sandman
Brexit Advisor
Maybe he was crying because he overslept after banging Bortles' girl and was late for jury duty?
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Maybe he was crying because he overslept after banging Bortles' girl and was late for jury duty?
Other than the fact that even John McClain can find out if he had Jury duty or not. Other than that, sounds like complete & utter Bullpucky
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Don't recall the pot sweetening ever being reported.
May be tea leaves but I think that's close. And it might be part of Mallett's anger.
And then there's the possibility (totally speculation) that somewhere along the line someone uttered the NFL truism that you don't lose your spot to injury giving Mallett the impression it was his spot to lose rather than he'd be given a shot to unseat a different presumed starter.
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25lighters
Noob
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5odzso&s=8#.VeBXQINOmSw
Are you watching or just listening to the announcer? Compared to hoyer he's a windmill.
Let me get this straight. He overslept, woke up late, decided to open his mail for the first time in a month before rushing to practice, found out he had jury duty, told O'Bien who sent him off.
That doesn't sound right.
He knew he had jury duty, neglected to tell O'Brien until the day of, went in late to inform the coach he had jury duty that day. O'Brien sends him off.
That isn't too solid either.
Maybe he told OBrien about jury duty weeks ago, overslept and showed up late. O'Brien says, "Dude, isn't today the day you have jury duty?" And sends him off.
Uh huh.
Maybe he went to jury duty in the morning, was released from that duty immediately, went to practice where O'Brien gave him the rest of the day off.
Hmm.
Speculating does kill some time.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well the announcer doesn't say anything about the length of his wind up. You think you can figure out the answer to your question with that hint?
PapaL
Loose Screw
And banged Bortles gf in-between trip to the courthouse and practice!
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
I might have missed it, and my bad if I did... I only saw the updated link that said something along the lines of Update:He had jury duty. Did they confirm he actually had jury duty? If so, I'll shut my yapper, I've been wrong before...
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
If that's part of it, then again mallet has no one to blame but himself.
25lighters
Noob
I've got a bit of a learning curve with this forums functions. never the less, i know when I'm being trolled
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yeah someone effectively saying 'if it's a dead heat the job is yours' is all on the listener.
You're going to hurt your back.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I've got a bit of a learning curve with this forums functions. never the less, i know when I'm being trolled
No, you're being disagreed with (and mocked for a silly response).
What's that still show? - that Mallett pushes off with his foot. Duh, QBs are supposed to do that. But foot is separate from windup. You said he has a long windup - he doesn't. It's not sideways, he doesn't bring it excessively back, he doesn't arch his back to try to get extra power in his throws. His upper body and motion is as compact as a just shy of 6'7" guy can be. As sandman mentions, maybe his gangly height is messing you up.
And (now the commentator did talk about this) his power comes not from his back foot but from the wrist velocity he achieves.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I've got a bit of a learning curve with this forums functions. never the less, i know when I'm being trolled
Isn't the difference more about their size than their mechanics? Mallett has 5 inches in height and almost 2.5 inches in arm length on Hoyer. He will look more compact and have a lower release point.
I've heard (take that with a grain of salt as I do live in London) that Mallett's footwork still needs to improve and he tends to use a lot of arm strength.
25lighters
Noob
Are we not comparing mallet vs hoyer? Hoyers is sidearmed and snaps his passes out. Mallet winds up and loops over the top. Yes I'm being trolled. I do it on the other forum to noobs. 
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Are we not comparing mallet vs hoyer? Hoyers is sidearmed and snaps his passes out. Mallet winds up and loops over the top. Yes I'm being trolled. I do it on the other forum to noobs.
You're going to have a hard time here if you think this is being trolled.
'Loops over the top' demonstrates you don't know proper throwing mechanics. That's what the little diagrams they teach people with look like.
And Hoyer is not significantly sidearmed.
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Playoffs
Hall of Fame
100% false.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
My son is a very rangy 6'4" and 200lbs. He was built to be in the sport of his choice: track cycling. He more than held his own in the weight room with the football players and in competition on a bike, but everything he did looked exaggerated (and slow) because he has extra long arms and legs. Many times people wondered how he could be winning races when it looked like he was moving slower than everyone else. Gangly does mess with the mind.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
So it is your opinion that Mallett's agent opted to turn down more money from a club that is as desperate, if not more than the Texans all so Mallet could prove he is worth a big contract? That's absurd. I'm pretty sure the agent would pick up on the fact that the Texans didn't really want him and would have taken the money and a real shot to start with the Jets. The fact is we are all speculating what was promised, or dangled, etc. We are never going to know the truth.
I don't know who Mallett's agent is, but I think it's safe to assume he's no fool. His pay is a percentage of whatever Mallett earns, so he is going to be motivated by the longer term, higher salary offer. Furthermore I find it hard to believe that O'Brien would be getting upset as he was about the media running down his QB's if he thought Mallett was unworthy. It's childish to believe that they did not really want Mallett and he forced his way onto the team anyway which is what is being suggested.
In my opinion is simply boils down to game experience, and that was something Mallett was never going to be able to overcome. All of these other theories are silly. The only way Mallett was going to win the job was if he played like Brady, and I think we all know that was never going to happen. There was never a real competition, and Mallett has every right to be disappointed and angry. Maybe he is angry at himself for failing to do enough. You guys wouldn't know because you are too busy assuming he meant he was angry at the Texans or O'Brien.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Did I say it was 100% true? Saw an article, passed it along.
What info do you have to dispute this rumor? Besides another rumor.
25lighters
Noob
Sure just ignore the pic. Ill trust my eyes. You defending mallet so hard, to a comparision, not a criticism, probably means youwanted him to start. Fyi i wanted him to start too.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not 'defending' Mallett. I just think your assertion was wrong. I'd say their arm motions are a push. sandman nailed it IMO - Mallett looks like the gangly tall dude he is and that can be deceptive at times.
And yeah I want Mallett to start.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I must not know what sidearm means.
They haven't. I'm just saying if they're going to tell a lie, they wouldn't tell one that's this easy to prove/disprove.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
1) I know what happened.
2) That story was based on a joking tweet.
3) From your own link: A previous version of this story incorrectly cited this tweet, saying Mallett missed practice for jury duty. That information was wrong. The Houston Chronicle's John McClain correctly reported that Mallett overslept.
Tilt your head to the right.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think you're both half right.
I'm not buying that OB doesn't think Mallett could start. I do think not matching the Jets offer shows the team was less than enthusiastic - they wanted Mallett, but it was no big deal if they didn't get him.
And this happened at the exact time they were over-paying Hoyer. So the handwriting was on the wall in March before ball one was thrown by either.
I wonder if we could have paid the same amount for Hoyer that we did for Mallett? Was there any interest from anybody else?
Tilt your head to the right.
Thanks!
sandman
Brexit Advisor
All that matters to me is the Browns were ready to move on from him. THE BROWNS.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I don't remember any. As TK points out, Hoyer was coming off a 2 year $1.9 mil contract. He had not played as well as Fitz who got a Mallet contract 2 year $7.25 mil. McCown went in as a starter making $550k/yr less.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Isn't the BROWNS moving on from someone actually an endorsement?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Has it ever worked out for a QB they've moved on from? I think DB answered that with a resounding no.
And it isn't just the Browns.
The Steelers moved on from him, then the Cardinals, then the Browns.
I was about to post the same thing. Hoyer would be the first.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'd say we have had a bunch of above average backups going back to Rosenfels. At starter, squat other than Schaub.
25lighters
Noob
25lighters
Noob
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I agree...but what does it say about Mallet if he can't clearly beat out a "mediocre" Hoyer?
The unknown isn't a good enough reason to start a guy...especially when your job is to win games.
Yeah short of you having proof OB said that, that's straight garbage. The fact is, you're still not listening.
Mallet made the decision to take less money to be here & compete..Even if OB says what you allege above it's still on Mallet. OB didn't put a gun to his head & make him sign for less money & compete... So yeah, it is still on him. He bet on himself & he lost...the 1st battle anyway. Hoyer gets hurt and he comes in and lights it up, he'll be vindicated & then he'll have the Texans FO & Bob by the short & curlies come negotiation time. I know one thing, skipping out on practice cause you're all in your feelings b/c you lost out on beginning the season as the starter definitely isn't going to get you on the field or favor with the HC.
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xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
What are you trying to show here?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You can't tell someone lobbing from a normal pass? He's trying to take some off of that ball.
Depends on what was said. Every time you bet it's buck stops here simplistically on you, but it makes a difference if the bookie says 2-1 or 100-1.
25lighters
Noob
This place and my phone do not agree
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I fixed the 1st gif for you. You had two http's at the beginning.
His job is not to settle for mediocre either.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
In watching these two plays I noticed some things.
The running backs aren't running the same routes. Grimes is running a flat route. Blue is going out and up to get the first. Another giveaway is looking at the way the running backs turn their heads you can tell where they are expecting the ball.
In the Hoyer clip Keyshawn is running wide open and could potentially have had a huge gain. Either Hoyer made a bad decision there or was told to hit grimes.
In the mallett clip it it looks like a designed man coverage beater. You see Fido not even run a first down worthy route on 3rd and 5. His whole purpose is to try to get in the LBs way that is responsible for coverage on Blue. So that was a designed play for the RB.
Pretty good play if they can get it cleaned up so the RB gets more separation.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I'm not disagreeing. I personally think the majority of posters here realize that Mallett didn't CLEARLY beat out Hoyer. I think most are upset about the competition being handicapped if not outright rigged. But they best you will hear from most everyone is that it was a tie, or there wasn't any realistic separation.
But more than once in this thread, when someone has pointed out that Hoyer is a steaming pile of mediocrity and we are starting another season with a below average QB, you have responded with a "well he is better than Mallett" comment. This is no longer about Hoyer v. Mallett. God spoke and he wanted Hoyer. And Hoyer sucks dog ass compared to the rest of the league except for rookies on 3-win teams.
That has NOTHING to do with Mallett. Bitching about it doesn't binarily equate that we want Mallett to start. And as has been pointed out multiple times, it is the unknown v. known that has people wanting to know if Mallett is Cleveland or Cincinnati. Not that they consider him an outright better QB. And that is a fair demand. The people who say OB did the right thing in going with experience are the same people who keep telling us that we shouldn't hold last season against Hoyer because it was a different system, and it was the Browns, and he had a hurt RB, and on and on. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah........except 1 of those is expressly written in the job description & the other isn't. I'm sure no coach has ever been fired just for being or settling for mediocore....On the contrary, we've seen quite a few coaches over the years sustain employment for a while and in some case have great success with mediocore to below average qb play...Our very own Kubiak comes to mind...Marvin Lewis...Tony Dungy.......Rex Ryan.........Brian Billick.....Gruden.....You could go for days.
25lighters
Noob
thank you. i was looking like scrub out there
martin was wide open. definitely missed his read.
i think the mallet play, they were expecting the lb to go over the rub but he jumped the route. apparently plan b was back shoulder. mallett just missed the throw.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
How is being late skipping out on practice? It's O'Brien that sent him home making him skip practice. Mallett was late, but he showed up.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I honestly can't figure out if you are trying to convince yourself that the pile of poo in your lap is a bowl of Jello pudding or if you truly believe that Hoyer is the answer for this team.
Can you do me a favor? Can you match up these coaches with the mediocre QB and the specific year(s) they had "great success" with them? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I think you are more liberal in your definition of "great success" than I am.