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All encompassing Rick Smith thread

CloakNNNdagger said:
To name some public admissions:

Jets Tannenbaum..............Tebow
Jets Tannenbaum............ handling of Favre biceps injury
Chiefs Pioli.......... numerous admissions of personnel mistakes
Chargers Telesco..........missed on all kickers
Buccaneers Licht.......acquiring failed kicker Brindza
Buccaneers Licht.......trading up for Aguayo
Browns Farmer...........4 game suspension for texting during games
49ers Balke............responsible for the 2015 roster/record
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LOL,

Of course they do/did.

To answer your question Ricky was too busy patting himself on the back to admit picks like oKoye/Swearinger/Nix/Montgomery ..... too many to name were busts of the 1st order.

For anybody that says GM's dont admit their misses is just a Ricky apologist.
 
Double Barrel said:
It's a really good point. Talent and coaching are a symbiotic thing. Put a young Brady on a team like the Browns and it makes you wonder if he would have been broken before realizing his greatness. Heck, even one of the greatest coaches ever struggled as a HC for the Browns.
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I actually don't believe that the Browns have missed on QB that many times. Think about it - in order to get a decision wrong that many times in a row, that's astronomically bad luck. What are they up to? 19 in a row or something? No, I'm convinced they've picked the right guy a few times, but we'll never know because they wrecked him from the start. The Browns could wreck any QB.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I need help with this. Honest question. Does anyone remember Smith ever owning up to a mistake?
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I gotta' defend Smith a little here. From what we have gathered from interviews and public comments by the owner, his son, and various coaches, the decision making process is a shared process for the most part. So assigning and accepting 'blame' for individual decisions is damn near impossible. Heck, I've read various stories about who is actually responsible for drafting JJ Watt, as there are many folks that want that credit. I'm still not sure who was behind it, tho'.

eriadoc said:
I actually don't believe that the Browns have missed on QB that many times. Think about it - in order to get a decision wrong that many times in a row, that's astronomically bad luck. What are they up to? 19 in a row or something? No, I'm convinced they've picked the right guy a few times, but we'll never know because they wrecked him from the start. The Browns could wreck any QB.
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I agree completely. I have made this same point with my buddies. Statistically, there is very little chance that ALL of those young QBs were busts. The truth is ugly, and that ugly is that Cleveland is where young QBs go to kill their careers.
 
Double Barrel said:
I agree completely. I have made this same point with my buddies. Statistically, there is very little chance that ALL of those young QBs were busts. The truth is ugly, and that ugly is that Cleveland is where young QBs go to kill their careers.
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I wonder why that is? Bad luck and impatience seems to me. They never give any qb much of a chance to improve
 
JB said:
I wonder why that is? Bad luck and impatience seems to me. They never give any qb much of a chance to improve
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Good question. I figure whatever it is, it has to start at the top, especially with an owner that keeps a HC that has only won ONE game in two seasons.

Now, though, the franchise appears to be a self-perpetuating cycle of failure. I feel sorry for Joe Thomas, a probable HoF left tackle that deserves better.
 
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steelbtexan said:
LOL,

Of course they do/did.

To answer your question Ricky was too busy patting himself on the back to admit picks like oKoye/Swearinger/Nix/Montgomery ..... too many to name were busts of the 1st order.

For anybody that says GM's dont admit their misses is just a Ricky apologist.
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I wouldn’t consider Swearinger a bust. He’s still in the league. He’s only missed 5 games (don’t know reason) and he started 51 of 75 games. He was a big part of the Redskins defense this past season. Not bad for a 2nd round pick.

Why was he waived from the Texans? You probably have to ask BOB, since he’s responsible for the 53.
 
dream_team said:
I wouldn’t consider Swearinger a bust. He’s still in the league. He’s only missed 5 games (don’t know reason) and he started 51 of 75 games. He was a big part of the Redskins defense this past season. Not bad for a 2nd round pick.

Why was he waived from the Texans? You probably have to ask BOB, since he’s responsible for the 53.
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Because he was a bad influence on Clowney.

Swearinger has bounced around the league.

He's a below avg starter on a bad football team.
 
We finally get real insight into the Bouye controversy............Smith, take a bow.

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Move to Jacksonville pays off in many ways for A.J. Bouye
By Aaron Wilson, Houston Chronicle

January 19, 2018
Mirroring receivers' routes, matching their speed while anticipating quarterbacks' throws, A.J. Bouye has become an expert at shadowing the most explosive players in the game.

The job requirements for the Jacksonville Jaguars' Pro Bowl cornerback involves plenty of game-impacting decisions made on the fly.

Another more contemplative choice Bouye made nearly a year ago has had a major impact on his life, bank account and the fortunes of two NFL franchises.

By choosing the Jaguars as a free agent in March when he signed a five-year, $67.5 million contract that included $26 million guaranteed and a $10 million signing bonus, Bouye instantly became a multimillionaire as the Texans were outbid.

The former undrafted free agent from Central Florida helped transform the Jaguars into one of the NFL's top defenses. Without Bouye in their secondary and depleted by injuries to J.J. Watt and Whitney Mercilus, the Texans plummeted from first in total defense the previous season to last in the NFL in points allowed per game.

Bouye intercepted a career-high six passes and was named to the Pro Bowl for the first time as the Jaguars won the AFC South division title. They square off with the New England Patriots and star quarterback Tom Brady on Sunday in the AFC championship game at Gillette Stadium.

Meanwhile, the Texans finished 4-12 overall, falling from first to worst in the AFC South as they were swept by the Jaguars and still haven't adequately replaced Bouye's ball-hawking presence.

Instead of using the franchise tag to retain Bouye, the Texans let the Georgia native walk as he strengthened a suddenly formidable division rival that features arguably the top cornerback tandem in the NFL in Bouye and Jalen Ramsey.


Bouye didn't want to leave the Texans [Comment: this is contrary to everything that we were made to believe], but has no regrets about his decision to choose the Jaguars over competing offers from them, the Chicago Bears and Tennessee Titans. He emphasized that he has no hard feelings.


"Oh yeah, I definitely 100 percent wanted to come back to Houston," Bouye said this week during a telephone interview from the Jaguars' training facility. "Things didn't work out. My agent told me what they said as far as being told I was looked at as their fourth-best corner. [Comment: agents don't speak to coaches.........they speak to the GM who gives them the only feedback]It was like, 'Why give him that money?'


"I could see how the organization and the coaches looked at me. It was nothing personal, but I knew they would count me out. [Comment: a coach does not give the "fourth best" CB on the roster the most snaps of all the CBs.........again, not a coach's perspective]Jacksonville didn't even offer the most money. Chicago offered the most. Something told me to go with Jacksonville. I like their talent. It was closer to home and it's in the division. I'm happy here."

And the Jaguars are extremely pleased with their investment in Bouye, paying him an average of $13.5 million per year.

Besides recording 56 tackles and ranking third in the NFL with 17 passes defended, Bouye yielded opposing quarterbacks to generate a combined 36.1 passer rating while throwing in his direction. That ranked a record-first among all cornerbacks, according to Pro Football Focus.

Throughout his journey from obscurity, Bouye hasn't lost his motivational fuel despite the validation of being named to the Pro Bowl.

"When I talk to a lot of players around the league after games, they tell me, 'You don't get a lot of credit, people sleep on you,'" Bouye said. "I don't pay attention to that, but it shows the ones who are playing and coaching

THE REST OF THE STORY
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We finally get real insight into the Bouye controversy............Smith, take a bow.

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Move to Jacksonville pays off in many ways for A.J. Bouye
By Aaron Wilson, Houston Chronicle

January 19, 2018
Mirroring receivers' routes, matching their speed while anticipating quarterbacks' throws, A.J. Bouye has become an expert at shadowing the most explosive players in the game.

The job requirements for the Jacksonville Jaguars' Pro Bowl cornerback involves plenty of game-impacting decisions made on the fly.

Another more contemplative choice Bouye made nearly a year ago has had a major impact on his life, bank account and the fortunes of two NFL franchises.

By choosing the Jaguars as a free agent in March when he signed a five-year, $67.5 million contract that included $26 million guaranteed and a $10 million signing bonus, Bouye instantly became a multimillionaire as the Texans were outbid.

The former undrafted free agent from Central Florida helped transform the Jaguars into one of the NFL's top defenses. Without Bouye in their secondary and depleted by injuries to J.J. Watt and Whitney Mercilus, the Texans plummeted from first in total defense the previous season to last in the NFL in points allowed per game.

Bouye intercepted a career-high six passes and was named to the Pro Bowl for the first time as the Jaguars won the AFC South division title. They square off with the New England Patriots and star quarterback Tom Brady on Sunday in the AFC championship game at Gillette Stadium.

Meanwhile, the Texans finished 4-12 overall, falling from first to worst in the AFC South as they were swept by the Jaguars and still haven't adequately replaced Bouye's ball-hawking presence.

Instead of using the franchise tag to retain Bouye, the Texans let the Georgia native walk as he strengthened a suddenly formidable division rival that features arguably the top cornerback tandem in the NFL in Bouye and Jalen Ramsey.


Bouye didn't want to leave the Texans [Comment: this is contrary to everything that we were made to believe], but has no regrets about his decision to choose the Jaguars over competing offers from them, the Chicago Bears and Tennessee Titans. He emphasized that he has no hard feelings.


"Oh yeah, I definitely 100 percent wanted to come back to Houston," Bouye said this week during a telephone interview from the Jaguars' training facility. "Things didn't work out. My agent told me what they said as far as being told I was looked at as their fourth-best corner. [Comment: agents don't speak to coaches.........they speak to the GM who gives them the only feedback]It was like, 'Why give him that money?'


"I could see how the organization and the coaches looked at me. It was nothing personal, but I knew they would count me out. [Comment: a coach does not give the "fourth best" CB on the roster the most snaps of all the CBs.........again, not a coach's perspective]Jacksonville didn't even offer the most money. Chicago offered the most. Something told me to go with Jacksonville. I like their talent. It was closer to home and it's in the division. I'm happy here."

And the Jaguars are extremely pleased with their investment in Bouye, paying him an average of $13.5 million per year.

Besides recording 56 tackles and ranking third in the NFL with 17 passes defended, Bouye yielded opposing quarterbacks to generate a combined 36.1 passer rating while throwing in his direction. That ranked a record-first among all cornerbacks, according to Pro Football Focus.

Throughout his journey from obscurity, Bouye hasn't lost his motivational fuel despite the validation of being named to the Pro Bowl.

"When I talk to a lot of players around the league after games, they tell me, 'You don't get a lot of credit, people sleep on you,'" Bouye said. "I don't pay attention to that, but it shows the ones who are playing and coaching

THE REST OF THE STORY
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I said this in a previous post. I figured with J-Jo (stud F/A pickup), K-Jax (high draft pick), and Kevin Johnson (high draft pick) already here and taking up the first three CB positions, Bouye could maaaybe overtake one for the #3 CB spot.

He only got a shot to shine due to injury issues.

Bouye did not get his shot to shine because he outplayed one of those three and forced the coaches to elevate him up the depth chart to the #1 or #2 CB spot. You do know that the coaches set the depth chart, right?? And negotiations are based on your position on the depth chart. To the Texans' credit, the did try to extend him before his contract was up. So the coaches wanted him back and the Texans tried to extend him early, something they seldom do.

Not sure why this is a burr under your saddle when they did all reasonable things to keep him and lost out in a bidding war. I guess you think they should have paid him Revis money when they offered to extend his contract early. He ain't Revis.
 
eriadoc said:
I actually don't believe that the Browns have missed on QB that many times. Think about it - in order to get a decision wrong that many times in a row, that's astronomically bad luck. What are they up to? 19 in a row or something? No, I'm convinced they've picked the right guy a few times, but we'll never know because they wrecked him from the start. The Browns could wreck any QB.
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Just think, Watson was almost #20! Or, do you think the law of averages would have finally caught up with them and Watson, along with HC Hue Jackson, would have turned that team around?
 
JB said:
I wonder why that is? Bad luck and impatience seems to me. They never give any qb much of a chance to improve
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That's mainly because they keep changing HCs and schemes, imo. Look at Alex Smith early in his career. Constant change and poor QB play go hand in hand.
 
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ObsiWan said:
Not sure why this is a burr under your saddle when they did all reasonable things to keep him and lost out in a bidding war. I guess you think they should have paid him Revis money when they offered to extend his contract early. He ain't Revis.
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Exactly. If he wasn’t going to the Jags, then he goes to the Bears. He and his agent took a gamble, rejected the early offers from the Texans and won. He rejected a very competitive offer from the Texans.

I really hate seeing him in a Jags uniform, but people need to let this go. Due to injuries, he played well and then got paid. Kudos to the young man
 
Earl34 said:
Exactly. If he wasn’t going to the Jags, then he goes to the Bears. He and his agent took a gamble, rejected the early offers from the Texans and won. He rejected a very competitive offer from the Texans.

I really hate seeing him in a Jags uniform, but people need to let this go. Due to injuries, he played well and then got paid. Kudos to the young man
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Can you imagine the insanity if the Texans had signed him to a larger contract for franchised him and he had a KJo kind of season? Hindsight being what it is. I think Smith acted appropriately in this case. Bouye played well in 2016 but also had 6 PIs for 102 yards. I can't find how many illegal contact penalties he was called for, if any. That was good for 1/3 of the Texans PIs in 2016 and 2/3 of the yards. Last season, he had 4 for 52 yards.
 
DocBar said:
. Bouye played well in 2016 but also had 6 PIs for 102 yards. I can't find how many illegal contact penalties he was called for, if any.
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2016 Bouye had 6 PI, 2 defensive holding and 2 illegal use of hands.

2017 he was flagged for 5 PIs (one was declined) and a defensive holding.
 
ObsiWan said:
I said this in a previous post. I figured with J-Jo (stud F/A pickup), K-Jax (high draft pick), and Kevin Johnson (high draft pick) already here and taking up the first three CB positions, Bouye could maaaybe overtake one for the #3 CB spot.

He only got a shot to shine due to injury issues.

Bouye did not get his shot to shine because he outplayed one of those three and forced the coaches to elevate him up the depth chart to the #1 or #2 CB spot. You do know that the coaches set the depth chart, right?? And negotiations are based on your position on the depth chart. To the Texans' credit, the did try to extend him before his contract was up. So the coaches wanted him back and the Texans tried to extend him early, something they seldom do.

Not sure why this is a burr under your saddle when they did all reasonable things to keep him and lost out in a bidding war. I guess you think they should have paid him Revis money when they offered to extend his contract early. He ain't Revis.
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JJo only missed 3 games in 2016. He played both games in the playoffs. KJo missed 4 games near the beginning of 2016, yet he started only 4 games. He played poorly whenever he did play. Kareem Jackson missed 2 games near the beginning of 2016. He played in both playoff games. He played poorly when he did play.
Bouye played all 16 games, started all 16 games, played both playoff games and started both playoff games. His opportunity may have come because of injuries (certainly a far from uncommon occurrence in the NFL........one that has given unknown entities like Tom Brady a chance to shine that would have otherwise not occurred), but Bouye outplayed the other CBs in 2016 and was given the most snaps because of that and that alone. One can try to play the "depth chart game" all they want, but Bouye was at the top of the list in all categories that mattered.
 
Not sure where you are getting your played/starts. Pro football reference has:

JJo 13 games played, 11 starts.

AJ Bouye 15 games played, 11starts.

KJac 14 games played, 12 starts.

KJo 6 games played, 3 starts.

Starts does not mean #1 or #2. It means on the field for the 1st defensive snap.
 
Games missed:

JJo 13, 14 & 16
KJac 5 & 6
KJo 7 thru 16
AJ Bouye 9

Bouye did not start games 1 thru 4 & 9.

So everyone was available games 1-4. Bouye did not start. Games 5 -16 either kJac or KJo did not play and Bouye started except game 9.
 
eriadoc said:
Buoye may not be Revis in his prime, but he's better than the 2017 versions of JJo, KJax, and Kevin Johnson. Foresight and proper planning is a big part of the GM job.
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While I agree (and bouye was the one to hold gronk to a mediocre game last year) - there is the whole "at the time" scenario.

Weren't we conserving money for a run at Romo? Did we know then that kjo would really suck this year after showing promise beforehand? Kjack is an average corner and we play him there now because we have to. I'd kinda like to see what he can do as a safety. Jjo dropped off this year and was still our best corner. He's going to fall off more this year due to age and we should invest this offseason at cb.
 
eriadoc said:
Buoye may not be Revis in his prime, but he's better than the 2017 versions of JJo, KJax, and Kevin Johnson. Foresight and proper planning is a big part of the GM job.
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What if the coach is asking you to trade up and sign a bunch of free agents? Does he tell the coach no because they may lose a free agent down the line?
 
powda said:
While I agree (and bouye was the one to hold gronk to a mediocre game last year) - there is the whole "at the time" scenario.

Weren't we conserving money for a run at Romo? Did we know then that kjo would really suck this year after showing promise beforehand? Kjack is an average corner and we play him there now because we have to. I'd kinda like to see what he can do as a safety. Jjo dropped off this year and was still our best corner. He's going to fall off more this year due to age and we should invest this offseason at cb.
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1. Romo - while it's OK to consider going after a guy like Romo, you take steps to ensure that the pay is front loaded and you don't rely on him for more than a year or two max, depending on what you think about his health. You pair that move alongside drafting a replacement and coaching him up. That's foresight and proper planning.

2. Let's assume for a minute that, at the time of negotiation, you think KJo is an up and coming corner, the injuries have been flukes, and he's going to be the next great thing. Fine. You still have an aging JJo that you need to replace, KJax needs to be planned around, as he's generally just a guy, and may fall victim to injury at any point. Also, when does KJAx come up for FA? The way that most GMs handle this sort of planning and foresight is to draft and build. I said this back during the Glover Quin debacle - if you draft guys that turn out to be good players and then you let them walk, you're going to suck as a franchise - especially the players that are not the Watt/Hopkins types. Those mid-tier/sometime Pro Bowl guys are the backbone of the team. You need guys like that all over the roster. So when you find one, you damn well better keep him. And if you thought last year was an aberration, then you franchise the man and make him prove it one more year. Nothing says you can't work on a contract 6 games into the 2017 season.

It's just poor planning, and it's not the first time we've seen it from Smith. And I know a lot of people dismiss this point of view because it's not the top end, first tier type player, but to me, you need to keep the players you develop. I never had an issue letting Mario Williams go, for example, because he was going to get paid like a top tier guy and he wasn't really a game changer. Rick Smith could have signed Buoye for $13.5M and assurances that he could rise as high as his play dictated. Instead, he started off telling him he was no better than their 4th guy and wasn't worth it. Gee, I wonder why he signed elsewhere?
 
TheKDog said:
What if the coach is asking you to trade up and sign a bunch of free agents? Does he tell the coach no because they may lose a free agent down the line?
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It's the coach's job to pester the hell out of the GM to get him a team full of JJ Watts. It's the GMs job to balance that against the ongoing and long term health of the franchise. Working together to come up with a cohesive plan is what separates the good teams from the bad.
 
powda said:
While I agree (and bouye was the one to hold gronk to a mediocre game last year) - there is the whole "at the time" scenario.

Weren't we conserving money for a run at Romo? Did we know then that kjo would really suck this year after showing promise beforehand? Kjack is an average corner and we play him there now because we have to. I'd kinda like to see what he can do as a safety. Jjo dropped off this year and was still our best corner. He's going to fall off more this year due to age and we should invest this offseason at cb.
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They knew at the time that Kjo was in need of a 2nd Jones fracture surgery and wrist surgery.
 
eriadoc said:
It's the coach's job to pester the hell out of the GM to get him a team full of JJ Watts. It's the GMs job to balance that against the ongoing and long term health of the franchise. Working together to come up with a cohesive plan is what separates the good teams from the bad.
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What happens when the coach pushes out the GM for his buddy?
 
eriadoc said:
1. Romo - while it's OK to consider going after a guy like Romo
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Let's all be frank about it. Bouye had exactly 1 good year with us and was still a pi machine. Jjo was good. Kjack was solid. Kjo showed promise.

I don't know from a salary standpoint where bouye's salary ranks. I assume it's top ten? Paying that now sounds reasonable. Paying it last offseason doesn't. It was a cutthroat bellichek move and we'd applaud it if bouye sucked or our guys did what they were supposed to. Our guys underperformed- or maybe they just didnt get help with watt and mercy out?

Would Bouye look as good as he did with our pass rush?

Our offseason last year was a knee jerk reaction to the Brock offseason before. We played for comp picks. The '16 offseason was all in. The '17 offseason was a fold.

And all along our ol has been ignored.

So glad rick is no longer the lead dog on this.
 
DocBar said:
Can you imagine the insanity if the Texans had signed him to a larger contract for franchised him and he had a KJo kind of season? Hindsight being what it is. I think Smith acted appropriately in this case. Bouye played well in 2016 but also had 6 PIs for 102 yards. I can't find how many illegal contact penalties he was called for, if any. That was good for 1/3 of the Texans PIs in 2016 and 2/3 of the yards. Last season, he had 4 for 52 yards.
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Yep, it would have been bad, of course Ricky took the safe route. (Very Texans like) I was for letting Bouye walk if they used that $$$$ to fix the OL. They did neither which made this a huge fail on Ricky's part. Hard to belive after all of the mismanagement over the yrs that this is what it took to get Ricky out the door.

You should know that Ricky had no idea how to judge talent if he truly thought Bouye was his 4th best CB. The more troubling thing is although Bouye was the best CB on the team he didn't get his chance until KJo got hurt. That may be on the coaches, but they did play Bouye the most snaps of any CB on the team, so who knows.
 
All those PIs
powda said:
You have a timeline for that? Does it explain his poor performance last year and represent improvement this year?
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Those 2 surgeries were performed on Jan 3,2017. Two months is expected RTC. Before that time, during his rehab, they already knew that he was not progressing normally, as he also developed a compensatory ankle issue combined which kept him out for OTAs. Then early into the season, he sustained a severe MCL injury (no doubt compensatory). With the cascade history of lower limb injuries, I'm afraid that this year may be ladened with more lingering lower extremity limitations and probably more injuries.
 
eriadoc said:
Buoye may not be Revis in his prime, but he's better than the 2017 versions of JJo, KJax, and Kevin Johnson. Foresight and proper planning is a big part of the GM job.
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He was better than the 2016 verison of JoJo KJax KJO.

He also had the important task of doing something the Texans have always had trouble doing, Covering the TE and he did that very well. So well that he got the contract the Jags gave him.
 
TheKDog said:
What if the coach is asking you to trade up and sign a bunch of free agents? Does he tell the coach no because they may lose a free agent down the line?
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Yes, he does.

I'm just glad that we have a GM/HC that are on the same page.

# Refreshing.
 
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As far the argument against Bouye being his PIs.................boy, I'm glad that was pointed out.............. makes so much sense, that's a big relief to me and I'm sure to others!..............Thank heaven we got rid of that worthles scrub!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As far the argument against Bouye being his PIs.................boy, I'm glad that was pointed out.............. makes so much sense, that's a big relief to me and I'm sure to others!..............Thank heaven we got rid of that worthles scrub!
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I think It's a legitimate observation and was well earned in his last year with us. Nothing helps a 2 minute drill like a stupid pi. I can literally think of dozens of game winning drives that stayed alive or prospered because of It. And often that penalty reveals bad technique or a corner who was beat.

Look, I wanted to keep him but I didn't want to pay him top 10 money. The hindsight game is always 20/20.
 
TheKDog said:
What happens when the coach pushes out the GM for his buddy?
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Rick was trying to do the same thing and won. Hence: Gaine moving to Buffalo and the Jimmy Raye hire. Ricky won, then things like Bouye happened and 4-12. (Kinda like the same thing Ricky did to Kubiak and Ricky telling the McNair's the coaches had too much say in personnel)The McNair's decided to take a half measure and bring Gaine back.

Since BOB won the Raiders playoff game BOB was staying but Ricky won the power play. (Gaine was let go like Ricky wanted.) Ricky wanted his guy and got him. (Raye) 4-12 and total personnel control came back to bite Ricky in the butt.

McNair finally listened to his fanbase after the AJ day boo's. Plus IMHO I think the Astros winning a WS and the Rockets doing well has McNair realizing that although NRG will always be full the Texans were losing the #1 spot in this town.

All speculation on my part
 
steelbtexan said:
Rick was trying to do the same thing and won. Hence: Gaine moving to Buffalo and the Jimmy Raye hire. Ricky won, then things like Bouye happened and 4-12. (Kinda like the same thing Ricky did to Kubiak and Ricky telling the McNair's the coaches had too much say in personnel)The McNair's decided to take a half measure and bring Gaine back.

Since BOB won the Raiders playoff game BOB was staying but Ricky won the power play. (Gaine was let go like Ricky wanted.) Ricky wanted his guy and got him. (Raye) 4-12 and total personnel control came back to bite Ricky in the butt.

McNair finally listened to his fanbase after the AJ day boo's.
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Wonder what is in Raye's future?

:coffee:
 
powda said:
I think It's a legitimate observation and was well earned in his last year with us. Nothing helps a 2 minute drill like a stupid pi. I can literally think of dozens of game winning drives that stayed alive or prospered because of It. And often that penalty reveals bad technique or a corner who was beat.

Look, I wanted to keep him but I didn't want to pay him top 10 money. The hindsight game is always 20/20.
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Why did the Jaguars and Bears think he was worth top 10 money? We're their scouts / GM's blind and decided to over-shop based on his 1 season of abbreviated success? No matter what we the fans or RS thought, the right decision was made by the Jaguars while the Texans must go back to the board and hope to find another Bouye.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Why did the Jaguars and Bears think he was worth top 10 money? We're their scouts / GM's blind and decided to over-shop based on his 1 season of abbreviated success? No matter what we the fans or RS thought, the right decision was made by the Jaguars while the Texans must go back to the board and hope to find another Bouye.
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Everythng you said is a fair observation. Based on what we expected last off season from jjo kjo and kjack would you give Aj a top 7 cb contract?
 
eriadoc said:
if you draft guys that turn out to be good players and then you let them walk, you're going to suck as a franchise - especially the players that are not the Watt/Hopkins types. Those mid-tier/sometime Pro Bowl guys are the backbone of the team. You need guys like that all over the roster. So when you find one, you damn well better keep him. And if you thought last year was an aberration, then you franchise the man and make him prove it one more year. Nothing says you can't work on a contract 6 games into the 2017 season.
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The problem with the Texans is that they have very few of these types of players and have to spend big on the few superstars they do have. Smith absolutely sucked in rounds 2-5 in the draft. That is where you get those players and if you consistently draft well, you're stocked up and ready to go when you lose a player like Bouye. And let's be honest, a lot of the wailing and gnashing of teeth is being done with a good measure of hindsight. Bouye also benefited greatly by being on a tremendous defense. Kinda like he did with the Texans. IMO, Bouye is benefiting from this situation moreso than the defense is benefiting from Bouye's presence. I bet KJ and JJo would look every bit as good playing on that defense. Remember how great the secondary looked when the Texans were healthy?

Rick Smith failed this organization by not stockpiling talented depth at a wide variety of positions. He did not fail this organization by letting Bouye walk. Bouye would've looked just as bad as the other three did. It's called a complete lack of consistent pass rush. Just my opinion.
 
powda said:
Everythng you said is a fair observation. Based on what we expected last off season from jjo kjo and kjack would you give Aj a top 7 cb contract?
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Yes, I probably would have. KJax has basically been a liability when the team lacked a top rush. KJo was coming off an injury. The team developed Bouye so they should've known him better than the Jags and Bears.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Yes, I probably would have. KJax has basically been a liability when the team lacked a top rush. KJo was coming off an injury. The team developed Bouye so they should've known him better than the Jags and Bears.
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Fair assuming you said the same last offseason (did you? Post a link.) Did you also want Romo and does signing Bouye to a 67.5 million dollar contract prevent that from happening?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We finally get real insight into the Bouye controversy............Smith, take a bow.

THE REST OF THE STORY
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Interesting that you highlighted some of the comments in the article and assign it to Smith, but didn't touch the following. Who else should take a bow with Smith? I still don't understand why we are still playing this game of "Pin the Blame". Failures by Smith and O'Brien got the Texans to this point.

"It's definitely a lot easier when you feel like the coaches trust you more and you don't have to look over your shoulder," Bouye said. "This year, was more about focusing on what I can do to help the team and not worry about this or that.

"I've learned the scheme, and that's why the plays are starting to come. I got much better from a technique standpoint and physically. My ceiling is still high."
 
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powda said:
Fair assuming you said the same last offseason (did you? Post a link.) Did you also want Romo and does signing Bouye to a 67.5 million dollar contract prevent that from happening?
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After 3 back injuries in 4 years, Romo at 37 years old was never going to coming back.........and stay back. Jerry Jones knew that, their medical staff knew that........and Romo knew that. That's why a decision to go to the booth was so easy and so predictable.
 
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Earl34 said:
Interesting that you highlighted some of the comments in the article and assign it to Smith, but didn't touch the following. Who else should take a bow with Smith? I still don't understand why we are still playing this game of "Pin the Blame". Failures by Smith and O'Brien got the Texans to this point.

"It's definitely a lot easier when you feel like the coaches trust you more and you don't have to look over your shoulder," Bouye said. "This year, was more about focusing on what I can do to help the team and not worry about this or that.

"I've learned the scheme, and that's why the plays are starting to come. I got much better from a technique standpoint and physically. My ceiling is still high."
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His technique/performance certainly took a jump his last year as a Texan. I'm sure that his coach told him that he was no good, just the lowly 4th man in a bastion of talent.
 
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