Jadmakaveli
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Was his other knee that would have nothing to do with injury history. This was just a unfortunate event that occurred.
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Deshaun Watson - Out for the Year - Torn ACL
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I'm asking you as you implied the connection.
Jadmakaveli
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At first I️ thought you were straight up trolling. But you truly are something else. You literally have the worse takes I’ve ever heard. You very well may be the Skip Bayless of the forums.
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CloakNNNdagger
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The play that I commented on was when Watson's torso was pushed back while his knees were bent back on themselves with his butt touching his lower leg. I commented that that's exactly how knees are easily destroyed. Following that play, he was distinctly significantly limping. When you sustain a partial tear of the ACL, a player can continue to play as long as the pain is manageable. Especially if it is a Grade I or mild Grade II ACL tear, it may not extend for quite a while down the line..........and manifest itself as a non-contact injury later. My guess is that his ACL tear, although it could now be a full rupture, could very well be a partial tear that extended to the point that the pain was no longer manageable. It is reported that prior to an MRI, he was felt to have on physical an ACL tear. Complete ruptures are easy to diagnose upon physical exam alone, partial tears are more difficult to diagnose without MRI, although many partial tears can be diagnosed on physical exam alone.That looks like the play that did it. I remember CnD mention something about it in the game day thread.
It's important to note that ~20-25% of ACL tears turn out to be partial.
Watson's right knee is the current ACL involved.............the contralateral knee as the ACL he suffered in 2014.............and very similar delayed circumstances.
From May 21, 2017:
Watson actually suffered an LCL tear and bone bruise that you hear little about in a Nov 15, 2014 game. An MRI revealed the aforementioned findings, and an ACL tear was not present at that time. It wasn't until several days later that he tore his ACL (non contact) in practice, a diagnosis which was confirmed by another MRI.
Empirical knee injury risk can sometimes be lessened by strengthening of the muscles that contribute to the stability of the knee through its tendinous attachments around the joint..........the quads and hamstrings. Also attaining the proper balance of these muscles becomes very important. In addition, addressing any hip joint deformity and/or hip joint associated muscular imbalance is very important, in that, for example, the simple turning in of the hip places inordinate stresses on the knee joint.
When you look at skinny legs/knees, muscle "bulking" does not occur around the joint and does not in this way add to any protection of the knee joint (see figure below). Ligaments themselves which act as movement limiters of abnormal joint movement (such as side-to-side or front-to-back) cannot themselves be strengthened all that much with exercise, especially when genetically small/narrow.
Skinny legs/knees have a lesser platform to maintain knee stability. The wider the area of joint bone contact, the less likely they are to fulcrum tilt from one side to another (see figure above), and logically less likely to stress/tear supporting ligaments.
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MightyTExan
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What in my takes are incorrect?
Seems to be a case of you don't like the messenger or maybe what he's saying. CND predicted this not me, is it my fault that his predicition came true?
I cant wait for his next analysis on DW's injury. I'm sure you will not be liking it very much.
BTW, I'm far from a troll, others that dont even really care for my posts will vouch for that. You're new here and if you look at my posts from the past you will understand I'm really a fan who's stuck with the Texans org thru thick and thin. I just dont agree with how the Texans org has been run the last decade.
Now, I'm just kind of burned out on the Texans ending up in the same place yr after yr and the direction the NFL in general is going. So I just laugh at things now days that I really used to care about.
As DB has said in the past it's only entertainment.
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Jadmakaveli
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If not mistaken he Tore his left knee in college.
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I've been reading that his college injury was his left ACL.
BREAKING: Texans QB Deshaun Watson tears ACL in practice
Swinney: Deshaun Watson played on torn ACL
Not me,
I just said this is what CnD predicted.
It's just part of a continuing trend within the Texans org and how they go about acquiring players.
Jadmakaveli
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People are out trying to make this a injury history thing when this was nothing but a unfortunate injury. But I️ understand if you want this to fit your narrative lol.
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nut
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The Financial and Professional Impact of Anterior Cruciate Ligament Injuries in National Football League Athletes
Googled this info. Whether true or not, I dunno, I'm not a doctor (but I have stayed at an Holiday Inn Express alot). This study was in the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine published 8/30/16.
The article was in The Guardian US Edition dated 5/11/17.
"In the NFL, like other sports, a lasting return to play is also influenced by the player’s pre-injury position – 20% of running backs and wide receivers never return to the NFL and for those that do return, performance drops by a third. However, because their performance is less tied to lower body speed and explosiveness, 12 out of the 13 of NFL quarterbacks studied after ACL surgeries were able to resume playing at pre-injury levels."
The info is all good and fine about QB's returning to pre-injury levels, but, if the info is accurate, will DW have to curtail some of the running portion of his game in order to remain healthy?
Any responses appreciated.
Googled this info. Whether true or not, I dunno, I'm not a doctor (but I have stayed at an Holiday Inn Express alot). This study was in the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine published 8/30/16.
The article was in The Guardian US Edition dated 5/11/17.
"In the NFL, like other sports, a lasting return to play is also influenced by the player’s pre-injury position – 20% of running backs and wide receivers never return to the NFL and for those that do return, performance drops by a third. However, because their performance is less tied to lower body speed and explosiveness, 12 out of the 13 of NFL quarterbacks studied after ACL surgeries were able to resume playing at pre-injury levels."
The info is all good and fine about QB's returning to pre-injury levels, but, if the info is accurate, will DW have to curtail some of the running portion of his game in order to remain healthy?
Any responses appreciated.
I'm telling you to ask CnD if you really want to know the answer. He's much more knowledgeable on this subject than I am.
That's if your post was really about getting your question answered and not just another dig at me. Look, I'm not happy that DW got injured either. I just look at how the Texans have acquired payers in the past or let them play injured in the past, so DW's injury doesn't surprise me in the least.
What narrative?
When it was predicted before it happened? Does this make what happened a narrative in your mind?
Jadmakaveli
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Jadmakaveli
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See little stupid **** like this makes nobody take you serious. What on his part did he mess up to cause this injury?
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I'm basing my question on benefit of the doubt that you aren't implying the connection just haphazardly.
Just like in this post of yours that I quoted, you're stating that his past injury has some bearing on this current one. I'm simply asking what the connection is you're going off of.
CnD predicted he would get hurt before the end of the season.
I'm still haven't seen where he tore his other ACL.
Fred
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In light of this news, it would be nice if this board could go one day without our resident hypocrite dumbass jackass hater chiming in.
markn
All Pro
Well this sucks, what a shame for the lad. I hope there's a chance he makes a full recovery.
Two weird points:
Not bothered by the DB trade now since the fact that we have no O-line this year is irrelevant.
Did Kaepernick's collusion lawsuit just gain some more circumstantial evidence?
Two weird points:
Not bothered by the DB trade now since the fact that we have no O-line this year is irrelevant.
Did Kaepernick's collusion lawsuit just gain some more circumstantial evidence?
Jadmakaveli
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Could predict any player could get hurt before the season. Shut up please. Go ahead and carry on with your day Skip.
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Who is nobody? You?
He didn't mess up anything, his style of play will lead to more injuries like this one. It happens to all QB's with this style. I know you're all emotional right now so I will give you a break.
Jadmakaveli
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CloakNNNdagger
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You are correct, and I corrected it when I proofed it.
Off of what CnD has posted in the past. Some of which is implied.
He was also going off of knowledge that this is the same injured knee as before, except it isn't.
So what does injury history have to do with the decision to draft Deshaun being a poor have to do with this injury in particular?
You've made this claim repeatedly and have seemingly done so independent of what CnD, or anyone else, has said. Surely you can stand by your own thinking here, no?
Difference is he DID predict this injury.
Shut up? LOL Very mature, you cant seem to figure out if you want to respond to my posts or not. If you feel that way just put me on ignore.
Jadmakaveli
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Difference is he predicted someone would get hurt in a 100% injury rate sport? WOW. I️ like his work just like everyone else but you’ve made this something more than what it is. A unfortunate I️injury skip.
Edit: also why did he say he would get injured? Did his injury that just took place have anything to do with what he’s said?
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Where you got this wrong is, at the time I said Watson was a top 15 QB. He proved he was better than that. I also after reading CnD's posts came to the conclusion that DW is injury prone because of his reckless style of play. The greatest ability for a player is availability.
Jadmakaveli
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So you are saying his “reckless style of play” got him injured today?
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A predictable response
Kinda like a person who predicted DW would get hurt.
We are never going to agree. I'm going out for dinner, I will catch up with you later.
I have no idea what you're talking about with the top 15 stuff. Nothing I've mentioned at all thus far.
What was so reckless about how he was hurt here?
I'm saying he has a history of knee injury and it was likely to happen again and again. I'm trying to prepare you for the future.
See my last post to Jack-Hole.
So it wasn't about recklessness then?
And now a guy who injures one knee should be expected to injure the other one? How so?
Jadmakaveli
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This is what I'm trying to figure out but somehow theres no answer for it.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
We know we have a scrub.
Section516
Warrior
Dang. This hurts so bad.
Fred
Veteran
Sure
Well, there's these. You wanting to trade up in 2018 if we can get a recently injured player out of it, then coming here and pretending like drafting a player who ever had an injury is the height of bad judgment.
You always hated the trade for DW4 and said he would never be better than the 15th best QB. Then he proves you wrong (as usual) and its fortunate that Ricky drafted him. Then he gets injured and you are all "never wanted him because of his injury history".
Then of course your high moral principles that you will never go to a NFL game again that only lasted one game. Because you are a hypocrite who does not have moral principles even 1% as much as Duane Brown and Colin K do.
markn
All Pro
Are you trying to cheer us up?
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I wonder how many players there are in the league without an injury history given the nature of the sport?
Number19
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Just putting the past behind me and looking to the future.