PHILLYTEXANFAN
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Yet Hoyer started in the playoffs
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Another piss poor decision by OB?
infantrycak
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And how'd that turn out?
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I'd like to be in the meeting room when O'Brien tries to sell Hackenberg and his tape to the scouts, staff, Smith, and the McNairs. I can see the looks on their faces while Billy pumps up Hack as the Texans QB of the future. "WTF? Are you trying to get everyone fired?"
Not happening.
Not happening.
He can be as selective in which tapes to show as he must have been with Hoyer's
infantrycak
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Good point. That little speech would have to have a sinking deja vu feeling to it.
In your mind, what does that say?
That he was the better option? That O'b thought he was the better option? That we're screwed at QB as long as O'b is making the call?
Texian
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OB will be showing them the OB-Hack videos. McNair has already announced to the world the Texans will address the QB position and it's the top priority, what's he going to do? Sign Sam Bradford?
3 year old tape? I guess everyone will get fired.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
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To me he was the best option. Look at the Eagles for example, McNabb went down and AJ feely and Jeff Garcia were the hot hands, yet Reid still reverted back to McNabb
That example has nothing to do with Hoyer actually being the best option. You just compared Brian Hoyer to Donovan McNabb.
I feel as if I've seen this movie before.
Rick Smith & Godsey make a trade to get "their" guy Jared Goff (played by Ryan Mallett) then use a late round pick to acquire O'bs pick Christian Hackenberg (played initially by Fitzpatrick, then Brian Hoyer).
As early as OTAs we'll hear that Goff is out of shape,doesn't know how to practice, had alarm clock issues... accuracy issues. & no matter how poorly Hack plays in the preseason, he'll win the competition due to closed practice.
As early as OTAs we'll hear that Goff is out of shape,doesn't know how to practice, had alarm clock issues... accuracy issues. & no matter how poorly Hack plays in the preseason, he'll win the competition due to closed practice.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
No, I said Hoyer started the playoffs , thunder asked if it was a bad choice even though Weeden was rolling essentially
Yes, and the Reid going back to McNabb later doesn't make OB going back to Hoyer any more legit. They're not connected.
You'd have to equate McNabb and Hoyer to make that example work.
Because that's how examples work.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
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I can't explain it better. My bad..
infantrycak
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You're adding. McNair said they were going to address QB. He didn't say top priority.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
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I think when an owner makes that kind of statement "top priority " is a given
infantrycak
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He was asked whether the Texans would address QB and said yes. It's not like he stepped up to the podium and made a point of saying we would be looking for a new QB as his 1st statement on the offseason plan.
And hey, I want a QB in the 1st. I hope it is their top priority. But that isn't what he said.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
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I think when an owner makes that kind of statement "top priority " is a hiven
i understand, but was he ever publicly asked if they'll address TE or OG?
infantrycak
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Not to my knowledge. But so? Questions reflect the fan base.
Texian
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Just because you're not aware doesn't make it so, again, you're misinformed or simply not informed. Your Google search works as well as everyone else. Use it. Just because you're ignorant of the facts doesn't make you ignorant.
“I don't think there's any question,” McNair said Tuesday, when asked if finding a franchise quarterback is the Texans' top priority (via the Houston Chronicle).
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infantrycak
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Just because you don't understand the purpose or import of quotation marks...
Same transaction reported:
Texian
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If you don't think that finding a franchise QB is a top priority then you are much dumber than I imagined.
infantrycak
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And you've confirmed my opinion once again. Try reading up a few posts in this thread and you'll find I think finding a QB should be the top priority stated very clearly.
I don't think "top priority" necessarily mean first round pick. Maybe we trade for Rivers or Stafford, maybe acquiring RGIII, or even identifying targeting, & drafting that QB, regardless what round is what he meant.
Number19
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I haven't been reading this College Football part of the forum until the last day or so, so maybe this has been addressed.
OB recruited Hack out of high school and played him, with a great deal of success as a freshman, in a pro-style offense.
Following OB's departure, James Frankin installed a spread offense and Hack struggled.
I'd appreciate some knowledgable comment from those of you who really evaluate these prospects, the differences in the systems and why a QB may succeed in one but not the other.
Can Hack actually be better suited to OB's offense and regain his freshman year success?
I'm resigning myself to the idea that we're likely to be drafting a QB in the first and if we don't trade up, Hack has a good chance of being the pick.
OB recruited Hack out of high school and played him, with a great deal of success as a freshman, in a pro-style offense.
Following OB's departure, James Frankin installed a spread offense and Hack struggled.
I'd appreciate some knowledgable comment from those of you who really evaluate these prospects, the differences in the systems and why a QB may succeed in one but not the other.
Can Hack actually be better suited to OB's offense and regain his freshman year success?
I'm resigning myself to the idea that we're likely to be drafting a QB in the first and if we don't trade up, Hack has a good chance of being the pick.
infantrycak
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OB's coaches recruited him.
I'm at a loss. I can't remember a person struggling going from a pro style to a simpler style. I could understand if they went to an option type offense where the offense required more athleticism than Hack had, like Savage needing to run a read option, but that's not the type of spread Franklin installed.
To me, it points towards stubbornness or uncoachability on Hackenberg's part. His numbers should have gone up, not down. Being to run Ob's offense as well as he did points to his intelligence. If not for stubbornness, I can only imagine he wasn't able to process information fast enough... which isn't likely.
So you're saying Franklin's spread offense was similar to a pro style offense? I'm confused
But I've read here numerous people stating that he wasn't suited for the spread offense. I can't imagine a Schaub or a Brady running a spread, and RGIII and Kaepernick seem to have a problem running a pro style. Why should it be different for Hack?
WolverineFan
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The problem with Penn State's offense under Franklin was that it wasn't really a spread and it wasn't pro style. It was a jumbled mess of people not knowing what the hell they were doing (coaches included). One of the most dysfunctional units I've watched at a power program in quite some time.
Tom Brady runs a spread. Schub would have been much better running a spread. Case Keenum would thrive running a spread.
I'm thinking more air raid than zone read.
Kaepernick hasn't had the time & reps to run a pro style. He ran a zone read in college & his first years in the pros. Same thing with RGIII I have no doubt he's smart enough to run a pro style, but it will take some time. He's going to look bad the first year he runs it, like he did in Washington.
If you're in "win now" mode, you don't want to be fitting square pegs into round holes.
Hack ran a pro style very well his first season. Going to a spread should have been like simplifying the offense, but speeing it up at the same time. He should have gotten better if he could process the information at a faster speed.
yeah sorry, I was thinking zone read when I said spread... carrying one thread into the next
infantrycak
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infantrycak
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200i
2009
Owen was on his way to a record breaking season. Remember what a TE looks like?
8 games 519 yds 5 tds.
Gotta Give Casserly some love for that one Kubiak did .
2009
Owen was on his way to a record breaking season. Remember what a TE looks like?
8 games 519 yds 5 tds.
Gotta Give Casserly some love for that one Kubiak did .
Our 9-7 year I think... 2009
Not being a smart a**
What yr did Schaub lead the league in passing?
Thanks for not giving the you do know how to use google line.
I forgot how great Schaub was that season He truly carried that team. Too bad Dick Smith was a part of that team
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leebigeztx
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When people talk about Hackenberg playing well as a freshman, but we've seen guys regresd quickly before. Maybe he just wasn't that good.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I'd be ok with drafting 2 QBs; hell it worked out ok enough for Washington.
Shishkabob
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CloakNNNdagger
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Would not have advocated Hackenberg presenting his case against Franklin at the Combine, but, knowing Penn State had lost there OL after BOB's exit, Franklin did nothing to compensate anything. The play calling was unimaginative and entirely predictable if not atrocious.............for both the passing game AND the run game. He failed miserably at developing any semblance of an offense under Hackenberg. Franklin never had a clue. He fired his OC..........but failed to do anything truly productive..............like firing himself............