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Brian Gaine Thread
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TejasTom
All Pro
If they don’t meet all these criteria they can make up for it by being injury prone.
Relying on UDFA's over 3-5 round is a recipe for a 4-12 season.
I was surprised at the UDFA quote.
Is it true that "the league is built on undrafted free agents"?
That sounds insane but I couldn't find data on it.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
When I wrote my post, I was simply saying that with those elements, Watson would fare well under any scheme..............did not say that he did not have some of those ingredients last year.
IMHO, most teams are built around 3-5 round draft picks. Those make up the vast majority of your STs and depth, RSs consistent inability to draft well in these rounds is why the Texans rely on UDFAs so much and have such a steep fall off in talent.
I get what you're saying, but Fitzy/Hoyer had their best yrs under BOB.
They had good stats, but they went on to have comparable years on other teams.
But the real puzzler is how O'Brien benched both of them for Mallet despite the fact that they were adequate, with predictable results.
Maybe they learned how to play the QB position better under BOB. Atleast that's what Fitzy said.
Mallet's talent which was undeniable was too strong for BOB to resist. Unfortunately his childish behavior lead to Hoyer/Os etc...
Well Fitz's newfound prowess lasted all of one year.
Mallet had a strong arm, but it was obvious he has no accuracy. He had no business playing over Fitz and Hoyer
michaelm
vox nihili
Nice video but any Arian Foster highlight reel that doesn't have his behind the LOS jump-cut that left Polamalu grasping thin air is really an incomplete video IMO
That's one of my favorite Foster highlights. He also juke the hell out of James Harrison during that same game. The Steelers defense was grasping at air all day.
That's the shelf life of Fitzy magic. One year and the more he plays, the worst he plays. if you're dumb enough to have the Schleprock of QBs as your starting QB, you deserve every boneheaded INT, 4th quarter fumble and loss.
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banned1976
sleeper mode
I was hasty in picking that video because I had a friend call me when I was searching Foster videos to let me know of a site that had a sex vid of Kaley Cuoco from about 10 years ago. It was awesome!! But it's since been removed.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That is not true. Wow agenda driven big time.
adama51
Walk-on
That alone should make the OL block better.
Jeff Allen: "Hey Martin, make sure you put your all into this combo with me. I'm tired of getting speared in the T-3"
*Allen looks back at Miller as Miller taps the top of his own helmet and ominously points at him*
adama51
Walk-on
My coach called that, "making them do the Lord's Prayer" since they're on their knees and clasping their hands
Texansballer74
The Marine
Painting the false narrative like he was the most pressured and sacked the most in the NFL. Dude got injured in practice in which he was not touched.
Wanting Savage to start was not going to prevent Watson from getting injured in practice either. And even if he didn't play this season whose to say he wouldn't get injured in the 2018 season.
What's crazy is T. Romo couldn't stay healthy behind the best offensive line in Dallas. Injuries are going to happen in this very physical sport.
Watson was more than likely initially injured in the Seahawks game and tried to walk it off and rub some dirt on it.
seeing as the offense averaged 32 pts/game during the six games Watson started, we must have all of those things, right?
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Texansballer74
The Marine
He did it in practice. Watson was on NFL live and that's what he said. So why yall know it all continue to say otherwise is off the chains
Beats the hell out of me too. But 'they' keep trying to sell it.
Personally, I believe the man who actually sustained the injury over MB guys watching from afar.
Watson on Watson's knee...
Occam's razor: it was compromised in the game and broke completely in practice. He said he didn't even know it was broke in practice because he did not hear the pop.
Film provided by CnD, the resident medical expert, pinpointed the most likely play that compromised Watson's knee and there was a noticeable limp after the play. CnD explained in detail what most likely happened from a medical perspective. Watson probably just thought it was sore from the hit but not a problem until it finally gave way in practice on a non-contact injury. This lines up with both of the above quotes.
Film provided by CnD, the resident medical expert, pinpointed the most likely play that compromised Watson's knee and there was a noticeable limp after the play. CnD explained in detail what most likely happened from a medical perspective. Watson probably just thought it was sore from the hit but not a problem until it finally gave way in practice on a non-contact injury. This lines up with both of the above quotes.
I guess you dont believe the video CnD posted.
Figures, because when I told you this was going to happen long before it happened you told me I was crazy. Remember what my reply was back then? It was WE SHALL SEE. We saw.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Nobody predicted Watson tearing his other ACL. You thought he was going to reinjury the left one. And you thought the offensive line was going to be the cause and it wasn't. You also thought he wasn't going to start this year. You also didn't think he would be successful if he did.
So much fail in this post.
I said Watson would hurt his knee. (I didn't say which one)
You dont believe CnD's video.
I said I didn't want him to start because I thought he would get hurt playing behind that OL. (He did, whether you want to admit it or not.)
I said I thought he would be a top 15 QB. I was wrong (Something you're unwilling to admit) I'm glad I was wrong and said I hoped he would be better since going out to NRG would't be much fun for the next 5 yrs with bad QB play.
Timing is everything... yours is an old quote
You notice in the video Watson didn't comment on whether he got hurt in practice originally, he only commented on how his recovery is going?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
He specifically said it felt like he got his client stuck in the grass while planting for a cut. He immediately went down got up and jogged off the field. He said he didn't hear a pop.
I'm not disagreeing with this post.
He originally hurt it in the Seattle game.
Check out CND's last post in the injury thread for an explanation of what happened.
Mangler
Toro de España
My wife and I flew to Seattle for that game, she (Practitioner) also thought that late chip shot he took was probably more serious than it looked. I’m convinced that’s what really caused it to completely give out during practice. Anyway, the kind of game he still went on to have that same day should be a testament to DW4. The kid is truly special.
Ok, but this one posted in the DW4 thread was also yesterday. I guess it's just a matter of timing and direction of questions asked
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
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NFL LIVE TRANSCRIPT:
The Commentator: "The 2nd ACL of your career...........it happened in practice..........how is it going?"
Watson: "The recovery is going well."
Watson was generically answering the commentator's question to his obvious completed rupture which happened in practice. In this context, there was no need for additional elaboration. In another interview on Super Bowl Radio Row in Minneapolis, he was very clear about feeling that a hit in the Seattle game led to a "loosening up" in his ACL/knee which set him up for a complete ACL rupture in a subsequent practice.
NFL LIVE TRANSCRIPT:
The Commentator: "The 2nd ACL of your career...........it happened in practice..........how is it going?"
Watson: "The recovery is going well."
Watson was generically answering the commentator's question to his obvious completed rupture which happened in practice. In this context, there was no need for additional elaboration. In another interview on Super Bowl Radio Row in Minneapolis, he was very clear about feeling that a hit in the Seattle game led to a "loosening up" in his ACL/knee which set him up for a complete ACL rupture in a subsequent practice.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I don't know why anyone would feel the argument Watson got hurt in practice is better than Watson getting hurt during a game. Neither situation is good for Watson's career but I hope he's not another Teddy Bridgewater career threatening injury waiting to happen.
Honestly, I think Houston may still have a QB problem. Actually, they do, there's no doubt about it. At this point they have no back-up plan if (I'm thinking it's more like when, not if) Watson get's hurt again. Both Yates and Savage are really bad.
Honestly, I think Houston may still have a QB problem. Actually, they do, there's no doubt about it. At this point they have no back-up plan if (I'm thinking it's more like when, not if) Watson get's hurt again. Both Yates and Savage are really bad.
Mangler
Toro de España
I wonder if Gaines will actually keep Savage around? I’d rather us get Tyrod Taylor as Watson’s backup, but what do I know? I can’t wait to see what Brian Gaine does this offseason!
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I don't think Taylor is thinking along the lines that he'd like to be a QB2 with no opportunity to be QB1...that's the gig in Houston. In all seriousness, do you guys think RG III would be open to this type of roll? He could definitely fill the roll of QB2 without a team consuming contract and bridge the gap for another rookie QB to be developed. Get 2-3 serviceable backup seasons out of RG III and that could be a victory for both parties. The key, can O'Brien's "QB Whisperer" status find success with getting RG III back on track as an NFL QB?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So what's the relevance of when "the hit" occurred? Game or practice his knee blew .. for the 2nd time. Is it to say the Texans medical staff dropped the ball? Well guys guess what? Pissing into the wind is a bad idea.
Is it to say he won't be the same? TBD. Watson is a special athlete. If you watched him last year with no back story knowledge you wouldn't think there was a first ACL. I think he comes back, is a little more careful and wins alot of games for this franchise up to and including a Super Bowl.
Is it to say he won't be the same? TBD. Watson is a special athlete. If you watched him last year with no back story knowledge you wouldn't think there was a first ACL. I think he comes back, is a little more careful and wins alot of games for this franchise up to and including a Super Bowl.
now see... there you go again.
Remember boys & girls today's word is "alignment"
it won't be a Gaine decision or an O'Brien decision
it'll be a TEXANS decision.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Actually there is a lot of doubt about it. MB posters (of which I am one of them) don't have a clue what the plan is, only blind speculation.
Which helps to pass the time till we hear something from the man.
I do think there is a plan in place. There is a new sheriff in town.
Agreed that we need a different style of backup than what we now have on the roster.
banned1976
sleeper mode
That's what I want them to do, I mentioned him a couple of weeks ago. They need a guy that closely matches Watson's skills and Taylor would fit the bill. But there's no guarantee the Bills even want to move Taylor. And if they do, they're probably going to demand a steep price for their starting QB.
I've rummaged through all the draft prospects and there's not many that would be a good fit behind Watson. One of those guys, Lamar Jackson will go in the 1st round.
If Gaine's plan is Savage, I'm going to be on pins and needles every time Watson gets hit or takes off and runs. I've thought about this a lot and unfortunately Gaine doesn't have many good options. He doesn't have a lot of draft capital to use in a trade and there are plenty of other holes on the team to fill. The lack of depth at the QB position is just an example of a systemic issue within the team. I'm not blaming Smith solely (maybe not at all, I wasn't there in the room when they were making the decisions that haven't panned out) for this issue, the coaches had a hand in this.
The face of the franchise is Watson. If I were Gaine I'd do everything possible to build around him and when an opportunity presents itself plug some players into the system that can compete in the secondary and special teams. A bulk of special teams are LB's and secondary and that unit has consistently been poor for a long time now and it's sunk the team time after time.
austins23
Hall of Fame
I'd like to see a stat that would show how many times the Texans' opponents have kicked short of the end zone. Knowing how crappy the return game is, always a good chance the Texans begin the drive short of the
25 yard line by not kicking it into or out of the end zone.
From my observations about various perspectives, it seems twofold.
The first is that the o-line had something or nothing to do with it, depending on when it was hurt. I'm not sure why anyone would not agree that the Texans offensive line needs major upgrades, but it seems to be an undercurrent.
Last year was hot garbage as o-line, and Savage never had a shot from the first game forward. I blame both the HC and GM for that utter lack of vision and preparation. The ONLY thing that saved Watson was his inherent mobility and athleticism. . .until a Seahawks defender was flopped over on him by Miller's crappy blocking. Funny thing is that it wasn't even an offensive lineman's fault for the compromising play. Go figure.
And the second is what you already mentioned: Teddy Bridgewater. It is some 'consolation' if Watson was initially hurt in a game vs. a non-contact practice and he just fell down. The thought of a potential star QB getting hurt while doing routine stuff in practice is disconcerting, to say the least.
Nobody can blame Rick Smith this year if the o-line and backup QB are not upgraded. They've got to be priorities, obviously o-line first on the list.
Fortunately, Gaine has already stated it as a priority, so now let's see some alignment of actions to his words.
LifeTexanFan
Noob
Why not work out RGIII? He would probably be willing to sign a one year deal for modest $$ and is a good match to DW4 in terms of skillset and style of play.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Nobody and I mean nobody has argued against the Texans offensive line needing some major tune-up. Everybody on this forum has agreed on that for the past 2- 3 years.
The issue is people saying the offensive line is the reason for the injury.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They would do better going after Colin Kaepernick verses a very often injured RG3. Watson were to go down again, RG3 wouldn't last very long either.
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