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Going ahead and opening up the inevitable all-encompassing Johnny Football thread, as we know there's a lot of local interest in him.


Browns playbook is Manziel's first
A tiny item caught my eye amid the hoopla about media access and Johnny Manziel's first practice weekend with the Cleveland Browns.

It came from Peter King of Sports Illustrated, who pointed out that the playbook (on a tablet) that Manziel received from the Browns was the first one he had been given in his football career. At Texas A&M, King wrote, Manziel a ran a group of plays given to him from week to week...
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Playoffs said:
Going ahead and opening up the inevitable all-encompassing Johnny Football thread, as we know there's a lot of local interest in him.


Browns playbook is Manziel's first
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First playbook??:shots:

Don't know if he'll know what to do with it or how to "handle" it..........Well, I guess there's always Google Translate.:)

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Kolb
Keenum
& now Manziel..


Sumlin & Briles' systems do their qb's no favors entering the league. In addition to no physical playbooks, their systems also don't teach their qb's to be patient and take what the defense is giving them b/c they are constantly trying to go downfield. That works in college...not so much in the pros. As a result they get used to looking over the defense for the big plays rather than reading what's going on in the teeth of it....That's why you see so many of their qb's holding onto the ball so long & scrambling around trying to extend plays...hard to get them out of reading the route trees from long to short.
 
Mr teX said:
Kolb
Keenum
& now Manziel..


Sumlin & Briles' systems do their qb's no favors entering the league. In addition to no physical playbooks, their systems also don't teach their qb's to be patient and take what the defense is giving them b/c they are constantly trying to go downfield. That works in college...not so much in the pros. As a result they get used to looking over the defense for the big plays rather than reading what's going on in the teeth of it....That's why you see so many of their qb's holding onto the ball so long & scrambling around trying to extend plays...hard to get them out of reading the route trees from long to short.
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Why not include RG3 if we are talking about Briles?
 
The Manziel hype on NFL Network is becoming unbearable. They always seem to do this, latch on to one player (usually QB) and overhype him to the point of nausea.

Brett Favre, Tim Tebow, and now Johhny Manziel. It's not the kid's fault, but as a fan and consumer, it is getting to the point of just turning the crap off because there is nothing to report other than stupid crap like "Johnny Manziel gets a playbook". Why the eff is that even a story? Because it's his first one? Geesh, I hate off-season.
 
Double Barrel said:
The Manziel hype on NFL Network is becoming unbearable. They always seem to do this, latch on to one player (usually QB) and overhype him to the point of nausea.

Brett Favre, Tim Tebow, and now Johhny Manziel. It's not the kid's fault, but as a fan and consumer, it is getting to the point of just turning the crap off because there is nothing to report other than stupid crap like "Johnny Manziel gets a playbook". Why the eff is that even a story? Because it's his first one? Geesh, I hate off-season.
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Johnny Frikin Football.

I am so happy we didn't take this guy.

After a few good hits he will be toast.....with jelly!
 
Yep.

Was listening to the Around the League podcast and it as JFF muff-hugging, all. the. time.

I'm rooting for him to bust in Tebowtacular fashion.
 
Between him and the gay that's basically all it is. They should call it the Johnny & Gay hour. :kitten:
 
Porky said:
Between him and the gay that's basically all it is. They should call it the Johnny & Gay hour. :kitten:
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I agree. I'm indifferent about the gay guy, but seriously tired of the coverage.

There is only so much to be said about Manziel or Sam, and then it becomes redundant regurgitation of the same information. Then, they all sit around and "analyze" it.

There are 32 teams in the NFL with lots of rookies, not to mention all the vets and new coaches, but every All Access seems to be obsessed at some point with Manziel or Sam.

Right now All Access has been showing a head coach roundtable interview, and it's been great. More of that, less of Johnny Cleveland!!
 
Building the foundation

"Being good mechanically takes a backseat to learning the system first."

Manziel struggled at times with throws, though he did hit Josh Gordon with a nice pass in five-on-five. He also was able to escape the pocket to complete a couple passes, though the pass rush was no where close to full speed.

"You've got to build a foundation first," Pettine said. "I think we want him to learn the offense first. We know that when we get into live situations that he's going to be able to make plays. We're not going to try to coach that out of him.
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Are people going to want to see Manziel fall on his face at every turn and bash him relentlessly in here the same way they have with VY?
 
thunderkyss said:
I want to see him blow the top off the NFL.
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I want him to be successful and I'm a Longhorns fan. Manziel is one of the most exciting players ever to come out of college the same way that VY was. Wanted both to succeed. The only downfall of Manziel succeeding will be ESPN and the rest of the media will turn it into a Tebow mania type of situation where I might end up not wanting to see hi play well any more just so I can get coverage on the rest of the league. I hate when the media picks their certain guys to create a "mania" for. The end up putting hardly any coverage for everyone else.
 
Texecutioner said:
I want him to be successful and I'm a Longhorns fan. Manziel is one of the most exciting players ever to come out of college the same way that VY was. Wanted both to succeed. The only downfall of Manziel succeeding will be ESPN and the rest of the media will turn it into a Tebow mania type of situation where I might end up not wanting to see hi play well any more just so I can get coverage on the rest of the league. I hate when the media picks their certain guys to create a "mania" for. The end up putting hardly any coverage for everyone else.
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I think they're going to pick that guy whether it's going to be JFF or not. I'd rather it be Johnny. Let him be the measuring stick they measure all other QBs from..... save Tom Savage. Let them call Savage a game manager as he wins Super Bowl after Super Bowl, for all I care.

Good QBs will continue to fall in the draft while other teams are looking for the next RG3 or Colin Kaepernick. I'm fine with that.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think they're going to pick that guy whether it's going to be JFF or not. I'd rather it be Johnny. Let him be the measuring stick they measure all other QBs from..... save Tom Savage. Let them call Savage a game manager as he wins Super Bowl after Super Bowl, for all I care.

Good QBs will continue to fall in the draft while other teams are looking for the next RG3 or Colin Kaepernick. I'm fine with that.
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Are you still questioning Kaepernick as a NFL QB? Dude is a stud.

I don't want to hear any extra coverage on any QB other than the few who are dominating the NFL, because that's who deserves the most coverage. What they did with Tebow years ago was terrible for football fans.
 
Texecutioner said:
Are people going to want to see Manziel fall on his face at every turn and bash him relentlessly in here the same way they have with VY?
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People have two major problems with VY and Manziel. The first is endless media coverage. It's not the guy's fault, but people just get tired of getting hyped over a guy who has literally done nothing in an NFL game yet. The second problem is what tips it into dislike for the guy, IMO, and that's the attitude. QBs are confident guys, I get that. But what do you hear nationally about Andrew Luck? Or Kaepernick? Or Wilson? Or hell, Tannehill, Locker, Ponder ... name a guy. They keep their traps shut and go to work. VY didn't do that. Manziel is off to a rocky start with the immature attitude and "show me the money" signs when he walked on stage at the draft. Sure, you can rationalize it away, but people aren't going to. And if it comes out at some point that he's failing because of his attitude, people will stand up and say told you so. That's life. VY made his own bed with NFL fans. We'll see what Manziel does. The TV coverage alone can sway people into not liking him (see Tebow), but he has the ability to make that go away or make it worse.
 
Texecutioner said:
Are you still questioning Kaepernick as a NFL QB? Dude is a stud.
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But he's not a QB. The NFL will figure him out... may be taking a little longer, but they will & he'll fail (unless he improves as a passer).

Don't get me wrong, I like watching him play & if it gets him to the Super Bowl, can't fault him for that. Whatever it takes to win.

But if that's going to be the new model of the prototypical QB, I want no part of it.
 
My god I am sick to death of the turd that this thread is about. I wasn't going to participate in this thread, but damn, Leiznam news is making me sick.

I refuse to type his name correctly by the way.
 
I noticed, on NFLN, when they jump from topic to topic, or go to commercial, they flash a picture of Arian Foster.

That's pretty cool.

In one of the backgrounds of one of their shows, they have like a really, really big bighead of Andre.
 
Texecutioner said:
Are people going to want to see Manziel fall on his face at every turn and bash him relentlessly in here the same way they have with VY?
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Yes and Yes, though I can only speak for this people.

I'm burnt out on hearing about him from every direction. He's got a pile-0-hype to live up to and my money says he doesn't. I'm not one to come back and say "I told you so" though.

Too much. :kitten:
 
eriadoc said:
People have two major problems with VY and Manziel. The first is endless media coverage. It's not the guy's fault, but people just get tired of getting hyped over a guy who has literally done nothing in an NFL game yet. The second problem is what tips it into dislike for the guy, IMO, and that's the attitude. QBs are confident guys, I get that. But what do you hear nationally about Andrew Luck? Or Kaepernick? Or Wilson? Or hell, Tannehill, Locker, Ponder ... name a guy. They keep their traps shut and go to work. VY didn't do that. Manziel is off to a rocky start with the immature attitude and "show me the money" signs when he walked on stage at the draft. Sure, you can rationalize it away, but people aren't going to. And if it comes out at some point that he's failing because of his attitude, people will stand up and say told you so. That's life. VY made his own bed with NFL fans. We'll see what Manziel does. The TV coverage alone can sway people into not liking him (see Tebow), but he has the ability to make that go away or make it worse.
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Texecutioner said:
Are people going to want to see Manziel fall on his face at every turn and bash him relentlessly in here the same way they have with VY?
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It will never get as big as VY. Longhorn fans are everywhere like Yankees and Cowboys fans when those teams are winning, and that year, with the Texans at 1.1 and the Longhorns fresh off a national championship led by VY, it was the perfect storm.

What sealed my attitude toward VY was his immature display when the Titans won that first game. Him running his mouth and screaming "this is my house!" at Reliant revealed a deep character flaw in him that manifested itself later in his career. That he is now failed out of the NFL and cannot even hold a 3rd string job with crap teams speaks volumes about his wasted physical potential and lack of football IQ.

Manziel is a different player. I do not care for the media hype or his constant commercial branding of himself before he's proven a single thing in the NFL, but the book is still out on him. Does he truly commit himself to his first NFL playbook? Or do they put training wheels on it so they have to adapt the scheme to his skills and limitations?

If Manziel conducts himself like a professional over the next couple of years and rises to the potential that the media believes he possesses, he could really be fun to watch.

I'm not rooting for or against the guy. He's a Brown. Why do I care about anyone in Cleveland? But, as an NFL fan, I want to be entertained by good performance on the field. And in that regard, I do look forward to seeing if he's the real deal or if he's all hat and no cattle.
 
Going to be interesting to watch the manziel saga play out. I think he's going to be a below average qb myself...

I haven't read a lot about him and Cleveland, but just from what little I've seen the vibe I get is that the coach wasn't really all in on manziel. If that's the case, that's no bueno.
 
Double Barrel said:
It will never get as big as VY. Longhorn fans are everywhere like Yankees and Cowboys fans when those teams are winning, and that year, with the Texans at 1.1 and the Longhorns fresh off a national championship led by VY, it was the perfect storm.

What sealed my attitude toward VY was his immature display when the Titans won that first game. Him running his mouth and screaming "this is my house!" at Reliant revealed a deep character flaw in him that manifested itself later in his career. That he is now failed out of the NFL and cannot even hold a 3rd string job with crap teams speaks volumes about his wasted physical potential and lack of football IQ.

Manziel is a different player. I do not care for the media hype or his constant commercial branding of himself before he's proven a single thing in the NFL, but the book is still out on him. Does he truly commit himself to his first NFL playbook? Or do they put training wheels on it so they have to adapt the scheme to his skills and limitations?

If Manziel conducts himself like a professional over the next couple of years and rises to the potential that the media believes he possesses, he could really be fun to watch.

I'm not rooting for or against the guy. He's a Brown. Why do I care about anyone in Cleveland? But, as an NFL fan, I want to be entertained by good performance on the field. And in that regard, I do look forward to seeing if he's the real deal or if he's all hat and no cattle.
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I feel the same as well and I do not believe that the Manziel hate on here will be as much as VY simply because Manziel doesn't play for the Titans. Personally, I am just as much tired of the Manziel coverage as the next guy (As it's been going on for close to a year now, since he finished his stellar first year and then had autograph-gate happen), but that doesn't make me want to see him fail. I am skeptical about his playstyle transitioning, but I don't think it's absolutely impossible for him to succeed as an NFL QB.

As far as Michael Sam goes, I don't really care how much airtime he's getting, he's the first openly gay NFL player so it's expected. Don't really care if he has a reality show (Which I think has been suspended for right now) he's a 7th round pick and is probably not going to have a long and illustrious NFL career so get money while you can.
 
Double Barrel said:
It will never get as big as VY...
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See, I think it's already bigger than VY ever was.

Because Manziel has made himself a media star. JFF's BFF's are LeBron & popular singers & other famous people I don't know. President GHWB was at his pro day.

VY was a college football hero.

Manziel is bigger than Kim Kardashian & Paris Hilton & Lindsay Lohan combined. I give it a year before he has a music production label. The guy has a freakin' McDonalds commercial. Peyton got pizza. Brady... Uggs.
 
Playoffs said:
See, I think it's already bigger than VY ever was.

Because Manziel has made himself a media star. JFF's BFF's are LeBron & popular singers & other famous people I don't know. President GHWB was at his pro day.

VY was a college football hero.

Manziel is bigger than Kim Kardashian & Paris Hilton & Lindsay Lohan combined. I give it a year before he has a music production label. The guy has a freakin' McDonalds commercial. Peyton got pizza. Brady... Uggs.
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It's the vice-versa of VY. With Manziel, here it's not as big of a deal as it is nationally, where as with VY, nationally it really wasn't as big of a deal as it was here.
 
Playoffs said:
See, I think it's already bigger than VY ever was.
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I was coming from a strictly Houston perspective, but agree that Manziel is more of a brand nationally than VY ever was in his career.

Agree with b0ng's perspective about the perception at a local level versus national level.

Manziel is starting to reach Tebow-level media hype, but time will tell if he can sustain it over a couple of seasons like Tebow did.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Going to be interesting to watch the manziel saga play out. I think he's going to be a below average qb myself...

I haven't read a lot about him and Cleveland, but just from what little I've seen the vibe I get is that the coach wasn't really all in on manziel. If that's the case, that's no bueno.
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Well if you believe the rumors, the HC and GM wanted Bridgewater and the owner wanted Manziel. Owner gets what he wants. Again, if you believe the rumors.
 
Playoffs said:
See, I think it's already bigger than VY ever was.

Because Manziel has made himself a media star. JFF's BFF's are LeBron & popular singers & other famous people I don't know. President GHWB was at his pro day.

VY was a college football hero.

Manziel is bigger than Kim Kardashian & Paris Hilton & Lindsay Lohan combined. I give it a year before he has a music production label. The guy has a freakin' McDonalds commercial. Peyton got pizza. Brady... Uggs.
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I'm eagerly waiting for the Manziel sex tapes.:vincepalm:
 
Hear that Hoyer is going over Manziel in the Browns. Hope that Manziel will mature as you can only hope!
 
Last night McClain was on Sports 610, and someone wrote in and asked why so much local coverage for a Cleveland Brown?

McClain's answer was "because he's JFF and chron.com is going to have a lot more coverage of him, like it or not".

Does McClain get paid to be a cheerleader for these guys? Seriously, the huge ass Photoshopped graphic above the fold in the Chronicle sports section showing Manziel popping out of Cleveland's stadium doing the Drake money sign was something straight from a Cleveland newspaper...or at least, it should have been.
 
WolverineFan said:
Well if you believe the rumors, the HC and GM wanted Bridgewater and the owner wanted Manziel. Owner gets what he wants. Again, if you believe the rumors.
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Honestly, I hadn't really heard those rumors.

It's just the vibe I got from listening to the coach and GM talk about manziel a little bit.
 
Dug up some additional info. Interesting fellow, this filer......he's a notorious felon inmate :thinking:

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MAY 23--A notorious inmate has again duped media outlets into reporting the details of one of his hoax lawsuits--this one purportedly filed against Johnny Manziel by a TV host who claims that the quarterback sent her a photo of his penis in a hot dog bun.

The $25 million federal complaint--filed by mail with the U.S. District Court in Tampa, Florida--is the handiwork of convicted felon Jonathan Lee Riches, 37, whose litigation history has been frequently chronicled in these pages (most recently, Riches scammed TMZ’s gullible gossip hounds).

Riches, a convicted felon who spent ten years in federal prison for fraud, was released from custody in April 2012. The Pennsylvania resident, seen at right, was arrested eight months later on a probation violation charge and sentenced to a maximum of five years in state prison. Riches, who must serve a minimum of 30 months, is first eligible for parole in June 2015.

As he did while in federal custody, Riches passes his time in the state system filing specious lawsuits that name celebrities as defendants. In past years, Riches has listed himself as the plaintiff in many of these lawsuits. But when his name became synonymous with such hoaxes--and court officials placed him on a watch list--Riches began filing his actions in the names of others.

Last month, he masqueraded as another inmate to file a lawsuit against HLN host Nancy Grace and Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio. That complaint--which included convicted killer Jodi Arias as co-plaintiff--alleged that Grace had intercepted Arias’s mail and that Arias had contracted hepatitis while confined in a jail overseen by Arpaio.
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