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Deshaun Watson - Out for the Year - Torn ACL

This is horrible news.

He was the only reason I wanted to watch the Texans.

Now we have a crap offense to go along with a crap defense.

I hope he recovers quickly and stays healthy for 10 years plus!
 
The Question that's been repeatedly posted: How is this last ACL related to the present one since it is contralateral (the opposite side from the 1st)?

Studies have shown that another ACL rupture whether same side or opposite side occurs 15 times more often than in a player that has had no previous ACL tear. Furthermore, 2nd ACL tears have been shown to occur in ~20% of cases, with the contralateral ACL occurring more frequently than ipsilateral. In fact, contralateral ACL injury have been consistently found to be much more common than graft failure in an already repaired knee in younger athletes..........25 and under.

Examination of injury situations have shown that approximately 70% of the contralateral group was injured in situations similar to those at their initial injuries. It has been found that most of the cases of contralateral ACL injuries were non-contact injuries at the time of initial and re-injury. These results strongly suggest that the patients with initial non-contact ACL injuries tended to develop non-contact injuries again if neuromuscular control of the legs was not improved. One of the risk factors of contralateral ACL injury is considered to be a non-contact injury at the initial injury.
 
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Isn't it possible that he had a mini-tear from the Seattle game that was not diagnosed previously which ruptured when he put some pressure on it.
 
Knew it and said as much when we put him in. Our O line will get him injured as he does a Benny Hill impression of running around trying to make plays.

Hindsight is brilliant I know but I wanted to sit him a year let Savage or anyone else take all the hits and injuries and then Draft and FA a decent O line

Feeling So f'ing down at the moment :(
 
This was the play. Brown and Giacomini both lost their man


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So he got injury by staying in the pocket instead of scrambling out of the pocket and avoiding contact, which is how you repeatly insisted would be how he got injured.
Is that the best critical comment you can make now? Just keep thinking that his style of play, hopefully mostly now driven by poor Oline play, does not place him at high risk for injury. He has only played 6 1/2 games. If he does get a good Oline when he returns and continues this exact style, don't be surprised if he ends up in a bad place again. This play was a blitz which he did not read, and Brown and Giacomini couldn't contain their man with the obvious end result.
 
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Thanks. What is the average pain level of a Grade 1 or mild 2? Also, does the player usually feel the tear and know something ain't right? Sounds like you've been around this injury before.
Yes I have. With partial tears, depending on there severity, some feel excruciating pain when it occurs while some simply a slight twinge with only residual soreness. Just like Watson finished the 2014 Clemson final game with a partial tear he sustained in a previous practice, so does it also appear that he did with the Seahawks game. It is not unusual to be able to play with a partially torn ACL............not smart, but can be done.
 
Yes I have. With partial tears, depending on there severity, some feel excruciating pain when it occurs while some simply a slight twinge with only residual soreness. Just like Watson finished the 2014 Clemson final game with a partial tear he sustained in a previous practice, so does it also appear that he did with the Seahawks game. It is not unusual to be able to play with a partially torn ACL............not smart, but can be done.

Appreciate the reply. Maybe someone will come out with a better diagnosis method for a Grade 1. Plenty of soreness all round though when you're getting hammered by 300# fast guys, maybe hard to differentiate by the player if not real bad.
 
So it wasn't about recklessness then?

And now a guy who injures one knee should be expected to injure the other one? How so?

There are many instances when one ACL injury happens to a knee the other knee quite often has an ACL injury.

See: Sam Bradford/Adrian Peterson etc... I'm not saying DW was a bad pick. I'm saying we are going to have to learn to expect these types of injuries to DW and live with them.
 
So he got injury by staying in the pocket instead of scrambling out of the pocket and avoiding contact, which is how you repeatly insisted would be how he got injured.

The Coup de Grace (the final blow) occurred on a run off of zone read.

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Been told Watson's injury was truly non contact. Kept the ball on a zone read, running in open space and no one around him, went down. Awful
 
Not sure where to put this but Pat knows something. I do think he has an inside contact know and has been dropping cryptic tweets since the end of last season on varying topics and they are usually correct

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Well, Watson came in to be a pocket QB, which he is more than capable of doing.

His "style of play" has been to always adapt, and I don't see that this is any different.

I'm sure he has the best surgeons that money can buy. Afterwards, if I was him, I would rehab with Adrian Peterson's crew.

I'm not just trying to be optimistic. Just calling it as I see it with a young talented man who's only 22.
 
There are many instances when one ACL injury happens to a knee the other knee quite often has an ACL injury.

See: Sam Bradford/Adrian Peterson etc... I'm not saying DW was a bad pick. I'm saying we are going to have to learn to expect these types of injuries to DW and live with them.

Never said there weren't cases, there are cases for all types of examples. The question here was about expectation. Especially when you said the expected result was that Watson would get hurt before the end of the season. I'm not getting where what either you or CnD have said recently to make that definitive expectation warranted. Other than simply playing the result.
 
Every team in the league drafts players with injury histories.
Well, they should consider them anyway. If they draft 'em with a severe injury history, they're all crazy.
Looks like we're in the market for a franchise QB again. Just when we traded Brown, we go back to a QB who needs good protection to succeed.
We have those great Astros and the Rockets have won it all twice. When will we get a good football team?
 
Is that the best critical comment you can make now? Just keep thinking that his style of play, hopefully mostly now driven by poor Oline play, does not place him at high risk for injury. He has only played 6 1/2 games. If he does get a good Oline when he returns and continues this exact style, don't be surprised if he ends up in a bad place again. This play was a blitz which he did not read, and Brown and Giacomini couldn't contain their man with the obvious end result.
WTF? His style of play? He was in the pocket, just like you keep whining about. If he had read the blitz, I wish he would have scrambled and avoided the hits, instead he did exactly what you would recommend if he did read the blitz - stay in the pocket and get crushed. I think the style of avoiding hits is better, but since you have joined the steelb "the Texans are always wrong about everything" club you seem to disagree.

Also, for all the people who have been whining all year that DW4 will be injured if Duane Brown is not playing - he got injured when Duane Brown got beat.
 
Never said there weren't cases, there are cases for all types of examples. The question here was about expectation. Especially when you said the expected result was that Watson would get hurt before the end of the season. I'm not getting where what either you or CnD have said recently to make that definitive expectation warranted. Other than simply playing the result.

This result is why I wanted Savage to play this season until the OL could be upgraded.
 
Well, they should consider them anyway. If they draft 'em with a severe injury history, they're all crazy.
Looks like we're in the market for a franchise QB again. Just when we traded Brown, we go back to a QB who needs good protection to succeed.
We have those great Astros and the Rockets have won it all twice. When will we get a good football team?

Spot On.

As long as the McNair's own the product the on the field will a avg at best. Just like the 1st 15 yrs.
 
WTF? His style of play? He was in the pocket, just like you keep whining about. If he had read the blitz, I wish he would have scrambled and avoided the hits, instead he did exactly what you would recommend if he did read the blitz - stay in the pocket and get crushed. I think the style of avoiding hits is better, but since you have joined the steelb "the Texans are always wrong about everything" club you seem to disagree.

Also, for all the people who have been whining all year that DW4 will be injured if Duane Brown is not playing - he got injured when Duane Brown got beat.

I am whining? I don't believe I'll be responding to any more of your posts from here on out. Feel free to carry on by yourself. The conversation may become more thoughtful.
 
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WTF? His style of play? He was in the pocket, just like you keep whining about.

This is my favorite part. All year the same few people have bitched about him scrambling and taking what's there if nothing else was there saying that would get him injured.

Now they're thumping their chests about him getting injured even though it's the complete opposite of how they said it would happen.

Some of these people are legitimately pathetic.
 
Well considering what you've said in this thread about prior injuries and savages own history, wouldn't he have already been injured by this point by that same logic.

Probably yes,

And my position would still be the same.

This was the yr Savage needed to take the beating this yr for the betterment of the team in the long run.
 
Well considering what you've said in this thread about prior injuries and savages own history, wouldn't he have already been injured by this point by that same logic.

Probably yes,

And my position would still be the same.

This was the yr Savage needed to take the beating this yr for the betterment of the team in the long run.
 
I am whining? I don't believe I'll be responding to any more of your posts from here on out. Feel free to carry on by yourself. The conversation may become more thoughtful.
Not you that was whining about the Duane Brown thing, but I didn't feel like quoting the hundreds of people who did say that. You are the one who pointed out that he got injured when Duane Brown failed on his block.

Continue to enjoy your "I told you so" moment even though you were completely wrong about the type of play that puts him in harms way.
 
This is my favorite part. All year the same few people have bitched about him scrambling and taking what's there if nothing else was there saying that would get him injured.

Now they're thumping their chests about him getting injured even though it's the complete opposite of how they said it would happen.

Some of these people are legitimately pathetic.

No thumping of the chest here. I'm actually sad about the Watson injury. Too bad this was all to predictable.
 
Hey guys, I am one of the Admins over at Coltfreaks ( http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/index.php ) just wanted to express our heartfelt sympathy on the loss of Watson. He was enjoying a fantastic rookie season. Really enjoyed rooting for him and your Texans. Lord knows my Colts are going no where. Again sorry and looking forward to a complete recovery.
We ALL (myself included although some cannot force themselves to believe it because I am typically the bearer of bad news here) share you feeling of loss of a great young talent. Thanks for your words.
 
Rip 2017 football.

The only good that can come of this is savage won't mask our ol pass protection. By year's end we'll know how bad they really are and (hopefully) address it.

Ob gets the mulligan and is safe for another year.

The offense has been bailing the D out and despite their injuries Vrabel is about to take a very hot seat
 
I guess it was all too predictable and Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, etc. shouldn't have been signed/re-signed.

For honorable mention let's toss in even worse injury Drew Brees.

I said I still think Watson was a good pick, I just am bringing up the point that we as fans should learn to except that with the style of play Watson has we should expect more of this in the future.

BTW, how many of the QB's you listed got hurt within the first 6 games in their rookie yrs.
 
I said I still think Watson was a good pick, I just am bringing up the point that we as fans should learn to except that with the style of play Watson has we should expect more of this in the future.

No you should not expect a 20% chance to occur. Not be surprised, maybe, but that's an entirely different thing.

BTW, how many of the QB's you listed got hurt within the first 6 games in their rookie yrs.

You know the definition of fluke, right?
 
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I honestly mean nothing against you personally, but this is complete BS. Is it possible he partially tore it in the game? Sure. But there is no way you know what play in which he did. I appreciate all the effort on injury updates and estimated recovery times, etc. BUT predicting further injury to Texans players and going as far as claiming you know the play he was injured on...I do not appreciate. The Texans have an educated medical staff that doesn’t google search for information. They would’ve seen this if a fan on Texans talk can. But they didn’t and neither did you or anyone else.
 
I said I still think Watson was a good pick, I just am bringing up the point that we as fans should learn to except that with the style of play Watson has we should expect more of this in the future.

BTW, how many of the QB's you listed got hurt within the first 6 games in their rookie yrs.

Out of curiousity. Did you think the same thing about Watt or Clowney?
 
This is another case of drafting players or signing players with injury histories. Sometimes Ricky gets away with it (Ellington) sometimes he doesn't. (DW)
You do realize most of the players in the draft or even in the league have injury histories don’t you? Very few players make it to the pros without getting injured along the way. If he were to only draft players with no injury history it would be a very small pool of players.
 
I'm just going to keep believing that Watson is our franchise QB until proven otherwise. The kid has a lot of heart, and this is not going to stop him.

That said, I've given up on the 2017 season. I see no point in being delusional about it.
Our most realistic chances for the POs went out the window in the game when both Watt & Merilus were injured and as result went IR, but no of course we shouldn't go wobbly on DW now because he does have heart, he's a fighter who deserves our faith & support.
 
You do realize most of the players in the draft or even in the league have injury histories don’t you? Very few players make it to the pros without getting injured along the way. If he were to only draft players with no injury history it would be a very small pool of players.

Frank Gore is an example of this he tore his ACL twice in college and has been one of the most durable RB's in the league for a decade.
 
Truth hurts,

Luckily I don't care, I'm still basking in the glow of a team that was built the right way and just won the World Series.

Go Astros

It's just part of a continuing trend within the Texans org and how they go about acquiring players.
A partial list of Astros with a history of injuries: Verlander, Keuchel, McCullers, Morton, McHugh, Springer, Bregman, Altuve, and Correa. Be sure and spit your vemon on the Astros if they EVER re-sign any of these "Texan type" players.
 
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