position this team has never really had a kick-ass badass player at. Sorry if I offended all of the Von Hutchins and Matt Stephens fans. :tiphat: :littlelol:
I know it's not the only position, but it's the one that sticks out the most in my opinion.I do not count Ed Reed. Marcus Coleman, Glover Quin, and Quintin Demps are the best safeties they have had. Hell, they only had Demps for the two seasons so that doesn't really qualify I guess. Then, Glover Quin, didn't spend the majority of his career here. Bernard Pollard could dance, but could not cover George H.W. Bush in flag football if it depended on his life. Too bad Steve Atwater, Ronnie Lott, Jack Tatum, or heck even Willie Wood had any phenoms in their bloodline coming anytime soon.
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Wow! I just remembered making this post today. Maybe I need to start wishing for more things... :thinking:
 
infantrycak said:
When he took the Rams deal he had no option. The Jets deal was off the table before the Rams made an offer.

As to the Jets, yes Suh got an offer but story I read said the CEO & GM sat down, reconsidered whether they wanted him, decided they did not and withdrew the offer.

But whatever.
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I never heard anything other than there was an offer on the table and that the Jets had rescinded said offer. I never heard a reason why.
 
Uncle Rico said:
O'Brien: " when he (Davenport) played he held his own"

Coachspeak for "that's all we got" because no Bill he didn't ''hold his own" he actually graded out at poor. I hate when people try to tell me a **** sandwich will taste good.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/julien-davenport/11885
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At this juncture, Davenport is just another Newton but on the left side. Not saying he coldn't finish his development but it sure would've been nice to get a LT in FA. If the team is looking in close-out aisle for a LT, go ahead and sign Greg Robinson on the cheap. Maybe the Texans get lucky with this signing....if they don't, cut him since the price will be in the Texans favor. Nothing ventured, maybe a little, nothing lost.
 
Uncle Rico said:
O'Brien: " when he (Davenport) played he held his own"

Coachspeak for "that's all we got" because no Bill he didn't ''hold his own" he actually graded out at poor. I hate when people try to tell me a **** sandwich will taste good.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/julien-davenport/11885
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At this juncture, Davenport is just another Newton but on the left side. Not saying he coldn't finish his development but it sure would've been nice to get a LT in FA. If the team is looking in close-out aisle for a LT, go ahead and sign Greg Robinson on the cheap. Maybe the Texans get lucky with this signing....if they don't, cut him since the price will be in the Texans favor. Nothing ventured, maybe a little, nothing lost.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
At this juncture, Davenport is just another Newton but on the left side. Not saying he coldn't finish his development but it sure would've been nice to get a LT in FA. If the team is looking in close-out aisle for a LT, go ahead and sign Greg Robinson on the cheap. Maybe the Texans get lucky with this signing....if they don't, cut him since the price will be in the Texans favor. Nothing ventured, maybe a little, nothing lost.
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Not even bringing in FA LT for a meeting speaks volumes. Gaine would rather sign his guy from Buffalo who's guts could burst open on the field. It's another good ol boy network signing and left much to be desired. I need some of that optimism bro.
 
Porky said:
LT and backup QB are needs 1A and 1B, with TE not far behind imo.

And QB is the one that we really need a vet at for sure. There are a couple of journeyman vets out there with considerable playing experience including one with experience in this system.

I'm a bit perplexed as to why we haven't signed Matt Moore or Weeden. We could then draft a guy late to groom as a future number 2.
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Looks like Gaine listened to me after all..
 
Uncle Rico said:
O'Brien: " when he (Davenport) played he held his own"

Coachspeak for "that's all we got" because no Bill he didn't ''hold his own" he actually graded out at poor. I hate when people try to tell me a **** sandwich will taste good.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/julien-davenport/11885
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Hmmmmm......
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-indianapolis-colts-22-houston-texans-13



Top 5 Grades:
T Julien Davenport, 81.9 overall grade

LB Benardrick McKinney, 79.3 overall grade

LB Dylan Cole, 79.1 overall grade

WR Chris Thompson, 78.6 overall grade

CB Kareem Jackson, 77.4 overall grade
 
DocBar said:
Hmmmmm......
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-indianapolis-colts-22-houston-texans-13



Top 5 Grades:
T Julien Davenport, 81.9 overall grade

LB Benardrick McKinney, 79.3 overall grade

LB Dylan Cole, 79.1 overall grade

WR Chris Thompson, 78.6 overall grade

CB Kareem Jackson, 77.4 overall grade
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Lol so you're telling me Davenport is a better player than the rest on that list?

Edit: one game. One measley game!! And against the Colts? Man I need a drink now.
 
infantrycak said:
How is Davenport anything like Newton?

Finish his development? He just started.
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I think at some point last year I stated that Davenport could use a season or two of development time and you jumped in and said a second season was crazy. Seems like you've changed your tune. What I saw at that time was a young OT who didn't need to be rushed and based on lat season, I might be right. I'm not sure Davenport is ready to take the reins on Watson's blind-side...a second season of development might do wonders for him.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Lol so you're telling me Davenport is a better player than the rest on that list?

Edit: one game. One measley game!! And against the Colts? Man I need a drink now.
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I'm saying that Davenport has potential at LT. He needs work, but there is observable talent.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
At this juncture, Davenport is just another Newton but on the left side. Not saying he coldn't finish his development but it sure would've been nice to get a LT in FA. If the team is looking in close-out aisle for a LT, go ahead and sign Greg Robinson on the cheap. Maybe the Texans get lucky with this signing....if they don't, cut him since the price will be in the Texans favor. Nothing ventured, maybe a little, nothing lost.
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Idk why you have this infatuation with Greg Robinson but the dude sucks. Robinson is going into his 4th season and still hasn't figured it out. Much rather see what Davenport has to offer.
PFF graded Robinson 36.6, #78 Tackle. Davenport 47.6. Basically someone from the stands has just as good of a chance as Robinson.
 
Uncle Rico said:
O'Brien: " when he (Davenport) played he held his own"

Coachspeak for "that's all we got" because no Bill he didn't ''hold his own" he actually graded out at poor. I hate when people try to tell me a **** sandwich will taste good.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/julien-davenport/11885
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If you look at his overall grade for the season, yes it was poor, but if you look at his grades for the last 2 games (Steelers and Colts), where he actually played LT for the whole game, he graded out pretty well. Saw this in brb that reviews Davenport's season: https://www.battleredblog.com/2018/2/1/16958462/houston-texans-rookie-review-julien-davenport

He has all the tools for the LT position (size, arm length, foot speed) and all he needs is an off season to gain more upper body strength and continue developing his technique. For better or worse, Davenport is probably going to be the Texans starting LT this season. I'm thinking it's going to be for the better!
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I think at some point last year I stated that Davenport could use a season or two of development time and you jumped in and said a second season was crazy. Seems like you've changed your tune.
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Nope. What I said was I am against arbitrarily sitting people. You play the best player possible on the roster.

I probably also said something along the lines of it's ridiculous to determine, mid-rookie season, the fate of a player in their 2nd season as there is typically a large jump after the 1st full time NFL off-season between years 1 and 2.

And you didn't answer how Davenport and Newton are similar.
 
PapaL said:
Idk why you have this infatuation with Greg Robinson but the dude sucks.
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Because high picks (#2 overall) always get the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances. My question is, why not try the guy at another o-line position other than the one he has shown to be a complete failure? Robinson's inability to get out to the edge would be mitigated with a move to OG. WTH?
 
I’d rather just go with Davenport than sign Greg Robinson. Davenport was a developmental guy when he was drafted... he needs reps to develop unless there is a player in front of him that is clearly better... which Robinson is not.
 
I get the developmental argument for Davenport .. my concern lies with the level of competition in college and also the 2 games where he performed well.

Do we really want a guy protecting the franchise QB figuring it out on the job? TT server would blow up if Watson gets hurt because of a blown assignment by Davenport. Von Miller. Calais Campbell. Myles Garrett. DeMarcus Lawrence. The entire defensive front for Philly.

Sorry if I'm not as enthused.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I get the developmental argument for Davenport .. my concern lies with the level of competition in college and also the 2 games where he performed well.

Do we really want a guy protecting the franchise QB figuring it out on the job? TT server would blow up if Watson gets hurt because of a blown assignment by Davenport. Von Miller. Calais Campbell. Myles Garrett. DeMarcus Lawrence. The entire defensive front for Philly.

Sorry if I'm not as enthused.
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I would've preferred Solder, at a more team friendly rate than NYG paid, but that's not possible anymore. I'll take Davenport and give him the reps he needs and try to find the best possible competition available to try and take his spot. TT will explode regardless of injury, record or blame. It's what we do. :D
 
infantrycak said:
Nope. What I said was I am against arbitrarily sitting people. You play the best player possible on the roster.

I probably also said something along the lines of it's ridiculous to determine, mid-rookie season, the fate of a player in their 2nd season as there is typically a large jump after the 1st full time NFL off-season between years 1 and 2.

And you didn't answer how Davenport and Newton are similar.
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Yeah, I didn't want to say that I think Davenport is actually a little below Newton at the moment. Just am observation and the fact that he hasn't really had to stop any of the top DE's at this point in his career. In my observation, it's not that he doesn't have potential, I just don't see him as being ready to protect this team's franchise QB's blind-side this season.

He'll have the off-season to prepare for his role and the Pre-Season games to prove he can keep Watson upright and out of harms way without resulting to holding to do so. I'm fine if he proves me wrong b/c that means LT is no longer an urgent need and the position should be settled for the next 10+ years. If he's relegated to Swing Tackle duties for another season...then that's fine as long as he's showing progress.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Just am observation and the fact that he hasn't really had to stop any of the top DE's at this point in his career.
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Davenport's gone against Clowney for a year in practice, right. I don't know if he's ever stopped him, but he's at least competed against one of the best.
 
PapaL said:
Idk why you have this infatuation with Greg Robinson but the dude sucks. Robinson is going into his 4th season and still hasn't figured it out. Much rather see what Davenport has to offer.
PFF graded Robinson 36.6, #78 Tackle. Davenport 47.6. Basically someone from the stands has just as good of a chance as Robinson.
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See, the Texans have no "absolute" at LT going into this season. Starting the draft in RD3 dims the chances that the team will get an "absolute" in the draft this season. Davenport may or may not be ready to take the position as LT1. Outside of Davenport, the rest of the teams potential LT are OG's by trade who might've dabbled at LT for a few games here and there.

Robinson was considered one of the top LT's when he was drafted. He has failed miserably and I've not hidden that fact. If I could get him at veteran's minimum contract with some bonus opportunities built in a 1 year prove-it type of deal, what does the team have to lose? Change of environment and hanging onto his NFL career by a thread just might push him into salvage mode. Hope that's the guy we get.

If anyone cares to look, I've mentioned plenty of times that the Texans should kick the tires on Henderson and Robinson, since both would be cheap. They have failed to live up to their expectations. Somehow, some of us on this board see Henderson's upside but write off Robinson as having no chance to salvage his career. Worst case scenario, he has no drive and the team cuts him in camp or maybe he responds to the opportunity and he proves capable of bridging Davenport's development. If nothing else, he brings competition to the LT position. Davenport is too inexperienced to just have the job handed to him by default.
 
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infantrycak said:
Seantrel Henderson is an OT and started his last 2 years in college at LT.
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Henderson played the majority of his Miami days as RT. He was projected as a RT before entering the draft. He was drafted by the Bills and started at RT in his 2014 rookie season. By the way, that's his only full season as a starter and his best NFL season. 2015-2017, mostly downers after his rookie season and served mostly as backup RT. His decline, I believe was attributed to the discovery of Crohn's Disease. He might be ready to return to form and was worthy of being signed based on the contract amount and potential upside. I would keep him at RT since this is where all of his football success has been attained.
 
I'd say 2 years as a starter before hitting a disease and taking a reserve role would be his primary football success.

But the question was who other than Davenport and he is an option.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I get the developmental argument for Davenport .. my concern lies with the level of competition in college and also the 2 games where he performed well.

Do we really want a guy protecting the franchise QB figuring it out on the job? TT server would blow up if Watson gets hurt because of a blown assignment by Davenport. Von Miller. Calais Campbell. Myles Garrett. DeMarcus Lawrence. The entire defensive front for Philly.

Sorry if I'm not as enthused.
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Rico, I don't think anyone on this board is overly excited or enthused about the Texans LT situation this coming season, but it is what it is. And, other than a stud LT miraculously falling into the Texans lap with their 1st pick, there is probably a 99% chance that Davenport is their starting LT. I wish things could've been different. I wish Davenport would have had more time to develop and be mentored by DB. I wish they could've gotten a good LT in FA but the pickings were slim this year. Heck, I wish they would have just drafted more O-linemen in years past. But, that's all water under the bridge now and can't be changed. So, what I'm really wishing for now is that Davenport would come back to camp ready to make us forget all about DB and play like a good NFL LT should! Will he do it? We'll know soon enough. Camp is right around the corner!
 
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