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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

I think it's obvious several people held their tongue at the time of the signing. Not scooter, I think he said what he said.

But after an unimpressive outing in our first preseason they feel they were right & finally voiced their true opinion.

That's cool. I get it.

Truth is there is evidence to back up either opinion. Brock may be sliced bread. He may very well be chopped liver.

It's up to O'b to get the best out of him. So I guess he's more like moldable clay.
 
I think it's obvious several people held their tongue at the time of the signing. Not scooter, I think he said what he said.

But after an unimpressive outing in our first preseason they feel they were right & finally voiced their true opinion.

That's cool. I get it.

Truth is there is evidence to back up either opinion. Brock may be sliced bread. He may very well be chopped liver.

It's up to O'b to get the best out of him. So I guess he's more like moldable clay.

I'm not here for an 'I told you so', I've been around too long - I've been wrong and right too many times to keep track of how crow is supposed to be served. My post was asking the randoms to stop making excuses like Brock was some kind of 21 year old rookie. He needs to be judged according to his age, experience and coaching history. Which, at this point is lacking.

He only has 1 season under Kubiak's system (which is beneficial since we still run more than a few of his plays), the rest have been a wide open quarterback controlled spread - which is what is happening here. Brock isn't some wide eyed teenager that we're molding, we paid him an ass ton of money because of his experience with the greatest teachers in the game. If he was having timing issues that would be acceptable as preseason adjustments to new players. Read issues are not acceptable, but for me are not a surprise. That's also where I feel the discussion should be - on his advanced pros and cons, instead of random excuses and 'he's new' nonsense.
 
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I'm not here for an 'I told you so', I've been around too long - I've been wrong and right too many times to keep track of how crow is supposed to be served.

I definitely don't think you're in the "I told you so" crowd. Sorry if I gave that impression.

My post was asking the randoms to stop making excuses like Brock was some kind of 21 year old rookie. He needs to be judged according to his age, experience and coaching history. Which, at this point is lacking.

He only has 1 season under Kubiak's system (which is beneficial since we still run more than a few of his plays), the rest have been a wide open quarterback controlled spread - which is what is happening here. Brock isn't some wide eyed teenager that we're molding, we paid him an ass ton of money because of his experience with the greatest teachers in the game. If he was having timing issues that would be acceptable as preseason adjustments to new players. Read issues are not acceptable, but for me are not a surprise. That's also where I feel the discussion should be - on his advanced pros and cons, instead of random excuses and 'he's new' nonsense.

What did you think of Tyrod Taylor after his first preseason game?

What did you think of Aaron Rodgers after his first preseason game post Favre?

Osweiler threw the ball seven times in three series.... In a game where the coach is stressing the basics of getting in & out of the huddle.
 
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I didn't like the signing from the get-go (heck I didn't like him as a draft choice, all 'really tall with a decent arm - and no quarterback), and I think I've done well to bite my tongue since the first few rants. What I'm growing very tired of is his 'it's only camp, it's only preseason, he'll need time to adjust' treatment. Brock is NOT a rookie. He's in his 5th season in the NFL. He spent the last 4 seasons behind Peyton Manning (2x Superbowl Champ QB). He lived with and was tutored by John Elway (2x Superbowl Champ QB, 1x Superbowl Champ Executive). He was benched on a Superbowl run under Gary Kubiak (4x Superbowl Champ coach). He should be getting the Aaron Rodgers treatment during preseason with all of that, not being blasted by every outlet for looking like ... well, looking like Brock Osweiler over the past 5 seasons.

I'll now go back to being quiet so that he can prove how awesome he'll be for my team.

The job was still Peyton Manning's. So of course he was going to get benched.

Brock was not going to start in the playoffs anyways.
 
I'm not here for an 'I told you so', I've been around too long - I've been wrong and right too many times to keep track of how crow is supposed to be served. My post was asking the randoms to stop making excuses like Brock was some kind of 21 year old rookie. He needs to be judged according to his age, experience and coaching history. Which, at this point is lacking.

He only has 1 season under Kubiak's system (which is beneficial since we still run more than a few of his plays), the rest have been a wide open quarterback controlled spread - which is what is happening here. Brock isn't some wide eyed teenager that we're molding, we paid him an ass ton of money because of his experience with the greatest teachers in the game. If he was having timing issues that would be acceptable as preseason adjustments to new players. Read issues are not acceptable, but for me are not a surprise. That's also where I feel the discussion should be - on his advanced pros and cons, instead of random excuses and 'he's new' nonsense.

But you can not make a solid evaluation after only 7 passes. Especially when we all knew they weren't going to run regular season type plays. Not only that, Hopkins targeted, what one freaking time. No screen plays or plays across the middle.

And I don't think anyone is trying to come up with any type of excuse. There wasn't enough data to formulate one anyways. Lol

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I'm not here for an 'I told you so', I've been around too long - I've been wrong and right too many times to keep track of how crow is supposed to be served. My post was asking the randoms to stop making excuses like Brock was some kind of 21 year old rookie. He needs to be judged according to his age, experience and coaching history. Which, at this point is lacking.

He only has 1 season under Kubiak's system (which is beneficial since we still run more than a few of his plays), the rest have been a wide open quarterback controlled spread - which is what is happening here. Brock isn't some wide eyed teenager that we're molding, we paid him an ass ton of money because of his experience with the greatest teachers in the game. If he was having timing issues that would be acceptable as preseason adjustments to new players. Read issues are not acceptable, but for me are not a surprise. That's also where I feel the discussion should be - on his advanced pros and cons, instead of random excuses and 'he's new' nonsense.

Brock did spot duty in a handful of blowout games and had 30 pass attempts in 3+ seasons before starting 7 games last season. You seem to think that standing on the sideline and watching Peyton take 99% of the snaps over 60-ish games was supposed to somehow translate into real game experience of a 4 year veteran. I know that you didn't and don't like the acquisition, but your expectations of a "4-year veteran" QB, or your application of that expectation onto Brock, is simply an output of your bias. I can't think of any pundit/talking head who is judging him as anything other than a backup who is getting his chance to prove himself, whereas you are judging him based on being fully competent in the job Day 1 of training camp. Based on salary, which is in the bottom half of QB's. And sitting behind Manning, who is an notorious as Brady when it comes to mentoring/developing their backups. And being BFF's with Elway' son. And coached by Kubiak, who won all his SB's with HOFers Elway or Manning as the QB.
 
Brock did spot duty in a handful of blowout games and had 30 pass attempts in 3+ seasons before starting 7 games last season. You seem to think that standing on the sideline and watching Peyton take 99% of the snaps over 60-ish games was supposed to somehow translate into real game experience of a 4 year veteran. I know that you didn't and don't like the acquisition, but your expectations of a "4-year veteran" QB, or your application of that expectation onto Brock, is simply an output of your bias. I can't think of any pundit/talking head who is judging him as anything other than a backup who is getting his chance to prove himself, whereas you are judging him based on being fully competent in the job Day 1 of training camp. Based on salary, which is in the bottom half of QB's. And sitting behind Manning, who is an notorious as Brady when it comes to mentoring/developing their backups. And being BFF's with Elway' son. And coached by Kubiak, who won all his SB's with HOFers Elway or Manning as the QB.

So you're saying we're idiots for signing this nobody who sat in limbo for 3 years, not being mentored or trained, who was benched for obviously not being in the realm of (leading the league in INT's Peyton Manning), to be our starting quarterback? Who's 37mil guaranteed is top 10 among QB's. It seems I'm just not going to win this argument and need to bow out.
 
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I made a solid evaluation after 680 passes at AZ State and 305 attempts in Denver, and compared them with his throws here. YOU are assuming 7 passes do any defining of his performance. I'm just charting a trend.

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So you're saying we're idiots for signing this nobody who sat in limbo for 3 years, who was benched for obviously not being in the realm of (leading the league in INT's Peyton Manning), to be our starting quarterback? Who's 37mil guaranteed is top 10 among QB's. It seems I'm just not going to win this argument and need to bow out.

Are we really hanging our hard hats on the benching for a Hall of famer? Who was the actual starting quarterback from the get go. Who we all should know was going be the starter in the playoffs.

Sounds like you're nitpicking with that particular stance. Oh he was benched. Bwhahaha
 
Are we really hanging our hard hats on the benching for a Hall of famer?

Not intentionally, but are you really sure you want to go there? All Brock had to do was not suck. Just don't be complete ass and you can ride this defense to the Superbowl. Do you remember what happened? Do you remember why Peyton wasn't simply carried into the sunset with an injury?
 
How boring it would be if we all agreed on most everything.
 
I'm not here to ***** and moan.
I do this analysis stuff with all QBs the Texans ever had; most times I just don't post the analysis.
I've talked about how Fitz is just Fitz when he was first signed; how I saw Yates as a backup type of QB; how Keenum is the one with a slight chance to be an NFL QB if he learns to play as smart as Brees; how Savage was also of the "slow-to-progress-in-his-read" type; how Mallett lacked the brain despite his arm talent; how Hoyer was the lesser of the two evils.

I've made the assertion (against Texecutioner's thinking) that Newton was definitely going to be the no. 1 pick - after I had analyzed some ten of his game tapes.

And so on.

It's what I enjoy doing.
And I state what I observed.

When people cited the fact as Mallett had a "good game" against the Browns to make their case during TC the following year, I said it was fool gold and it wasn't all that good to begin with.

People didn't have any problem tearing Hoyer apart for the time he was with the Browns; how Keenum was "0-8".
Fair or not; those things happen.
If Keenum was playing for the Texans in PS 2014; I would analyze his plays just the same. I'm not going to make excuse that he only had limited playing time and he's under a new system and a new coach.

I did analyze Mallett even in PS 2015 and stated my observations.
I didn't hang him; I simply said I don't believe he makes a good NFL QB because he doesn't have enough brain (and that encompasses all the mental part of the game.) If you don't like to read what I wrote, fine. I had no problem with that. =:)
 
It was also crappy uninspired offense, topped by 3 turnovers by Osweiler.

He wasn't benched for playing bad, and the interceptions weren't his fault IIRC. He hit his receivers in the hands on one of them (at least one). The entire team was playing bad and Manning brought in hoping to ignite a spark, which he did
 
Not intentionally, but are you really sure you want to go there? All Brock had to do was not suck. Just don't be complete ass and you can ride this defense to the Superbowl. Do you remember what happened? Do you remember why Peyton wasn't simply carried into the sunset with an injury?

Again it was just the first preseason game in which was ultra vanilla. The play calling was very suspect. Our offense line is missing three starters.

Why wasn't Peyton carried off into the sunset?

I'm pretty sure you know the exact reason. Lol
 
It was also crappy uninspired offense, topped by 3 turnovers by Osweiler.

How many drops did D. Thomas had in that game alone? One of those drops passes resulted into a interceptions. Hmm but that is solely on Brock

On one of those turnovers the tackle got beat so bad. But we will not hold the tackle accountable huh?
 
I think that Mr. Brock is gonna do just fine. He just always needs to remember to drink some high quality H2O before every game.
 
So you're saying we're idiots for signing this nobody who sat in limbo for 3 years, not being mentored or trained, who was benched for obviously not being in the realm of (leading the league in INT's Peyton Manning), to be our starting quarterback? Who's 37mil guaranteed is top 10 among QB's. It seems I'm just not going to win this argument and need to bow out.

It is no different risk than drafting a QB at the top of the draft. The Texans are idiots for signing him only if he doesn't work out. Pretty much the same expectation one would have of a draft pick.

No one said he wasn't getting trained or mentored. You seem to have a different expectation of what a career backup that gets a chance to start for half a season after barely playing for 3+ years after being drafted (then gets sent back to the bench because the starter, with a reputation for never coming out of games, was literally begging Kubiak on the sideline to be put back in) should possess in terms of real game experience and command of a new offense, on a new team, with new teammates.

And that is cool. We are all allowed our own opinions on the matter. You presented yours. I disagreed and presented mine. Neither of us made it personal. I thought this is what message boards were all about...
 
Not intentionally, but are you really sure you want to go there? All Brock had to do was not suck. Just don't be complete ass and you can ride this defense to the Superbowl. Do you remember what happened? Do you remember why Peyton wasn't simply carried into the sunset with an injury?

Yes, I remember Oz was benched after CJ Anderson fumbled the ball. Oz actually wasn't playing bad that game there was just a few fumbles that stopped the offense. Kubes appeared to have been looking for any reason to go back to Manning.
 
I definitely don't think you're in the "I told you so" crowd. Sorry if I gave that impression.



What did you think of Tyrod Taylor after his first preseason game?

What did you think of Aaron Rodgers after his first preseason game post Favre?

Osweiler threw the ball seven times in three series.... In a game where the coach is stressing the basics of getting in & out of the huddle.

Tyrod Taylor? Why would you bring him up? Who would remember anything about Tyrod Taylor's first pre-season game unless they were his MaMa. anyway....

In his 1st pre-season start against the Atlanta Falcons, Tyrod Taylor left with a shoulder injury. Early tests revealed no separation and the rookie's injury was characterized as a contusion.

If memory serves me correctly. My initial thought of Tyrod Taylor after his first preseason game was... :drunk:

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TYROD TAYLOR????????? :hankpalm:
 
Yes, I remember Oz was benched after CJ Anderson fumbled the ball. Oz actually wasn't playing bad that game there was just a few fumbles that stopped the offense. Kubes appeared to have been looking for any reason to go back to Manning.

The Broncos were actually leading 7-6 when CJ fumbled. They lost the lead on the next SD drive. Then Manning came in and proceeded to hand the ball off to Anderson and Hillman for the rest of the game. And somehow the narrative became Brock was benched for sucking and Manning played hero ball in a come from behind win. In 6 possessions he made 9 pass attempts.
 
Yes, I remember Oz was benched after CJ Anderson fumbled the ball. Oz actually wasn't playing bad that game there was just a few fumbles that stopped the offense. Kubes appeared to have been looking for any reason to go back to Manning.
Two things, IMO:

1. Kubiak already planned to give Manning some time to clear his cobbweb before the playoffs, so to speak.
The Broncos being behind might have influenced the timing of his entering the game.

2. Yes there were two fumbles that wasn't his fault, but Osweiler wasn't much good either, if you asked me.
He failed to account for the blind side blitz, resulting in his fumbling the ball, giving up at least 3 points as the Broncos were already in FG range.
His fixation on the receiver contributed to the INT on which the ball bounced off the receiver's hands. The DB that was following another receiver across the field was able to read his eyes and got off his man to scoop up the ball in the air. (So yes, Osweiler didn't help himself on that play by staring at his receiver.)
 
The Broncos were actually leading 7-6 when CJ fumbled. They lost the lead on the next SD drive. Then Manning came in and proceeded to hand the ball off to Anderson and Hillman for the rest of the game. And somehow the narrative became Brock was benched for sucking and Manning played hero ball in a come from behind win. In 6 possessions he made 9 pass attempts.

Man, the truth sure screws up a great narrative.
 
Two things, IMO:

1. Kubiak already planned to give Manning some time to clear his cobbweb before the playoffs, so to speak.
The Broncos being behind might have influenced the timing of his entering the game.

2. Yes there were two fumbles that wasn't his fault, but Osweiler wasn't much good either, if you asked me.
He failed to account for the blind side blitz, resulting in his fumbling the ball, giving up at least 3 points as the Broncos were already in FG range.
His fixation on the receiver contributed to the INT on which the ball bounced off the receiver's hands. The DB that was following another receiver across the field was able to read his eyes and got off his man to scoop up the ball in the air. (So yes, Osweiler didn't help himself on that play by staring at his receiver.)


1. You do realize that Schofield was one of the worst RT in the NFL according to PFF and naturally he got beat like a drum on this play.
2. Did the ball hit the WR squarely in the hands. Bottom line Thomas caused that int. When a ball hits a professional WR in the hands is it too much to ask him to catch the ball? Apparently for Thomas and you the answer is YES.
 
Two things, IMO:

1. Kubiak already planned to give Manning some time to clear his cobbweb before the playoffs, so to speak.
The Broncos being behind might have influenced the timing of his entering the game.

2. Yes there were two fumbles that wasn't his fault, but Osweiler wasn't much good either, if you asked me.
He failed to account for the blind side blitz, resulting in his fumbling the ball, giving up at least 3 points as the Broncos were already in FG range.
His fixation on the receiver contributed to the INT on which the ball bounced off the receiver's hands. The DB that was following another receiver across the field was able to read his eyes and got off his man to scoop up the ball in the air. (So yes, Osweiler didn't help himself on that play by staring at his receiver.)


1. You do realize that Schofield was one of the worst RT in the NFL according to PFF and naturally he got beat like a drum on this play.
2. Did the ball hit the WR squarely in the hands. Bottom line Thomas caused that int. When a ball hits a professional WR in the hands is it too much to ask him to catch the ball? Apparently for Thomas and you the answer is YES.
 
Don't mind Scooter, he is more of a Gary Kubiak and Wade fan than he was a Texan fan .


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If that is the case then I'm with Scooter on this one. What the Texans needed at that time was a new QB and not a new coaching staff. McNair said Keenum was the answer and Kubiak said Keenum is not what we need, so Kubiak got a ticket to Denver via Baltimore.
 
If that is the case then I'm with Scooter on this one. What the Texans needed at that time was a new QB and not a new coaching staff. McNair said Keenum was the answer and Kubiak said Keenum is not what we need, so Kubiak got a ticket to Denver via Baltimore.

I just didn't like the way Kubiak went into a shell in the 2nd half of games. I'm more of a Belichick go for the throat kinda guy.

To each their own.
 
1. You do realize that Schofield was one of the worst RT in the NFL according to PFF and naturally he got beat like a drum on this play.
2. Did the ball hit the WR squarely in the hands. Bottom line Thomas caused that int. When a ball hits a professional WR in the hands is it too much to ask him to catch the ball? Apparently for Thomas and you the answer is YES.

Some fans only hold players accountable when they are fixated with their point of view. Right now they are trying to paint the picture of the benching of said player in questioning (Brock). Apparently they didn't like the signing so it's their job to make their point stick.

Lol
 
Yes, I remember Oz was benched after CJ Anderson fumbled the ball. Oz actually wasn't playing bad that game there was just a few fumbles that stopped the offense. Kubes appeared to have been looking for any reason to go back to Manning.

I've been hanging on OrangeMane & some of the fans there call Brock the check down king, citing multiple occasions he threw the ball short of the sticks on 3rd down. That's something many of us complained about against the 49ers.

They also say he holds the ball too long... & their offense was stagnant in the 2nd half. Maybe a Kubiak thing, they're blaming Osweiler. However, if they struggled to score in the 3rd qtr I can see it leading to the decision to bench him in favor of Manning.

As far as turnovers, Osweiler was involved in three. A pass hit a third or 4th WR in the hands, he knocked it up, it was intercepted. He got drilled in the back as he was getting ready to throw & fumbled the ball. Then his arm was hit as he was throwing which led to another interception.
 
I've been hanging on OrangeMane & some of the fans there call Brock the check down king, citing multiple occasions he threw the ball short of the sticks on 3rd down. That's something many of us complained about against the 49ers.

They also say he holds the ball too long... & their offense was stagnant in the 2nd half. Maybe a Kubiak thing, they're blaming Osweiler. However, if they struggled to score in the 3rd qtr I can see it leading to the decision to bench him in favor of Manning.

As far as turnovers, Osweiler was involved in three. A pass hit a third or 4th WR in the hands, he knocked it up, it was intercepted. He got drilled in the back as he was getting ready to throw & fumbled the ball. Then his arm was hit as he was throwing which led to another interception.
Another criticism of Brock at the time of his signing with the Texans was that he only saw and played to one side or half of the field.
 
I've been hanging on OrangeMane & some of the fans there call Brock the check down king, citing multiple occasions he threw the ball short of the sticks on 3rd down. That's something many of us complained about against the 49ers.

They also say he holds the ball too long... & their offense was stagnant in the 2nd half. Maybe a Kubiak thing, they're blaming Osweiler. However, if they struggled to score in the 3rd qtr I can see it leading to the decision to bench him in favor of Manning.

As far as turnovers, Osweiler was involved in three. A pass hit a third or 4th WR in the hands, he knocked it up, it was intercepted. He got drilled in the back as he was getting ready to throw & fumbled the ball. Then his arm was hit as he was throwing which led to another interception.
Denvers' offensive line was one of the worst in the league last year. Even Manning became a check down king. Lol had to hurry up and get rid of it. Maybe that's why Brock was checking it down a lot in that particular game. Shoots he was getting drilled a lot when he was in. Manning came in and they ran the ball at least 85%. Lol
 
OK, I might have some typos here as I'm doing a quick recap of the game against the lowly Chargers.

MEDIOCRITY was what I saw.
And like I said, I'm freaking tired of Mediocrity.

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vs. Chargers


First drive.

5-yard pass to D. Thomas, who made 2 guys missed and turned the play into a 72-yd TD.
It was a good play by Osweiler, but most of the credit ought to go to Thomas who got separation with a good move and then all the extras after the catch.

Second drive.
Sanders gained an extra 30 yards before having the ball taken away from him by a defender.
NOT Osweiler's fault.

Third drive.
The first INT.
This is the play where I said Osweiler didn't help himself.
The Chargers only rush 3; he had plenty of time.
The Broncos were in empty shotgun on 3rd and 1.
With the 2 wide outs running deep sideline routes; the Broncos had the other 3 receivers in bunch formation in the left slot.
All 3 ran their routes across the field.
Osweiler could wait a bit longer for the first two to clear the area; he could have done better keeping an eye on those two receivers to "freeze" the other defenders.
He didn't help himself there.
The DB who was following another receiver across the field saw the play the whole time and came back for the INT.

Fourth drive.
With the ball at the Chargers 21, on 2nd and 11, Osweiler fumbled the ball.
Severe lack of awareness.
Broncos had a wideout on the far left side.
Chargers originally had nobody on him; they finally sent a LB out there.
Osweiler never saw that.
Who remembers the play on which the Texans allowed a free TD in a similar situation a couple of years ago?
A quick call for a snap and that would have been an easy TD right there.
Even with the LB finally making it out there, wouldn't you want your QB to go with the wide-out on such a situation.
But Osweiler never saw that.
And that was also why he never saw the free blitzer.
Sack.
Fumble.
Scoring chance gone.
He was lucky it was a DE that recovered the fumble.
An OLB would have taken that in for a score.
There was nothing but green grass back there.

Fifth drive.
2nd and 10
Screen pass losing 4 yards.
It's difficult to describe it here.
I contend that Osweiler also had the option to go with the crosser just ahead of the screen pass.
He had to check the LB who was right ahead of him (the guy that's on the RB) and the D-lineman that his O-lineman peeled off from to make the block downfield.
With those two guys converging, his RB had zero chance.
The guy with the big chance was the crosser (as the LB left his area in the middle to come up on the RB).
All this was developing right in front of him.
That was at best "mediocre" QB play (poor recognition).
That could have been an easy completion on the crossing route, but instead it was a 4-yd loss and 3rd and 14.
3rd and 15.
With plenty of time, Osweiler went with a dump-off that went nowhere.
He had a receiver further downfield (in his eyesights) that ran a fade route past the marker.
But, OK, let's go to a dump-off just to be safe.

Sixth drive.
2nd INT
NOT his fault as the RT was beaten in just over 2 secs.
However, his long wind-up (a la old Schaub) - that starts below chest level with the ball way out there for the taking - definitely was a good reason why the rusher was able to have a hand on the ball.
If he had started his throwing motion in the classic sense, that would have been a long completion instead of an INT.
That's not his fault, but it's his draw-back. It hinders him.

Seventh drive.
2nd and 12
With the Chargers rushing 3, Osweiler ran right into the teeth of the rush; he managed to dump the ball off for 2.
But he could have just stayed put and get the pass out to OD or the receiver on the other side for at least 5 yards.
He had choices on either side, but because he took off up the middle, he took away his own options.
(Lack of vision and mentality.)
3rd and 12
Delayed 5-man blitz with the safety coming all the way from 10 yards deep.
You know a dump-off or a throw-away ball is coming.
Most optimistic description of this scenario is MEDIOCRITY.

Eight drive
Another delayed blitz. Another ball thrown away.
Osweiler had no idea what the defense was doing.
He was reacting to it rather than picking it apart.
On the next play, he didn't see a wide-open man further downfield (again on the same line of sight); he settled for the shorter throw.

MEDIOCRITY AT BEST. ;)
 
Tyrod Taylor? Why would you bring him up? Who would remember anything about Tyrod Taylor's first pre-season game unless they were his MaMa. anyway....

In his 1st pre-season start against the Atlanta Falcons, Tyrod Taylor left with a shoulder injury. Early tests revealed no separation and the rookie's injury was characterized as a contusion.

If memory serves me correctly. My initial thought of Tyrod Taylor after his first preseason game was... :drunk:

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TYROD TAYLOR????????? :hankpalm:
so you are his MaMa? :tiptoe:
 
OK, I might have some typos here as I'm doing a quick recap of the game against the lowly Chargers.

MEDIOCRITY was what I saw.
And like I said, I'm freaking tired of Mediocrity.

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MEDIOCRITY AT BEST. ;)

I get what you are saying. Would you expect better out of a rookie?
 
I get what you are saying. Would you expect better out of a rookie?
Yes.
I always want a smart QB first (like Double Barrel was mentioning Montana).

I liked Wilson because he was smart.
(The facts that he played in the WCO at NC State before transferring to Wisconsin where he played in a pro offense - and played well in both scheme - were bonuses.)
But he avoids sacks and looks to throw when he moves.

Did you see Mariota pre-season game?
He was running to the sideline, but he was smart enough to bait the DB to come up and flip the ball to his guy.
That's the type of QB play I like.
You play with more guys than the defense has on a particular play, you have a better chance of winning.
Basketball is also similar.
 
For me, it's not about what Osweiler is. Never was. It's about what O'b thinks he can do with him.

The money says they think they can make him a franchise QB.

The structure of that contract says they think they can do it inside of two years.

Those three possessions in the preseasons, just shows me O'b has his work cut out.
 
Yes.
I always want a smart QB first (like Double Barrel was mentioning Montana).

I liked Wilson because he was smart.
(The facts that he played in the WCO at NC State before transferring to Wisconsin where he played in a pro offense - and played well in both scheme - were bonuses.)
But he avoids sacks and looks to throw when he moves.

Did you see Mariota pre-season game?
He was running to the sideline, but he was smart enough to bait the DB to come up and flip the ball to his guy.
That's the type of QB play I like.
You play with more guys than the defense has on a particular play, you have a better chance of winning.
Basketball is also similar.

So are you saying Osweiler is stupid?
 
So are you saying Osweiler is stupid?
Haha, NO.

Just not having football IQ anywhere near the level of the other top players.
And that's mediocrity... which you have to overcome by having good players around him.
But normally, it's better if you have more money to acquire those players.

That was why I didn't like the re-upping of Schaub.
And so I don't like the acquisition of Osweiler either.
 
For me, it's not about what Osweiler is. Never was. It's about what O'b thinks he can do with him.

The money says they think they can make him a franchise QB.

The structure of that contract says they think they can do it inside of two years.

Those three possessions in the preseasons, just shows me O'b has his work cut out.
OB's records aren't stellar any mean.

That doesn't help my confidence any. ;)
 
Haha, NO.

Just not having football IQ anywhere near the level of the other top players.
And that's mediocrity... which you have to overcome by having good players around him.
But normally, it's better if you have more money to acquire those players.

That was why I didn't like the re-upping of Schaub.
And so I don't like the acquisition of Osweiler either.


Ok, I can understand that. Was there a better option available this past offseason?
 
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