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What is the rebuilding path?

Runner

Runner

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I am going to assume the Texans need to rebuild. Further, I am going to assume they make some changes in the coaching and maybe the front office before next season. Given that, how should the Texans rebuild this time?

Option 1:

Do it "the right way". Get about 6 wins next year, go 8-8 for a couple of non-losing seasons, reach the winning goal of 9-7, and then in year five win 11 or 12 games and make the play-offs.


Option 2:

Take the approach to try and turn it around next year and make some noise in the play-offs the year after that. This approach risks...well, I'm not sure it risks anything. I was never clear on that.


I'll go on the record for option 2. I'd like to see them improve quickly.

:stirpot:
 
McNair bought into Kubiak's BS that it takes 5+ years to rebuild, which is clearly false. Look at the Chiefs.
 
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we need to rebuild in 2014 and get rdy for the SB in 2015 n Houston that should be our goal to make the SB that year and rebuilding next year will help us


We need to do a clean reset Fire everybody from the GM and front office down to the towel boy

Bring in a new regime in here

obvs they will overall the entire roster ...Bassically trimming the fat and get the CAP in the best situation its ever been in so in 2015 we can splurge in Free agents

and obvs our goal in 2014 will be to make the playoffs just to get EXP
 
CretorFrigg said:
McNair bought into Kubiak's BS that it takes 5+ years to rebuild, which is clearly false. Look at the Chief.
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Yep. A lot of Texans fans bought into it as well. It's almost like living in a time warp: other teams are doing total re-builds in 3-4 years, and we trudge along in year 8 - still waiting.

The other problem is the Steelers. McNair really wants a franchise that stable. But, the Steelers having 3 coaches in 40 years is extremely rare and they have done it by hiring solid people.


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Yeah bob wants so bad for us to model after the steelers and the packers to be consistent year n and year out but there is one problem the steelers don't go

2-14 or 6-10


and there lowest lately has been like 7-9 or 8-8
 
CretorFrigg said:
McNair bought into Kubiak's BS that it takes 5+ years to rebuild, which is clearly false. Look at the Chief.
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I think the Chiefs are pretenders. They are a lot better than last year, but are still missing some pieces to be taken seriously as an annual contender.
 
Norg said:
Yeah bob wants so bad for us to model after the steelers and the packers to be consistent year n and year out but there is one problem the steelers don't go

2-14 or 6-10


and there lowest lately has been like 7-9 or 8-8
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At least he has a good vision.
 
Norg said:
Yeah bob wants so bad for us to model after the steelers and the packers to be consistent year n and year out but there is one problem the steelers don't go

2-14 or 6-10


and there lowest lately has been like 7-9 or 8-8
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Correct. Whenever the Steelers slip, Mike Tomlin sticks his foot up players butts, threatening jobs and reminding them about "what it means to be a Steeler."

That franchise has high standards and everyone there knows it.


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There is no reason to rebuild. Fire coach Kubiak, get healthy, and compete for a super bowl

I was one to believe in Kubiak... it does take time to rebuild but now he is showing me that he can't get it done as a coach
 
Fire all coaching staff

JJ going into last year of deal need to lock him in a new contract
J.J. Watt 2014/15 3,575,540

cut or restructured
Johnathan Joseph 2014/15 11,250,000 2015/16 12,250,000
Owen Daniels 2014/15 6,250,000

Cut
Danieal Manning 2014/15 6,000,000
Matt Schaub 2014/15 14,500,000 2015/16 17,000,000
2016/17 19,000,000
Derek Newton 2014/15 660,064

FA
Antonio Smith is FA let go unless resign on the cheap
Wade Smith FA let go
Joe Mays FA ?
Greg Jones FA let go
Ben Tate FA let go
Earl Mitchell FA resign after test of market
Darryl Sharpton FA let go
Garrett Graham FA resign
Ryan Harris FA
Lestar Jean RFA
Bryan Braman RFA
Terrell McClain RFA
Elbert Mack UFA
Ricky Sapp ERFA
Deji Karim FA
Jeff Tarpinian FA
Josh Victorian ERFA
 
dream_team said:
I think the Chiefs are pretenders. They are a lot better than last year, but are still missing some pieces to be taken seriously as an annual contender.
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I keep hearing that, but they have Andy Reid. They're definitely what their record says they are.

I want the Texans to get back to being relevant and take the next step towards beating the top teams in the league rather than another decade of crap.
 
Runner said:
I am going to assume the Texans need to rebuild. Further, I am going to assume they make some changes in the coaching and maybe the front office before next season. Given that, how should the Texans rebuild this time?

Option 1:

Do it "the right way". Get about 6 wins next year, go 8-8 for a couple of non-losing seasons, reach the winning goal of 9-7, and then in year five win 11 or 12 games and make the play-offs.


Option 2:

Take the approach to try and turn it around next year and make some noise in the play-offs the year after that. This approach risks...well, I'm not sure it risks anything. I was never clear on that.


I'll go on the record for option 2. I'd like to see them improve quickly.

:stirpot:
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Depends on what you think of Keenum.

I would personaly clean house and do what previous regimes haven't done. Build the foundation OL/DL?ILB in this draft and if Keenum isn't the guy draft a QB in 2015.

BTW, This is an above avg draft at OL/DT/OLB.
 
Runner said:
I am going to assume the Texans need to rebuild. Further, I am going to assume they make some changes in the coaching and maybe the front office before next season. Given that, how should the Texans rebuild this time?

Option 1:

Do it "the right way". Get about 6 wins next year, go 8-8 for a couple of non-losing seasons, reach the winning goal of 9-7, and then in year five win 11 or 12 games and make the play-offs.


Option 2:

Take the approach to try and turn it around next year and make some noise in the play-offs the year after that. This approach risks...well, I'm not sure it risks anything. I was never clear on that.


I'll go on the record for option 2. I'd like to see them improve quickly.

:stirpot:
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this is extremely disingenuous. we werent any other franchise, we were an expansion team. our best players were retiring jacksonville and jets castoffs and andre johnson. starting from square one, yeah it takes a few years. in 4 seasons we replaced all but 1 player. a new coaching staff wont have to go through that because of the slow motion process you and some others are griping about. andre, duane brown, brandon brooks, deandre hopkins, arian foster, tightends, jj watt, mercilus, cushing, kareem, joseph, manning, and swearinger. legit starters that our next coach will walk into, all but 2 being home grown. a new coach being able to use that talent and provide inspiration will be the reason behind any quick turnaround, not some magical "win now" approach.
 
look at the teams who have won SB's the last few years for one only like a handful of QB these past few years have been winning SB's..... and the rest have just been watchin or getting beat in the SB


that's why I was so shocked when flacco won one because that's a new nam not named Brady manning big ben Rodgers and brees and all of those teams are obvs stable

so the bottom line is u gotta get a QB and that QB has to be A superstar ..then u build around him

Steelers Drafted big ben and have been stable

Pats drafted Brady Colts drafted Manning GB and Saints etc etc


its a roll of the dice IMO
 
Scooter said:
this is extremely disingenuous. we werent any other franchise, we were an expansion team. our best players were retiring jacksonville and jets castoffs and andre johnson. starting from square one, yeah it takes a few years. in 4 seasons we replaced all but 1 player. a new coaching staff wont have to go through that because of the slow motion process you and some others are griping about. andre, duane brown, brandon brooks, deandre hopkins, arian foster, tightends, jj watt, mercilus, cushing, kareem, joseph, manning, and swearinger. legit starters that our next coach will walk into, all but 2 being home grown. a new coach being able to use that talent and provide inspiration will be the reason behind any quick turnaround, not some magical "win now" approach.
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nahh Rick smith and killed this team we have some good players yeah all teams do but we also have aging stars who u think are good but really aren't our core has failed Us and we need a new core

Wade smith,Chirs myers,RG,RT Schaub,yates,keenum, Foster ,FB,Andre ,Kevinwalter, Jocboy jones, have all failed

ST FAILED

don't even get me started on the DEF there is a lonnnngggg list

that's like 88% of the team that failed we need to rebuild
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed,

Are you willin to wait until 2015 to get a great QB? Or are you wanting to reach an get the next Sam Bradford?
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I willing to wait no doubt lets build the Tenches intill we find our guy I say if hes not there next year

look every new regime there first year the get a PASS to do whatever
 
Scooter said:
this is extremely disingenuous. we werent any other franchise, we were an expansion team. our best players were retiring jacksonville and jets castoffs and andre johnson. starting from square one, yeah it takes a few years. in 4 seasons we replaced all but 1 player. a new coaching staff wont have to go through that because of the slow motion process you and some others are griping about. andre, duane brown, brandon brooks, deandre hopkins, arian foster, tightends, jj watt, mercilus, cushing, kareem, joseph, manning, and swearinger. legit starters that our next coach will walk into, all but 2 being home grown. a new coach being able to use that talent and provide inspiration will be the reason behind any quick turnaround, not some magical "win now" approach.
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2-9

After 8 yrs?
 
Norg said:
I willing to wait no doubt lets build the Tenches intill we find our guy I say if hes not there next year

look every new regime there first year the get a PASS to do whatever
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I think I agree with you?

But I did drink at the game today?
 
CretorFrigg said:
McNair bought into Kubiak's BS that it takes 5+ years to rebuild, which is clearly false. Look at the Chief.
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The Chiefs had back to back seasons picking 1st and 11th .... then they added a former #1 overall pick at QB who has a record of 30-7 over the last three seasons.


I'd say they were the exception , not the rule .... Its not all that often teams make quality QB's available - The last two to move were Favre and Brees (You could throw Manning in the conversation but considering his health issues at the time , that was a highly questionable decision at the time).
 
Corrosion said:
The Chiefs had back to back seasons picking 1st and 11th .... then they added a former #1 overall pick at QB who has a record of 30-7 over the last three seasons.


I'd say they were the exception , not the rule .... Its not all that often teams make quality QB's available - The last two to move were Favre and Brees (You could throw Manning in the conversation but considering his health issues at the time , that was a highly questionable decision at the time).
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Some people wanted Schaub over Smith.

Discount those people as talent evaluators.
 
Posted this in the Kubiak thread, but how would you guys feel about Ray Horton? For reference, he was the secondary coach under Dick LeBeau with the Steelers and is the former defensive coordinator for the 2011-2012 Cardinals and is now the 2013 coordinator for the Browns. He runs a 3-4 so he wouldn't have to change the defense on a fundamental level, he has NFL experience as a defensive back and coach, and has coached a ton of really good secondary players like Paolumalu, Patrick Peterson, and most recently Joe Haden.
 
We don't really need to "rebuild." That implies tearing the whole thing down and starting over from scratch at every position.

Fire Kubiak, fire Marciano, fire Rick Smith if you want, improve the offensive line at all costs, and work on bolstering the depth so when the inevitable injuries happen they're not as devastating as they have been the last few years. I mean, no amount of depth can cover what we've had to go through injury-wise in the last three years but the impact can be lessened a bit.

When healthy, we still have Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, Owen Daniels, JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Jonathan Joseph, Danieal Manning, and Kareem Jackson on this team. That's a whole helluva lot.
 
steelbtexan said:
2-9

After 8 yrs?
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not saying anything about our current state, we've peaked and unfortunately fallen off the other side of the cliff this season. to say that in 2006 we could've hired someone to get us straight to 13 wins however is asinine. we built this team as it should've been done, through the draft. because of that we do have talent on this team that hopefully a new coach could turn around right away.

harbaugh inherited a ton of early first round draftees. much like us, kansas city was nowhere near as bad as their record. the teams people like to point to for the quick turnarounds all have talent to build on. the texans didnt when we hired kubiak and his "slow" "do it the right way" approach.
 
Corrosion said:
I mentioned Smith before they extended Schaub ....Everyone said I was crazy. Wonder how Rick Smith feels about that $29.15m he gave Schaub now ?!
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Now that the guaranteed money is gone and it came before Flacco got signed to his mega-deal, I'd say pretty decent.
 
Corrosion said:
I mentioned Smith before they extended Schaub ....Everyone said I was crazy. Wonder how Rick Smith feels about that $29.15m he gave Schaub now ?!
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The question should be does Rick feel as bad as you and I do?

Answer- doubtful

Does Gary? I believe he's a broken man,

I hate what he's having ro go thru, Although I would like his paycheck. LOL
 
I would say we have a solid foundation and a solid team but solid teams don't linger around for 8 years and not even reach the AFC Champ game soild teams don't never get the #1 seed


solid teams don't get beat by 1-8 jags team at home


Solid teams don't lose week 1 to Mark shanchez a rookie QB first game ever


Solid teams don't get beat by Rookie first tme starter ever in the NFL MIke mcgleenen

Solid teams don't get blown out to the rams with there backup QB at home

SOlid teams don't pee there pants and get blown out in foxborro TWICE !!!! wait 3 times once with carr

solid teams don't get blown out at heniz field week 1

Solid teams don't pee there pants like every prime time game

sOLID TEAMS don't go like 16-3 with the COLTS



I can go on and on
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed,

Are you willin to wait until 2015 to get a great QB? Or are you wanting to reach an get the next Sam Bradford?
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I hope you're not implying Bridgewater is anything like bradford are you? Maybe you're hurt because keenum ist the answer,but bridgewater is the best prospect since luck. So I dunno what you're implying. If the texans have the top pick,which it looks like they will,they take bridgewater and they're back at it. It will be the 1st time they have a guy who can do everything.
 
leebigeztx said:
I hope you're not implying Bridgewater is anything like bradford are you? Maybe you're hurt because keenum ist the answer,but bridgewater is the best prospect since luck. So I dunno what you're implying. If the texans have the top pick,which it looks like they will,they take bridgewater and they're back at it. It will be the 1st time they have a guy who can do everything.
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I'm not against a Bridgewater pick, especially if we have the first pick and the new coach (assuming Kubiak is let go) wants 'his guy', but I'm really hoping for Clowney at this point.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
We don't really need to "rebuild." That implies tearing the whole thing down and starting over from scratch at every position.

Fire Kubiak, fire Marciano, fire Rick Smith if you want, improve the offensive line at all costs, and work on bolstering the depth so when the inevitable injuries happen they're not as devastating as they have been the last few years. I mean, no amount of depth can cover what we've had to go through injury-wise in the last three years but the impact can be lessened a bit.

When healthy, we still have Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, Owen Daniels, JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Jonathan Joseph, Danieal Manning, and Kareem Jackson on this team. That's a whole helluva lot.
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I'm sorry but I disagree. Our coaches did not have the backups ready to perform. You want to say injuries were bad the last three years? The only thing that was bad was the coaching, going into a season playing 3-4 with only one starting calibre ilb? That's bad, real bad. Manning got injured? You've had Keo around for years, coach him up or replace him.

Schaub gets a career ending injury 3 years ago? Why did you resign him and still hobble him out there?

Who else has been injured really? And why are all our 2nd and 3rd round picks inadequate depth?
 
What exactly are you disagreeing with? The depth was bad because the talent and coaching was bad.

We've had an insane, unfathomable amount of injuries over the last three years. Do I really have to make the list for you?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
What exactly are you disagreeing with? The depth was bad because the talent and coaching was bad.

We've had an insane, unfathomable amount of injuries over the last three years. Do I really have to make the list for you?
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While ur making that list,go to the broncos and patriots and make a list too.I'm pretty sure they've lost as many if not more probowl/high caliber ball players as the texans have. While you're at it,go look at the gb packers superbowl team that had 15 players on ir.
 
Runner said:
I am going to assume the Texans need to rebuild. Further, I am going to assume they make some changes in the coaching and maybe the front office before next season. Given that, how should the Texans rebuild this time?

Option 1:

Do it "the right way". Get about 6 wins next year, go 8-8 for a couple of non-losing seasons, reach the winning goal of 9-7, and then in year five win 11 or 12 games and make the play-offs.


Option 2:

Take the approach to try and turn it around next year and make some noise in the play-offs the year after that. This approach risks...well, I'm not sure it risks anything. I was never clear on that.


I'll go on the record for option 2. I'd like to see them improve quickly.

:stirpot:
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In the new NFL it does not take 3-4 years to "rebuild". We see it season after season now. Look at the Seahawks, Colts, Chiefs those are just a few examples in the last 2 seasons. With a new coaching staff i BELIEVE this team with the current roster including the guys on IR could win a superbowl. This season will help us get a few more pieces to help. But i dont see a need for a full on gut/rebuild.
 
leebigeztx said:
While ur making that list,go to the broncos and patriots and make a list too.I'm pretty sure they've lost as many if not more probowl/high caliber ball players as the texans have. While you're at it,go look at the gb packers superbowl team that had 15 players on ir.
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This is exactly what I'm getting at. It's an injury sport, that's why you have so many players in camp. It isn't as if when someone gets injured you might as well send me out there and try and get the most you can out of me. You have other professional players who you've put time into.

Injury is not an excuse over a 3 year period. It isn't an excuse over a one year period when you've had 8 years to put your roster together.

Sure Cushing going down 2 years running is bad, but why is it that street FAs are better than guys we've had around this team for 2 or 3 years? Is it really easier to perform when you've had a week or two with these fools coaching you than if you've had 2 years of their tuition?

It's all headed up by a QB guru who's had all 3 of his QBs regress markedly over the past 3 years. Keenum looked just like a Kubiak QB yesterday.

Why haven't they got a backup cornerback capable of handling the outside?

The packers have lost Rodgers FFs and you think we've got injury problems? What about the pats last year when we went to foxboro, they were jacked up all over the place and running 3rd stringers at many positions.

Yes there have been injuries. No it isn't an excuse for 2-9. If we were somewhere around .500, if the injuries had struck before the losing streak began, maybe you'd be able to say aww shucks better luck next time.

Unfortunately this Super Bowl favourite team is suddenly bottom of the pile. And don't try and pad out the injury stats with guys who've called time on a lost season either.
 
So the people who say wait on a QB are prepared to suffer through another 2-14 year to get one? If you have a top 3 pick and QB is a need you better snatch one. Contrary to popular belief you wont consistently find true game changers in later rounds, and this draft has guys who can be special in their own distinct ways.
 
I am always leery of players taken with the first two or three picks. Even so called solid QBs. In my opinion we clean house on the coaching staff, front office, GM, all of them. Bring in an entirely new regime and start the hell over again. Screw it. I want this bad taste in my mouth from the current staff to go away.

And let the new regime make the decisions on who to keep and give up on and what to do with the draft picks.
 
Uncle Rico said:
So the people who say wait on a QB are prepared to suffer through another 2-14 year to get one? If you have a top 3 pick and QB is a need you better snatch one. Contrary to popular belief you wont consistently find true game changers in later rounds, and this draft has guys who can be special in their own distinct ways.
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But, but, but....isn't Kubes the "Quarterback Guru"?

He can lead us to the promised land with his talents of which Matt Schaub, Sage Rosenfels, David Carr became so successful with.

Just imagine how awesome Case Keenum will be with a full year of being under Kubiak's gifted wings. :bubbles:
 
steelbtexan said:
2-9

After 8 yrs?
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Come on! That is the definition of disingenuous. They blew it this year, no doubt... But, the rebuilding was done and a talented team was put together in about 4 to 5 years. That team didn't get it done in 2011 or 2012. 2013 shows the players aren't responding to the system or coaches anymore and a change is needed.. But the rebuild was done and done well... Perhaps a little slow.
 
dalemurphy said:
Come on! That is the definition of disingenuous. They blew it this year, no doubt... But, the rebuilding was done and a talented team was put together in about 4 to 5 years. That team didn't get it done in 2011 or 2012. 2013 shows the players aren't responding to the system or coaches anymore and a change is needed.. But the rebuild was done and done well... Perhaps a little slow.
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If it had been done well it would have lasted...and probably yielded winning seasons at a time when the likes of demeco, mario, od, Schaub, dunta Robinson even, were in their prime.

It wasn't done well at all, it was ham fisted and stuck at 8-8 until they rolled the dice on 2 big money FAs who put them over the top for a while.

It's a travesty how long it took them to address the running back situation, and the safety position, and the cornerback position for that matter. And that was because they weren't able to get the oline sorted for years.

It took them years to find consistency on the oline despite investing heavily via the draft, and you know what? It's been that time it takes them to luck into decent production from the oline that has been their undoing now.

They spend 2 picks a year on oline because they haven't got a clue how to coach the talent, they've been doing it since they got here and it slowed the time it took them to acquire the rest of the pieces on the team.
 
I have to agree with Scooter and others on here. The Texans won't have to go through a total rebuild like when Kubiak took over in 06. This team has way more talent on it now. The problem is with the cap and losing a lot of the talent and depth. Whoever the new regime is I think they can turn it around within a couple of years, if they make the right moves. So the real question is, who do the Texans hire as coach? And, will he make the right moves?

So, what coach is out there now that will make all the right moves? I know there must be a consensus pick for that new head coach that will make all the right moves. Let's hear it!
 
Insideop said:
I have to agree with Scooter and others on here. The Texans won't have to go through a total rebuild like when Kubiak took over in 06. This team has way more talent on it now. The problem is with the cap and losing a lot of the talent and depth. Whoever the new regime is I think they can turn it around within a couple of years, if they make the right moves. So the real question is, who do the Texans hire as coach? And, will he make the right moves?

So, what coach is out there now that will make all the right moves? I know there must be a consensus pick for that new head coach that will make all the right moves. Let's hear it!
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I agree, and I'm hoping the rookie QB contract is taken advantage of by the fo. You save like 10mill or more by cutting Schaub the next two years, so use that money to sign a couple of short term guys who need to keep playing for their contract, and then when the likes of watt come up use it to resign him.

Rookie QB and some new pieces on the oline will likely yield another good pick next season giving us the opportunity to become stacked with top end talent once more very quickly.
 
welsh texan said:
If it had been done well it would have lasted...and probably yielded winning seasons at a time when the likes of demeco, mario, od, Schaub, dunta Robinson even, were in their prime.

It wasn't done well at all, it was ham fisted and stuck at 8-8 until they rolled the dice on 2 big money FAs who put them over the top for a while.

It's a travesty how long it took them to address the running back situation, and the safety position, and the cornerback position for that matter. And that was because they weren't able to get the oline sorted for years.

It took them years to find consistency on the oline despite investing heavily via the draft, and you know what? It's been that time it takes them to luck into decent production from the oline that has been their undoing now.

They spend 2 picks a year on oline because they haven't got a clue how to coach the talent, they've been doing it since they got here and it slowed the time it took them to acquire the rest of the pieces on the team.
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This is an awful season... It doesn't unmake the talent here. It just wasted an opportunity to take advantage of it. Teams have bad seasons sometimes because they just play poorly and coach poorly, or because injuries and frustration mounts... 2013 is one of those years, not unlike 2010.
 
dalemurphy said:
This is an awful season... It doesn't unmake the talent here. It just wasted an opportunity to take advantage of it. Teams have bad seasons sometimes because they just play poorly and coach poorly, or because injuries and frustration mounts... 2013 is one of those years, not unlike 2010.
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Kinda tired hearing about all this talent we supposedly have. We have a decent core of players that has actually been depleted the past year or two. Where's this talent you speak of? AJ, Watt, DB, Cush (maybe) and then what?

Our scheme has been figured out on both sides of the ball and is now showing the LACK of talent on this team. This team needs to be Overhauled
 
YeaLikeRightNow said:
But, but, but....isn't Kubes the "Quarterback Guru"?

He can lead us to the promised land with his talents of which Matt Schaub, Sage Rosenfels, David Carr became so successful with.

Just imagine how awesome Case Keenum will be with a full year of being under Kubiak's gifted wings. :bubbles:
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Nothing you can do to make a turd sandwich taste good.

No Joe Montana, Steve Young or John Elway to pad the resume here in town. Jake Plummer would have been the guy if Kubiak would have had his way but Arizona wasn't going to relinquish the rights.

Edit: or was it Tampa that had the rights. Doesn't matter I guess.
 
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