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Ed Reed calls out the coaching staff? :kitten:

ArlingtonTexan said:
The Quin focus is proper. The Texans made the choice to not sign a player entering into his peek years of tangible production for an injured guy for 'intangibles." quin's contract with Detroit was not so big that could not fit into this salary cap both short and long term.

Interestly, enough Quin was the one player on the squad who looked (from the outside of course) he was starting to develop into a team leader.
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imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety

this brings me to a list of needs with play making safety near the top

s
cb
ilb
olb
rt
nt

good luck filling all those lol
 
amazing80 said:
imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety

this brings me to a list of needs with play making safety near the top

s
cb
ilb
olb
rt
nt

good luck filling all those lol
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That list looks perfect!

Sincerely,

Randy Bullock
 
amazing80 said:
imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety

this brings me to a list of needs with play making safety near the top

s
cb
ilb
olb
rt
nt

good luck filling all those lol
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I think Quin is little (not a lot better than average), but not all-pro. At the end of day, the Texans took a player who is between average and good,non-great and used two roster spots along with a high draft and large short-term money to replace Quin and for now have less production than he would have provided (both tangible and intangible).
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I think Quin is little (not a lot better than average), but not all-pro. At the end of day, the Texans took a player who is between average and good,non-great and used two roster spots along with a high draft and large short-term money to replace Quin and for now have less production than he would have provided (both tangible and intangible).
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but dj has way more upside and is cheaper.....you cant keep everyone and 23 million for a glorified run stopper at safety just isnt smart business.....reed is over paid but will be cut this off-season and we will move on....it was worth the GAMBLE on him....
 
Just because Ed Reed has a ring doesn't mean his opinion is worth anything. Kubiak has a couple of rings, and where has he gotten us? Ed Reed and Kubiak can both kiss my ass.
 
If Reed was a guy with a conscious he'd give his salary he's getting from the
Texans this year, or atleast a sizable part of it, to the Houston Food bank.
And then he needs to shut and quietly go home to Baltimore immediately after the conclusion of this season.
 
Why is everyone pissed off at Reed? He didn't sign himself. And he's doing us all a favor in speaking out against the incompetence of this staff. Now its on Bob to do something.
 
Ed Reed did nothing but say what most of us have been saying for years.

He just said it to reporters.
 
amazing80 said:
but dj has way more upside and is cheaper.....you cant keep everyone and 23 million for a glorified run stopper at safety just isnt smart business.....reed is over paid but will be cut this off-season and we will move on....it was worth the GAMBLE on him....
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I agree with that on Swearinger, but better shopping could have gotten a cheaper veteran stop gap than the name brand Reed.

Unfortunately, we can go to several positions and have a similar discussion where the salary cap mandates not keeping a particular guy and then show where the Texans at best have replaced them with potential if not a pure downgrade. sigh...
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Actually, I think to a large extent both of these are true. Ed reed knows what a well run organization looks like, but he himself has been miscast as a true leader. also, it hard to lead guys who know that you while great at advice really can't play any differently than Eddie Pleasant.


I always feel that veteran 'leadership' mostly comes from players already within an organization. In free agency, an organization has to buy tangible production. "leadership" is an intangible because like the definition says the value is not known.
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Yes! Exactly! It's not something you can go out and buy at a bargain-bin closeout from a Super Bowl team. It's not something you can tack on to your own club by adding a player or two. When has a guy with "rings" ever come here for any club and made a positive difference in the chemistry and personality of the team just because he'd been successful somewhere else? Clemens and Pettitte maybe? A little bit? Every year when the playoffs would get here you would always see that news story where they talked to the guy who was brought in as a free agent or in trade and who had a ring from some other team. The Chronic talks to him like he holds some mysterious secret and is about to impart it on the rest of us but that's BS and we all know it. On THIS team Ed Reed is just another guy no matter how much the Texans want the other players to buy into this idea that he's some kind of Yoda who is going to fix everything.

We got this guy..... Ed Reed
He's the smartest man in the world!
He's gonna fix EVERYTHING!

Not so much.

When I called him "a kind of cancer" I think the words weren't well chosen. I didn't mean he was like one of those locker room cancers who brings in all kinds of baggage and who turns the locker room on itself. I really didn't. He's more of a fly in the soup or a turd in the punchbowl. His presence on this team upsets whatever it was that passed for team chemistry and he provides nothing in the way of play on the field to offset that. He doesn't play well and he doesn't speak with the authority that a veteran in this locker room who played his entire career here would have. He pulls down bank and plays less and poorer than a lot of our scrubs.

Sure he's saying things that are true. He's saying things that have been bouncing around this and every other Texans board for what is it? 5-6 years? Longer? It's not that anyone is dismissing it or that it isn't true. It's that he's not the guy who should be doing this. If Watt or AJ was saying this it would be significant and valid. Ed Reed saying it is like the guy robbing your house who points out that your kitchen sink is full of dishes on his way out the door.
 
Hervoyel said:
If Watt or AJ was saying this it would be significant and valid. Ed Reed saying it is like the guy robbing your house who points out that your kitchen sink is full of dishes on his way out the door.
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Great point Herv. And funny too. Reed is a lone wolf on this team. He contributes nothing on the field and he basically stole from Bob McNair by concealing his injury for one last fat payday from a team that he has contributed absolutely nothing too. He is like that guy at work that goes out with "hurt at work" injuries and lives off short term disability. Then he turns around and complains about the company while you and your coworkers are the ones actually dealing with it everyday. To me he is lazy and disrespectful and a poor example of how to deal with adversity.

If he wanted to do the right thing then maybe instead of tweeting out all the Texans business (as obvious as it is) for the world to see he could of sat down with JJ Watt and Andre Johnson and discussed what he felt was wrong and see what the team leaders thought would be the best course of action to take to fix it.
 
bckey said:
Great point Herv. And funny too. Reed is a lone wolf on this team. He contributes nothing on the field and he basically stole from Bob McNair by concealing his injury for one last fat payday from a team that he has contributed absolutely nothing too. He is like that guy at work that goes out with "hurt at work" injuries and lives off short term disability. Then he turns around and complains about the company while you and your coworkers are the ones actually dealing with it everyday. To me he is lazy and disrespectful and a poor example of how to deal with adversity.

If he wanted to do the right thing then maybe instead of tweeting out all the Texans business (as obvious as it is) for the world to see he could of sat down with JJ Watt and Andre Johnson and discussed what he felt was wrong and see what the team leaders thought would be the best course of action to take to fix it.
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For the all the money Bob Mcnair has taken from Texans fans and shown us no success in playoffs... I have no problem with seeing Ed Reed take a little bit of Bob McNair's money and in turn show no success in his play on the field. Takes one to know one.
 
Eventually, they’re going to figure out what you’re doing if you’re doing the same old things.”
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-- Ed Reed

The truth is the truth.

I'd convert Reed into a Defensive Assistant.
 
Ed Reed has been on one of the consistently best defenses in the league and won it all. If he is looking around and doesn't like what he sees, I would listen. It should be apparent to everyone that we have huge issues in the coaching staff, the front office, and frankly the organization as a whole. There are tough decisions to be made, lets just hope we find someone who has the sack to make them.
 
MEGA SWATT said:
That does not discredit his comments:smiliepalm:
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I see the point. I know my frustration about this comes mostly because my team is so hard to watch this season. He is 100% correct, but it irritates me that he makes those comments when he has done nothing on the field to help this team.
 
I'm now firmly in the camp of "no more used up washed out overpriced players ever!".

There are six million reasons why nobody should feel sorry for Ed Reed ending his career in Houston.

As far as Ed speaking out; Didn't the owner say the reason they were getting Reed was attitude and leadership? Well, I guess they are getting what they paid for, although probably not what they had in mind.

Just like the Astrodome - time to BLOW IT UP!!!
 
Double Barrel said:
I'm now firmly in the camp of "no more used up washed out overpriced players ever!".

There are six million reasons why nobody should feel sorry for Ed Reed ending his career in Houston.

As far as Ed speaking out; Didn't the owner say the reason they were getting Reed was attitude and leadership? Well, I guess they are getting what they paid for, although probably not what they had in mind.

Just like the Astrodome - time to BLOW IT UP!!!
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BOOM!!!!!

I wish it to happen, but still think it'll be status quo for next season. We might see an asst coach or a few player personnel changes, but no major shake ups.

I'll continue to pray McNair gets pissed and cleans house
 
To bad Ed doesn't have as many Passes Defended or Interceptions than he does opinions about the teams performance.
 
Big Lou said:
To bad Ed doesn't have as many Passes Defended or Interceptions than he does opinions about the teams performance.
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Well, in fairness to Reed, he's right. No one is throwing at him. I mean the few passes that have been even remotely near were at least a good 5-6 yards away.
 
Can we just cut Ed Reed today , and have his dead $$ on this years cap instead of next .... somehow ?!
 
This defense runs the same blitzes over and over to no avail. The middle linebackers come crashing into a wall of waiting offensive linemen. Offenses never have to worry about any exotic coverages or blitzes.

As an offense, it must be a cakewalk to gameplan the Texans. I'm waiting for a team to run nothing but quick screens. Think the Broncos will do it with their deadly tunnel screens.
 
It isn't about what he said but who was saying it. Like the as whole complaining to the brain that the bowel movement is not happening. It isn't but shut up and do you part then complain.
 
badboy said:
It isn't about what he said but who was saying it. Like the as whole complaining to the brain that the bowel movement is not happening. It isn't but shut up and do you part then complain.
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Love how everyone is ripping on Reed when he is 100% correct! At elast someone on this team is saying what everyone is seeing
 
DX-TEX said:
Love how everyone is ripping on Reed when he is 100% correct! At elast someone on this team is saying what everyone is seeing
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I didn't rip him , just said I'd like to cut him now instead of later - He isn't helping this team post W's and will cost $1.333m against next seasons cap when cut.

What good is keeping him around doing ? While we are at it , can we dump Schaub too , gonna suck to have ~$10.5m in dead money from him.
 
Reed is only saying what we are all thinking. Why are people blasting the guy who has the insight that we desperately want to hear about?
 
Blake said:
Reed is only saying what we are all thinking. Why are people blasting the guy who has the insight that we desperately want to hear about?
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Exactly. Reed may not be what he once was on the field, or he may be and this system is just ridiculously horrible and doesn't give players a chance to make a play. Is our secondary really as bad as it seems, or does the system rely too much on blitzes and when they don't get there we are picked apart?
 
For the last 2 years we were actually considered a good team. So, I can see how Ed Reed believed he could come here and make an impact with what we already had. Things could have easily went the other way instead of in the toilet. Yeah I'm sure he laughs as he cashes his checks, but wouldn't you do the same thing? 6 mil is 6 mil. If my hip was broke, I'd lie too given the circumstances.

As far as the coaching staff being non-existent.... no s%@# sherlock. Our head coach just had a stroke.
 
cstyle42 said:
For the all the money Bob Mcnair has taken from Texans fans and shown us no success in playoffs... I have no problem with seeing Ed Reed take a little bit of Bob McNair's money and in turn show no success in his play on the field. Takes one to know one.
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LMAO. McNair hasn't taken a dime from fans. He put his money up and fans attend games and buy merchandise. It is ridiculous to assert that McNair is scamming the fans and not out to win. If that were the case we wouldn't be up against the cap and we would be spending the league minimum. I'm as frustrated as anyone that it isn't working but I am not going to act like it is dishonest.

These last three years we have put what should have been a super bowl contending team on the field and it hasn't worked out. Not all is lost. This is still a talented roster and if the coaching staff, right side of the line, safety, and olb situation are worked out this team could win 12 games next year.

Cut Reed, draft an olb, a rt, a rt, a pass rushing olb and a ball hawk. Bring in a coach that instills discipline and fixes the accountability issue and this team is ready to rock and roll again first round needs to be BPA and then start drafting for need.

Reed is right. He needs to become a coach and retire.

Mike
 
amazing80 said:
imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety

this brings me to a list of needs with play making safety near the top

s
cb
ilb
olb
rt
nt

good luck filling all those lol
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That isn't a very long list. With players returning you should be able to draft a few of them and fill the rest.

Mike
 
Texanmike02 said:
That isn't a very long list. With players returning you should be able to draft a few of them and fill the rest.

Mike
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I would also add WR and TE to that list. Not sure how much longer AJ is going to keep up his good play, and Owen Daniels is getting hurt too often. However, Case does deliver the ball where it supposed to be so maybe he'll add a few years to their careers.
 
I read this article earlier today and while I don't think Reed has any room to criticize anybody.........I don't disagree with a lot of the things he said. As fans, we've been talking about a lot of those issues for a while now. I'm actually kind of glad that someone in the organization has put it out there now.
 
JamesBill said:
I think our system relies on OLBs and ours suck.
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The system is built to give Watt and Mercilus advantageous matchups. It's hardest on the ILB's and Brooks Reed. Reed is tasked with playing a 7' technique on the strong side (two-gapping the TE) which is tough duty. I'm not absolving him of his poor play, but he has one of the tougher tasks on the defense.

The ILB's have simple, but tough jobs as well. The D-Linemen shoot their desired gap on the snap and the ILB's have to read which gap the DL did not shoot and cover those gaps. That sounds simple because it is. But it's tough to do when you're trying to react to that while also reading what the offense is doing. A guy like Brian Cushing makes it look easy because his instincts and football IQ are top notch. A guy like Sharpton makes it look impossible because he has no instincts for the position. How many times have you seen Sharpton shoot a gap on playaction and leave someone open over the middle? It's because he struggles to multitask with his responsibilities. That is why Cushing is so important to this defense.
 
What a gig.

Shows the difference in mentalities between the Ravens FO and the Texans FO. They sign dudes we ran out of town to makes big plays in the playoffs and Super Bowl. We sign their used up player who does absolutely nothing for us and cut mid-season.

Do the Harbaughs happen to have a third brother in coaching? :hmmm:
 
I did not see Reed being here after the season, so why not? The outstanding question is - who made this decision: Smith, Kubiak or McNair?

My gut says McNair directed Smith.
 
Double Barrel said:
What a gig.

Shows the difference in mentalities between the Ravens FO and the Texans FO. They sign dudes we ran out of town to makes big plays in the playoffs and Super Bowl. We sign their used up player who does absolutely nothing for us and cut mid-season.

Do the Harbaughs happen to have a third brother in coaching? :hmmm:
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They have a brother in law who coaches hoops at Indiana . Is that close enough ?
 
amazing80 said:
imo dj replaced quin. not reed. quin is an in the box safety who tackles well. not a rangy guy who covers good, thats what we lack and i think they were hoping reed was that guy or at the least could teach someone here to be more rangy like he used to be, did it fail? yes, but lets not make quin to be better than he is.....an AVERAGE safety
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There's a new breed of TEs in the league now. Big guys who can run..... stretch the field. Quin was a physical corner who lacked elite speed, but he had good cover skills. I predict we'll see more Jimmy Graham's & Gronks & the league will be looking for more guys like Quin.

Manning was pretty much in that same mold, but I don't think he was as physical with TEs off the line as Quin. Last year, Manning was our center fielder. When he made an impact on this team in 2011, he was playing the center field, Free Safety position. However, bringing Reed in to play FS we either had to cut Manning (what I would have done) & eat the dead money on his deal, or let Quin escape via free agency.

Letting Quin go was the easy thing to do.

& I really doubt anyone thought Ed Reed had the range he used to. It was the idea of him being back there that "insured" QBs will be looking for him, causing them to hesitate maybe that extra 'nth the pass rush needed to get home.

Dj is an in the box safety. I'm not seeing flashes that he'll develop similar to Quin or Manning, both came into the league as CBs.

IMO, we should be looking at the best CB/FS we can get in the draft if he's a corner, then we should roll Kj back to safety. If he's a safety, then he competes with Keo.

Or sign Kerry Rhodes & be done with it.
 
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