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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Since we are nitpicking at Brock's play, did any of you seen Rodgers, Wilson, and Winston play?
None of these more 16 or more game starters played well in their 1st preseason game. Lol even RG3 turned the ball over twice already.
Bwhahaha
None of these more 16 or more game starters played well in their 1st preseason game. Lol even RG3 turned the ball over twice already.
Bwhahaha
Texansballer74
The Marine
Hey, somebody has to stir up the pot.
This forum has been dead for quite a while now.
Stir up the pot after a very vanilla type preseason game. Lol at least charge up the coaches for dilevering us a vanilla type game plan.
I don't put emphasis on statistical data; always said those have to be taken within certain contest.
How did O'Brien and the Texans come to the conclusion to take Osweiler?
Same thing, more or less. They believe they saw enough of the improvements.
I just happen to disagree.
But I must stress; I simply don't want to watch more mediocrity.
Many of us used to say OK, just let Schaub be Schaub.
We have a good running game and a good defense.
On the other hand, I recall that others would rather not have Schaub at all.
I never disagreed with them totally.
I just asked them to come up with alternatives; not right away, but after awhile.
I had alternatives from time to time.
It wasn't me to get the Texans into this QB mess; it's not fair to ask me for an alternative every year.
If the Texans had drafted Dalton (I had suggested that in 2011) though this was just an upgrade over Schaub (IMO).
If the Texans had gone with Wilson/Cousins/Keenum (2 of the 3) in 2012.
I wasn't against Bridgewater or Garropolo (I like them better as prospects than Osweiler or Foles) in 2014, but people in the draft forum knew I prefer to at least try to trade away the No. 1 overall pick that year to get as many future picks as possible for a chance at Mariotta in 2015.
If not possible, than keep stockpiling; perhaps they can get Goff or Wentz in 2016.
I wasn't against signing Peyton Manning back then either.
Who knows if a certain plan would work; they couldn't get any worse than what the Texans have been fiddling with, could they?
I've already fired them all last season.
and it's a heck of a lot better to be talking football than burning time in the politico threadsHey, somebody has to stir up the pot.
This forum has been dead for quite a while now.
Speaking of the O-line, has anyone heard when Newton and Brown will be back? I don't like them being out so long. It doesn't help the continuity of the O-line/Offense at all, especially with all the new pieces on the Offense. With Brown on the Preseason PUP list he may not see any game action at all until the 1st Regular Season Game! That's not a good time to knock the "rust" off! Until Brown, Newton, and Martin all come back, and play some games together, I think this O-line will be turmoil like it was at the beginning of last season.
Redtexans
Waterboy
the first part of this video backs up your opinions.....
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-video...n-Good+Morning+Football-sf33469609-sf33469609
..and I've already stated that after watching him in practice I was disappointed in his accuracy and ball placement....
you could have warned us it was Casserly
Redtexans
Waterboy
that would have spoiled the fun...you could have warned us it was Casserly
Hey, somebody has to stir up the pot.
This forum has been dead for quite a while now.
It's good to talk football, man!
I cannot say with any degree of certainty if you are wrong or right with your initial impressions, but I do hope you are wrong as hell. Like you, I am tired of QB mediocrity. And looking at all my years as a Houston pro football fan, this city has really only had one great QB. The rest have been either over-the-hill, average, or just plain bad.
It's good to talk football, man!
I cannot say with any degree of certainty if you are wrong or right with your initial impressions, but I do hope you are wrong as hell. Like you, I am tired of QB mediocrity. And looking at all my years as a Houston pro football fan, this city has really only had one great QB. The rest have been either over-the-hill, average, or just plain bad.
Blanda was great at QB too?
I've already given him a pass on that one; it's still too early.
Even though we can always talk about it just for fun... or to rile up more people, haha.
But, but... Blanda threw 5 interceptions in a playoff game, not just once, but twice.Blanda was great at QB too?
You don't see me in there, do ya' ?and it's a heck of a lot better to be talking football than burning time in the politico threads
From what I remember, "everybody" was impressed with the way Brock Osweiler played in his first 7 starts.
Until we paid him $18M/yr.
I'm just saying.
Until we paid him $18M/yr.
I'm just saying.
Blanda was great at QB too?
Blanda crossed my mind, but c'mon, dude left the Oilers the year I was born! (and *cough*AFL*cough*) My personal reference starts with Luv Ya Blue. Pastorini and Stabler were average and over-the-hill. It was 34 and a great defense that made those teams good.
Moon is it. Unless I'm completely forgetting someone (and Steve McNair doesn't count, all things considered), then that leaves Matt Schaub as the second best QB in the modern-DoubleBarrel-era.
Exactly. If he screws up on or after 9-11 then OK let him have it, but he's now in training and learning OBriens offense. Everybody been complaining for several years about no real effort to get a QB. Now that we have one, lets wait until the RS starts when the games really mean something.
Now, I'm pretty sure there was at least one thing O'Brien didn't like.
In this little chat, he talked about how they really want to work with Osweiler to get rid of the ball.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/08/12/nfl-houston-texans-brock-osweiler-bill-obrien
Well Osweiler should catch some flak on that sack in the game.
I don't care if the snap was a little high; in fact, that should raise the QB's awareness a little higher.
Also, Osweiler needs to know that even though he had 3 men to block 2 rushers on his left; he only had two on his blind side (on the right).
(Especially with A. Brooks on Lamb - I mean Lamm.)
Osweiler simply cannot hesitate there and held the ball for 3 seconds.
He had to throw that ball away.
Guess I was a NOBODY.
We did this with other QBs before; even with those that didn't get paid squat.
I remember quite a few people joining in the analyzing of all the throws in the 2013 season when they had a batlle for the backup spot between Yates and Keenum.
I didn't mind it then; why should I mind it now?
It's just football talk.
Blanda crossed my mind, but c'mon, dude left the Oilers the year I was born! (and *cough*AFL*cough*) My personal reference starts with Luv Ya Blue. Pastorini and Stabler were average and over-the-hill. It was 34 and a great defense that made those teams good.
Moon is it. Unless I'm completely forgetting someone (and Steve McNair doesn't count, all things considered), then that leaves Matt Schaub as the second best QB in the modern-DoubleBarrel-era.
Yeah the Blanda thing was kinda toungue-in-cheek. Moon was a great QB, threw the prettiest ball, but played his best years in the CFL... NFL wasn't ready to accept a black QB at the time. But Moon just seemed to be missing something at crunch time. Or maybe it was just the Oilers
Texansballer74
The Marine
I can see you are a hard fan to please. Lol
Hey, it was O'Brien words.
He said, and I quote "We have to work really hard during TC" to correct that.
There's got to be some accountability.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Preseason game 1 with a QB who's started 7 NFL games, and is in a different offense now.
Part of a good head coach's job is to put his players in the best position to succeed. To be able to do that, you've got to know their strengths and weaknesses. To find their strengths and weaknesses, you've got to put them in a position to show them to you.
I expect to see improvement, and I expect to see that on an ongoing basis for some time. The Brock Osweiler who starts RS game one should be better than the one who started preseason game one. The Osweiler who starts game 6 should be better than the one who started game one. The Osweiler who starts the 2017 regular season opener should be better than the one who started the 6th game of 2016. That's a dual responsibility of Osweiler himself and the coaching staff.
I'm not writing this because he sucked on Sunday (which he did). I'm writing this because no matter how hard he works, or how well he's coached, or what his ultimate ceiling (high or not so high) is, he's not a finished product, and he's probably a season and a half, or more away from being close to a finished product.
It's like planting a garden. You don't check the seeds you planted 10 times a day, and wring your hands and get all anxious when it's not ready for harvest fifteen minutes after you planted it . That doesn't mean that come harvest time, they won't have been dead for the past few weeks, it just means that looking for something that's not a reasonable expectation - YET - doesn't do anyone any good.
Part of a good head coach's job is to put his players in the best position to succeed. To be able to do that, you've got to know their strengths and weaknesses. To find their strengths and weaknesses, you've got to put them in a position to show them to you.
I expect to see improvement, and I expect to see that on an ongoing basis for some time. The Brock Osweiler who starts RS game one should be better than the one who started preseason game one. The Osweiler who starts game 6 should be better than the one who started game one. The Osweiler who starts the 2017 regular season opener should be better than the one who started the 6th game of 2016. That's a dual responsibility of Osweiler himself and the coaching staff.
I'm not writing this because he sucked on Sunday (which he did). I'm writing this because no matter how hard he works, or how well he's coached, or what his ultimate ceiling (high or not so high) is, he's not a finished product, and he's probably a season and a half, or more away from being close to a finished product.
It's like planting a garden. You don't check the seeds you planted 10 times a day, and wring your hands and get all anxious when it's not ready for harvest fifteen minutes after you planted it . That doesn't mean that come harvest time, they won't have been dead for the past few weeks, it just means that looking for something that's not a reasonable expectation - YET - doesn't do anyone any good.
Guess I was a NOBODY.
well, there are quotation marks around everybody.
I should have said everyone who stated an opinion at the time... but should I have to? I don't think so.
Texian
Hall of Fame
A Commitment to Excellence doesn't come easy or cheap.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
The first preseason game does not skepticism create.
It's too early to be skeptic. Especially since the offense called was very vanilla and no out, go or long pass plays were called. O'brien simply wanted to stay underneath the defense and see if these talented players could break loose. He also wants to lull other teams to sleep by making them stack the box and keep the defensive backs inside. When the other teams defense pulls in, then it's time to attack the deep routes. O'brien historically won't give away his opening day plan in the preseason. We may see a few more deeper routes this weekend, but don't expect to see the top being blown off of the Saints defense. It will be kept vanilla and conservative.
It's too early to be skeptic. Especially since the offense called was very vanilla and no out, go or long pass plays were called. O'brien simply wanted to stay underneath the defense and see if these talented players could break loose. He also wants to lull other teams to sleep by making them stack the box and keep the defensive backs inside. When the other teams defense pulls in, then it's time to attack the deep routes. O'brien historically won't give away his opening day plan in the preseason. We may see a few more deeper routes this weekend, but don't expect to see the top being blown off of the Saints defense. It will be kept vanilla and conservative.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Unfortunately this is the more likely scenario to be expected.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I can see you are hard fan to please. Lol
Well said Jam. I would wait until at least the 8th regular season game.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Ok, I agree vanilla but I do expect QB to do well with vanilla; no one asked Os to make a seven ingredient sundae but he should be able to fill the bowl with vanilla ice cream without hitting the ground or sling ice cream over the kitchen. Even a cracked bowl that is glued (O Line) can hold vanilla ice cream. I wanted to see better but giving him rest of preseason to figure out how DQ does it.
I knew you were kidding about Blanda. But, that joke had a kernel of truth. Even including Blanda, going back 50 years, this city has only had 3 decent QBs. Moon, Blanda, Schaub. That makes me sad, man!
And agree on Moon. Great regular season QB, but ultimately not a big game QB. Ever.
Damn, I just depressed the hope out me.
I know how everyone here likes the comments from their favorite TV Football Analyst, Spencer Tillman,
but I heard him on talk on a post game show about being on the Oilers team when they lost "that Playoff Game" in Buffalo. He said that team had more talent than the 49ers team he was on that won the Super Bowl, but the one thing they lacked was leadership! Is that what Moon was missing in crunch time? Or was it the Oilers in general?Anyway, it got me to thinking about what all the players and coaches have been saying about Brock and how his leadership is what stands out. Not his arm, like Moon and others, but his leadership. And maybe that's what has been missing more than anything from the past Oiler/Texan teams in regards to their QB's. I know some on here are saying he has accuracy issues, but I think that will work itself out when he gets his timing and rhythm down with his WR's. How long will that take? No one knows! But, the longer he plays with them the better that timing and rhythm should be and the better his accuracy should be. As for the leadership, if he has just a fraction of what Brady, Manning, or Montana had, maybe that will be enough to get us to the "promise land!"
OK, I'll get off my soapbox now!
Need to get more 
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Raiders fan?
I know how everyone here likes the comments from their favorite TV Football Analyst, Spencer Tillman,
Anyway, it got me to thinking about what all the players and coaches have been saying about Brock and how his leadership is what stands out. Not his arm, like Moon and others, but his leadership. And maybe that's what has been missing more than anything from the past Oiler/Texan teams in regards to their QB's. I know some on here are saying he has accuracy issues, but I think that will work itself out when he gets his timing and rhythm down with his WR's. How long will that take? No one knows! But, the longer he plays with them the better that timing and rhythm should be and the better his accuracy should be. As for the leadership, if he has just a fraction of what Brady, Manning, or Montana had, maybe that will be enough to get us to the "promise land!"
OK, I'll get off my soapbox now!
Well said! Personally, I think leadership and intelligence are those intangible traits that you often see in great QBs. The clutch factor would be my third, simply because some guys can handle the pressure better than others.
Montana never had the strongest arm, but dude was smart, a leader, and one of the best clutch QBs in NFL history. Hopefully everything said about Brock is more than lip service and hyperbole. Other Texans players are certainly saying the right things and maybe Brock will be the fourth better-than-average QB this city has seen since 1960. *fingers crossed*
DB, thanks for the complement. I've got my "fingers crossed" too! When you talked about the "clutch factor" being your 3rd intangible trait, I was trying to remember if Brock had already exhibited that trait and the 1st thing that came to mind was the Denver/NE game last year. I watched some clips from that game and they give you a little snippet of what could be here in the future. Just click on the Video tab and go to the Osweiler highlights. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015112911/2015/REG12/patriots@broncos
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RaiderDave
Practice Squad
Can we please retire the term "vanilla".
For one thing, who doesn't like vanilla? It's delicious.
And for another it is not a synonym for "plain".
Also it has jumped the internet shark.
Also if you use that word you have already lost the argument.
For one thing, who doesn't like vanilla? It's delicious.
And for another it is not a synonym for "plain".
Also it has jumped the internet shark.
Also if you use that word you have already lost the argument.
RaiderDave
Practice Squad
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
From the Interwebz
vanilla
Unexciting, normal, conventional, boring.
Just like vanilla ice cream, it's meh
not unlike our offense the other night
RaiderDave
Practice Squad
From the Interwebz
vanilla
Unexciting, normal, conventional, boring.
Just like vanilla ice cream, it's meh
not unlike our offense the other night
A "conventional" Defense for the Broncos is blitzing and dogging alot.
RaiderDave
Practice Squad
Try "banal" average, normal, run-of-the-mill, standard, typical, middle-of-the-road, conventional,unremarkable, unexceptional, workaday, undistinguished, nondescript, colorless,commonplace, humdrum, mundane, unmemorable, pedestrian, prosaic, quotidian,uninteresting, uneventful, dull, boring, bland, suburban, hackneyed, garden-variety;
That's what the preseason is. Pedestrian.
That's what the preseason is. Pedestrian.
From the Interwebz
vanilla
Unexciting, normal, conventional, boring.
Just like vanilla ice cream, it's meh
not unlike our offense the other night
Now Nilla wafers......they're delicious
RaiderDave
Practice Squad
This guy gets it.
especially in Banana Pudding
If you put peanut butter on them
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Peanut butter is great on oranges.If you put peanut butter on them
Scooter
Funky
I didn't like the signing from the get-go (heck I didn't like him as a draft choice, all 'really tall with a decent arm - and no quarterback), and I think I've done well to bite my tongue since the first few rants. What I'm growing very tired of is his 'it's only camp, it's only preseason, he'll need time to adjust' treatment. Brock is NOT a rookie. He's in his 5th season in the NFL. He spent the last 4 seasons behind Peyton Manning (2x Superbowl Champ QB). He lived with and was tutored by John Elway (2x Superbowl Champ QB, 1x Superbowl Champ Executive). He was benched on a Superbowl run under Gary Kubiak (4x Superbowl Champ coach). He should be getting the Aaron Rodgers treatment during preseason with all of that, not being blasted by every outlet for looking like ... well, looking like Brock Osweiler over the past 5 seasons.
I'll now go back to being quiet so that he can prove how awesome he'll be for my team.
I'll now go back to being quiet so that he can prove how awesome he'll be for my team.
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
People have bitched and moaned for 3 years for the Texans to get a QB. They finally go get a QB and all people do is ***** and moan about it.
How about letting the man play one freaking game at NRG before stringing him up?
Scooter
Funky
I strung him up before he was drafted - a 6'4" Osweiler goes in the 6th round at best. I added rope when he had a horse on his helmet because after 4 years he still looked like crap.
I have certainly bitched and moaned for 3 years. I did so because we had the top qb coach in football, and the top defensive coordinator in football - destroyed by management. Even with that mess, we were in place to get the quarterback. Bridgewater was the consensus #1 before his gloves fiasco and Bortles was a prototype build. If only we had the best QB coach in the game to draft one of them ... oh wait.
Instead we got the guy who hates the top QB coach - that just won a damn Superbowl. Who benched him for somebody that couldn't throw the ball.