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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Watt commands a double team. Wilfork commands a double team. Clowney commands a double team. Wilfork doesn't get the tackles as much, but forces the play toward the other two by stacking the interior. I wonder what will happen when all three are in on a 4-3 look. I think Wilfork was out on every 4-3 look.
 
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I'm wearing my steel blue Clowney jersey today. A good friend of mine (and co-worker) is from NC and is a huge Panthers fan. Preparing him for what he's going to be seeing on Sunday. #90 all in Newton's grill.
 
Jadeveon Clowney's return to face Panthers creates buzz in hometown

ROCK HILL, S.C. -- The barber's pole at Jazzy Cuts is missing the stripes. The neon sign identifying the shop's name has been put out by vandals. Iron bars cover the windows.

The place looks to be vacated.

But inside the four-chair shop on the edge of this sleepy town, about 30 minutes from Charlotte, North Carolina, there's a buzz.

Not the sound of electric clippers.

The buzz is about Rock Hill hero Jadeveon Clowney coming home for Sunday's game against the Carolina Panthers at Bank of America Stadium.

"We're ready to get at him," Ike Hemphill said of Clowney, a Houston Texans linebacker. "After we beat him, we'll give him a handshake and send him on back to Houston."

Hemphill, 41, is a Panthers fan. He appears to be one of the few people from Rock Hill who won't be cheering for Clowney on Sunday.

"He's the man around here," said Jazzy Clips owner James Hope, who began trimming Clowney's hair long before he had the signature dreadlocks. "Everybody is trying to get in the stadium."

You don't have to remind Clowney, who at 6-foot-6, 267 pounds is so big that Hope can't pump his barber chair low enough to get the former South Pointe High star's head at the normal cutting level.

Clowney has been getting ticket requests night and day.

"About 30 to 40," Clowney said earlier this week. "My whole check's gone.”

For many in Rock Hill, it will be the first opportunity to see the first pick of the 2014 NFL draft in person since his final season at the University of South Carolina, about an hour away in Columbia.

"It's a good feeling when you know you have people counting on you, looking up to you and kids looking up to me," said Clowney, who had four tackles, one for a loss, in Houston's season-opening loss to Kansas City. "It's going to be great to come back home and play in front of those guys and people from back home."

Clowney's father, David Morgan, won't be in attendance. Morgan is in the York County Detention Center, facing two counts of attempted murder and weapons charges for allegedly shooting at a Rock Hill strip club employee in August.

Clowney hasn't seen or talked to his father since the incident. There are no plans to try to visit him on his trip to Charlotte.

"Of course, I was disappointed and sad for him because that is my dad, for one," said Clowney, whose father previously spent almost 12 years in prison for second-degree burglary. "You don't want anything to happen to anyone in your family.

"There's nothing I can do about it. I have to keep doing what I can do and take care of what I can take care of."

Clowney's mother, Josenna, will be at Sunday's game, just as she was the Texans' opener in Houston. She just won't have a long commute, coming from the new home in Rock Hill that her son built for her.

And she won't be wearing her Panthers garb as she did before Clowney joined the NFL.

"I'm wearing my Clowney jersey, honey," Josenna said. "Clowney all the way."

Josenna has been dealing with ticket requests as well. Her son's return has created the type of buzz normally felt in this town of 69,103 on a high school football Friday night.

Per capita, few towns in the country can lay claim to more NFL players. Five from Rock Hill, including Clowney and Houston teammate Johnathan Joseph, played at least one snap during the opening weekend. According to ESPN Stats and Information, that ranks 16th. Of the top 15, all but Suwannee, Georgia, have a population greater than 100,000.

Last year marked the third consecutive NFL draft with a first-round pick from Rock Hill: Clowney (2014), Vikings wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson ('13) and Bills cornerback Stephon Gilmore ('12).

But nobody these days is bigger than Clowney, whose rookie season was limited to four games by injuries, the most serious a knee injury that required microfracture surgery.

"It's almost like a breath of fresh air that he's overcome these injuries and back to playing football again," said Bobby Carroll, Clowney's high school coach.

Carroll will be at the game. He already has requested field passes so he can talk to Clowney and Joseph before the game.

But it won't be anything like the first time Carroll met Clowney. "When he walked into the weight room the summer of his freshman year, I did a double take," Carroll said. "We all did."

Clowney doesn't stand out as much as he did then. He sometimes gets overlooked, with two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year J.J. Watt on the other side of the line at 6-foot-5, 288 pounds.

But in Rock Hill, Clowney's exploits are as legendary as those of Watt in the NFL.

"Every game on the high school level for Jadeveon was like a highlight film," South Pointe principal Dr. Al Leonard said. "It was just amazing."

That's why there's a buzz at Jazzy Cuts and all over Rock Hill.

"Everybody around here pretty much pulls for the Panthers," said Hope, who grew up a Dallas fan and still cheers for the Cowboys. "You got to go with the home team.

"But on Sunday they've got to cheer for Clowney. He's the man around here."​
 
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Jadeveon Clowney says he still has 'a long way to go'
By Aaron Wilson

The distance from the hardscrabble street where Jadeveon Clowney grew up and became an iconic high school football player to the Carolina Panthers' stadium is just 27 miles.

Although traveling from Carolina Avenue in Clowney's hometown of Rock Hill, S.C. to Bank of America Stadium in downtown Charlotte, N.C., is only a short drive, it's been a challenging life journey for the Texans' towering outside linebacker to reach this point as an NFL player who holds vast potential.

Clowney has endured microfracture knee surgery, a less serious meniscus knee procedure along with a sports hernia surgery over the past year. Clowney avoided the trouble in Rock Hill that found many of his friends along with his imprisoned father, David "Chilli Bean" Morgan.

And Clowney has adeptly dealt with the hype and scrutiny that accompanies being a celebrated top overall pick out of South Carolina famous for a crushing tackle on Michigan running back Vincent Smith where the impact of the blow sent his helmet flying through the air.

As the owner of a fully guaranteed $22.272 million contract that included a $14.518 million signing bonus, Clowney is learning how to deal with the business of sports, including endorsements and investments.

Little, if anything, ever seems to faze Clowney, a playful, laid-back, dread-locked 22-year-old who's a natural at compartmentalizing his life and football. Clowney acknowledged he'll probably take a short moment before kickoff Sunday against the Panthers to reflect on how far he's come.

"Yeah, but I've still got a long way to go," Clowney said. "I've got to still keep getting better and better. My game is coming around. I'm working harder than I ever did, but I've got a long way to go. I'm always happy regardless of what's going on. I stay happy."

Raised by a single mother, Josenna Clowney, who worked double shifts at a local Frito-Lay factory, Jadeveon Clowney has an easy smile and enjoys pulling pranks on Texans teammates. That includes sticking pencils in the seat of middle linebacker Brian Cushing in the linebacker meeting room.

Nicknamed everything from JD, an abbreviation of his name, to Doo-Doo after an old rap song his mother liked, to simply being called by his last name, Clowney grew up in rough circumstances. His mother worked tirelessly to put food on the table, shoes on his feet and clothes on his back, nurturing her son while he became a legendary high school player who excelled as an unusually tall tailback while doubling as an uncommonly dominant pass rusher.

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Raised in a town with a population of roughly 68,000, Clowney started playing football at a young age and was so much bigger than his fellow youngsters that his coaches kept copies of his birth certificate handy in case they were challenged about how old he was.

"Jadeveon is just a good dude," said Bobby Carroll, Clowney's high school football coach at South Pointe High School where he became an All-American high school player whose highlight tape remains a viral Internet sensation. "He defied the odds. He could have used all kinds of excuses about his home life. His mother and grandfather worked extremely hard to raise him, and it's all paid off.

"It's an American success story. When mom's at work, there's a lot of idle time, but Clowney stayed active in sports. It will be such a proud moment Sunday. It's a dream come true."

Clowney's father is a convicted felon who served almost a dozen years in prison for robbing a check cashing business when his son was 2. When his father was released from prison, Clowney was 14 and they spent time together and began to build a bond.

David Morgan remains in jail without bond after being arrested and charged with attempted murder and weapons charges after being arrested after an Aug. 4 shooting at a Rock Hill strip club. Morgan allegedly got into a confrontation with a strip club employee after being ordered to get off the stage. Morgan and the employee exchanged several rounds of gunfire in the parking lot with Morgan sustaining a gunshot wound in his shoulder, according to police reports.

"Of course I was disappointed, sad for him because that's my dad, for one, and you don't want nothing like that to happen to nobody in your family," Clowney said this week. "He's in the situation. There's nothing I can do about it. I've just got to keep doing what I can do, take care of what I can take care of."

With his father absent for most of his childhood, Clowney's cousin, Jemel, became a guiding figure for him. Unfortunately, his cousin is also now in jail.

Clowney said he maintained his focus on school and sports to avoid problems.

"I ran with a group of guys, some guys wound up in jail, some wound up getting shot," Clowney said. "For some reason, I just kept making it higher and higher in life and I'm doing fine.

"It was rough. I grew up and my dad wasn't there. My older cousin took his place. I grew up wanting to be just like him. I turned out pretty good."

Marty Sumichrast is a longtime family friend and mentor to Clowney. He first met him when Clowney was a sophomore in high school, describing him as a tall, scrawny kid still finding his way.

Sumichrast likes to tell friends he has four kids in Charlotte, and that his fifth child lives in Houston. He characterizes Clowney as an old-school Southern gentleman.

"For all that he's gone through, to do what he's done is unbelievable," said Sumichrast, who advises Clowney on everything from life to financial matters. "The reality is that, as great a football player as he is, he's a better person. I'm the gatekeeper. I'm the guy who says, 'No.' I think JD has the potential to be a hell of a businessman. He has that it factor.'

When he's seeking advice, Clowney doesn't hesitate to dial up mentors and father figures like Carroll, Sumichrast and his agent, Bus Cook, who's also represented Brett Favre, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson and Steve McNair.

"They're going to take the time to listen to me and give me their opinion," Clowney said. "They're never going to lead me in a bad direction. I lean on them."

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At 6-6 and a lean 270 pounds, Clowney has uncanny speed, having run the 40-yard dash in 4.53 seconds at the NFL scouting combine. He's gained roughly five pounds of muscle over the past year.

"I feel a lot stronger," he said. "I still feel as fast I have been."

Clowney's rookie season was an exercise in frustration as a myriad of injuries limited him to seven tackles in four games. He's still hunting his first NFL sack after recording 24 sacks and 47 tackles for losses in three seasons for the Gamecocks.

Because of his rare size, speed, explosiveness and aggressive nature, Clowney is regarded as one the most gifted defensive prospects to enter the NFL in decades.

"He's got tremendous size, ability, speed," Texans defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel said. "All those things that can make for a great player."

Because of his injury that kept him out during the preseason and offseason while he strengthened his knee, Clowney was limited to 30 snaps against the Chiefs. His workload is slated to increase against Carolina.

Clowney had four tackles with one for a loss last Sunday in a loss to the Chiefs that marked his first game back from the microfracture surgery he underwent in December. Now, he's taking aim at Panthers star quarterback Cam Newton.

"I'd like to make some plays, get some sacks," Clowney said. "I've been waiting for my first sack. Hopefully, I can get one. Tackle for a loss, force a fumble, hopefully something big, and something that will change the game."

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Known for his humble nature, Clowney counts on his his longtime girlfriend, Najah Martin, to keep him in line if he ever acts the slightest bit cocky.

"My family keeps me humble," Clowney said. "They will say something to me and my girl will stay something to me if she thinks I'm stepping out of line. I'm just laid-back."

Now, the big kid is about to become a father. His girlfriend is pregnant and is expecting a son. Choosing a name is still a topic for debate.

"We are trying to figure out if he's going to be a junior or if we're going to give him his own name," Clowney said. "Even if his has his own name, he'll still have big shoes to fill. I think being a father will change me a lot. I don't ever want him to see me do anything bad or treat his mama any type of way but respectfully."​
 
Great article by Aaron Wilson, thanks for posting it PO. Yea Clowney has got a big talent, and a big personality. And he also sounds like a real survivor.
 
Something I haven't seen from JD ever, I think, and I've watched all of his college snaps.

JD never had to bend the edge because his was so physically superior to college players, but it's something he needed to learn to succeed in the NFL. Football people tell me it's not often you see "stand up" rushers learn to bend after going from college to pro, mostly because if they could've physically accomplished the move they already would have.

It's hard to capture in a still shot, but I saw JD flatten the arc a couple of times v. CAR. He hasn't mastered anything by any means, but he's adding to his tool chest... and this is an important tool to have...

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The kid is and will be getting better. Results will follow.

I also noticed CAR began double-teaming JD some as the game went on.
 
18 regular season games since he was drafted, and still not a single sack from this guy. I'm tired of hearing about his minimal improvements as the 1st pick of the draft. He needs to start making an impact NOW, .because this team needs it BAD
 
He just played in his sixth game. What's with the spin?

I don't care how many games he has played or not played. He was the #1 pick of the draft and the mistake of selecting him anywhere near the top 10 is still hurting this team in a lot of other needy positions. You go right on ahead and excuse this guy's lack lack of an impact still all you want, but he's got high expectations being that guy. He had them in college, and failed already then. He has a lot to answer to.
 
I don't care how many games he has played or not played. He was the #1 pick of the draft and the mistake of selecting him anywhere near the top 10 is still hurting this team in a lot of other needy positions. You go right on ahead and excuse this guy's lack lack of an impact still all you want, but he's got high expectations being that guy. He had them in college, and failed already then. He has a lot to answer to.

How many games a guy has played in kind of go hand in hand when bringing up stats, which you did.

And you're talking about excusing Clowney's missed time as though the unjury was something unjustified. That's silly.

In two games back he's contributed and looked good already. This ball is rolling and I don't see what's to fuss about.
 
I've lost count of the number of things Texecutioner has grown tired of hearing about but honestly, how can anyone complain about someone's production and then say they don't care how many games he has played or not played? It's not like this is irrelevant or something. Injuries happen and they delay progress. There's not a player who ever walked the earth who wouldn't have their development slowed by this injury at this time in his career.

It's one thing to be disappointed in how things turned out. Who wouldn't be? I'm sure Clowney had a different story mapped out too in his mind. Didn't work out that way but there's still a glimmer of hope.
 
Clowney had bone spurs and was an injury risk before before we ever drafted him. He also had a reputation of having poor work ethics. Injury or no injuries, the fact that he's been a disappointment and pretty much a no show isn't that surprising for folks who didn't get drunk off of the ESPN hype machine before that stinking draft of the Texans. He'll have these expectations of making impact plays every time he is out there based on the investment that was made in him and what we passed up to put this guy on this team. You want to keep diapers on him for his entire career and be happy just to see him out there, then go right on ahead. But don't expect others to have your same patience and love for a guy who fooled the scouts of the draft and especially this franchise. Again, 18 regular season games since he was drafted and not a single sack. That is the hard truth. Whether injuries have boggled him down or not, he's been a no show here and that won't be acceptable as the 1st pick of the draft when this team needed a QB desperately. He needs to earn his keep NOW.
 
I've lost count of the number of things Texecutioner has grown tired of hearing about but honestly, how can anyone complain about someone's production and then say they don't care how many games he has played or not played? It's not like this is irrelevant or something. Injuries happen and they delay progress. There's not a player who ever walked the earth who wouldn't have their development slowed by this injury at this time in his career.

It's one thing to be disappointed in how things turned out. Who wouldn't be? I'm sure Clowney had a different story mapped out too in his mind. Didn't work out that way but there's still a glimmer of hope.


Clowney was a high risk pick from the beginning. Ignore that all you want, but he was highly questionable and many of us raised those questions. Many talking heads raised those questions. You're seeing what a many of us were worried about which is a guy who was not worth a top 10 pick let alone the #1 pick. You act like we got some QB right now or something that can lead this team. Our ferocious Clowney is a huge reason why we don't. We wanted this dude. God forbid, he is actually expected to become an impact player with all that invested in him.
 
18 regular season games since he was drafted, and still not a single sack from this guy. I'm tired of hearing about his minimal improvements as the 1st pick of the draft. He needs to start making an impact NOW, .because this team needs it BAD

In Watt's first 6 games, he only had one sack, and he played just about every snap and didn't have to deal with the injury issues Clowney has.
 
Clowney was a high risk pick from the beginning. Ignore that all you want, but he was highly questionable and many of us raised those questions. Many talking heads raised those questions. You're seeing what a many of us were worried about which is a guy who was not worth a top 10 pick let alone the #1 pick. You act like we got some QB right now or something that can lead this team. Our ferocious Clowney is a huge reason why we don't. We wanted this dude. God forbid, he is actually expected to become an impact player with all that invested in him.

Don't think anyone is saying he isn't expected to be an impact player, but the reality of the situation is he got hurt and didn't play much his rookie season. If you want to complain about us picking him top 10, you are in the wrong thread. There is a Rick Smith thread for that. Clowney didn't pick himself nor did he ignore his injuries. Don't misplace your frustrations. The guy is working hard to become an impact player for us, unfortunately we need to have patience this season.
 
Clowney was a high risk pick from the beginning. Ignore that all you want, but he was highly questionable and many of us raised those questions. Many talking heads raised those questions. You're seeing what a many of us were worried about which is a guy who was not worth a top 10 pick let alone the #1 pick. You act like we got some QB right now or something that can lead this team. Our ferocious Clowney is a huge reason why we don't. We wanted this dude. God forbid, he is actually expected to become an impact player with all that invested in him.

This may be a newsflash to you... but ALL #1 picks are risky. Just look at the #1 picks from the last 10 seasons. Only Luck was the consensus top pick that presented very little risk. Jake Long was looked at as a sure-fire stud, which he was for a few years, but now can barely make a team because of injuries.
 
This may be a newsflash to you... but ALL #1 picks are risky. Just look at the #1 picks from the last 10 seasons. Only Luck was the consensus top pick that presented very little risk. Jake Long was looked at as a sure-fire stud, which he was for a few years, but now can barely make a team because of injuries.

Again, you guys pamper thus guy all you want, but he had problems written all over him heading into the draft, and all he has been here is a problem. His ex coaches warned the league of this, and we're the ones who drafted him with an egg on our face. How it has happened can certainly be debated, but what can't be debated is if anyone would rather have gone with another pick at this point. Just because some of you didn't see the potential hazards of picking Clowney doesn't mean the indicators weren't all over the place. His bone spurs that were talked about as possibly flaring up and causing other potential problems were existent and brought up as a concern. Those bone spurs were talked about quite a bit in the Clowney threads before the draft when folks in here actually bought that stuff about him being the next Lawrence Taylor of this generation.
 
Again, you guys pamper thus guy all you want, but he had problems written all over him heading into the draft, and all he has been here is a problem. His ex coaches warned the league of this, and we're the ones who drafted him with an egg on our face. How it has happened can certainly be debated, but what can't be debated is if anyone would rather have gone with another pick at this point. Just because some of you didn't see the potential hazards of picking Clowney doesn't mean the indicators weren't all over the place. His bone spurs that were talked about as possibly flaring up and causing other potential problems were existent and brought up as a concern. Those bone spurs were talked about quite a bit in the Clowney threads before the draft when folks in here actually bought that stuff about him being the next Lawrence Taylor of this generation.

Sounds like to me the Bone Spurs are a myth, or surely they would have been taken care of during this whole mess. Clearly his so called work ethic problem has been answered with his return to playing already. I mean who falls for propaganda spewed by agents who want their client to be drafted number one overall so they start all these rumors about the consensus #1 pick? His coaches NEVER warned anyone about anything. Spurrier said he was fine, and only said he was not as good as two other players who have not amounted to squat so far even with their alleged superior work ethic.

Clowney's return to playing action, and visible improvement over the first two games has emphatically destroyed any work ethic narrative, so you can drop that nonsense, as well as the bone spurs rumors. Every team in the league would have drafted Clowney #1 without question.
 
Sounds like to me the Bone Spurs are a myth, or surely they would have been taken care of during this whole mess. Clearly his so called work ethic problem has been answered with his return to playing already. I mean who falls for propaganda spewed by agents who want their client to be drafted number one overall so they start all these rumors about the consensus #1 pick? His coaches NEVER warned anyone about anything. Spurrier said he was fine, and only said he was not as good as two other players who have not amounted to squat so far even with their alleged superior work ethic.

Clowney's return to playing action, and visible improvement over the first two games has emphatically destroyed any work ethic narrative, so you can drop that nonsense, as well as the bone spurs rumors. Every team in the league would have drafted Clowney #1 without question.

You can still play when you're lazy, just not as well if you weren't.
 
You can still play when you're lazy, just not as well if you weren't.
There is no way someone who is lazy comes back from that surgery this soon and has this kind of impact. I do not see a lazy player, nor have I since he has become a Texan. I don't give two shits about what he did in college. I will judge Clowney based on what he does as a Texan. His recovery from surgery has boosted my confidence in him, and I see an improving player that will make an impact given time to get his feet under him.
 
18 regular season games since he was drafted, and still not a single sack from this guy. I'm tired of hearing about his minimal improvements as the 1st pick of the draft. He needs to start making an impact NOW, .because this team needs it BAD

He made all kinds of impact in both games this season. Were you not watching?
 
Sooooo....

What are we thinking about Clowney after 3 games?

Seems solid without setting the world on fire, is this who he is, or is he still working back from injury and the best is yet to come?
 
The way I see it, he's 3 games into his rookie year. Still playing limited snaps, albeit more and more, and learning to play OLB and DE. Give it time...that's what I'm telling myself. He still has that lightning fast first step. Just trying to piece it together still.
 
You can see the talent and the athleticism. He still has a lot to learn. He was getting caught up in the wash with the pass rush a lot yesterday, but so was Watt. I suspect that may have been to keep Winston in the pocket after how many times Newton burned us last week.
 
The way I see it, he's 3 games into his rookie year. Still playing limited snaps, albeit more and more, and learning to play OLB and DE. Give it time...that's what I'm telling myself. He still has that lightning fast first step. Just trying to piece it together still.
That's basically my take, except it appears his playing time has been elevated from limited snaps because he seemed to be in the game for most of the plays yesterday if I'm not mistaken ? And of course he had no preseason, so it's gonna be slow progress for him because this is as close as he gotten to preseason in 2015.
 
Clowney was JAG in yesterday's game. I would trade the Texans situation with having Watt for Tampa Bay's with Winston any day of the week. The Texans 2014 draft is one of the worst drafts ever for a team with the first pick in each round. Texecutioner is right. Not surprising that the same set of sunshine pumpers trying to rip into him like they do with both me and Texian.
 
Clowney was JAG in yesterday's game. I would trade the Texans situation with having Watt for Tampa Bay's with Winston any day of the week. The Texans 2014 draft is one of the worst drafts ever for a team with the first pick in each round. Texecutioner is right. Not surprising that the same set of sunshine pumpers trying to rip into him like they do with both me and Texian.
I would trade Watt staight up for Winston even though Winston now looks like something other than the best QB in this years draft. TB was just real fortunate just like the Colts were a couple years ago in the Luck Draft, just as we were not in getting one of those QBs in our 2014 Draft.
Re your JAG shot at Clowney, he's basically still in the preseason of his rookie year right now for all practical purposes.
 
I would trade Watt staight up for Winston even though Winston now looks like something other than the best QB in this years draft. TB was just real fortunate just like the Colts were a couple years ago in the Luck Draft, just as we were not in getting one of those QBs in our 2014 Draft.
Re your JAG shot at Clowney, he's basically still in the preseason of his rookie year right now for all practical purposes.

3 games into his rookie season, barely throwing 50% and as many INT's as TD's, and you would trade the best player in football straight up for him? Please tell me I missed the sarcasm emoticon/font...
 
3 games into his rookie season, barely throwing 50% and as many INT's as TD's, and you would trade the best player in football straight up for him? Please tell me I missed the sarcasm emoticon/font...
You are delusional if you wouldn't trade Watt for Winston straight up. A top QB prospect is worth more than what Watt brings to the table. Hell, he is worth more than 2 Watts. Good QB play, which we never have had except from 2009-until Schaub got hurt in 2011 is just infinitely more valuable than what Watt can bring.
 
Watt had an incredible year in 2014. If he was a QB and had an incredible year we would be a Super Bowl contending team. It's no knock against Watt. It's just a defensive lineman has a much more limited impact on a game compared to a QB. That is just reality.
 
You are delusional if you wouldn't trade Watt for Winston straight up. A top QB prospect is worth more than what Watt brings to the table. Hell, he is worth more than 2 Watts. Good QB play, which we never have had except from 2009-until Schaub got hurt in 2011 is just infinitely more valuable than what Watt can bring.

A top QB yes. A top QB prospect, rarely.

Watt had an incredible year in 2014. If he was a QB and had an incredible year we would be a Super Bowl contending team. It's no knock against Watt. It's just a defensive lineman has a much more limited impact on a game compared to a QB. That is just reality.

Without Watt last year even with good QB play we would not have been a contender.
 
You are delusional if you wouldn't trade Watt for Winston straight up. A top QB prospect is worth more than what Watt brings to the table. Hell, he is worth more than 2 Watts. Good QB play, which we never have had except from 2009-until Schaub got hurt in 2011 is just infinitely more valuable than what Watt can bring.
Jameis Winston had a lot of off-the-field baggage (mostly character issues) at Florida State. His sexual assault charges were dropped but stealing crab legs, shouting profanities in the middle of campus. Well okay, maybe he was just a dumb kid being a dumb kid. But even former Florida State icon and legend, Bobby Bowden, called Jameis Winston an embarrassment to the school and alumni.

With all due respect, and he certainly is talented and I'm glad to see he has quickly matured during his brief time in the NFL, I don't think Bob McNair would have given the green light to have drafted him even if we had the first overall pick. Perhaps we'd have drafted Marcus Mariota. That's a great kid, on and off the field.

But totally agree with how unlucky we are. We had the 1st overall pick the year before but there certainly wasn't an Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Carson Palmer, or even a Marcus Mariota type talent, who you could clearly say was a sure fire lock to be the top pick.

J.J. Watt is everything that is right with the entire NFL and Houston Texans. I wouldn't trade him for any player. He is worth so much more than Jameis Winston. Tampa Bay could offer us Jameis Winston and two future first-round picks and I'd still say now.

The Panthers could offer us Cam Newton for J.J.Watt and I'd still decline that offer. Now if the Packers offered us Aaron Rodgers for J.J. Watt, I would have to think about it long and hard for the night before I gave them an answer.

If only we had drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Travis Johnson, way back when... We'd have about one or two Super Bowl victories in our pockets, and we'd still be a legitimate Super Bowl Contender. The Houston Texans are just a day late and a dollar short, missed opportunities in past drafts, that's all it is. We had blind faith in David Carr for too long.

You don't trade J.J. Watt, our best draft pick ever (sorry Andre Johnson) just because we messed up and didn't draft a future Hall of Fame quarterback when in position to do so. All we have to do is draft a quarterback with whatever first-round pick we may have in the 2016 NFL Draft, and hope we find some gold. Take our chances. Trading for a quarterback is a dumb idea.

I'm as frustrated as everybody else but it is what it is. We have to just live with it.
 
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You are delusional if you wouldn't trade Watt for Winston straight up. A top QB prospect is worth more than what Watt brings to the table. Hell, he is worth more than 2 Watts. Good QB play, which we never have had except from 2009-until Schaub got hurt in 2011 is just infinitely more valuable than what Watt can bring.
I rarely ever agree with TexansFight, but I would definitely consider this trade. I believe Watt is the BEST player in this league... but unfortunately he's a DL. On paper, Jameis had a bad game yesterday, but I admit I was impressed with what I saw.
 
You are delusional if you wouldn't trade Watt for Winston straight up. A top QB prospect is worth more than what Watt brings to the table. Hell, he is worth more than 2 Watts. Good QB play, which we never have had except from 2009-until Schaub got hurt in 2011 is just infinitely more valuable than what Watt can bring.

Watt had an incredible year in 2014. If he was a QB and had an incredible year we would be a Super Bowl contending team. It's no knock against Watt. It's just a defensive lineman has a much more limited impact on a game compared to a QB. That is just reality.

A QB having an incredible year on par to Jj Watt's 2014 is nothing at all like a top QB prospect having a good year.

I'd trade Jj Watt straight up for an established top QB in the league; Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees.... but I'm not trading him for Marcus Mariota, Jamies Winston, or Teddy Bridgewater. That's insane. There is no guarantee those guys can help you win a game on par to what Jj Watt does.

For all we know, those guys are the next Matthew Stafford or Ryan Tannehill.
 
With all due respect, and he certainly is talented and I'm glad to see he has quickly matured during his brief time in the NFL...

Did you see his post game interview, when they asked him about the kicker? That was class. Very "face of the franchise" kind of answer.
 
A QB having an incredible year on par to Jj Watt's 2014 is nothing at all like a top QB prospect having a good year.

I'd trade Jj Watt straight up for an established top QB in the league; Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees.... but I'm not trading him for Marcus Mariota, Jamies Winston, or Teddy Bridgewater. That's insane. There is no guarantee those guys can help you win a game on par to what Jj Watt does.

For all we know, those guys are the next Matthew Stafford or Ryan Tannehill.
Anything changed in the first 3 weeks of their rookie season that makes you say you would not have traded Watt for the 1st pick of the 2015 Draft ? Not for me, I think they are both worth the gamble and you are right it's a big, big gamble but getting a franchise QB is the only way a team ever gets to the promised land. Watt won't take the Texans or any team to a SB, he's a mere mortal (a non-QB), no matter how good he might be. You are right to feel safe and secure with JJ because there's no downside with him now, but the down side is always huge drafting a QB so high. But you have got to pay for the opportunity to play with the big boys.
 
Anything changed in the first 3 weeks of their rookie season that makes you say you would not have traded Watt for the 1st pick of the 2015 Draft ? Not for me, I think they are both worth the gamble and you are right it's a big, big gamble but getting a franchise QB is the only way a team ever gets to the promised land. Watt won't take the Texans or any team to a SB, he's a mere mortal (a non-QB), no matter how good he might be.

Without a damn good defense, Eli & Flacco never get to the play offs. Never get to the promised land.

& I believe it was a defensive play that won the last three Super Bowls.
 
There are only two QBs in the league today worthy of my consideration to trade JJ Watt, Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson. Now since this is a Clowney thread, Yes I would trade Clowney for Rodgers, Ryans, Mariota, Winston, Bortles, Bridgewater, Garrapolo or Carr.
 
Yes, he'll be 32 and has 4-5 good years left, if he plays that long.

I see the concern. But he's 31 right now, given the examples of Brady 38, Brees 36 and Manning 39 he could easily play another 7 years.

JJ is 26. Odds are he doesn't play long after 33.
 
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