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Arian Foster achilles injury - Out for season

texan279 said:
I know Foster has done a lot for this organization, but I have to say I would agree with this move. It is time to look to the future for a #1 RB.
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I think most fans are on board with this. I really wonder how badly Foster wants to come back and play in the NFL. I'm sure he'd be picked up quickly as a talking head somewhere.
 
I'd like to thank him for everything he's done for the organization and for being a bright spot on our team for years. At his best, few were in his league. I hope he finds post NFL success. Namaste!
 
Lucky said:
New QB. New RB. Glad we're not putting too much pressure on Rick Smith this offseason.
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At first we were asking for one homerun. Why stop there? Let's go for two! Hell...load up the bases and let's see what he can do. :stirpot:
 
He was dam good. Loved what he brought on the field. Never cared much for him off the field And really disliked him after the incident involving the UH student.
 
PapaL said:
I'd like to thank him for everything he's done for the organization and for being a bright spot on our team for years. At his best, few were in his league. I hope he finds post NFL success. Namaste!
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Post NFL success or more NFL success? Arian Foster isn't going to retire. I hope he doesn't do us dirty like Andre Johnson and sign with a cheap division rival.

I could see the Dallas Cowboys signing Arian Foster which I'd also feel conflicted about. Dallas is probably thinking an aging and injury prone Romo, Foster, Bryant and Witten would give them a prolific offense capable of making a Super Bowl run next year.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Post NFL success or more NFL success? Arian Foster isn't going to retire. I hope he doesn't do us dirty like Andre Johnson and sign with a cheap division rival.

I could see the Dallas Cowboys signing Arian Foster which I'd also feel conflicted about. Dallas is probably thinking an aging and injury prone Romo, Foster, Bryant and Witten would give them a prolific offense capable of making a Super Bowl run next year.
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Honestly I don't think it matters much. On the field he may have moments of old Arian but with all those injuries and all the mileage it's going to be OLD Arian. He wasn't the most explosive guy before, add in the achilles and ever recurring groin, calf, and thigh problems and he's a shell of his former self.

If he goes to Indy, I hope he eats up tons of cap space. 7 year $100M sounds like a good deal for them. Hahaha but I don't expect much from him anymore.
 
PapaL said:
Honestly I don't think it matters much. On the field he may have moments of old Arian but with all those injuries and all the mileage it's going to be OLD Arian. He wasn't the most explosive guy before, add in the achilles and ever recurring groin, calf, and thigh problems and he's a shell of his former self.

If he goes to Indy, I hope he eats up tons of cap space. 7 year $100M sounds like a good deal for them. Hahaha but I don't expect much from him anymore.
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This also says a lot about our current RB corps, because he'd still be the best RB among this group if he came back. For how long? Pffft, who knows.

Say what you want about Arian, but y'all have to admit the dude's smooth as glass when he's toting that rock. Imo, we sorely missed him this season. Running and receiving
 
It's going to be tough not seeing Foster run for the Texans again. His unique style and all around football skills made him one of my favorite running backs of all time. The best way I can sum it up is to quote myself from a previous thread about him.

This team is so damn lucky to have a player like Foster, not to mention his absent draft price. No one in the league glides and barrel rolls through defenders like Foster. No one can spin-and-deflect the kenetic energy of a 250 pound linebacker like Foster, or stiffarm and keep balance, or juke Troy Polamalu out of his shoes like Foster. On other teams, he'd be their best wide receiver as well as running back. The guy is historically talented...
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I don't think he will get any offers like the contract he had with Texans, I would think everybody will be pushing a very incentive heavy contract.
 
Lucky said:
New QB. New RB. Glad we're not putting too much pressure on Rick Smith this offseason.
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Expecting Tricky Rick & The Tampon to hit on just one pick was asking a lot .... now we need a QB , RB , WR2 , TE , KR & OT ..... yeah , um .... forgetaboutit.
 
Corrosion said:
Expecting Tricky Rick & The Tampon to hit on just one pick was asking a lot .... now we need a QB , RB , WR2 , TE , KR & OT ..... yeah , um .... forgetaboutit.
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There are lots of things to knock Rick and/or OB for but there's not a front office in the league that take care of all of that with one draft.

If we got 2-3 of them in this draft I'd be happy. If we got 4 of them this year between the draft and free agency and just had to live another year with Newton at RT and Mumphery returning kicks for another season I'd be thrilled with that.

Experience tells me we'll be lucky to get 2 of those and most likely only 1 of them will be anything approaching genuinely effective this year.
 
Texecutioner said:
Well, he has had two years to find the QB. His worthless ass just didn't do it. He also should have looked for Arian's replacement last season as many of us predicted an injury played season for Arian this year.
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You have this bad habit of telling it like it is.
 
Hervoyel said:
There are lots of things to knock Rick and/or OB for but there's not a front office in the league that take care of all of that with one draft.

If we got 2-3 of them in this draft I'd be happy. If we got 4 of them this year between the draft and free agency and just had to live another year with Newton at RT and Mumphery returning kicks for another season I'd be thrilled with that.

Experience tells me we'll be lucky to get 2 of those and most likely only 1 of them will be anything approaching genuinely effective this year.
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Of course that's a lot to ask .... and I was being totally sarcastic with the expectation that they could fill them all , point is , with these clowns in charge , I expect them to screw it up completely.

What is reasonable expectation ? You have to examine the assets available.

#1 pick - You expect this guy to make an impact right away. (Probably not early this season assuming they draft a QB)

#2 pick - should be expected to contribute early.

#3 pick - should be expected to contribute at some point in the season.

#4-7 picks .... if one of them contributes you got lucky.

Free agency - You generally pay a premium for talented free agents and should expect them to perform. How much cap space you have dictates what tier of player and the number of players you can sign. The Texans will have ~$28m -$34m in cap space. They can cut some dead weight like Rahim Moore & Hoyerable and create another $7m.
They can probably go after 1 mid-upper end contract and 1-2 mid tier deals and still have $$$ to fill out the roster.

When you look at the assets , it should be within reason to expect they solve most of those positional issues with the top 3 draft picks & 2-3 solid FA signings.

The fact that we don't expect them to get more than 1-2 of those holes filled says a lot about our expectations of the franchise decision makers .....
 
Corrosion said:
Of course that's a lot to ask .... and I was being totally sarcastic with the expectation that they could fill them all , point is , with these clowns in charge , I expect them to screw it up completely.

What is reasonable expectation ? You have to examine the assets available.

#1 pick - You expect this guy to make an impact right away. (Probably not early this season assuming they draft a QB)

#2 pick - should be expected to contribute early.

#3 pick - should be expected to contribute at some point in the season.

#4-7 picks .... if one of them contributes you got lucky.
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That's a pretty reasonable standard. And one born out looking around the league. I think lots of Texans fans set themselves up for disappointment with unreasonable expectations that they are going to get 4 new starters, 2 heavy contributors and a depth guy out of 7 picks every year. Doesn't work like that.

Oh and on the thread topic, I said before last season I expected it to be Foster's last with the team ... and therefore wanted them to draft his replacement.
 
Corrosion said:
....The Texans will have ~$28m -$34m in cap space. They can cut some dead weight like Rahim Moore & Hoyerable and create another $7m.....
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I always wonder how accurate that cap calculator thing is at overthecap.com but before doing anything else I cut Arian Foster (sadly), Brian Hoyer (gladly), Rahim Moore (Why not?), Garrett "Healthy Scratch" Graham, and B.J.Daniels (Our secret "Mildcat" weapon") and it says I got $46 million in space.

With a decent draft we get a couple of holes filled (hopefully) and then we have all the money we need to play in free agency. Unfortunately like we've been saying with this group of brains we'll be lucky to hit on any free agent. I think hitting on more than one has only happened once (Manning/Joseph) to my knowledge. I might be forgetting something but that seems to me like the only time free agency went as we hoped.
 
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infantrycak said:
Oh and on the thread topic, I said before last season I expected it to be Foster's last with the team ... and therefore wanted them to draft his replacement.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was pretty much a given that we were going to draft Melvin Gordon at #16 but SD traded up and snatched him right before our pick.
In hindsight had we not traded up for Strong we could have taken David Johnson at 82; went 86 to Arizona. That guy looks legit!
 
Hervoyel said:
I always wonder how accurate that cap calculator thing is at overthecap.com but before doing anything else I cut Arian Foster (sadly), Brian Hoyer (gladly), Rahim Moore (Why not?), Garrett "Healthy Scratch" Graham, and B.J.Daniels (Our secret "Mildcat" weapon") and it says I got $46 million in space.

With a decent draft we get a couple of holes filled (hopefully) and then we have all the money we need to play in free agency. Unfortunately like we've been saying with this group of brains we'll be lucky to hit on any free agent. I think hitting on one has only happened once (Manning/Joseph) to my knowledge. I might be forgetting something but that seems to me like the only time free agency went as we hoped.
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Yep, Rick needs to go after top tier FA's like JJo and Manning because he cant hit on a mid tier FA that is up and coming to save his life. Please no more Nate Washington's/Rahim Moore's.
 
PapaL said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was pretty much a given that we were going to draft Melvin Gordon at #16 but SD traded up and snatched him right before our pick.
In hindsight had we not traded up for Strong we could have taken David Johnson at 82; went 86 to Arizona. That guy looks legit!
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Yep and many draftniks on this MB wanted Johnson in the 2nd/3rd rd. Think Johnson may have helped out a bit more than Strong did this yr?
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep and many draftniks on this MB wanted Johnson in the 2nd/3rd rd. Think Johnson may have helped out a bit more than Strong did this yr?
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My point in bringing that up was that we had a plan going into the draft but the way the draft played out things changed. Often I see people demand we take BPA and not reach. Yet those same people get pissed when we don't address need, a RB, and take BPA, Kevin Johnson.

As for Strong, WR was also a position a need in that draft. I think Lockett was our original target but again another team traded up and grabbed our target.
 
infantrycak said:
That's a pretty reasonable standard. And one born out looking around the league. I think lots of Texans fans set themselves up for disappointment with unreasonable expectations that they are going to get 4 new starters, 2 heavy contributors and a depth guy out of 7 picks every year. Doesn't work like that.

Oh and on the thread topic, I said before last season I expected it to be Foster's last with the team ... and therefore wanted them to draft his replacement.
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Think David Johnson would've looked like a great 3rd rd pick for the Texans last yr? Good teams add 3/4 contributors in the draft including a couple of impact players. Late rd picks are made by good teams to fill specific ST's needs or say a fast small school developmental WR. Not that the Texans have ever devloped a guy like this. Excluding Foster.
 
PapaL said:
My point in bringing that up was that we had a plan going into the draft but the way the draft played out things changed. Often I see people demand we take BPA and not reach. Yet those same people get pissed when we don't address need, a RB, and take BPA, Kevin Johnson.

As for Strong, WR was also a position a need in that draft. I think Lockett was our original target but again another team traded up and grabbed our target.
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This is something I dont understand, why would you trade up to get a guy when your not sure if another team can trade up ahead of you? Then again we're talking Rick Smith here so this doesn't surprise me.
 
steelbtexan said:
Think David Johnson would've looked like a great 3rd rd pick for the Texans last yr? Good teams add 3/4 contributors in the draft including a couple of impact players. Late rd picks are made by good teams to fill specific ST's needs or say a fast small school developmental WR. Not that the Texans have ever devloped a guy like this. Excluding Foster.
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So the Texans had 5 contributors with 2 as starters last year. Good job by Smith?
 
PapaL said:
My point in bringing that up was that we had a plan going into the draft but the way the draft played out things changed. Often I see people demand we take BPA and not reach. Yet those same people get pissed when we don't address need, a RB, and take BPA, Kevin Johnson.

As for Strong, WR was also a position a need in that draft. I think Lockett was our original target but again another team traded up and grabbed our target.
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This is something I dont understand, why would you trade up to get a guy when your not sure if another team can trade up ahead of you? Then again we're talking Rick Smith here so this doesn't surprise me.
 
Hervoyel said:
I always wonder how accurate that cap calculator thing is at overthecap.com but before doing anything else I cut Arian Foster (sadly), Brian Hoyer (gladly), Rahim Moore (Why not?), Garrett "Healthy Scratch" Graham, and B.J.Daniels (Our secret "Mildcat" weapon") and it says I got $46 million in space.

With a decent draft we get a couple of holes filled (hopefully) and then we have all the money we need to play in free agency. Unfortunately like we've been saying with this group of brains we'll be lucky to hit on any free agent. I think hitting on more than one has only happened once (Manning/Joseph) to my knowledge. I might be forgetting something but that seems to me like the only time free agency went as we hoped.
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According to overthecap, we also have 19 FA's of our own, at least some of whom we'll need to resign (like Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks, Jared Crick, probably others). So, some of the $46MM will be used for that.
 
paycheck71 said:
According to overthecap, we also have 19 FA's of our own, at least some of whom we'll need to resign (like Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks, Jared Crick, probably others). So, some of the $46MM will be used for that.
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Indeed. That's true. Even the ones we don't wish to bring back will have to be replaced.
 
steelbtexan said:
Think David Johnson would've looked like a great 3rd rd pick for the Texans last yr? Good teams add 3/4 contributors in the draft including a couple of impact players. Late rd picks are made by good teams to fill specific ST's needs or say a fast small school developmental WR. Not that the Texans have ever devloped a guy like this. Excluding Foster.
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No need to exclude Foster since we have been better at UFAs than low round picks. And we have developed UFAs.
 
I still have a strange feeling that if Arian Foster is released the Dallas Cowboys will sign him. And if they can keep Tony Romo, Dez Bryant and Jason Witten healthy, behind that stout offensive line (best line in football), that's going to be one dangerous offense in 2016.

I'd rather see the Houston Texans keep Arian Foster and just allow him to play out the final season on his contract. He's still a top three back if healthy. I understand that's wishful thinking to assume he can be healthy again but on a one year deal it's worth the risk. If he ends up going to our in-state rivals then all of a sudden they become more interesting to watch. I don't want to become a boring team again. I want to build on our 2015 AFC South division title.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I still have a strange feeling that if Arian Foster is released the Dallas Cowboys will sign him. And if they can keep Tony Romo, Dez Bryant and Jason Witten healthy, behind that stout offensive line (best line in football), that's going to be one dangerous offense in 2016.

I'd rather see the Houston Texans keep Arian Foster and just allow him to play out the final season on his contract. He's still a top three back if healthy. I understand that's wishful thinking to assume he can be healthy again but on a one year deal it's worth the risk. If he ends up going to our in-state rivals then all of a sudden they become more interesting to watch. I don't want to become a boring team again. I want to build on our 2015 AFC South division title.
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A whole lot of if and if and if going on there.... how do the cowboys affect our team being boring? 42-0 wasn't boring for you? How about 30-0? You like that kind of boring?
 
I'm well on the record that I'm not particularly of fan of Arian Foster off the field, but I stand firm that on the field he's the best back in football. IMO the two go together though. His off the field approach is a large part of why he can't stay on the field, and why he's likely on the chopping block. I know nothing about nothing, but all of these soft tissue injuries speak to me of insufficient preparation and improper rehab. Not poor effort, but poor 'I'll do it my way' approach. It won't hurt my feelings if he's released, but you know Murphy is going to show up next season ... if he stays he'll be injured, if he's cut he'll be all-pro for someone else.
 
We pretty much know that it takes two seasons before a player at any position can return close to pre injury form... maybe longer for a rb. Arian will be what? 32? Not much chance he'll ever be that guy again
 
JB said:
A whole lot of if and if and if going on there.... how do the cowboys affect our team being boring? 42-0 wasn't boring for you? How about 30-0? You like that kind of boring?
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If we had a reliable running game that game against the Chiefs could have been interesting. Alfred Blue did break off that one big run. We were in position to score before O'Brien got too cute with the Watt wildcat formation run and then Hoyer threw a goal line pick on second and goal.

As it was we were only down 13-0 at halftime. Should have been 13-7 with us receiving to start the second half. I'd have brought in Weeden at quarterback with a chance to win at that point. No telling what a different game it could have been. I don't want to release Arian Foster. I hope we let him play out 2016 and he stays on the field.

I'm not sure why we'd be in pressing need of the cap space. The NFL is increasing the salary cap. Foster only has one year left on his current contract. We aren't going to find a better running back option than him for 2016.
 
JB said:
A whole lot of if and if and if going on there.... how do the cowboys affect our team being boring? 42-0 wasn't boring for you? How about 30-0? You like that kind of boring?
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On my smartphone now. But they'd be more exciting for me to watch if they end up with Arian Foster. I may be more tempted to follow them more in 2016. I like the makeup of their team better than ours if they can keep Tony Romo healthy. A big if for sure. Foster single-handily sent that road game to overtime against the Cowboys two seasons ago. I sure as heck don't want to lose him with one year left on his contract.

How do we make sure Arian Foster stays a Texan?
We keep him. Plain and simple. That's all I want.
With one year left on his contract I'm not seeing any risk.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
On my smartphone now. But they'd be more exciting for me to watch if they end up with Arian Foster. I may be more tempted to follow them more in 2016. I like the makeup of their team better than ours if they can keep Tony Romo healthy. A big if for sure. Foster single-handily sent that road game to overtime against the Cowboys two seasons ago. I sure as heck don't want to lose him with one year left on his contract.

How do we make sure Arian Foster stays a Texan?
We keep him. Plain and simple. That's all I want.
With one year left on his contract I'm not seeing any risk.
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The 63 for 163 yds for an average of 2.6ypc Foster? And that was before he tore his achilles... He's not the guy he was in 2012 and you'll never bring that guy back or even see that guy again.

If they can keep Romo healthy? Your real big on ifs but you go right ahead and follow that team to your hearts content, but I think you're pie in the sky dreaming
 
Lost trust in doctors. May have had reason while here. But then, like the person who thinks he knows better than anyone about everything, he used none of his purported "genius" when he refused to participate in common sense basic techniques that are required to treat and prevent soft tissue injuries. Evidently "I know my body" Foster did not know his body as well as he thought he did. Sadly, he is unlikely to be able to now make up for all those years of injuries that went improperly tended to.

Foster was cleared to resume jogging in January and has made significant progress in his recovery.

Foster is overcoming his wariness about traditional rehabilitation approaches and doctors.
"I will say the majority of Arian's issues have come from the ability to kind of believe in doctors," Abdul Foster said. "Arian has had some bad instances with doctors. He has kind of leaned away from that. I kind of view guys like him like a Ferrari. They need constant maintenance on their bodies. The extreme injuries Arian has had, we've tried to get him to do basic recovery, ice, getting on a table to be worked on. Arian has kind of shied away from that because he's had some bad experiences with doctors.


"Over the years of constant collisions on the field, play after play, day after day, it wears on the body. If you don't do anything to repair it, I think you're going to have some issues. A lot of the injuries Arian has seen and witness over the years are a result of him not doing the kind of recovery he needed. His pain tolerance is unreal. He played the entire 2010 season with a broken collarbone. This go-round, he's bought into the program we've put him on. He's doing the proper maintenance he needed to do on his body. He's doing good. I'm pretty excited to see what happens with him this go-round."
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Well, I wish him a full and speedy recovery.


and I can relate to less than full faith in some doctors.
 
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