Brian Gaine Thread

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  1. edo783

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    I just want to put out some clarifying info about what the Tacks did with their coach. He was told that he was the coach going forward however, when he wouldn't fire a few of his other coaches he was then let go. Management was pretty happy they made the playoffs and won at least one game. When he wouldn't do what he was told to do, then he was fired. Pretty much like what would happen to any of us if we refused to do what upper management told us to do.
     
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    So same kind of ultimatum given to Mike Munchak.
     
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    Hope it works out better than “Texans worthy.”
     
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  4. Mangler

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    Oh, you mean like that time Kubiak was let go for not doing what upper management wanted him to do in benching Schaub for Keenum? Too bad some posters here will pretend to have forgotten all about that, as it doesn’t fit their agenda.
     
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    I don't know about weird, but it was certainly a first... they usually show up even for coordinator hires I believe. I wonder when someone will finally release info on what kept them away...
     
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    His other 7 year history along with his last season had a lot more to do with that. He had finally gotten the team to higher peaks and then it trended downward into the worst team in the league. The HC pretty much always gets fired any time that happens unless its their first or second season with the team, and even that's a stretch now days. I think every Texans HC ought to know by now that they'll get a minimum of 4 years here unless your team is a complete train wreck the entire time.
     
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  7. Texecutioner

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    Can someone explain what Brian Gaines's strengths are? I'm just not seeing anything really other than being around in a lot of places. I just don't see where he shines at. It feels like a Texans hire where OB is getting a yes man to control sort of like what Kubiak received when Smith got introduced after his recommendation. I think the Texans should have looked long and hard and put a lot of words out there to see who all might be interested. I'll give this guy a chance, but I fail in seeing any real upside in him as it stands now. I'll just hope for the best.
     
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    From what I've heard and read its player evaluation. Be a good find if we could read some of his player evals over the years, I know management did when they made this decision.
     
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    Yeah, but will he be able to actively persue guys around the league and understand who works well in OB's scheme where he creatively brings in players through trades? That was the one thing I hated about Smith the most was his inability to constantly deal. He had an off season or two where he did and we seemed to make a lot of strides when he got desperate enough to. I don't want another guy that is dead set on trying to follow the Steelers model all over again. Gaines just feels like another Smith 2.0 I could be totally wrong, but that's just how it feels.
     
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    A lot of us would quit if we were micro-managed and put on the path to failure. Of course, we don’t have guaranteed multi-million $$$ contracts. Else we would wait to be fired and get the money.
     


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    The setup is still the same as Smithiak.

    Hopefully this time around BOB/Gaine will be better at their jobs.

    Good news is, the street FA's that Ricky signed were found by Gaine and the pro personnel dept.
     
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    Time will tell if Gaine can do this.

    He learned from one of the best in Parcells.

    It really bothered me when the Texans for instance in 2009 had their 1st winning season and basically took the next offseason off, (Kubiak even had an elective surgery during the combine.) they were all content with the 1st winning record in franchise history against one of the easiest schedules I've seen. So it really wasn't surprising that the 6-10 2010 season followed and both Smith/Kubiak should've been fired right then for resting on their 2009 laurels. But that's history and obviously not the way the McNair's do business.

    2017 was a repeat of 2010 and although I like BOB, McNair should've cleaned house and started over anew.
     
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    I'm not sure if you are referring to my mention of the EP system, but here is the best article that I've seen about the Patriots version of it (I've posted this one before):

    The way the Patriots have evolved the system is adaptable to whatever players they currently have on the roster.

    The consistent keys, though, are a HoF QB and HoF HC.

    When I mentioned it earlier, there is clear regression with every QB that O'Brien has worked with in Houston as they learn more of his version of the system (Watson being the exception, but if we're honest, a lot of his success was due to his natural abilities to improv). O'Brien's best QB games seem to be those where he has to quickly adapt to the skills of the individual QB and not have them conform to his system. 'cak has provided many points about this consistent regression along with supporting evidence, so I'm not going to rehash and regurgitate it here.

    The jury is still out about O'Brien being a so-called "QB guru", which is a media tag with absolutely no evidence behind it. Kubiak's career clearly revealed him to be a QB whisperer. O'Brien, not so much, at least at this point. Heck, at this point, it is questionable if O'Brien is all that of an OC. His offenses have regressed every year, but I give him a mulligan for Brock (even though he was part of the brain trust that brought him here). That said, Savage is ALL on him, and he had the dude here for four seasons. Even his diehard supporters have to question his judgment there.

    Now he's got Watson, and we know this kid has the potential that can only get better with the right coaching. He obviously likes O'Brien and they seem to have good chemistry. Now, without a GM "undermining" him, we will know if O'Brien is all that or not. No more excuses.
     
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    Just for gits and shiggles...does anyone else think that Brian Gaine saves Mr. Frodo' s a** in his free time?[​IMG][​IMG]

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    Are you saying we have Gaine to thank for Jeff Allen, Chris Clark, Tony Bergstrom and Rahim Moore?
     
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    No, just the good ones. Those guys are on RS.
     
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    Not Clark

    But possibly the rest. (I just threw up in my mouth a little)

    Hopefully Ricky wasn't following Gaine's advice
     
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    There is actually decent talent on the defense still, reflection of Crennel's input.

    Offense outside of Watson, Hopkins, and Fuller? Not so much. I mean, not at all.
     
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    Just remember SteelB you are on record for endorsing this hire.
     
  20. powda

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    I've also seen steelb endorse a more thorough search for a gm previous to the hire of gaine. Gaine wasn't my top choice as I liked Wolfe and Caserio based on everything I read and knew - I don't wanna speak for steelb- but I think he felt the same.

    Gaine probably wasn't our TOP choice but he was in the top 3-4 options. Either way, Rick is no longer the gm and I'm thrilled about that.

    This was the conservative safe pick by our franchise. Maybe to safe. I guess we'll see.
     
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