I bet Belichick was "the leak"
With his love for filming, I bet Belichick has footage of O'Brien going on a F-bomb tirade against Smith and the McNairs.
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I bet Belichick was "the leak"
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."I think you're smarter than to always want to dismiss things as if they just came out of thin air. This didn't. You look around the rest of the playoff teams and they don't have these imaginary rumors swirling around the HC and the team's GM. This is very common to hear this stuff towards the end of the season with certain groups of management or HC's. OB is not some push over and he'll let his opinions be known. It isn't like having to believe in big foot to believe that that him and Rick Smith may not get along that well especially with how dysfunctional the Texans organization has always been. Radio hosts and reporters didn't just get high one night and think they could get a bunch of web hits by manifesting spats between Texans staff members with literally zero validity to it. There is a struggling QB that OB may or may not have wanted who has a huge salary cap and he played awful this season. That wasn't expected. Things got rocky this year as they did last year. Why wouldn't they have disagreements with circumstances like that?
Geez I swear some of you guys almost put a wall up to believe anything no matter how obvious unless you see video footage of it on your street.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Saying O'Brien will soon be available (meaning he'll quit or get fired) to fill the new head coaching vacancies" is a freakin' extraordinary claim.
Where's the evidence?
Oh and video footage can be doctored. So that's suspect too.
No one guaranteed that was about to happen. It was all speculation. That is an accurate thing to speculate when that sort of dysfunctional relationship worsens. I don't think there is any doubt that OB and Smith have had a rocky relationship. Are you calling that itself BS?
Its as if speculating about a report must mean we think its a fact or a foregone conclusion. I dont think anyone believes that or did. It just spurred conjecture.
A report came out. People speculated on what if. It doesn't mean anyone is any smarter then anyone else. This is a message board. To dismiss the report is obtuse. To consider it fact is just the same. Why people would begin attacking one another over this is beyond me. None of us know ****.
Was this ever conclusively shown? I always thought that was speculation as well.We all know O'Brien didn't like the fact that he wasn't included on the decision to acquire Brock.
There are people in here that have gone above and beyond defending Mcnair and Smith and feel that they have some sort of legacy to protect on their arguments. Some will never think that Texans management is dysfunctional.
To me, it never looked like Osweiler was forced on O'Brien.Was this ever conclusively shown? I always thought that was speculation as well.
I do not doubt that there are some disagreements between the two. That is fairly common with front offices in extremely competitive environments.
I'm wondering if this story is less about the disagreements, though, and more about O'Brien's personality. We saw it on Hard Knocks. The dude cusses like a sailor and throws F-bombs around like it's his favorite adjective.
It did not bother me at all (I tend to use 'colorful' language in allowable environments), but I would not doubt if it bothered Bob McNair, and maybe to some extent Rick Smith. I would imagine that that kind of gruff attitude and use of F-bombs is probably a regular thing when O'Brien gets heated, which is most likely where his mindset is in disagreements over players and strategy.
Then add that it was documented on Hard Knocks and became part of the well cultivated and manicured image of his franchise? I can't help but wonder...
Maybe he even got gruff in the boardroom. Can you imagine Bob McNair's attitude if O'Brien barked at Cal? Pure speculation on my part, of course, but I can't help but wonder if much of these rumors have to do with personality conflicts more than the actual disagreements themselves. And now that O'Brien is firmly entrenched with three winning seasons, two playoff appearances, and a playoff win, what can McNair really do when he's probably struggling with the issue himself? Letting O'Brien go undermines everything he's established as an owner. But, the dude has a potty mouth, and that can be upsetting to some delicate sensibilities.
Obviously, JMO, but I do think there is an actual reason why these rumors persists. We just don't get much to substantiate it, so we fill in the blanks.
Who are we talking about here? I know darn well those post are not directed at me. I was one of the first to call this organization dysfunctional.
And I guess that report about Bill never meeting with Brock was fake. Yall don't think that rubbed O'Brien the wrong way.
It doesn't take Rockets scientists to figure out a coach would be upset when a particular responsibility is taking from them. Especially when your moxie is that of a quarterback whisper or guru.
76 that man had no other choice but to be ok with Brock signing.
I'm glad BOB has shaken up the Texans org. About time
# Where nothing to traumatic happens/mediocrity happens.
I do not doubt that there are some disagreements between the two. That is fairly common with front offices in extremely competitive environments.
I'm wondering if this story is less about the disagreements, though, and more about O'Brien's personality. We saw it on Hard Knocks. The dude cusses like a sailor and throws F-bombs around like it's his favorite adjective.
It did not bother me at all (I tend to use 'colorful' language in allowable environments), but I would not doubt if it bothered Bob McNair, and maybe to some extent Rick Smith. I would imagine that that kind of gruff attitude and use of F-bombs is probably a regular thing when O'Brien gets heated, which is most likely where his mindset is in disagreements over players and strategy.
Then add that it was documented on Hard Knocks and became part of the well cultivated and manicured image of his franchise? I can't help but wonder...
Maybe he even got gruff in the boardroom. Can you imagine Bob McNair's attitude if O'Brien barked at Cal? Pure speculation on my part, of course, but I can't help but wonder if much of these rumors have to do with personality conflicts more than the actual disagreements themselves. And now that O'Brien is firmly entrenched with three winning seasons, two playoff appearances, and a playoff win, what can McNair really do when he's probably struggling with the issue himself? Letting O'Brien go undermines everything he's established as an owner. But, the dude has a potty mouth, and that can be upsetting to some delicate sensibilities.
Obviously, JMO, but I do think there is an actual reason why these rumors persists. We just don't get much to substantiate it, so we fill in the blanks.
You think BOB has shaken up the Texans organization?
Yes I do,
The Hardknocks thing was the beginning of the shakeup. Benching Os and starting Savage was something Ricky McNair's ego couldn't take. So Ricky went to the media. IMHO. Even if I'm wrong there's little doubt that BOB's win at all cost doesn't mesh with Bob/Cal/Ricky McNair's vanilla boardroom mgmt. style. So yes, BOB's style has shaken up things down on Kirby. About time, IMHO.
So, why isn't savage starting vs the Pats?
We all know O'Brien was heated when he told Mallett to stay home that one game and Rick quickly overruled him.
We all know O'Brien didn't like the fact that he wasn't included on the decision to acquire Brock. Plus he had no other choice put to name him the start right off the bat.
Those are known facts that we all should know about. Now I'm pretty sure there are others that we can only speculate on.
It doesn't take Rockets scientists to figure out a coach would be upset when a particular responsibility is taking from them. Especially when your moxie is that of a quarterback whisper or guru.
Yes I do,
The Hardknocks thing was the beginning of the shakeup. Benching Os and starting Savage was something Ricky McNair's ego couldn't take. So Ricky went to the media. IMHO. Even if I'm wrong there's little doubt that BOB's win at all cost doesn't mesh with Bob/Cal/Ricky McNair's vanilla boardroom mgmt. style. So yes, BOB's style has shaken up things down on Kirby. About time, IMHO.
The Texans is Bob McNair & Rick Smith. Bill O'Brien is trying to worm his way in. & it's not going to happen if he doesn't get on board.
Rick got rid of Yates & Keenum because O'b didn't want them. He had to bring them back in to save O'bs butt, twice. He brought in Weeden to save O'bs butt, but O'b decided to start Hoyer in the playoff game last season.
Rick Smith gave him Mallett & Savage, but instead of developing them, he went with Fitz & Hoyer. O'b was the one who said Savage is in the same group with Bridgewater, Bortles, & Carr. Well, Carr was the Raiders MVP this season & O'b has gotten squat out of Savage.
I don't think Smith gives a crap which QB O'b develops, as long as it's one of them.
So Rick goes out & gets Osweiler. & now, all of a sudden Savage is a HOFer in waiting.
If Osweiler doesn't blow our minds this coming Saturday (& it could have been Savage if that's what O'b wanted) then I expect change to happen. Another decision is going to be taken out of O'bs hands. Either he will get a QB coach/OC, or the Texans (Bob & Rick) will get one for him. & if he doesn't like it... buh-bye.
He wanted Jimmy G and little Ricky didn't get him.
We will see on this. Your right about Rick McNair, he's family and that's why BOB wants out. He wanted Jimmy G and little Ricky didn't get him. Good news is since the Jimmy G thing happened, have you noticed that little Ricky has traded up to get the players he wants? McKinney/Strong/Martin/Reader etc... maybe little Ricky is learning how to do his job after a decade of doing that job.
Little Ricky may actually become a top GM with another decade of learning.
I think this FO collectively decided on Osweiler based on a public mandate made by the CEO that they needed a QB.
I still don't fault them for swinging, even if it ended being a giant miss.
The only problem is next year's situation with a very overpriced backup QB that no other team will touch. It really limits the options.
Maybe it's O'Brien's gruff attitude, or maybe it's a deeper power play that we are seeing signs of with these rumors. Who really knows? Not us, not the press, but only those men in the boardroom, and they aren't going public with it.
I do think O'Brien and Smith will be here next season. I'm just hoping this is not a sign of dysfunction that turns into a Colts situation between GM & HC that melts down the team chemistry on the field.
The speculation, rumor mongering, hyperbole and wild ass guesses are huge in this thread
I always figure the forum is just like a bunch of friends at a bar or living room shootin' the shit. Not many folks claim absolutes about these things, but rather just talking about something that we all share in caring about as fans.
If I didn't have this place to shoot the shit about the Texans, I wouldn't have any place for it.
He wanted Jimmy G and little Ricky didn't get him.
Well, Marrone is an offensive coach, and one of the first things Rex Ryan did when he took over for him was to fire Jim Schwartz as DC after his first (and obviously only) year there. Buffalo's defense went from top 5 (both yardage and scoring) the season before Rex took over to middle of the pack at best (both yardage and scoring) during Rex's two years there.
Buffalo didn't have a choice because Marrone had a clause in his contract that said he could walk if ownership changed. It changed, and he walked. I don't think the franchise was better off for it regardless of whatever challenges may have existed with Marrone as their coach. Quite the opposite (IMO).
For the record, I also think it's a pretty decent hire for the Jags. I think it's very realistic that over the next 2-3 years they're a bigger threat to the Texans than the Titans will be.
i think it'll work out where BoB gets what he wants and Ricky is "transitioned" to a role where he'll have less impact on day to day things with the team. Hell for all we know, Bob McNair who will be 81 this year and has faced down cancer twice, may be ready to move into move into retirement mode with whatever is left of his life. Dude might be ready to turns over ownership of all the day to day crap to Cal McNair....& rick moves into Cal's position...which this will obviously create a ripple effect of everyone underneath.
I always figure the forum is just like a bunch of friends at a bar or living room shootin' the shit. Not many folks claim absolutes about these things, but rather just talking about something that we all share in caring about as fans. If I didn't have this place to shoot the shit about the Texans, I wouldn't have any place for it.
I always figure the forum is just like a bunch of friends at a bar or living room shootin' the shit. Not many folks claim absolutes about these things, but rather just talking about something that we all share in caring about as fans.
If I didn't have this place to shoot the shit about the Texans, I wouldn't have any place for it.
Exactly! Which is why I don't get the animosity that exists between certain members here - just sitting around waiting to attack the "enemy," correct their spelling mistakes and punctuation, make fun of them, and act all douchey and smart-ass.
Of course, being around for only a couple years here, I don't know the history that caused this. I think all too often the bad blood in the no spin zone spills over into TexansTalk. Oh well, it is what it is.
DoubleBarrel, thanks for a great post. I appreciate you being a member here. My "real life" friends and co-workers aren't into sports, so TexansTalk is my place to listen to (read) football talk. And you know what, thanks to everyone who is a member here that talks Texans football.
Just my opinion, but the childish Rick McNair and Little Ricky references in your posts really takes away from any valid points you make.
You hate Rick Smith. We get that, but it still doesn't make any of your speculation true.
I'm pretty sure O'Brien didn't want anything to do with Garoppolo, or any QB he'd have to develop.
Most likely he had his eye on clipboard Jesus, or Chad Henne. Probably pissed him off that Hasslebeck retired.
It's been rumored by more than one reporter.
We will never know.
If the Texans get blown out on Saturday, what are the chances McNair changes his mind and fires BOB iyo? Better than 50-50. IMHO
One minute we want a GM to be the man. Make personnel decisions & hold the HC accountable. On the other hand, we don't.
Picking a teams QB is not a responsibility taken away from the HC, it was never his to begin with.
It's been rumored by more than one reporter.
We will never know.
If the Texans get blown out on Saturday, what are the chances McNair changes his mind and fires BOB iyo? Better than 50-50. IMHO
If we get blown out, I expect O'b & Godsey to commit seppuku right there in the middle of Gillette. Before Brady takes that last knee, I want O'b on his knees, sword drawn ready...
Not really. I think McNair is going to sit down with Rick, Cal, & O'Brien assess where this team "really" is & figure out how they can make it better. If O'b is intent on over stepping his position & starts drawing lines in the sand, Bob's going to do what Bob's needs to do.
Absolutely agree... but sometimes we need to remind ourselves that we are nothing but a bunch of fans shooting the **** and none of us really has a clue
I think godsey is already a gonner. .
Didn't O'Brien take over play calling duty after the Pats game?Even with a blow out loss, they made it to the divisional game. No way that McNair fires O'Brien. I do see Godsey getting shown the door in this situation, against O'Brien's wishes, while they get in a real OC instead of what has basically been a glorified grad assistant/intern.