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How about Tony Romo in Houston

ObsiWan said:
If you want to spend money on a vet, how about Matt Kalil to beef up the O-line. He'll be a F/A and SpotTrac projects his mkt value at around 5+ mil/yr. He could play LT and move D.Brown to RT or keep D.B. where he is for another year or so and put Kalil at RT. And compared to taking on Romo's salary, that leaves some change to pick up another F/A lineman (or CB).
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Put me in the build the OL & defense camp .... since we are stuck with Os for at least next season.

There is the remote possibility that they cut him this year and take the entire $25m cap hit .... but who replaces him ?? The FA crop is hot garbage aside from Cousins who will most likely be back in DC - Fitzy is the #2 ranked FA QB in this years group and next years is not much better.


May as well build the OL & defense .... and beat teams pounding the ball down the opponents throats and playing suffocating defense .... and hope like hell your QB doesn't give games away.
 
Romo is not getting hurt by simple hits, he is breaking a bones because of the type of hit the man got his shoulder drivin into the ground it will break goes for any Q.B, Someone dives on your back mid slide and compresses it you will get a fracture. Romo has never torn an ACL/MCL never had a concussion. he has had 1 back surgery, and 1 Shoulder surgery to Fix his shoulder problem and he throwing after that a week later. big ben, Rivers, Plamer, Manning have all had more serious injuries than Romo has

Having the best o-line does not mean you wont get hurt or hit ask Carr about the Raiders Line he is got hurt and is much younger than Romo
 
Imagine we started a 1st round rookie this season.

What would we have had to see to feel like the Texans didn't make a colossal mistake?
 
DocBar said:
Of course it is. There is no way to tell how a particular player is going to end up playing in the draft. Whether you're picking top 10 or not.
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Of course there is. Their play is largely projectable.

It's not exact, but it's not a crap shoot either. There's the human element which is probably the most often misjudged, and almost entirely under the radar to fans/draftniks. There's also the matter of what franchise a guy ends up drafted to, and whether his talents are cultivated properly/effectively. But watching a guy play and making a projection of transferable talent isn't just throwing darts. There's a reason the vast majority of stars in the league are higher drafted than not. And yes, guys drafted lower find a considerable amount of success as well, and like I said, it's not exact.

Instead of a crap shoot, which is almost entirely blind luck, I liken it to a horse race, where there is a bunch of information available to make an educated decision on, but the end result comes down to a number of soon to be variables.
 
Corrosion said:
Sure it is .... at the expense of using the vast majority of your cap space which means cutting corners everywhere else and renouncing most if not all of your free agents.


Romo has played behind the NFL's best OL the past couple seasons and has ended up on the shelf .... Imagine him behind this rag tag bunch.
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What corners are you cutting? Outside of Bouye there isn't much in term of FA. You can acquire Romo, sign Bouye and a RT, sign draft picks without having to cut Jjo or Cushing.

Look at the FA list

Vince wilfork
Quentin Demps
Akeem dent
Shane Lechler
AJ Abouye
Nick Novak
Antonio Smith
Ryan Griffin
Don Jones
Oday Aboushi
Jon Grimes
Devon Still
John Simon
David Quesenberry

Because the Texans have 51+ under the roster each of theses guys cap hits would be reduced by 500k, except for Bouye these guys will be either cheap and/or replaceable by someone who is in FA or draft.

Injury is a legitimate reason however money is not, the Texans have more than enough and acquiring Romo won't limit short of making a run at Leveon Bell or multiple high end FA.


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Corrosion said:
Romo has played behind the NFL's best OL the past couple seasons and has ended up on the shelf .... Imagine him behind this rag tag bunch.
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Strangely enough the gurus at ESPN have our O-line ranked 7th, overall, in the NFL for this past season (the Cowboys famed O-line was 4th in case you were wondering).
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They used these metrics...
1. Adjusted line yards (ALY): A Football Outsiders' metric that splits value between the blocking and the back based on the length of the run, adjusted for situation and opponent.
2. Stuffed rate: How often running backs are stuffed for a loss or no gain, the most blocking-dependent part of ALY.
3. Adjusted sack rate (ASR): Sacks (and intentional groundings) per pass play, adjusted for situation and opponent.
4. Pressure rate: How often the quarterback is under duress, including sacks and hurries, according to ESPN Stats & Information charting.
5. Penalties: per game by offensive linemen (including declined and offsetting).​

There's a table at the end of the article showing how all 32 teams ranked. We were third best in not allowing our backs to get stuffed behind the LoS. I guess a 2 or 3 yd run doesn't count as stuffed
...even though you needed 4 for the 1st down.
 
Os ain't going anywhere. We are more likely to draft a young Qb and keep either Savage or Weeden to compete for starter in training camp and preseason.

Might as well accept that Os will be in the mix and might even be our starter.

I don't expect our front office to do much in the way of a trade or in free agency when it comes to quarterbacks.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Os ain't going anywhere. We are more likely to draft a young Qb and keep either Savage or Weeden to compete for starter in training camp and preseason.

Might as well accept that Os will be in the mix and might even be our starter.

I don't expect our front office to do much in the way of a trade or in free agency when it comes to quarterbacks.
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I've come to accept it. Mostly because O'Brien is taking over as OC. He's going to "fix" something & what needs fix'n more than Osweiler?
 
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TxnsJuggernaut said:
Os ain't going anywhere. We are more likely to draft a young Qb and keep either Savage or Weeden to compete for starter in training camp and preseason.

Might as well accept that Os will be in the mix and might even be our starter.

I don't expect our front office to do much in the way of a trade or in free agency when it comes to quarterbacks.
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You must mean since they spent so much on Osweiler...
 
What if Tony Romo just wants to start again for a good team and money isn't a factor? Let's say the Dallas Cowboys do release him and Romo has a very short list of teams he would like to play for: Texans and Broncos most notably.

Then shouldn't Rick Smith at least have some conversations with Tony Romo's agent seeing if we can put together a cap friendly two-year, incentive-based deal? It's not like Tony Romo will be looking for All Pro caliber money like he did in his last big contract that Jerry Jones gave him.

Mind you, next year at this time we can release Brock Osweiler to only a $6 million dollar cap hit. We can make other moves to clear the needed cap space to cover whatever cap space we need to bring in Romo, which shouldn't be anywhere near as much as you guys are thinking it will be.

You guys are looking at Tony Romo's current contract...
If he's released that is no longer in play. Anything can happen.
 
I also heard J.J. Watt is willing to restructure the base salary on his current contract if it can help bring in a notable player or two during the upcoming free agency. This is according to David Nuno at ABC-13 sports.

Not sure if that's hinting at a possible Tony Romo (if released) and Adrian Peterson signing (I'm assuming it is), but certainly that's nice to hear that J.J. would take one for the team. I'm sure he's excited about coming back and dominating the league like he was prior to his back surgeries and rehab.
 
Scooter said:
Obviously. Romo is better than anyone we've had outside of 'good Schaub', an escapable 1-3yr contract to see what he can do is a no brainer. To invest a trade or major contract in Romo knowing he cant survive a full season, that's just stupid.
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If Tony Romo ends up coming to Houston, I agree, it's likely going to be as a short-term free agent signing after the Dallas Cowboys release him. As I mentioned in another thread it's highly unlikely a trade can be pulled off for him. At least from the Texans perspective. J.J. Watt restructuring his current contract will clear a lot of much needed cap space. More than enough, IMO. For us to pull these things off.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
What if Tony Romo just wants to start again for a good team and money isn't a factor? Let's say the Dallas Cowboys do release him and Romo has a very short list of teams he would like to play for: Texans and Broncos most notably.

Then shouldn't Rick Smith at least have some conversations with Tony Romo's agent seeing if we can put together a cap friendly two-year, incentive-based deal? It's not like Tony Romo will be looking for All Pro caliber money like he did in his last big contract that Jerry Jones gave him.

Mind you, next year at this time we can release Brock Osweiler to only a $6 million dollar cap hit. We can make other moves to clear the needed cap space to cover whatever cap space we need to bring in Romo, which shouldn't be anywhere near as much as you guys are thinking it will be.

You guys are looking at Tony Romo's current contract...
If he's released that is no longer in play. Anything can happen.
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I don't think any team wants to have 20M in dead cap.

Unless they wait until June, but who's gonna wanna wait until then to make a move?
 
Mollywhopper said:
I don't think any team wants to have 20M in dead cap.

Unless they wait until June, but who's gonna wanna wait until then to make a move?
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No one, which will make Romo attractive to good teams that want an upgrade or competition. If we do nothing at QB and Romo is released on June 1, we will be in a good position to get him for cheap. Most teams will have spent much of their cap space by then, so he will likely go for a shitty team with lots to spend (Browns, Jags, Bills) or take a discount for a team with a chance to win something, (Texans, Broncos, Cardinals, Dolphins, Chiefs, Vikings). Depends on what those teams do in the meantime, but us and KC are most likely to do nothing.

However, there is zero reason to trade for him.
 
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Dutchrudder said:
No one, which will make Romo attractive to good teams that want an upgrade or competition. If we do nothing at QB and Romo is released on June 1, we will be in a good position to get him for cheap. Most teams will have spent much of their cap space by then, so he will likely go for a shitty team with lots to spend (Browns, Jags, Bills) or take a discount for a team with a chance to win something, (Texans, Broncos, Cardinals, Dolphins, Chiefs, Vikings). Depends on what those teams do in the meantime, but us and KC are most likely to do nothing.

However, there is zero reason to trade for him.
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Can't say I'd be opposed to drafting a developmental youngster (Mahomes, Rudolph, Peterman, Kaaya), picking up Romo affordably late, and letting Savage/Weeden fight it out in camp.
 
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Teams don't literally have to wait to June 1st anymore. Players can be cut earlier designated June 1st. That's why there is next to zero June 1st market nowadays.
 
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They probably won't wait until June 1, but I doubt they release him before the draft. They want to trade him for something of value, and I think Jerry loves him, so it might take a kings ransom. Romo could always restructure and stay with the team. Barring a trade, I expect him to still be on the team May 1, well after free agency has begun.
 
thunderkyss said:
I do know I'd have a problem drafting a QB for O'b with his track record with young QBs.
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I thought he has done a decent job with Savage - Ryan Mallett is a meathead and Osweiler is just inherently inaccurate.
Personally, I would like to see him with another young guy - this time from high in the draft.
 
If acquired via trade the cowboys have to take a 19.6 mil hit but get 5 mil in savings, the Texans would only be responsible for 14mil base salary none of which is guaranteed, as a FA who knows but if he wants another pay day he can easily find one


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jradMIT said:
What corners are you cutting? Outside of Bouye there isn't much in term of FA. You can acquire Romo, sign Bouye and a RT, sign draft picks without having to cut Jjo or Cushing.

Look at the FA list

Vince wilfork
Quentin Demps
Akeem dent
Shane Lechler
AJ Abouye
Nick Novak
Antonio Smith
Ryan Griffin
Don Jones
Oday Aboushi
Jon Grimes
Devon Still
John Simon
David Quesenberry

Because the Texans have 51+ under the roster each of theses guys cap hits would be reduced by 500k, except for Bouye these guys will be either cheap and/or replaceable by someone who is in FA or draft.

Injury is a legitimate reason however money is not, the Texans have more than enough and acquiring Romo won't limit short of making a run at Leveon Bell or multiple high end FA.


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Dude .... go do the math tell me what you have left after offering each of the above the bare minimum - aside from Bouye , just assume he walks.


Texansphan said:
I thought he has done a decent job with Savage - Ryan Mallett is a meathead and Osweiler is just inherently inaccurate.
Personally, I would like to see him with another young guy - this time from high in the draft.
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I wouldn't mind seeing them draft a QB high .... Last year. This year there just isn't much talent to be had. I'm not high on any of the prospects available aside from possibly Watson who will be long gone and he has a lot of question marks.

If Watson is your guy , would you make the move to go get him ?? What are you willing to give up to make the move to the top 5??
 
thunderkyss said:
I've come to accept it. Mostly because O'Brien is taking over as OC. He's going to "fix" something & what needs fix'n more than Osweiler?
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Can he fix it?

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Just curious, will McNair make money this year from the Superbowl here in Houston or does he only make money when the Texans play in the stadium?
 
Corrosion said:
Dude .... go do the math tell me what you have left after offering each of the above the bare minimum - aside from Bouye , just assume he walks.




I wouldn't mind seeing them draft a QB high .... Last year. This year there just isn't much talent to be had. I'm not high on any of the prospects available aside from possibly Watson who will be long gone and he has a lot of question marks.

If Watson is your guy , would you make the move to go get him ?? What are you willing to give up to make the move to the top 5??
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If you let Abouye walk those guys don't even matter, a bare minimum contract doesn't count against the cap it wouldn't be in the top 51, looking at their contract from last year (some will have to be cut or put on IR) it would take around ~3.5 million absolute most, however most of those guys can be replaced by draft picks or other FA.


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Think he needs to be retiring. Before Romo has more injuries than he has. Really think it is time for him to hang it up.
 
no way you move up to take Watson, he's not the prospect, too small, inaccurate at times too many ints from a spread with a smallish frame. If he's there at 25 you might consider it.
 
Well if we have to go next season with the sorry azz quarterbacks we currently have on our roster then they need to drastically change the offensive game plan, offensive scheme because Osweiler completion percentage is despicable and who knows about Savage, whose been here 3 years now and we still don't know what we've got there. From what I can tell.....not much. I don't see how you can continue with our current offensive game plan untill you have a quarterback that can consistently hit the target.
 
If Romo would re-do his contract to where it was heavily incentive laden I would consider it. It would have to be voidable after one year. But hell he would just get hurt nevermind.
 
mussop said:
If Romo would re-do his contract to where it was heavily incentive laden I would consider it. It would have to be voidable after one year. But hell he would just get hurt nevermind.
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I think Romo's $14M 2017 salary is guaranteed. He's more apt to end up in Chicago or San Francisco that can absorb that salary.

Romo may want to come to Houston, or maybe Denver, but I can't see him turning down $14M... he'll go where Jerrah tells him to go.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
I totally get that, but seeing as he's not going anywhere, just gotta hope the sun will shine eventually on even his ass.
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Then draft a bonafide 1st round QB.

Again this depends on the readiness of the QBs in this draft. If they're all projects... I don't know.
 
thunderkyss said:
Then draft a bonafide 1st round QB.

Again this depends on the readiness of the QBs in this draft. If they're all projects... I don't know.
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A bonafide QB at 25? Not to say it can't turn out that way, but most QB's that low aren't considered going into it bonafide.

At 25 you want to get the one in need of the least wart removal.
 
jradMIT said:
If you let Abouye walk those guys don't even matter, a bare minimum contract doesn't count against the cap it wouldn't be in the top 51, looking at their contract from last year (some will have to be cut or put on IR) it would take around ~3.5 million absolute most, however most of those guys can be replaced by draft picks or other FA.

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You keep mentioning the top 51, you're not referring to during the regular season are you?
 
If I knew Cousins was a free agent I would have been foaming at the mouth to go after him. If they don't franchise him, let's do it. Unlike Beanpole, he has the credentials to indicate he'd be a good QB for us.
 
Mollywhopper said:
A bonafide QB at 25? Not to say it can't turn out that way, but most QB's that low aren't considered going into it bonafide.

At 25 you want to get the one in need of the least wart removal.
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If I like a guy I think is a true 1st round QB, I'd start working on scenarios, if he falls to 11 (ala Big Ben), how far up can we trade... what can we get for Jj.

If I have to wait another year, I'll wait another year.
 
Mollywhopper said:
You keep mentioning the top 51, you're not referring to during the regular season are you?
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Top 51 players under contract count against the cap, this is what makes the Texans cap situation different from most teams as they currently have 54 players under contract. So even after a few cuts if you consider 5 or 6 new draftees on the roster, for each player added one will roll off the calculation so signing smaller roster filler guys counts little against the cap.


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Corrosion said:
Dude .... go do the math tell me what you have left after offering each of the above the bare minimum - aside from Bouye , just assume he walks.




I wouldn't mind seeing them draft a QB high .... Last year. This year there just isn't much talent to be had. I'm not high on any of the prospects available aside from possibly Watson who will be long gone and he has a lot of question marks.

If Watson is your guy , would you make the move to go get him ?? What are you willing to give up to make the move to the top 5??
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Kizer could be okay as could Nathan Peterman.
Trubisky is a good prospect also, but he and Watson will be gone well inside the top 10 and it will cost wayyy too much to move up that far.
 
Mollywhopper said:
A bonafide QB at 25? Not to say it can't turn out that way, but most QB's that low aren't considered going into it bonafide.

At 25 you want to get the one in need of the least wart removal.
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Didn't realize you're a QB snob. Where's your cutoff for bonafide QB?

I keep saying drafting below the 3rd is about a waste.
 
Corrosion said:
Dude .... go do the math tell me what you have left after offering each of the above the bare minimum - aside from Bouye , just assume he walks.




I wouldn't mind seeing them draft a QB high .... Last year. This year there just isn't much talent to be had. I'm not high on any of the prospects available aside from possibly Watson who will be long gone and he has a lot of question marks.

If Watson is your guy , would you make the move to go get him ?? What are you willing to give up to make the move to the top 5??
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Kizer could be okay as could Nathan Peterman.
Trubisky is a good prospect also, but he and Watson will be gone well inside the top 10 and it will cost wayyy too much to move up that far.
thunderkyss said:
I can't give him credit for Savage. Hadn't seen enough from him & they gave a guy $37M after only seven games.
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I think most are in agreement that Savage seems okay and how much money they give a guy is no reflection on coaching as it occurred before he had a chance to coach.
 
thunderkyss said:
If I like a guy I think is a true 1st round QB, I'd start working on scenarios, if he falls to 11 (ala Big Ben), how far up can we trade... what can we get for Jj.

If I have to wait another year, I'll wait another year.
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Was originally just talking about the fact that we have no choice at the moment but to either trust OB's judgment or hope he gets lucky.

With you on pretty much all the other stuff that's been mentioned.

jradMIT said:
Top 51 players under contract count against the cap, this is what makes the Texans cap situation different from most teams as they currently have 54 players under contract. So even after a few cuts if you consider 5 or 6 new draftees on the roster, for each player added one will roll off the calculation so signing smaller roster filler guys counts little against the cap.


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Top 51 doesn't count during the regular season.

infantrycak said:
Didn't realize you're a QB snob. Where's your cutoff for bonafide QB?

I keep saying drafting below the 3rd is about a waste.
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Didn't say anything about any absolutes. And I took bonafide to mean something in the ballpark of can't miss. May have just been my reading of it.

Otherwise I believe a quality future franchise guy can be found with confidence anywhere in the first few rounds.
 
i would take Romo in a heartbeat. Light years better than the crap that the Texas have shoveled down our throat as the future.
 
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