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What Mallett brings as a (full-time) Starter

HOU-TEX said:
No you don't. I think Cloak knows some of the shoulder issues I've had in the past. I'll just leave it at this, I've now had a total of 4 surgeries on both shoulders. I can't lift weights anymore, can't throw a ball at all, can't play golf, etc. The last scope I had was basically to clean up the amount of arthritis that has formed. I've been told they do not wish to do anymore surgeries unless it's to replace the shoulders. He's hoping I can get to 50 before beginning the replacement of the 1st. We'll see. I've had about everything you could think of repaired between the both of them

BUT, the worst part about all of these surgeries isn't the actual surgeries, it's the rehab. The range of motion "exercises" alone about brought me to tears.
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I had a "frayed" rotator cuff and several bone spurs under the tendon. Had it repaired/fixed and spent 5 weeks sleeping in a recliner! I was almost in tears being driven to rehab. It was the worst. Still have some problems with it but can play golf and I get by on duexis.
 
amazing80 said:
Cloak knows my injuries as well lol. The resident Dr! My injury is only 2 years old, so arthritis is still to come. I'm not gonna compare who's injury are worse, because they are probably both terrible, I just wished I had shoulder pain because the rest of my arm hurts so bad lol, it was more tongue in cheek.

Rehab is shitty. I can't straighten my arm past 40 degrees and just had a surgery to clean scar tissue out of the elbow region and now I have a machine I stick my arm into and it forces my arm straight. I do that 4-5 HOURS a day plus another handful of "stretches" throughout the day. Its like a full time job just rehabbing. It definitely sucks.
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There's no doubt your situation sounds horrible. You're probably an exception to my comment

The main reason I said what I said is I think the shoulder joint as a whole is probably the most complex of all. Definitely the most fragile. Maybe I'm just different, but once first injured they were never the same. One of them goes back to HS and college. The other stemmed from weight lifting just a couple few years ago.

I can play a little underhand toss with my grandson now because he's only 5, but I won't be able to play catch with him as he gets older. Luckily his dad will be out of the Marines by then

I truly hope you're able to get that thing right.

Now, back on topic.......all 3 QBs suck :hides:
 
So much for the Mallett thread. lol I can't help but think about this scene reading what you guys are posting.

 
mussop said:
There has to be a way to make our voices heard. This has to end. We are a joke. McNary needs to grow some balls and clean house from top to bottom.
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Only way to make McNair hear it is to impact his wallet. Unfortunately, this city is so football starved that we will keep pouring money into this **** product and just hope something changes.
 
McNair hears. He just doesn't agree.

I refutes to believe he doesn't care, because people are laughing & pointing at him.

I can't imagine a good reason not to fire... well, he'll say we don't have anyone capable of stepping in, which is really just another failure on the part of this coaching staff.
 
thunderkyss said:
McNair hears. He just doesn't agree.

I refutes to believe he doesn't care, because people are laughing & pointing at him.

I can't imagine a good reason not to fire... well, he'll say we don't have anyone capable of stepping in, which is really just another failure on the part of this coaching staff.
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Someone on the game day thread said vrabel. I'm good with that
 
Mallett has had his shot. I don't really think he deserves another shot.

I think the Texans decision to keep a 4th string te on ir designated instead of savage was the dumbest idea ever.

Savage may not be the answer but at least he'd get reps and we could find out
 
santo said:
Good thing Hoyer made the flight. We couldn't get that 1st round pick without him.
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There's a guy up in Indy thats supposed to be pretty good but is looking more like Brian Hoyer these days in part b/c his o-line is ****..theres another up in seattle thats looking terrible as well b/c of the same issue.

I say that to say getting a stud qb aint gonna matter if we cant protect him.....with solid blocking, a halfway decent run game..&/or at least a decent defense.

Mallet needs to be released...dude is too irresponsible.
 
Mr teX said:
There's a guy up in Indy thats supposed to be pretty good but is looking more like Brian Hoyer these days in part b/c his o-line is ****..theres another up in seattle thats looking terrible as well b/c of the same issue.

I say that to say getting a stud qb aint gonna matter if we cant protect him.....with solid blocking, a halfway decent run game..&/or at least a decent defense.

Mallet needs to be released...dude is too irresponsible.
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Don't even try to blame Hoyer's performance on the OL. It was not the OL. For a patch work OL they have done pretty well. And you think RS is bad and you want to release your only backup QB? Seems legit.
 
Im tired of the whole "build up the trenches" argument. That obviously didnt work. You cant forsake the most important position on the field and then use the excuse "he wont be much if you cant protect him" ... there is alot to be said for franchise QB's making their OLines look good also with on time delivery and smart decision making. At this point I wish the Texans would have drafted Derek Carr in the 2nd round instead of Busta Filo. Hindsight right? Oh yeah and the whole "you cant draft that guy his brother played here and he sucked" argument, so logical.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Im tired of the whole "build up the trenches" argument. That obviously didnt work. You cant forsake the most important position on the field and then use the excuse "he wont be much if you cant protect him" ... there is alot to be said for franchise QB's making their OLines look good also with on time delivery and smart decision making. At this point I wish the Texans would have drafted Derek Carr in the 2nd round instead of Busta Filo. Hindsight right? Oh yeah and the whole "you cant draft that guy his brother played here and he sucked" argument, so logical.
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So...we drafted 1 o-linemen and that constituted us building up the trenches? Ok...
 
The entire o line is performing poorly because like the rest of this team theyve given up. The hc is responsible for that.

Get a qb
Get people who win in the trenches

Everything else will work itself out.
 
Nitrofish said:
Don't even try to blame Hoyer's performance on the OL. It was not the OL. For a patch work OL they have done pretty well. And you think RS is bad and you want to release your only backup QB? Seems legit.
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"For a patchwork o-line" lol...Nice use of the qualifier....that should tell you all you need to know about this post of yours...that, and our paltry 2.8 ypa in the run game this season.

Unfortunately, my argument for building up the trenches 1st goes beyond you guys with the franchise qb cures all mentality. The run game which is terrible, would benefit from better o-line play as well as the defense.

Im looking at this from a macro level and your still stuck on discredit-hoyer-at-all-costs attitude.
 
powda said:
The entire o line is performing poorly because like the rest of this team theyve given up. The hc is responsible for that.

Get a qb
Get people who win in the trenches

Everything else will work itself out.
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Sounds easy dont it? Well why hasnt every team done what you're suggesting? Why is it that there's only truly like 6-10 franchise qbs in a 32 team league?

If it was as easy as you lay it out, everybody would do it.
 
Mr teX said:
Sounds easy dont it? Well why hasnt every team done what you're suggesting? Why is it that there's only truly like 6-10 franchise qbs in a 32 team league?

If it was as easy as you lay it out, everybody would do it.
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I didnt suggest it was easy. I suggested it should be priority.
 
powda said:
I didnt suggest it was easy. I suggested it should be priority.
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I dont think anyone disputes its a priority, the pecking order of the many priorities this team has is the disagreement. Im sitting here right now watching matt stafford getting lit up b/c his line cant protect him...this is a guy who once passed for 5k has weapons galore around him...and yet his team has a worse record than ours..

Getting that franchise qb 1st is the flashy thing that everyone likes to do to make them feel all warm and fuzzy about the upcoming season but most teams who make quick turn arounds to be competitive teams build up the trenches first (or already have the o-line in place) and give that young franchise qb a legit shot to be as good as he can be.

We made qb the #1 priority back in 2002 and got that kid pounded into submission...jax, cle, tenn..the same thing.
 
Mr teX said:
"For a patchwork o-line" lol...Nice use of the qualifier....that should tell you all you need to know about this post of yours...that, and our paltry 2.8 ypa in the run game this season.

Unfortunately, my argument for building up the trenches 1st goes beyond you guys with the franchise qb cures all mentality. The run game which is terrible, would benefit from better o-line play as well as the defense.
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How do you build the trenches?

We'vegot a first round LT, former pro bowler.

We've got a stud guard, who many, including PFF thinks may very well be the best in the game.

We drafted another guard in the 2nd round.

Our Center was considered the best center in his draft class.

How do you build the trenches?
 
thunderkyss said:
How do you build the trenches?

We'vegot a first round LT, former pro bowler.

We've got a stud guard, who many, including PFF thinks may very well be the best in the game.

We drafted another guard in the 2nd round.

Our Center was considered the best center in his draft class.

How do you build the trenches?
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You build your team with a GM that is capable of adding talent to a team. You don't build your team with a GM that replaces **** with ****. Or even replaces good with ****, in the case of Glover Quin.

Simply put.
 
thunderkyss said:
How do you build the trenches?

We'vegot a first round LT, former pro bowler.

We've got a stud guard, who many, including PFF thinks may very well be the best in the game.

We drafted another guard in the 2nd round.

Our Center was considered the best center in his draft class.

How do you build the trenches?
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Add all that to the picks they've made in the trenches on the defensive side of the ball, and the investment has been made. It doesn't seem to paying off though.
 
TexansSeminole said:
You build your team with a GM that is capable of adding talent to a team. You don't build your team with a GM that replaces **** with ****. Or even replaces good with ****, in the case of Glover Quin.

Simply put.
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Lets Glover Quin walk.

Signs Derek Newton to an extension.

The guy who does that deserves to be fired.
 
thunderkyss said:
How do you build the trenches?

We'vegot a first round LT, former pro bowler.....last regime's pick drafted for a different scheme and hasnt played at that level in 3-4 years

We've got a stud guard, who many, including PFF thinks may very well be the best in the game....last regime's pick...drafted for a different scheme....doesnt matter what Pff thinks...noone knows who brooks is outside of houston.

We drafted another guard in the 2nd round....OB's only pick for his scheme...no question he's been a disaapointment..

Our Center was considered the best center in his draft class...see brooks...but he's also a guy who had been playing out of position for the majority of his NFL career until this year...regardless his draft class must've been pretty weak.

How do you build the trenches?
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How? 1st-2nd round talent, not guys to develop.

look at the cowboys...3 1st round talents starting on the o-line...

Look at the 49ers a few years ago..1st and 2nd round talent up and down that line that made alex smith/kaepernick look competent

The jets a couple of years ago with ferguson, mangold..made sanchez look competent for a couple of seasons.


None of our guys graded out as 1st round talents to my knowledge except Brown...and he was drafted for kubes' scheme.

You gotta commit resources to bring in talented guys..
 
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Mr teX said:
I dont think anyone disputes its a priority, the pecking order of the many priorities this team has is the disagreement. Im sitting here right now watching matt stafford getting lit up b/c his line cant protect him...this is a guy who once passed for 5k has weapons galore around him...and yet his team has a worse record than ours..

Getting that franchise qb 1st is the flashy thing that everyone likes to do to make them feel all warm and fuzzy about the upcoming season but most teams who make quick turn arounds to be competitive teams build up the trenches first (or already have the o-line in place) and give that young franchise qb a legit shot to be as good as he can be.

We made qb the #1 priority back in 2002 and got that kid pounded into submission...jax, cle, tenn..the same thing.
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Not sure what we're arguing about or why. I think we're on the same page. I listed qb above the ol with the intent of sitting him half a season...not sending him out to slaughter if we have THE QB but no line.
 
powda said:
Not sure what we're arguing about or why. I think we're on the same page. I listed qb above the ol with the intent of sitting him half a season...not sending him out to slaughter if we have THE QB but no line.
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Thats the problem though, noone here is gonna wanna do that...they're gonna want the coach to start whomever it is right away... If for nothing else "hope"... Just like they wanted with mallet..

I agree with you though in terms of developing of a future qb that is..and im not arguing with you man..
 
powda said:
The entire o line is performing poorly because like the rest of this team theyve given up. The hc is responsible for that.

Get a qb
Get people who win in the trenches

Everything else will work itself out.
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That seems to be working out great for the Cowboys now doesn't it? What's their record again?

Mr teX said:
"For a patchwork o-line" lol...Nice use of the qualifier....that should tell you all you need to know about this post of yours...that, and our paltry 2.8 ypa in the run game this season.

Unfortunately, my argument for building up the trenches 1st goes beyond you guys with the franchise qb cures all mentality. The run game which is terrible, would benefit from better o-line play as well as the defense.

Im looking at this from a macro level and your still stuck on discredit-hoyer-at-all-costs attitude.
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Whatever you say dude. I'm all for beefing up the O Line, but a 2.8 YPC in the running game is not all on the O Line. Remember we have had sh!t at RB except for the last two games. Funny how the line looked ok when Foster was toting the rock. Let's face it, the team sucks at every level and the wheels are coming off the cart. In the locker room and on this message board.

Mr teX said:
look at the cowboys...3 1st round talents starting on the o-line...
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How's that working out for them so far?

IMHO you can have pro bowlers at every spot, but if they are not playing as a team, they will look like, well... the Texans. The entire off season was botched, the so called "QB Competition, poor draft, etc., etc., etc. We will never know, but O'Brien lost the team early due to this nonsense, and it's probably too late to get it back.

The quick fix, band-aid approach McNair took was wrong. If you take out the garbage, take it all out and do a full rebuild from the ground up with an experienced NFL coach. O'Brien talks the talk, but cannot walk the walk at this level.
 
Nitrofish said:
That seems to be working out great for the Cowboys now doesn't it? What's their record again?



Whatever you say dude. I'm all for beefing up the O Line, but a 2.8 YPC in the running game is not all on the O Line. Remember we have had sh!t at RB except for the last two games. Funny how the line looked ok when Foster was toting the rock. Let's face it, the team sucks at every level and the wheels are coming off the cart. In the locker room and on this message board.

How's that working out for them so far?
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Nevermind details like their ol isnt performing as well as it did last year or that Romo's been out. Whats your formula for success since you think qb's and linemen are an afterthought?
 
Nitrofish said:
That seems to be working out great for the Cowboys now doesn't it? What's their record again?



Whatever you say dude. I'm all for beefing up the O Line, but a 2.8 YPC in the running game is not all on the O Line. Remember we have had sh!t at RB except for the last two games. Funny how the line looked ok when Foster was toting the rock. Let's face it, the team sucks at every level and the wheels are coming off the cart. In the locker room and on this message board.



How's that working out for them so far?

IMHO you can have pro bowlers at every spot, but if they are not playing as a team, they will look like, well... the Texans. The entire off season was botched, the so called "QB Competition, poor draft, etc., etc., etc. We will never know, but O'Brien lost the team early due to this nonsense, and it's probably too late to get it back.

The quick fix, band-aid approach McNair took was wrong. If you take out the garbage, take it all out and do a full rebuild from the ground up with an experienced NFL coach. O'Brien talks the talk, but cannot walk the walk at this level.
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You're not getting it..the cowboys are sucking b/c their starting qb & stud wr have been out the last 4 weeks..in addition to their injuries mounting on the defensive side of the ball they also had their stud rb leave in FA last year. If they even had a Hoyer level qb under center or someone else that could get open besides Witten they'd probably be fine until Romo or Dez got back b/c they've been running the ball well and have had chances to win all the games they've lost. A stud o-line goes a long way.
 
powda said:
Nevermind details like their ol isnt performing as well as it did last year or that Romo's been out.
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Mr teX said:
You're not getting it..the cowboys are sucking b/c their starting qb & stud wr have been out the last 4 weeks.
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Excuses, excuses. That's the thing, it's always something. If investing in OL is the cure to all ills, then it does not matter who the RB is--obviously that is not true--and it does not matter who the QB is. Give a mediocre QB enough time to throw and he will look like Brady. There are no guarantees in this league. Injuries are part of the game, and every team has them. Look at the Pats line. They did just fine didn't they? Starting two rookies, and moving guys around worse than us. Yet they found a way to win and look good doing it.

For the record as I have said I agree having a solid OL is the best place to start, but when you spend all your attention on the OL your team suffers in some other area. Like life, it about balance. Can't focus on one thing at the expense of the rest of the team.

Truth be told, this team needs to be swept clean, including JJ Watt, and Hopkins so we can get something for them while they worth something. We are not going to win anything on the back of JJ Watt and what good has Hopkins leading the NFL in yards done for us so far?

Clearly we all have different views, and that's fine. But I am not going to concede that Mallett got a fair shot to see what he may or may not be by years end. I think they way he got the hook was shameful, and in my mind still leaves the question open. I understand for some, you've seen enough to condemn him to holding a clipboard somewhere else. But everyone said the same thing about Fitz--including me--and I wish we would have just held on to him instead of bringing Hoyer in here.
 
Nitrofish said:
Excuses, excuses. That's the thing, it's always something. If investing in OL is the cure to all ills, then it does not matter who the RB is--obviously that is not true--and it does not matter who the QB is. Give a mediocre QB enough time to throw and he will look like Brady. There are no guarantees in this league. Injuries are part of the game, and every team has them. Look at the Pats line. They did just fine didn't they? Starting two rookies, and moving guys around worse than us. Yet they found a way to win and look good doing it.

For the record as I have said I agree having a solid OL is the best place to start, but when you spend all your attention on the OL your team suffers in some other area. Like life, it about balance. Can't focus on one thing at the expense of the rest of the team.

Truth be told, this team needs to be swept clean, including JJ Watt, and Hopkins so we can get something for them while they worth something. We are not going to win anything on the back of JJ Watt and what good has Hopkins leading the NFL in yards done for us so far?

Clearly we all have different views, and that's fine. But I am not going to concede that Mallett got a fair shot to see what he may or may not be by years end. I think they way he got the hook was shameful, and in my mind still leaves the question open. I understand for some, you've seen enough to condemn him to holding a clipboard somewhere else. But everyone said the same thing about Fitz--including me--and I wish we would have just held on to him instead of bringing Hoyer in here.
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I read the bulk of this and dont see where we disagree on qb or ol.
 
Corrosion said:
What Mullet brings as the starter ? The #1 pick .... another DL.
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I think the offense responds to a QB they believe in and want to follow. I don't think that can be stressed enough. Last year you could tell that the team didn't really believe in Fitz by the time he was benched. Early in the season they seemed to tentatively be embracing him. It looked to me like "benefit of the doubt" but eventually he was asked to do too much (Maybe even too little. I really think they overprotected him and made him one dimensional) and then the belief in him evaporated. Mallett had been waiting in the wings for a while and they'd all seen that big arm and heard the big talk (all that "trained to lead men" bullshit he was spinning) and when he came in against Cleveland that was a team that believed in him. Even against Cincinnati the next week they were busting ass for him.

Then he went down and Fitz came back and you saw the team rally around him. I think O'Brien just decided to let Fitz ball out at that point (probably figuring the season was lost with Mallett IMO) and then Fitz started to make believers out of the team again. He had us rolling against the Titans and Jaguars and completely in the game in Indy before they broke his leg. Then they brought Keenum back in again to finish the year and the team rallied behind him as well.

Then everything went to **** because I think this year the offense was ready to roll with Fitz/Mallett or Mallett/Fitz from the start. I think you had guys (for better or worse) ready to get behind that and then O'Brien goes and brings in Hoyer who we beat the stink out of last year and who everyone knew was complete crap. Keenum goes out the door (popular respected guy), Fitz goes out the door (popular respected guy), and then the only QB left from 2014 that the team had been excited about gets dicked out of his opportunity right before their eyes.

The team now knows that Mallett isn't the guy and they know that Hoyer isn't going to get it done either. They don't believe in either one of these guys so they aren't going to respond to them and making matters worse I don't think they trust O'Brien anymore either because he's the one who put us where we are right now.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think you had guys (for better or worse) ready to get behind that and then O'Brien goes and brings in Hoyer who we beat the stink out of last year and who everyone knew was complete crap. Keenum goes out the door (popular respected guy), Fitz goes out the door (popular respected guy), and then the only QB left from 2014 that the team had been excited about gets dicked out of his opportunity right before their eyes.
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Don't forget about Dre. Guy wastes an entire career here and is one of the most respected players in
Texans history. Imagine what went through the minds of everyone that has been here for years..

Consider, too, how different this looks to Kubiak players who saw the _exact opposite_. Gary went to
bat for his guys even when they had nothing left in the tank (IE: Schaub, Walter, etc. etc.)

Must be a demoralizing culture shock to those guys to see the way BoB treats the guys that have
battled through the last few seasons..
 
Hervoyel said:
The team now knows that Mallett isn't the guy and they know that Hoyer isn't going to get it done either. They don't believe in either one of these guys so they aren't going to respond to them and making matters worse I don't think they trust O'Brien anymore either because he's the one who put us where we are right now.
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On top of that, how bad is Jalen Strong, XSF, & several other guys that just don't get a chance to play.

Think about it. We say they have issues, but are their issues any worse than the guys who are playing? It's the same thing we're saying with the QB position. Why do we keep throwing Clark in there? Moving Newton to guard? Aboushi? Nate the drop Washington? Not one of them have earned a damn thing in the NFL, but guys the majority of our team probably like... young guys you'd expect to get better with game time, they're getting dogged for doing the same crap these "pros" are not getting dogged for.

Speculation. I have nothing to back this up. Just trying to figure out what's going on with our team.
 
I think we've got a decent oline. To me, the problem is they have zero continuity. OB and crew are constantly moving them around where they have no chance at building any type of chemistry. Rotate RBs, WRs, LBs, etc. all you want, but you can't do that to an oline and expect positive results. This staff has screwed up an oline that was once a strength on this team. Personally, I think they screwed X up from the minute he got here. He might not have turned out great either way, but we'll never know because OB was moving the dude around way too much as a rookie. Doing that to a rookie is just plain dumb, imo
 
Well it almost seems to me like he only has two settings where rookies are concerned. "Throw everything at them and see if they implode" or "Sit them on the bench all year long and pretend they don't exist".
 
Patrick Starr revealed that this is not the 2nd time Mallet has been late.....it's the 3rd.........he was also late for the team bus in Richmond, Virginia.
 
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