infantrycak
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Iirc it was about the same time frame, maybe a tad longer.
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JaDeveon Clowney
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Iirc it was about the same time frame, maybe a tad longer.
Yep,
I cant figure out why the Texans team Dr.'s don't seem concerned about the bone spurs. I just want Clowney fully healthy before he returns. I'm thinking about the next 10 yrs, not the next 4 weeks.
That was my wish too. Just frackin' fix everything.
Come back fully healthy and learn the defense the last month/month & a half of this year.
Return next year completely whole and be a holy terror.
I knew there was concerns about Clowney's "motor" coming out of college, but it never worried me in the least after I did some research about JD and found more out about the person Jadaveon Clowney, not just the athlete. But on the questions re injuries, fitness, the whole durability thing, specifically I know there was talk about the bone spurs he had to deal with last fall, but other than that I can't recall talk of any specific injury, maybe somebody else can help me out on that ? Were there other significant injures Clowney suffered while in college, or even earlier than that while in high school ? But this rash of injuries he's had since we drafted him is very, very troubling, and these are obviously serious injuries.
infantrycak
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He has had bone spurs back to high school. Bone spurs are secondary to an underlying issue in his feet. He's a speed rusher. His push off is his game.
The issue with the bone spurs is the sole reason you didn't see JD being worthy of anything higher than a late first round grade in his Draft ? No other specific injury history besides the spurs ?
Playoffs
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I doubt he's fighting medical attention. If the Texan's doctors want him to have surgery I'm pretty sure that's what'll happen... already happened twice.
infantrycak
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It is the underlying cause which is the greater concern. This is in the arena of turf toe and plantar fascitis which is deadly for a pass rusher. Gary Walker went from probowler to out of the league in two years of turf toe.
Maybe. He said before the draft surgery had been recommended. They don't go away so he is just playing through them and Doc hasn't suggested any reason for that route.
Gary Walker had an eleven year career in the NFL, so he was way, way over the average life expectancy of a guys NFL career duration. And plantar fascitis, isn't that what former Texan and multi-year pro-bowler and highest payed defensive player ever before Watt's new contract nine year NFL vet Mario Williams had his rookie year ?
Dang Infantrycak, instead of worrying me I think you are trying to reassure me that my boy JD is in for a long and successful NFL career ?
infantrycak
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Wow, nice rationalization. How long Walker played before getting the problem is irrelevant. The point is he got it and was done.
CloakNNNdagger
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I posted this on 04/03/14:
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As far as why the Texans may not have recommended surgery on his foot bone spurs AT THIS TIME, I can possibly understand the logic as follows.
We don't know how many or the exact locations of the bone spurs or the other structures (e.g., plantar fascia) that may be involved after having allowed this condition with severe symptoms to continue for so long.....although they have been referred to bone spurS (i.e., multiple) on numerous occasions. Dependent on the factors above, recovery from such surgery could be anywhere from 6 weeks to several months. With this in mind, I could make a case for not having combined the recent surgery with a bone spur surgery.........they didn't want to take the chance of having to definitely shut him down altogether this season (which could still happen secondary to compensatory injuries caused by any underlying problems that still remain).
But I still can't follow the logic of not having addressed the bone spurs in the offseason or certainly immediately after the Draft for a condition that at best is recurrent with some periods of relief brought about by conservative means.........and at worst, chronic and progressive, affecting an NFL career.
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Too much speculation and worrying about Jadeveon Clowney. He said two days ago he's healthy and feeling better than ever. He's already been sprinting and cutting at game-speed level. He's not worried about the knee anymore and as far as the bone spurs he hasn't made mentuon of it so I'm assuming that's not a problem. I expect him to play at a high level next Monday Night at Pittsburgh. It's his body so I'm sure he is the best indicator for how he feels.
CloakNNNdagger
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From LINK:
"A little bit of cutting" is not cutting at "full speed." And "running (cutting) at full speed" is not running (or cutting) at "game speed."
Clowney may be an elite athlete, but he does not strike me as a Mensa candidate. Not listening to his trainers is not a smart way to complete rehab........though it is a good way to end up rehabbing again.
even Mensa candidates can be stubborn; they would probably think they're smarter than the trainers.
Obstinate would be a good word for Mensa candidates. I'm obstinant and I turned them down after taking their little test. Not much more than pattern recognition. Bunch of smart effers proving they are smart effers, if the control the questions..even Mensa candidates can be stubborn; they would probably think they're smarter than the trainers.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...ill-iffy/859d1512-bbff-4cbc-b673-283c40a9f76f
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So that was posted 2 hours ago after todays practice, so officially nothing has apparently changed. I still think it's unlikely we see the big guy out there vs Pittsburg, but we will see. Maybe initially just send him out there on some 3rd and longs to break him again gradually ?
BO'B is playing everyone like a fiddle.
I don't think the Texans need Clowney to beat Pittsburgh.
This team is talented, but it just has to get off to better starts to win games.
The Texans held Luck to three points a quarter after the initial explosion.
Defense is capable without Clowney. Just get off to better starts.
CloakNNNdagger
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Posted 1 hour ago.
Jadeveon Clowneys status for Monday night remains unchanged
Posted on October 15, 2014 | By Dale Robertson
That type of response to a legitimate benign in-general type of question is beginning to border on the pompous and the ridiculous.
Jadeveon Clowneys status for Monday night remains unchanged
Posted on October 15, 2014 | By Dale Robertson
That type of response to a legitimate benign in-general type of question is beginning to border on the pompous and the ridiculous.
Seegara
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Yeah, and it's starting to make me mad.
DX-TEX
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But it is also true. As much as reporters and fans feel we deserve to know we really don't.
Should we be applying that philosophy to all players and coaches?
The Pencil Neck
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I try to.
Some people on here thought seem to think that professional football coaches should be obligated to give the enemy information.
Marshall
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Why? Fantasy issues?
CloakNNNdagger
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Answering this hypothetical would not give the enemy information..........saying whether he can perform the required elements would have to be divulged to give the enemy information for the upcoming game.
infantrycak
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Honestly, to what purpose? - to show he knows the appropriate tests? That falls square into we may want to know but so what. Other than being lied to this all seems like Vegas betting line noise. Sure it's nice to have if you can get it but I can't fault them for minimally complying either.
MEGA SWATT
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I bummed out that Clowney's not playing on MNF.
Houston luck.
I bummed out that Clowney's not playing on MNF.
He been ruled out?
Yeah, it would have been a nice stage for his coming out partyI bummed out that Clowney's not playing on MNF.
...still, I'd rather he not come back too soon.
Marshall
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Since the standard is likely to include areas of concern specific to his injury and what he can't do, it would provide information on what things to address in any game plan against him, and the Texans. There is no need to do the other teams job for them.
Loose lips sink ships, and sometimes costs teams wins.
Marshall
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The only place I can find a NO answer was to a question about whether OB had a better idea on whether Clowney would be good to go on Monday. THAT NO indicates uncertainty, not that he is out.
I bummed out that Clowney's not playing on MNF.
He's not been ruled out yet - I still think there's a chance we might see him on a limited basis in the Pittsburg game.
Not shocked at all considering his NFL mentor.
Of course, I keep asking my self if Clowney hates Reliant's turf, what will he think of Heinz field?
The Pencil Neck
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If I give out a laundry list of things that I'm wanting Clowney to be able to do to be able to play DOES give information to the enemy.
It tells them what he was having problems doing and could give them hints about which parts of his game they can try to attack.
Even if OB answered that, I'd suspect him of lying to give disinformation to the enemy.
Reporter: "What does Clowney have to be able to do to see the field?"
OB: "Well, multiplication tables are high on the list. If he can't quickly multiply 5x12 and then come back and multiply 6x13, then he's out. And sitting down is very important. He's got to prove to me he can walk to the bench when the defense gets a three and out and sit down on the bench without tweaking something."
HOU-TEX
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I'm pretty sure OB has a really good idea if Clowney will play or not. What he says in his PCs means nothing.
I quit watching/reading his PCs because they're so full of fluff. He says a lot without actually saying anything
*Side note: Has any of the local parrots (media) asked him about his "game planning" type team? I'm curious to hear his definition of game planning, because I haven't seen much evidence the way we start games.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
3 and out not doing it for you? So far O.B. = Capers 2.0.
CloakNNNdagger
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If he gave out a "laundry list" of all the things that any LB/DE would need to do to see the field, this would not give any information as to if he has attained all or none, or if he would be playing or not playing. He did not have to choose a response that would come across more like a person displaying control issues. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
HOU-TEX
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3 and outs, MA's, just plain ugly.
One of Kubiak's strengths was coming up with a decent first 15. Now? I don't know what the heck I'm seeing. It's like they practice all week on one plan then OB yanks it right before game time to install a new one
It is interesting that the Texans haven't really made any moves on the OLB front with Reed and Clowney up in the air. They must know something that we don't.
HOU-TEX
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We still have Sapp & newly signed Simon. Not that that'll make you giddy or anything
On a sad note: Simon has more sacks in one game than Mercilus and the same as Reed. Former 1st and 2nd round picks vs a 4th
b0ng
Bad Hombre
I would seriously hope that they do know something that fans do not know.
We have been ran by Rick Smith, Charlie Casserly,Gary Kubiak and Don Capers for over a decade.
Consider me a little gun shy about the intelligence in that front office.
BO'B seems to have it together.
TEXANRED
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Sapp went on IR.
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