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I hate to bring everybody down, but could someone knowledgeable explain the basics about why and how this offense is supposedly so "complicated"?

I mean, it doesn't look all that complicated on the field, at least to this untutored eye. So I wonder if it really is all that "complicated" compared to other NFL offenses.

All details and explanation would be helpful. Also, why is this complexity valuable in the NFL? And if it's so valuable, why don't most teams run it or something similar?

Or is this "complicated" business just a load (or half-a-load) of hooey?

And PS: If this is already explained in detail elsewhere on or off this board, I'd appreciate direction or link.
 
What's so complicated about three yards and a cloud of dust ?!

What's so complicated about running a 4 yard route on third and 7 ..... And your QB throws the ball to the other team ?!
 
Corrosion said:
What's so complicated about three yards and a cloud of dust ?!

What's so complicated about running a 4 yard route on third and 7 ..... And your QB throws the ball to the other team ?!
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You're dismissing the high levels creativity necessary to invent new & different ways to fail every week.
I mean is it three yards up the middle? Is is a reverse? ...a pitch out?
is the pass a quick slant into the teeth of the defense where the WR has no chance for RAC?
is it a button hook or quick out?

give a little credit where credit is due.
:D
 
From what I've read it seems to be the language of the offense that is complicated, and the fact that there are any number of reads to be taken pre and post snap by each member of the receiving group, each of which requires the QB to view the field and make the same read at the same time sans communication.

It actually sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, especially when you start injecting in a load of inexperienced/rookie players expecting them to all be on the same page from day one.

I prefer the old Kubiak method of clever route patterns scheming open less physically gifted receivers and leaving the QB to make sound decisions to move the chains.

It speaks volumes to me that Andre Johnson didn't look to good in this system. If you are scheming AJ to look normal, then you don't have a good scheme IMHO.
 
And please don't forget the 3 yard pass over the middle to the TE when it is 3rd down and 9!
And the inevitable draw play on 3rd and 17. Because those plays are so complicated the D won't ever be able to cover it!
 
I find it hard to believe that a guy that had the smarts to be accepted to Notre Dame would have a hard time learning a playbook. I'm starting to think our scout team on the offense side just isn't very good.
 
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welsh texan said:
From what I've read it seems to be the language of the offense that is complicated, and the fact that there are any number of reads to be taken pre and post snap by each member of the receiving group, each of which requires the QB to view the field and make the same read at the same time sans communication.

It actually sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, especially when you start injecting in a load of inexperienced/rookie players expecting them to all be on the same page from day one.

I prefer the old Kubiak method of clever route patterns scheming open less physically gifted receivers and leaving the QB to make sound decisions to move the chains.

It speaks volumes to me that Andre Johnson didn't look to good in this system. If you are scheming AJ to look normal, then you don't have a good scheme IMHO.
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Yeah, I'm sure AJ's age had nothing to do with that or the fact that he was complete toast the very next season when he ran to the Titans.
 
TripleTap said:
I hate to bring everybody down, but could someone knowledgeable explain the basics about why and how this offense is supposedly so "complicated"?

I mean, it doesn't look all that complicated on the field, at least to this untutored eye. So I wonder if it really is all that "complicated" compared to other NFL offenses.

All details and explanation would be helpful. Also, why is this complexity valuable in the NFL? And if it's so valuable, why don't most teams run it or something similar?

Or is this "complicated" business just a load (or half-a-load) of hooey?

And PS: If this is already explained in detail elsewhere on or off this board, I'd appreciate direction or link.
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I guess some here believe it's a load of hooey, or a half load anyway, and to tell you the truth, I haven't made up my mind yet.

From what I understand, and I could be totally wrong on this, the reason the Offense is so complicated is because of the number of plays in the play book, not that the plays are complicated themselves. BOB has said before that his Offense plays to the weaknesses of the other team's Defense. So, instead of running a particular Offense, lets say for example a "West Coast Offense" with a "Zone Blocking" scheme like we had under Kubes, and having the Defense know and practice for that, BOB's Offense will use plays that target the other teams defensive weaknesses. So, his playbook will have plays from all different kinds of Offenses and they will pick and choose what plays they think will work best against the Defense they are playing against. I guess in theory it sounds good but I just don't think we've seen it work as well in practice for the Texans. One of the big reasons why is that BOB doesn't have his "Tom Brady" to QB the team. Someone who has been there for years, knows all the plays, and can make corrections at the LOS when needed. JMO.
 
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welsh texan said:
From what I've read it seems to be the language of the offense that is complicated, and the fact that there are any number of reads to be taken pre and post snap by each member of the receiving group, each of which requires the QB to view the field and make the same read at the same time sans communication.

It actually sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, especially when you start injecting in a load of inexperienced/rookie players expecting them to all be on the same page from day one.

I prefer the old Kubiak method of clever route patterns scheming open less physically gifted receivers and leaving the QB to make sound decisions to move the chains.

It speaks volumes to me that Andre Johnson didn't look to good in this system. If you are scheming AJ to look normal, then you don't have a good scheme IMHO.
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To the bold - There is much of that in Kubiak's offense as well .... The real differences are in the lack of those clever route combinations that get guys open and not having a quarterback that can make basic throws on target ....


The real QB guru left the building ..... then went and won a title with the scrub QB we have currently playing a large role in their season.
 
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thunderkyss said:
The most complicated thing about this offense is trying to find the GOAT in the 4th round or later.
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You forget that the guy that Belecheat had before Brady was 1:1 ?? (Drafted by Parcells) Bledsoe had them in the SuperBowl in 1996 .... and helped them reach Brady's first taking over late in the AFC Championship game against the Steelers - leading them on the winning drive.


I don't care if they find the GOAT in the 27th round ..... I just want them to identify a guy who doesn't suck , I'm tired of Suck QB's ..... 9 of them in a row.
 
Kubiak-Shanahan -Offense - proven success on many teams, copied and repeated by several teams, been around for a long time, whats the OB offense technically called, its a two last name hyphenated name, one of the more learned commenters probably know it. How many teams use it? How long has it been used? and how successful has it been?
 
jradMIT said:
Kubiak-Shanahan -Offense - proven success on many teams, copied and repeated by several teams, been around for a long time, whats the OB offense technically called, its a two last name hyphenated name, one of the more learned commenters probably know it. How many teams use it? How long has it been used? and how successful has it been?
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Texans run a modified version of the Ernhardt-Perkins system.
Not a whole bunch of teams use it - Patriots, Panthers, Broncos, Chargers, Steelers and Giants.
Most seem to favour a West Coast offense.
This system has won 9 of the last 15 SB's.
 
Insideop said:
BOB has said before that his Offense plays to the weaknesses of the other team's Defense. So, instead of running a particular Offense, lets say for example a "West Coast Offense" with a "Zone Blocking" scheme like we had under Kubes, and having the Defense know and practice for that, BOB's Offense will use plays that target the other teams defensive weaknesses.
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Except no one has ever seen it do that.
 
Texansphan said:
Texans run a modified version of the Ernhardt-Perkins system.
Not a whole bunch of teams use it - Patriots, Panthers, Broncos, Chargers, Steelers and Giants.
Most seem to favour a West Coast offense.
This system has won 9 of the last 15 SB's.
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So basically the Pats, Giants, and Steelers have won SB's with it, Tom Brady and Big Ben really skew the data on this one. I wonder what are the most QB friendly systems, one's with less reads and decision making required. I know Kubiak's offense was very easy on the QB's they had few reads typically, god know OS needs as little as possible.
 
Insideop said:
I guess some here believe it's a load of hooey, or a half load anyway, and to tell you the truth, I haven't made up my mind yet.

From what I understand, and I could be totally wrong on this, the reason the Offense is so complicated is because of the number of plays in the play book, not that the plays are complicated themselves. BOB has said before that his Offense plays to the weaknesses of the other team's Defense. So, instead of running a particular Offense, lets say for example a "West Coast Offense" with a "Zone Blocking" scheme like we had under Kubes, and having the Defense know and practice for that, BOB's Offense will use plays that target the other teams defensive weaknesses. So, his playbook will have plays from all different kinds of Offenses and they will pick and choose what plays they think will work best against the Defense they are playing against. I guess in theory it sounds good but I just don't think we've seen in work as well in practice for the Texans. One of the big reasons why is that BOB doesn't have his "Tom Brady" to QB the team. Someone who has been there for years, knows all the plays, and can make corrections at the LOS when needed. JMO.
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I think a fair amount of our offensive players are as athletic as the pats offense.

However, i'd love to see a wonderlic comparison. Im just to lazy to make that effort.
 
TripleTap said:
I hate to bring everybody down, but could someone knowledgeable explain the basics about why and how this offense is supposedly so "complicated"?

I mean, it doesn't look all that complicated on the field, at least to this untutored eye. So I wonder if it really is all that "complicated" compared to other NFL offenses.

All details and explanation would be helpful. Also, why is this complexity valuable in the NFL? And if it's so valuable, why don't most teams run it or something similar?

Or is this "complicated" business just a load (or half-a-load) of hooey?

And PS: If this is already explained in detail elsewhere on or off this board, I'd appreciate direction or link.
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It was only complicated to Os.

Fitz/Hoyer had career yrs in BOB's offense.
 
76Texan has a very thorough explanation of the offense O'Brien runs. Can't remember which thread.
 
Just another thought on this, I feel the difficulty Os found in dealing with this playbook actually led to him making far too many calls at the LOS.

It's easier for D's to decipher what's being called at the LOS than with just the formation to go off. And also it keys them in to a relatively small number of plays they know Os is comfortable with. All this helped them cheat towards what was coming and we saw a large number of plays break down or go the other way because of this.

There was that deep sideline throw to Jaelen Strong about quarter of the way through the season that was called with a subtle hand signal. After that point D's seemed to latch on to the need to shut down the LOS adjustments and completely nullified the one thing Os had some success with early on.
 
It's not complicated, all the offense has to do is get into FG range every drive. Simple. That's the O'Brien FG Offense in a nutshell
 
TripleTap said:
I hate to bring everybody down, but could someone knowledgeable explain the basics about why and how this offense is supposedly so "complicated"?

I mean, it doesn't look all that complicated on the field, at least to this untutored eye. So I wonder if it really is all that "complicated" compared to other NFL offenses.

All details and explanation would be helpful. Also, why is this complexity valuable in the NFL? And if it's so valuable, why don't most teams run it or something similar?

Or is this "complicated" business just a load (or half-a-load) of hooey?

And PS: If this is already explained in detail elsewhere on or off this board, I'd appreciate direction or link.
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This "complicated" offense consists in handing the ball to the RB for 2 yards over left guard on 2nd & 10. It's become very predictable.
It's a 2-edged sword. You can have a few plays and execute them perfectly, or lots of plays and catch the D napping if you can run them.
 
It's not even about how complicated the plays, formations, derivations, and adjustments at the line at . Seems like a QB like OS who doesn't go through his reads properly or make good decisions needs an offense with less or easier reads. But hey OS is just one overpaid measly underperforming QB, why change it all for him.

Looking at how the season progressed, they probably simplified it more than we know which is why the offense looked so predictable.

It was like one of those new smart tests that asks easier or harder questions based on whether you get the question right or wrong, by season's end the offense was 1+1=?


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Texansphan said:
Texans run a modified version of the Ernhardt-Perkins system.
Not a whole bunch of teams use it - Patriots, Panthers, Broncos, Chargers, Steelers and Giants.
Most seem to favour a West Coast offense.
This system has won 9 of the last 15 SB's.
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The Broncos ran a West Coast Offense under Shanahan and Kubiak. That's the system they have won their 3 SB's with. Not sure what they will run under the new regime.

As for the Texans, well, I guess they do run a modified version of the Ernhardt-Perkins system, but then again, the Patriots run a modified version also. Came across this article from 2013 that is a good, but long, read that explains a lot of what the Ernhardt-Perkins system and the other 2 systems (West Coast and Air Coryell) are that most NFL teams use.

http://grantland.com/features/how-t...helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/


The Ernhardt-Perkins system, to me, works really well only when you have the right QB in place. Is Brock or Savage the right QB? Will it take time to develop one of them, hopefully, into a Brady like QB, and is that what BOB wanted to do with Brock but now wants to move on to another QB?
 
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All of patriots wrs are ex pr/kr. All they run are option routes and angle routes. Everybody and their mama know Brady cant throw breaking out routes, yet, his wrs get in the middle of the field and break tackles. If you want rac yds on shorter routes, you must have those guys with kr/pr in their background. Or find a freak like Thomas of Denver.
 
Insideop said:
The Broncos ran a West Coast Offense under Shanahan and Kubiak. That's the system they have won their 3 SB's with. Not sure what they will run under the new regime.

As for the Texans, well, I guess they do run a modified version of the Ernhardt-Perkins system, but then again, the Patriots run a modified version also. Came across this article from 2013 that is a good, but long, read that explains a lot of what the Ernhardt-Perkins system and the other 2 systems (West Coast and Air Coryell) are that most NFL teams use.

http://grantland.com/features/how-t...helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/


The Ernhardt-Perkins system, to me, works really well only when you have the right QB in place. Is Brock or Savage the right QB? Will it take time to develop one of them, hopefully, into a Brady like QB, and is that what BOB wanted to do with Brock but now wants to move on to another QB?
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I sure as hell hope not .... They could develop those two clowns until judgement day ands they still wouldn't add up to the lint in Brady's pocket. It's time to move on .... for better or worse , and I really don't think it can get much worse than the worst starting QB in the league.
 
Corrosion said:
I sure as hell hope not .... They could develop those two clowns until judgement day ands they still wouldn't add up to the lint in Brady's pocket. It's time to move on .... for better or worse , and I really don't think it can get much worse than the worst starting QB in the league.
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We had Keenum last year? :kitten:
 
I don't really see how it's difficult. Having gone back and watched a number of games, it comes down to the QB making basic reads and basic throws. We aren't asking the QB to do a lot after the snap, maybe pre-snap, but even then it's hard to say what's being asked.

Bottom line, this offense creates opportunities and they just were not exploited by the QB. If the QB can make some basic throws, the offense can do more and take more risks, but until then it is about as simple as it gets.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't really see how it's difficult. Having gone back and watched a number of games, it comes down to the QB making basic reads and basic throws. We aren't asking the QB to do a lot after the snap, maybe pre-snap, but even then it's hard to say what's being asked.

Bottom line, this offense creates opportunities and they just were not exploited by the QB. If the QB can make some basic throws, the offense can do more and take more risks, but until then it is about as simple as it gets.
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From what I understand, the QB and the Wr's have to make the same read on the play which will be different depending on the defense. That's part of the problem IMO
 
JB said:
From what I understand, the QB and the Wr's have to make the same read on the play which will be different depending on the defense. That's part of the problem IMO
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I have no idea if that is true on alot of routes, it seems to me that it's only happening a small percentage of the time, but even if it is happening often there are a number of problems with it.

1: guys are open so the receiver made the right decision and the QB is not. That's a big statement because most of the receivers are not experienced, whereas the QB had more games played in the NFL and more games observing, as he was a 5th year vet.

2: if that's a big part of the offense, having mostly rookie or second year receivers was not a smart choice.

I think all these questions will come to an end once there is a competent QB at the helm. Brock was really bad and that's all that we really have to say. Obviously, if the QB is bad it changes everything on offense. We haven't even seen what OB is capable of at this point.
 
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I agree with all that but will we ever have a competent Qb?
 
I don't give a **** if it's complicated or not, whatever the hell it is it doesn't work.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
I have no idea if that is true on alot of routes, it seems to me that it's only happening a small percentage of the time, but even if it is happening often there are a number of problems with it.

1: guys are open so the receiver made the right decision and the QB is not. That's a big statement because most of the receivers are not experienced, whereas the QB had more games played in the NFL and more games observing, as he was a 5th year vet.

2: if that's a big part of the offense, having mostly rookie or second year receivers was not a smart choice.

I think all these questions will come to an end once there is a competent QB at the helm. Brock was really bad and that's all that we really have to say. Obviously, if the QB is bad it changes everything on offense. We haven't even seen what OB is capable of at this point.
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I agree with every thing in this post, especially #2, but I don't think it's either/or. I think all of it piled on top of each other to make a bad situation worse. Some times the receiver was right, some times the QB was right. Too many times the receiver or the QB was wrong. Sometimes the protection didn't hold up. Some times a questionable hold away from the play negated a big play. Sometimes the play calling was gutless because the OC didn't know what to do, or he didn't trust the QB to do what needed to be done.
 
JB said:
We had Keenum last year? :kitten:
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Keenum was arguably better than Os on a much worse team .... Completion percentage - 60.9 / 59 , Yards per pass 6.8 / 5.8 , QBR 76.4 / 72.2

Hell Os was able to make DHop look like an average WR instead of the top 5 guy he appeared to be with scrubs like Hoyer & Fitzpatrick chucking balls his direction.
 
One of the things I'm wondering is What's the sense of forcing this offense on a team that is ill-prepared in terms of personnel, experience, QB, etc? May be a damn fine offense at NE with Brady and those scrappy underprivileged receivers, but here we got nothing at QB, at least one maybe 2 "fancy" receivers and not so many scrappy types (ex-returners), and about zed in terms of experience.

I'm thinking the punishment ought fit the crime.

And Big Bill Broonzy been pushing this O for how many years now?
 
Insideop said:
The Broncos ran a West Coast Offense under Shanahan and Kubiak. That's the system they have won their 3 SB's with. Not sure what they will run under the new regime.

As for the Texans, well, I guess they do run a modified version of the Ernhardt-Perkins system, but then again, the Patriots run a modified version also. Came across this article from 2013 that is a good, but long, read that explains a lot of what the Ernhardt-Perkins system and the other 2 systems (West Coast and Air Coryell) are that most NFL teams use.

http://grantland.com/features/how-t...helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/


The Ernhardt-Perkins system, to me, works really well only when you have the right QB in place. Is Brock or Savage the right QB? Will it take time to develop one of them, hopefully, into a Brady like QB, and is that what BOB wanted to do with Brock but now wants to move on to another QB?
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That was a most educational read. Thanks!!
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree with every thing in this post, especially #2, but I don't think it's either/or. I think all of it piled on top of each other to make a bad situation worse. Some times the receiver was right, some times the QB was right. Too many times the receiver or the QB was wrong. Sometimes the protection didn't hold up. Some times a questionable hold away from the play negated a big play. Sometimes the play calling was gutless because the OC didn't know what to do, or he didn't trust the QB to do what needed to be done.
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A coach who is not too set on his own ways with an understanding of his talent can see whether he has to make some changes that best utilize that talent that he has. If the coaches original system does not fit the pieces than a the coach should learn how to get the best out of his players.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
A coach who is not too set on his own ways with an understanding of his talent can see whether he has to make some changes that best utilize that talent that he has. If the coaches original system does not fit the pieces than a the coach should learn how to get the best out of his players.
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Dude you cant squeeze blood out of a turnip ....

Nothing in sports is more debilitating to a team than bad quarterback play , OB is seriously handcuffed by said bad quarterback play.

No amount of tweaking the offense is going to hide Brock Osweiler's ineptitude.


All OB has had since he got get was journeymen and trash at the QB spot .... and he's outperformed it each year (And I am far from an OB fan so consider this high praise) getting 9-7 out of those journeymen and trash QB's three years in a row.
The best he's had to operate with is Hoyer and Fitzy .... Hell , I'd like to see what he could do with just an average quarterback instead of the hot garbage he's had to work with these three seasons.
 
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Corrosion said:
Dude you cant squeeze blood out of a turnip ....

Nothing in sports is more debilitating to a team than bad quarterback play , OB is seriously handcuffed by said bad quarterback play.

No amount of tweaking the offense is going to hide Brock Osweiler's ineptitude.


All OB has had since he got get was journeymen and trash at the QB spot .... and he's outperformed it each year (And I am far from an OB fan so consider this high praise) getting 9-7 out of those journeymen and trash QB's three years in a row.
The best he's had to operate with is Hoyer and Fitzy .... Hell , I'd like to see what he could do with just an average quarterback instead of the hot garbage he's had to work with these three seasons.
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But how much is on him for those crap QB's being here? I'm thinking that maybe Clowney was forced on him so he couldn't get the QB his first draft. No one good enough his second. And Os forced on him
 
JB said:
But how much is on him for those crap QB's being here? I'm thinking that maybe Clowney was forced on him so he couldn't get the QB his first draft. No one good enough his second. And Os forced on him
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I don't know if they forced Clowney and Osweiler on him or not .... Quite possible.

I don't know who he would have wanted out of that draft .... and other than Bortles & Manziel they could have had Clowney and any quarterback he wanted. BottledWater went one pick ahead of them and HWWNBMv2.0 went 3 spots after they took XSF & JimmyG went three picks ahead of them picking Fido. Any of those guys could have been had with little expenditure of resources ....

Did he think he could win big with Fitzy & Hoyer .... or that he could get a competent quarterback in the draft later ? Was Savage his guy all along ?!


All I know is that this team is still , after 3 seasons desperate for a competent quarterback .... I just hope that they don't make a mistake with the next one like they did with the current one.


I think they almost have to draft one early this season .... Don't know if they would make a move up for one of top 3 , I'd be happy if they could land either Trubisky or Kizer but doubt that either make it past the 12th pick .... where QB's go to die. Not big on Watson or Mahomes.
 
Corrosion said:
Dude you cant squeeze blood out of a turnip ....

Nothing in sports is more debilitating to a team than bad quarterback play , OB is seriously handcuffed by said bad quarterback play.

No amount of tweaking the offense is going to hide Brock Osweiler's ineptitude.


All OB has had since he got get was journeymen and trash at the QB spot .... and he's outperformed it each year (And I am far from an OB fan so consider this high praise) getting 9-7 out of those journeymen and trash QB's three years in a row.
The best he's had to operate with is Hoyer and Fitzy .... Hell , I'd like to see what he could do with just an average quarterback instead of the hot garbage he's had to work with these three seasons.
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I totally disagree.

Fitzpatrick went on to the Jets and posted a 10-6 record in a division that includes the Pats while the Bills and Dolphins combined for 14-18..
O' Brien severely handcuffed Fitz, trying to reign in his mistakes.

Hoyer was 10-6 in Cleveland, a place where QBS go to die.
Let that sink in for a moment.
He didn't even have Alex Mack for the majority of the second year.
And quick, quick, try to name one of his weapons.
Also, I'm sure you don't realize that the Browns won just one game that Hoyer didn't start in those two years.
The AFC north had 3 teams that won 10 or more games in Hoyer's second season, and none with a losing record both years.
Hoyer directed at least 6 fourth quarter comeback.

The AFC south has been the weakest division in the NFL the last 3 years.

So please don't tell me about 9-7s when the Texans were good for a few blow out losses every year and the offense scored fewer and fewer points each year.

The Texans ranked 28th in point scoring last year only because the bottom feeder four had nothing to play for in the second half of the year.
That's a total disgrace.
 
Corrosion said:
Dude you cant squeeze blood out of a turnip ....

Nothing in sports is more debilitating to a team than bad quarterback play , OB is seriously handcuffed by said bad quarterback play.

No amount of tweaking the offense is going to hide Brock Osweiler's ineptitude.


All OB has had since he got get was journeymen and trash at the QB spot .... and he's outperformed it each year (And I am far from an OB fan so consider this high praise) getting 9-7 out of those journeymen and trash QB's three years in a row.
The best he's had to operate with is Hoyer and Fitzy .... Hell , I'd like to see what he could do with just an average quarterback instead of the hot garbage he's had to work with these three seasons.
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If there is a fair competition this upcoming season we shall see what is what.

You probably are right in regards to bad Qb play but running up the middle on first and second downs and getting less than 3 yards a carry is not a matter of not having faith in your quarterbacks it is plumb ignorant. As well as the Wr's running the same routes on nearly every play and Os passing for less than 5 YPA.

I get it, Os sucked, but I don't give O'b a free ride for all of it.

GG called the shots the season before last as a true OC and the offense was much better.

All I want to see is a fair training camp and preseason for whoever our quarterbacks are. Also in that battle I want to see how O'b calls the preseason games.

As far as a fair Qb competition next season I will have no dog in that hunt. I want the best man to have the job.

That being said I think Os can be much better than we saw from him last season. That is just me though.
 
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Hoyer was 10-6 in Cleveland, a place where QBS go to die.
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Hoyer's issue is that he's scared now. Before Cleveland, yeah he might have turned into a good QB. Now, you have no chance of winning with him because he just wants to get the ball out of his hands. Good decisions have left his wheel house.
 
This offense finally resembled something close to the O'Brien vision when Savage got the start. I think Savage has the best grasp of this offense but has not had any real opportunities to run with it. Texans biggest blunder during the O'Brien era.....no OL!!! No real running game and TE's that were only there in body only. Give Savage an OL, a RB who commands some respect from defenses and TE's that can take the seams out of a defense and then...and only then do the Texans fans finally get to see how this offense is supposed to executed. The defense might actually enjoy watching it as well instead of preparing for 3 and outs the majority of the time.
 
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