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All encompassing Bill O'Brien thread

infantrycak said:
I don't agree with the traditional hierarchy in the modern NFL. Uninvolved owner, overlord GM and do what you can with what you're given HC is from the days when HC's and GM's careers were measured I'm decades not 4 or 5 year contracts.

IMO coaches best know what players they can work with either on system or temperament. The GM should be there to oversee scouting, manage the cap and be the parent who says 'that toy is too expensive' to the HC kid in the candy store whether the cost is picks or contract. In other words, within cap/pick management limits the HC should have sway over the groceries he works with. Then if he doesn't get it done, he's gone and a new chef comes in.

I think the Texans have been in between. That appears to have led to some behind the scenes wrangling between HC & GM. It certainly has led to a lack of clarity for fans.



Well slow the roll a little. Unprepared QBs have done well under OB. Keenum, Yates & Weedon were 5-0 as emergency starters. The less inculcated in "the system" the better.
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Bill O'Brien on Rick Smith: 'Good relationship'

11:34 AM - Dec 18, 2017

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Bill O'Brien: 'I will never re-sign as head coach of the Houston Texans. I didn't even read the story, was told about it a little bit. Best thing to do would be to ask the person who wrote it where they get their info'

11:34 AM - Dec 18, 2017

Aaron Wilson@AaronWilson_NFL

Bill O'Brien: 'I'm not a quitter. I was raised in a family that believes in family, faith, education, never quit'

11:35 AM - Dec 18, 2017
 
banned1976 said:
Is that what you want to happen or just your prediction?
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Valid question.

That's just my prediction. I never regarded Romeo's promotion to assistant HC strictly as a means of improving our odds in 2017; I regarded it as a preparatory reorganization for a post-O'brien regime in 2018 while O'Brien was given his last chance in 2017.

I believe they think highly of Crennel. I think highly of Crennel too. But I'm uncomfortable with that record in Cleveland and KC.

infantrycak said:
(Put this in the game day thread but it should have gone here):

Some folks are fooling themselves that what they saw with Watson/OB for 6 games would be what you'd see long term. You wouldn't. What you saw was an emergency scramble for a college playbook (or more accurately turning to those pages in E-P which had been virtually ripped out) because of ill preparation due to epic bad judgment. With time and the opportunity to coach Watson up in "the system" things would most likely change/revert.
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So, so true. Chip Kelly's college system turned Nick Foles into a temporary TD machine, just like O'Brien's college system did with Watson (though we all acknowledge Watson is much more talented). We don't want to waste another year or two just to discover that A) O'Brien's college playbook gets figured out like Kelly's, or B) Watson struggles to acclimate to O'Brien's mysterious scheme just like every QB before him.

For those complaining about wasting the careers of top talent like Watt, here's an opportunity to salvage the prime years of current talent like Watson and Hopkins by making the right move now.

infantrycak said:
I don't agree with the traditional hierarchy in the modern NFL. Uninvolved owner, overlord GM and do what you can with what you're given HC is from the days when HC's and GM's careers were measured I'm decades not 4 or 5 year contracts.

IMO coaches best know what players they can work with either on system or temperament. The GM should be there to oversee scouting, manage the cap and be the parent who says 'that toy is too expensive' to the HC kid in the candy store whether the cost is picks or contract. In other words, within cap/pick management limits the HC should have sway over the groceries he works with. Then if he doesn't get it done, he's gone and a new chef comes in.

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Unprepared QBs have done well under OB. Keenum, Yates & Weedon were 5-0 as emergency starters. The less inculcated in "the system" the better.
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This is why Belichick happens to thrive as his own GM. He's is an exception, but a good example of the coach's influence over personnel taken to the extreme. In a more normal case like O'Brien and Smith, the coach incurs more liability for players washing out than coaches under the traditional GM overlord hierarchy. This is why Rick Smith leaked to the press in 2013 that Kubiak needed to take ownership of his draft choices from the position coaches. This may also be why some responsibility for this O-line rests on O'Brien as much as it does with Smith.
 
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infantrycak said:
(Put this in the game day thread but it should have gone here):

Some folks are fooling themselves that what they saw with Watson/OB for 6 games would be what you'd see long term. You wouldn't. What you saw was an emergency scramble for a college playbook (or more accurately turning to those pages in E-P which had been virtually ripped out) because of ill preparation due to epic bad judgment. With time and the opportunity to coach Watson up in "the system" things would most likely change/revert.

Watson should work with a coach who from day one sees him as an asset to be honed & built around not a problem to be molded.
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I don’t know what to think anymore. A HC is only as good as their QB, and a lot of times the QB can mask the HC weaknesses. McCarthy in GB comes to mind.

Would Watson flourish in the EP system? Why wouldn’t he? (Serious question not being obtuse)

I would think in those six games we saw him make good calls and some play calls were to bomb it down field to Fuller.

I am already accepting either the change in HC or things staying the same.

I just can’t wait for next September when the season begins again.

Whoever is coach or GM still has a pretty talented roster.

Just gotta improve OL and secondary.
 
JB said:
Who is it on then?
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Do position coaches have any blame when players at the coaches coaching position are all bad to awful?

Isn't it possible that talent is not as big of a problem as people think it is? I am not all that knowledgeable on line play and what troubles are based on talent and what role a coach or coaches play in the struggles lines have.
 
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Brisco_County said:
Valid question.

That's just my prediction. I never regarded Romeo's promotion to assistant HC strictly as a means of improving our odds in 2017; I regarded it as a preparatory reorganization for a post-O'brien regime in 2018 while O'Brien was given his last chance in 2017.

I believe they think highly of Crennel. I think highly of Crennel too. But I'm uncomfortable with that record in Cleveland and KC.



So, so true. Chip Kelly's college system turned Nick Foles into a temporary TD machine, just like O'Brien's college system did with Watson (though we all acknowledge Watson is much more talented). We don't want to waste another year or two just to discover that A) O'Brien's college playbook gets figured out like Kelly's, or B) Watson struggles to acclimate to O'Brien's mysterious scheme just like every QB before him.

For those complaining about wasting the careers of top talent like Watt, here's an opportunity to salvage the prime years of current talent like Watson and Hopkins by making the right move now.



This is why Belichick happens to thrive as his own GM. He's is an exception, but a good example of the coach's influence over personnel taken to the extreme. In a more normal case like O'Brien and Smith, the coach incurs more liability for players washing out than coaches under the traditional GM overlord hierarchy. This is why Rick Smith leaked to the press in 2013 that Kubiak needed to take ownership of his draft choices from the position coaches. This may also be why some responsibility for this O-line rests on O'Brien as much as it does with Smith.
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Lol. Chip Kelly's college gimmick system was just that a college gimmick system. The E-P system is an offense that's been run in the NFL for literally decades and has been proven to be effective by the likes of Brady & Manning among others; in other words, there are no comparisons between the 2.

& Belichick has been pretty much average as a GM. His saving grace for people not looking at his track record with more scrutiny has been that guy wearing number 12. This isn't to say that he hasn't been a great coach but The fact of the matter is he's had flops all over the place in the draft & alot of his FA acquistions have been questionable to downright bad save for a few that have been tremendous successes.
 
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I don’t think OB will be fired. He will get an extension for one or two years. Probably to match it up with Rick Smith’s contract extension - 2020. They are ride or die partners.

The team has been decimated by injuries. More so that you have trouble comparing the injuries to any other team in the NFL.

McNair will take it and run with it. That and the support the players have shown OB. Especially Watson. He kept the locker room in a really challenging time and McNair will take that too.

No one knows for certain if Watson will flourish in OBs system. But we will see through 2020.

I am calling it.

If it doesn’t happen I will be surprised.

But I ain’t gonna bet eating my hat or something.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Do position coaches have any blame when players at the coaches coaching position are all bad to awful?

Isn't it possible that talent is not as big of a problem as people think it is? I am not all that knowledgeable on line play and what troubles are based on talent and what role a coach or coaches play in the struggles lines have.
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They can make a tremendous amount of difference. There are two very different types though, true experts honing the players (Kubiak as QB coach, Houck & Gibbs on OL, Marinelli on DL, etc.) and then there are drill running yeoman, basically running the players thru position drills but not really teaching much. There's not enough of the former around so a lot are the latter and the teaching falls on the coordinator.
 
infantrycak said:
They can make a tremendous amount of difference. There are two very different types though, true experts honing the players (Kubiak as QB coach, Houck & Gibbs on OL, Marinelli on DL, etc.) and then there are drill running yeoman, basically running the players thru position drills but not really teaching much. There's not enough of the former around so a lot are the latter and the teaching falls on the coordinator.
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Agree. Scarnecchia was so good at coaching the o-line for the Pats, Belichick all but begged him to come out of retirement in 2015.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol. Chip Kelly's college gimmick system was just that a college gimmick system. The E-P system is an offense that's been run in the NFL for literally decades and has been proven to be effective by the likes of Brady & Manning among others; in other words, there are no comparisons between the 2.

& Belichick has been pretty much average as a GM. His saving grace for people not looking at his track record with more scrutiny has been that guy wearing number 12. This isn't to say that he hasn't been a great coach but The fact of the matter is he's had flops all over the place in the draft & alot of his FA acquistions have been questionable to downright bad save for a few that have been tremendous successes.
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"Lol" This has nothing to do with the points I was making.

Bill O'Brien had Watson running college plays.

Bill O'Brien is using an abstracted version of the EP system, not the "decades old" EP offense.

What does Belichick's success at GM have to do with the point I was making?

EDIT: I just reread my earlier post and realized how it could have been interpreted differently. I should have been clear that O'Brien had deviated from his usual system to rely on a college offense for Watson.
 
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banned1976 said:
One thing not touched on (I don't think) in this thread is O'Brien may force McNair's hand. He may want out of here and the fastest track to that is demanding a contract extension. Jason La Confora wrote that "the relationship between the men [GM Rick Smith and HC Bill O'Brien] has long been complicated". That doesn't sound right to me and one in which O'Brien wouldn't be comfortable with. I once worked as a Supply Chain Quality Engineering Manager. That would be like me having a complicated relationship with the Supply Chain Manager. There was no ambiguity within our working partnership. We understood our roles. It was made very clear. Of course the SCM wasn't best friends with our bosses son either.

How would bringing in a new HC change that "complicated relationship with the GM"? Does it matter?​
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In my opinion, this is a likely scenario, as I strongly believe that not only will O'Brien demand a contract extension in order to play next year (a lame duck "co confidence" HC doesn't do anyone any good), but he will also demand a significant change in the power structure......as it should be obvious to everyone (despite all the local bought and paid for media massaging) that this one hasn't worked out worth a flip.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
In my opinion, this is a likely scenario, as I strongly believe that not only will O'Brien demand a contract extension in order to play next year (a lame duck "co confidence" HC doesn't do anyone any good), but he will also demand a significant change in the power structure......as it should be obvious to everyone (despite all the local bought and paid for media massaging) that this one hasn't worked out worth a flip.
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How would the power structure change?

And what choices has OB made to be awarded new power?

If Watson was Ricks guy and not OBs then OB is going to lose out IMHO.

Plus, if all the draft day trades for players like Strong and others were under direction of OB I would not want to give him more. But if it was Rick...

But IF* that FILO pick to pass on Jimmy G was all Rick then maybe OB does have something to argue.

The state of the Oline and letting some key FA players walk - who is that on? Rick?


Crap. I just talked myself into firing both again.

(*Edited because I left out the word if)
 
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TexansBull said:
How would the power structure change?

And what choices has OB made to be awarded new power?

If Watson was Ricks guy and not OBs then OB is going to lose out IMHO.

Plus, if all the draft day trades for players like Strong and others were under direction of OB I would not want to give him more. But if it was Rick...

But that FILO pick to pass on Jimmy G was all Rick then maybe OB does have something to argue.

The state of the Oline and letting some key FA players walk - who is that on? Rick?


Crap. I just talked myself into firing both again.
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Your post highlights the reality. McNair is in a position to know who pushed what. We aren't.

Garoppolo is a great example. McNair was sitting there. Did OB want him and RS said I can get him later? Did OB say I'd rather have a TE and get Savage later who's just as good? Did both of them want to pass unless he fell another round?
 
TexansBull said:
How would the power structure change?

And what choices has OB made to be awarded new power?

If Watson was Ricks guy and not OBs then OB is going to lose out IMHO.

Plus, if all the draft day trades for players like Strong and others were under direction of OB I would not want to give him more. But if it was Rick...

But that FILO pick to pass on Jimmy G was all Rick then maybe OB does have something to argue.

The state of the Oline and letting some key FA players walk - who is that on? Rick?


Crap. I just talked myself into firing both again.
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My guess is that its somewhere in between....but leaning towards Smith overruling him more often. My best guess is that he & Rick are probably collaborating somewhat on the early, high profile 1st and 2nd picks in the drafts where its a little easier to come to a consensus b/c the talent is usually plentiful at the top; which makes X-Suafilo both of their picks. Beyond that though, Smith is making the calls on who they draft & i'm also willing to bet that the FA acquistions are all Rick............ & that's where the big beef is. You know how coaches are, they want guys they can trust & BoB has probably ID'ed several guys over the years that he'd like to get/keep in FA & Rick has either done his own thing for any number of reasons........ or he's tried very little to get these guys in OB's estimation. Im fairly sure Fitz & Hoyer were BoB's call...but you can't tell me BoB ever wanted Mallet or Oz. He worked with Mallet in NE.... knew he was a knuckle head & wanted nothing to do with him....& if we're to believe reports about him not ever meeting Oz prior to the signing, it's pretty clear he likely didn't want him either.
 
Speedy said:
Hopefully a stadium full of Steeler fans Monday embarrasses him even more.



Before Fat Albert ate Schaub's foot, absolutely.
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Agree on Monday

We will never know, they never were when Schaub got back for the 12-4 team. I'm not convinced Schaub would've performed well in the playoffs under pressure.
 
infantrycak said:
Your post highlights the reality. McNair is in a position to know who pushed what. We aren't.

Garoppolo is a great example. McNair was sitting there. Did OB want him and RS said I can get him later? Did OB say I'd rather have a TE and get Savage later who's just as good? Did both of them want to pass unless he fell another round?
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Yep. That's the inherent difficulty with this franchise in trying to determine the true power structure. None of really know the truth beyond piecing together bits of information by the McNairs, Rick Smith, and current and former coaches.


Mr teX said:
My guess is that its somewhere in between....but leaning towards Smith overruling him more often. My best guess is that he & Rick are probably collaborating somewhat on the early, high profile 1st and 2nd picks in the drafts where its a little easier to come to a consensus b/c the talent is usually plentiful at the top; which makes X-Suafilo both of their picks. Beyond that though, Smith is making the calls on who they draft & i'm also willing to bet that the FA acquistions are all Rick............ & that's where the big beef is. You know how coaches are, they want guys they can trust & BoB has probably ID'ed several guys over the years that he'd like to get/keep in FA & Rick has either done his own thing for any number of reasons........ or he's tried very little to get these guys in OB's estimation. Im fairly sure Fitz & Hoyer were BoB's call...but you can't tell me BoB ever wanted Mallet or Oz. He worked with Mallet in NE.... knew he was a knuckle head & wanted nothing to do with him....& if we're to believe reports about him not ever meeting Oz prior to the signing, it's pretty clear he likely didn't want him either.
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There are plenty of quotes directly from O'Brien that he studied film with Smith and both came to the conclusion that Brock was the unified choice.

O'Brien does not seem like the kind of man that blatantly lies in order to tow the company line. And if he is that kind of man, perhaps that tells us a lot about him.

The fact of the matter is the organization - from owner to GM to HC - made a mistake on Brock in trying to upgrade a position they refused to draft high before 2017.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep. That's the inherent difficulty with this franchise in trying to determine the true power structure. None of really know the truth beyond piecing together bits of information by the McNairs, Rick Smith, and current and former coaches.




There are plenty of quotes directly from O'Brien that he studied film with Smith and both came to the conclusion that Brock was the unified choice.

O'Brien does not seem like the kind of man that blatantly lies in order to tow the company line. And if he is that kind of man, perhaps that tells us a lot about him.

The fact of the matter is the organization - from owner to GM to HC - made a mistake on Brock in trying to upgrade a position they refused to draft high before 2017.
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Agree on all fronts, i just didn't know exactly if the rumor had actually been confirmed.
 
infantrycak said:
Garoppolo is a great example. McNair was sitting there. Did OB want him and RS said I can get him later? Did OB say I'd rather have a TE and get Savage later who's just as good? Did both of them want to pass unless he fell another round?
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He who hesitates is lost :choke:
 
TexansBull said:
You are going to be more pissed now. And your probably right. OB is going anywhere soon.

After that phone call - he is getting an extension to match the duration of Rick Smiths contract.

https://twitter.com/markbermanfox26/status/943308705633841152
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Sure, Watson was putting up 35 points per game but that 7 game stretch still shows the Texans were 3-4. Regardless of his personal or anyone else's excitement, something was shown to be very wrong with that 7 game stretch. Remember, 2 of those losses can be directly related to the very guy he wants around for a 5th season...not to mention, the same GM who was the cornerstone in assembling this talent.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Sure, Watson was putting up 35 points per game but that 7 game stretch still shows the Texans were 3-4. Regardless of his personal or anyone else's excitement, something was shown to be very wrong with that 7 game stretch. Remember, 2 of those losses can be directly related to the very guy he wants around for a 5th season...not to mention, the same GM who was the cornerstone in assembling this talent.
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Jacksonville is a contender for the Super Bowl.

They lost to KC when they were hot and JJ went down.

They lost to NE.

They lost to Seattle.

In last two games, outside of the controversial calls made by OB, the players made mistakes or missed opportunities to close out the game.

The calls OB made did not help matters.

But the losses weren’t directly on OB.

We will have to agree to disagree on that part.

However, OB does make some boneheaded timeouts and calls. I will say that.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Sure, Watson was putting up 35 points per game but that 7 game stretch still shows the Texans were 3-4. Regardless of his personal or anyone else's excitement, something was shown to be very wrong with that 7 game stretch. Remember, 2 of those losses can be directly related to the very guy he wants around for a 5th season...not to mention, the same GM who was the cornerstone in assembling this talent.
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Doesn’t matter Brian. Rookie endorsed me. 2 year extension in the works.

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It’s seeming less and less likely that the Texans’ football hierarchy will return intact in 2018. That’s the final year of coach Bill O’Brien’s deal, and it’s hard to imagine the team would go into it with that unresolved and the relationship between coaching and scouting what it is now. If he’s available, there’s little question that O’Brien would vault to the top of many teams’ lists.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/21/f...mmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

From the same article:

Bills VP of player personnel Brian Gaine: He’s interviewed for a handful of jobs over the past couple of years, and now has his fingerprints on another rising team. And Gaine has always earned the trust of coaches.
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a) Don't think OB will "vault to the top" of the available coaches list if fired.
b) Don't think McNair & Co would do anything smart if they fire OB and/or Smith
c) Team desperately needs new blood at the top, coach and GM
d) DW4 will be happy with whatever coach he ends up with.
 
in the nfl where you have so many different position groups and then styles of play within those position groups and then so many different systems and coaching nuances—I think you almost have to give the head coach a good portion of the personnel power.

And then I think the head coach has to gather personnel input from their position coaches and coordinators.

Position coaches are going to be the first to know if a guy can do the things the team wants to be done from the position.
 
TripleTap said:
a) Don't think OB will "vault to the top" of the available coaches list if fired.
b) Don't think McNair & Co would do anything smart if they fire OB and/or Smith
c) Team desperately needs new blood at the top, coach and GM
d) DW4 will be happy with whatever coach he ends up with.
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I'd be willing to bet that O'Brien gets another HC gig fairly quickly. His three 9-7 seasons will be glossed over in detail and some owner will jump to hire him. He might sit out a season to get paid on that last year on his current contract, but I doubt he's out of coaching for any longer than that. Perception is what it's all about.

I won't be surprised if we see the worst case scenario of McNair firing O'Brien and keeping Smith. For me, at least, this is the least desirable outcome.

Completely agree with new blood needed, but that sort of traumatic experience must be avoided at all costs even if it means perpetual mediocrity with the occasional division title.

And agree about DW4. Dude has the talent to look good in a variety of schemes.
 
If OB is as desirable as some in the media think and since he’s under contract for ‘18, we should be able to trade him for a pick or 2 if McNair wants to go in another direction. I’m hoping Smith gets a “promotion” and we hire a GM that is stronger in player evaluation and gets along better with the HC. I’m tired of the shenanigans in the Texans FO
 
otisbean said:
If OB is as desirable as some in the media think and since he’s under contract for ‘18, we should be able to trade him for a pick or 2 if McNair wants to go in another direction. I’m hoping Smith gets a “promotion” and we hire a GM that is stronger in player evaluation and gets along better with the HC. I’m tired of the shenanigans in the Texans FO
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This is the smartest move for McNair, though I doubt his willingness and ability to pull it off. He gets to keep Smith but not as GM and he gets new coach/GM combo fit for each other and DW4. A sublime solution to the years of OBrien's "almost there."
 
otisbean said:
If OB is as desirable as some in the media think and since he’s under contract for ‘18, we should be able to trade him for a pick or 2 if McNair wants to go in another direction. I’m hoping Smith gets a “promotion” and we hire a GM that is stronger in player evaluation and gets along better with the HC. I’m tired of the shenanigans in the Texans FO
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It's not just some of the media who thinks O'Brien is a good head coach.
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...-Bill-O-Brien-He-s-a-great-coach-12214547.php

He's a great coach," Belichick said during a conference call with Houston reporters. "I think Bill does a great job. He's an excellent play-caller and game-planner."

I don't think that was just lip service.

Here are 5 of the biggest HC trades.
http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2015/12/nfl_5_coaches_who_have_been_tr.html

Trading O'Brien would garner something, probably not much though.
 
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banned1976 said:
It's not just some of the media who thinks O'Brien is a good head coach.
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...-Bill-O-Brien-He-s-a-great-coach-12214547.php

He's a great coach," Belichick said during a conference call with Houston reporters. "I think Bill does a great job. He's an excellent play-caller and game-planner."

I don't think that was just lip service.

Here are 5 of the biggest HC trades.
http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2015/12/nfl_5_coaches_who_have_been_tr.html

Trading O'Brien would garner something, probably not much though.
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It would all depend on how badly another team wanted him.
 
TripleTap said:
This is the smartest move for McNair, though I doubt his willingness and ability to pull it off. He gets to keep Smith but not as GM and he gets new coach/GM combo fit for each other and DW4. A sublime solution to the years of OBrien's "almost there."
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Yeah , Smith moved to another role like concessions operator or sh!tter sweeper would be ideal ..... bring in a new GM and HC who share a philosophy / vision and hire some competent guys who understand the concepts of that philosophy as OC / DC , not just some clowns who stayed at a holiday inn last month.

BeleCheat is right , OB is a pretty good playcaller. He's just not a good HC as its too much responsibility , too many things that he cant handle them all - We're not going to talk about clock management .... Little things get lost in the shuffle.
 
Seeing Keenum flourish w/the Vikes tells me all I need to know: Sgt. Hulka should go.

If the Texans were smart, they'd cashier him.

But they aren't, so they won't.

It's too bad.
 
Cardinals eyeing Bill O'Brien, among others, if Bruce Arians walks away

... With Arians future up in the air, Keim and the rest of the Cardinals brass has made preparations in case. One possible candidate to take over for Arians has emerged: Texanscoach Bill O'Brien. The team has let word slip that O'Brien would be a top target -- if available.

... As for O'Brien, it's unclear what his future holds. He was adamant this week that he won't quit on the Texans, an indication that he'll return. But nothing has beenannounced. If he's out in Houston, the Cardinals will be interested.
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otisbean said:
If OB is as desirable as some in the media think and since he’s under contract for ‘18, we should be able to trade him for a pick or 2 if McNair wants to go in another direction. I’m hoping Smith gets a “promotion” and we hire a GM that is stronger in player evaluation and gets along better with the HC. I’m tired of the shenanigans in the Texans FO
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I’m always leery when the media keeps mentioning how a currently employed coach would have another job in an instant.

It seems that a media savvy agent or coach is using the media as a negotiating tool. It’s how a bad .500 coach like Jeff Fisher gets to coach for twenty years. Their media reputation is greater than their actual accomplishments.
 
Assuming OB is gone - Some team is going to look at OB's three consecutive 9-7 seasons with sh!t for QB play and not see that he was responsible for FitzTragic , Hoyerable , Mullett , Osweiler , Weeden cutting Keenum - Those were "His Guy's" and in part responsible for not solving the position with a premium talent long before Watson.
 
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Assuming OB is gone - Some team is going to look at OB's three consecutive 9-7 seasons with sh!t for QB play and not see that he was responsible for FitzTragic , Hoyerable , Mullett , Osweiler , Weeden cutting Keenum - Those were "His Guy's" and in part responsible for not solving the position with a premium talent long before Watson.
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Give him a team like the Giants who will be drafting a QB, or Bears who already have a young QB and I can see BOB doing really well.
 
O'Brien is not a good coach. He routinely mismanages the clock and down and distance situations. He makes a joke of himself with his QB carousels and horrible challenge usage.

Watson helped extend his coaching life and it's honorable how he's sticking up for his coach, but what would you expect him to do?

I'd trade Buttchin for Arians in a heartbeat.
 
I wouldn't want any coach that hasn't enjoyed some real success. My question, what kind of draft pick could O'Brien give the Texans in a trade scenario?
 
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