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mridge01

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It wasn't the Schaub pick 6, it wasn't the 98 yard drive (113 with penalties), or even the "game winning" fg. It was after Cushing destroyed Lynch and caused the fumble and Kubiak went into Kubiak mode and settled for 3. Right then and there the Seahawks knew they would be in this game as long as the :kitten: coach was on our sideline. Effing get the ball to #80 when your that close! Who the f is going to keep him from catching it. Better yet, put #99 in at TE and let him figure it out. This BS ***** footing around when the foot is on the throat is what loses games. As long as Kubiak is coach this team will never win at a high level.
 
Low key Schaub hate thread # 567565678654. Not that i have a problem with those of you wanting to curb stomp Schaub right now....
 
mridge01 said:
It was after Cushing destroyed Lynch and caused the fumble and Kubiak went into Kubiak mode and settled for 3. Right then and there the Seahawks knew they would be in this game as long as the :kitten: coach was on our sideline. Effing get the ball to #80 when your that close! Who the f is going to keep him from catching it.
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Was that the drive Schaub missed a wide open AJ in the endzone?
 
I gotta' disagree with the premise of the thread. The pick 6 lost the game. Up a TD with 3:00 left in the game is pretty much a no brainer for better coaches and QBs. Horrible playcalling at that point and even worse execution.
 
Nope, it was the pick 6. We could've gone in Kubiak conservative mode and won that game. The defense was playing well. Arian was running decent in that series. Keep feeding him instead of putting the ball in Schaubiak's hands

And for the love of Pete, why can't our QB read a NB blitz during pre-snap reads. It was obvious!!
 
the drive before the pix sixes

we threw the ball 3 straight times and went 3 and out we didn't even run why I don't know we could of killed most of the time if we just got 2 first downs

the drive after that we finally ran the ball cus it was so obvs at that point but on

3 and 4 after we ran it 2 times before that we decided to do a little bootleg and leave one defender un blocked
 
Mr teX said:
Low key Schaub hate thread....
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I'm not a Schaub hater. I really, really try not to be.

But we lost this game when the Seahawks dangled their jugular right in front of us, we took one half ass swipe at it..... they pulled it back & laughed all the way to victory.

They exposed their jugular when Cush caused Lynch to fumble & we got the ball on their 19.

We feigned a swipe at it with that half ass route Andre ran on the first play.

They pulled it back when they held us to a field goal.

They laughed all the way to victory... with that pick 6 & the 98+ yard TD scoring drive in the 4th.
 
Double Barrel said:
I gotta' disagree with the premise of the thread. The pick 6 lost the game. Up a TD with 3:00 left in the game is pretty much a no brainer for better coaches and QBs. Horrible playcalling at that point and even worse execution.
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We got the ball with 2 minutes left in regulation, but couldn't get into scoring position just like we couldn't since the second TD without help from the defense. That's from the 6 minute mark of the second qtr, the entire 3rd qtr, the 4th qtr, & two OT possessions.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not a Schaub hater. I really, really try not to be.

But we lost this game when the Seahawks dangled their jugular right in front of us, we took one half ass swipe at it..... they pulled it back & laughed all the way to victory.

They exposed their jugular when Cush caused Lynch to fumble & we got the ball on their 19.

We feigned a swipe at it with that half ass route Andre ran on the first play.

They pulled it back when they held us to a field goal.

They laughed all the way to victory... with that pick 6 & the 98+ yard TD scoring drive in the 4th.
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I hear you....i only wrote what i did b/c the title of thread is kinda like "really?". There were lots of key plays that had an impact on the game............but ultimately everyone knows where the game was mostly lost at...

This thread and its title is a borderline troll move.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Nope, it was the pick 6. We could've gone in Kubiak conservative mode and won that game. The defense was playing well. Arian was running decent in that series. Keep feeding him instead of putting the ball in Schaubiak's hands
And for the love of Pete, why can't our QB read a NB blitz during pre-snap reads. It was obvious!!
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I do agree with this, but if the Texans go up 21-3 after Cushing's fumble blow on Lynch, the game is over.

For the record, this was NOT a Schaub hate thread. It was a Kubiak sucks thread.
 
Kubiak tried his best to give the game away, but what lost the game was the Schaub pick-six. Really no debate about that.
 
WolverineFan said:
Kubiak tried his best to give the game away, but what lost the game was the Schaub pick-six. Really no debate about that.
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Kubiak tried to give the game away? Was he the one who fumbled to give Seattle 3 points or the one who threw away 7 more? Or maybe it was him who gave up the 98 yard drive in the 4th? I see nothing Kubiak did, outside of maybe trusting his QB to throw a simple pass pay, to lose this game.
 
I actually thought Kubiak was more aggressive than usual. Come on, admit it, on the pick 6 play, you thought they were going to hand the ball off and let the defense win the game. You thought it, everyone in the stands thought it. But Kubiak made the aggressive playcall and tried to win it right there. So in this instance, you can see being aggressive isn't always the best idea.

If we just ran the ball, didn't convert, then the Seahawks would have had like 2 mins, 0 timeouts, to march the field for a TD. That's the usual Kubiak, conservative call.
 
The defense should have beaten the dog ISHT out of Wilson when he started running. A QB's place is IN THE POCKET. When a QB leaves the pocket he is saying:

"Hi I'm a REAL football player. Please hurt me."


When that same QB crosses the line of scrimmage he's saying:

"F-YOU defensive unit. You are a small cute cluster of kittens of whom I have NO fear. There isn't anything which you could possibly do to me."

Sorry if I'm part of a defensive unit and a QB said that to me I would sacrifice a game check and do my best to break every last one of his damned ribs. Everything on MY side of the ball belongs to me. You want an inch of this field you'll pay for it dearly.
 
dream_team said:
I actually thought Kubiak was more aggressive than usual. Come on, admit it, on the pick 6 play, you thought they were going to hand the ball off and let the defense win the game. You thought it, everyone in the stands thought it. But Kubiak made the aggressive playcall and tried to win it right there. So in this instance, you can see being aggressive isn't always the best idea.

If we just ran the ball, didn't convert, then the Seahawks would have had like 2 mins, 0 timeouts, to march the field for a TD. That's the usual Kubiak, conservative call.
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wholeheartedly agree...
 
dream_team said:
I actually thought Kubiak was more aggressive than usual. Come on, admit it, on the pick 6 play, you thought they were going to hand the ball off and let the defense win the game. You thought it, everyone in the stands thought it. But Kubiak made the aggressive playcall and tried to win it right there. So in this instance, you can see being aggressive isn't always the best idea.

If we just ran the ball, didn't convert, then the Seahawks would have had like 2 mins, 0 timeouts, to march the field for a TD. That's the usual Kubiak, conservative call.
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I was thinking "Why does Schaub have a vuggin' JOB!?!?!?!!!"
 
dream_team said:
I actually thought Kubiak was more aggressive than usual. Come on, admit it, on the pick 6 play, you thought they were going to hand the ball off and let the defense win the game. You thought it, everyone in the stands thought it. But Kubiak made the aggressive playcall and tried to win it right there. So in this instance, you can see being aggressive isn't always the best idea.

If we just ran the ball, didn't convert, then the Seahawks would have had like 2 mins, 0 timeouts, to march the field for a TD. That's the usual Kubiak, conservative call.
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I don't have as much of a problem with the play call as I do with the actual throw, piss poor decision on Matts's part and its what you would expect out of a rookie in his first NFL game, not a veteran starter in this league.
 
Dread-Head said:
The defense should have beaten the dog ISHT out of Wilson when he started running. A QB's place is IN THE POCKET. When a QB leaves the pocket he is saying:

"Hi I'm a REAL football player. Please hurt me."


When that same QB crosses the line of scrimmage he's saying:

"F-YOU defensive unit. You are a small cute cluster of kittens of whom I have NO fear. There isn't anything which you could possibly do to me."

Sorry if I'm part of a defensive unit and a QB said that to me I would sacrifice a game check and do my best to break every last one of his damned ribs. Everything on MY side of the ball belongs to me. You want an inch of this field you'll pay for it dearly.
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Perhaps you missed the part where the defense could only flush Wilson out of the pocket, but took bad angles and couldn't catch him. When Wilson scrambled, he left the DL and LBs in the dust 10 yards behind him, and they were still trying to figure out which way the guy went. Mobile QBs are dangerous, and since we don't have one to practice against, we'll get burned by them.

Trying to hurt the guy isn't the answer. There's a difference between playing aggressive and playing dirty. While we sometimes lack the aggressive play, the dirty play is just not the way to go.
 
jaayteetx said:
I don't have as much of a problem with the play call as I do with the actual throw, piss poor decision on Matts's part and its what you would expect out of a rookie in his first NFL game, not a veteran starter in this league.
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I totally agree. I actually liked the playcall. It caught me by surprise. I think it caught everyone by surprise except for the Seahawks. Schaub has to know, in that situation, just eat the sack. I know a lot of fans hate it when Schaub eats sacks, but that's exactly what that play called for.
 
Where was the game lost?
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2nd Half / OT- Seahawks
15:00 3 02:24 SEA 25 3 -2 Punt
08:17 3 03:15 SEA 20 6 19 Punt
04:19 3 00:25 HOU 21 4 0 Field Goal
00:11 3 07:28 SEA 2 14 98 Touchdown
06:05 4 00:52 HOU 47 3 2 Intercepted Pass
00:20 4 00:20 SEA 11 1 -1 End of Half
12:27 OT 01:49 SEA 20 4 33 Punt
06:46 OT 03:27 SEA 31 8 42 Field Goal
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2nd Half / OT - Texans
12:25 3 03:57 HOU 13 7 40 Punt
05:02 3 00:43 HOU 17 2 4 Fumble
03:54 3 03:33 HOU 20 6 29 Punt
07:43 4 00:44 HOU 20 3 -3 Punt
05:13 4 02:33 HOU 43 5 17 Intercepted Pass
02:40 4 02:12 HOU 20 7 37 Punt
15:00 OT 02:24 HOU 20 5 20 Punt
10:30 OT 03:28 HOU 13 7 27 Punt
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6 punts and two turnovers? No real mystery to be solved here. The offense went in a shell and gave the game away. Schaub's turnover no more decided the game than did Tate's fumble.
 
dream_team said:
I totally agree. I actually liked the playcall. It caught me by surprise. I think it caught everyone by surprise except for the Seahawks. Schaub has to know, in that situation, just eat the sack. I know a lot of fans hate it when Schaub eats sacks, but that's exactly what that play called for.
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He should've been able to read the blitz during pre-snap reads. Call a TO since he apparently wasn't allowed to audible. Just dumb on the coach and QB

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 23m
Kubiak says Schaub did not have the ability to audible out of the pick six play
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HOU-TEX said:
He should've been able to read the blitz during pre-snap reads. Call a TO since he apparently wasn't allowed to audible. Just dumb on the coach and QB
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Wtf? Schaub couldn't audible to a running play if he noticed a blitz? Somehow I call bs on Kubiak here. I would bet Kubiak is just trying to take heat off his QB with this comment.
 
infantrycak said:
Kubiak made no such comment.
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Several reporters tweeted the same thing. Why would they lie?

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 17m
Kubiak says Schaub couldn't audible out of "very, very poor play"
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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 1h
Kubiak says Schaub did not have the ability to audible out of the pick six play
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James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 1h
on pick 6 play Schaub didn't have the ability to audible out of it according to Kubiak
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We lost the game on Schaub first int in the red zone. Seattle only rush 2 and dropped everyone back to cover a short zone. And yet Schaub rush a throw like it was an all out blitz and he threw it into that short crowded zone where it was tip right into Seattle hands.

When the defense is only rushing 3 or less it's critical for a QB to remain patient in the pocket and survey the whole field as he will usually have time to throw when the defense trades pass rush for extra secondary coverage. Schaub should have grab a chair and sat in the pocket and took his sweet time to find an open receiver cuz Seattle only sent TWO rushers!

Folks here like to thrashed Schaub weak arm and mobility. But his biggest downfall have always been his lack of pocket-precense and foot placement.
 
Its quite simple. We could not afford to lose the turnover battle AGAIN, especially against that team. We did. We lost.
 
dream_team said:
I actually thought Kubiak was more aggressive than usual. Come on, admit it, on the pick 6 play, you thought they were going to hand the ball off and let the defense win the game.
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ummm. i can recall off my head a few times there was a need for a 3rd down conversion to ice a game and they converted passing. denver last year, bengals in the playoffs, there has to be more i just cant remember. i was expecting a short slant/curl to od or dre.. not a rollout and a throw that reeked of "FXCK IT!!" thats what it looked like when schaub let it go as if he was like "FXCK IT!!!" into coverage where the db had a beat on it as he loaded up..
 
toronto said:
This is just utter hilarity. How do you NOT give a veteran QB the ability to audible on any given play? Serious?
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This. This right here is a huge HELLO as to why we will not get anywhere far in the playoffs. That's a loser's mentality right there.

Sad and pathetic.
 
Playoffs said:
Tim Hasselbeck on Mike & Mike in the Morning today had a broader take on what happened in the loss and what were the critical mistakes the Texans made.

He explains very clearly how the play call & formation contributed to Schaub's failure. And he rightfully calls out AJ & Nuk & KJ, too.

Worth a listen, starts at ~2 minutes: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9747772&ex_cid=espnapi_public
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Good **** bro....this combined with kubiak confirming that Schaub had no aubidle privledges seals the deal for me with kubiak.....
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Game was lost when Gary took his foot off the gas and go 5 mph under the speed limit
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When did this happen?

If anything, he got away from his turtle tendencies. 18 passes to 13 runs in the second half.

1st possession; 4 runs, 4 passes.... the runs were working well, the last 4 snaps of the possession were sack, run for -2, incomplete, punt

2nd possession; 2 runs... the last was the fumble

3rd possession; 4 passes, 2 runs; last 4... run for -2, incomplete, incomplete, punt

4th possession; 3 passes... incomplete, sack -9, complete 6yards when we needed 17

5th possession; 4 runs, 1 pass; last 4 snaps were Foster for 5, Foster for 5, Foster for 1, pick 6

6th possession; sacked -10, Hopkins for 16, incomplete, punt
 
thunderkyss said:
When did this happen?

If anything, he got away from his turtle tendencies. 18 passes to 13 runs in the second half.

1st possession; 4 runs, 4 passes.... the runs were working well, the last 4 snaps of the possession were sack, run for -2, incomplete, punt

2nd possession; 2 runs... the last was the fumble

3rd possession; 4 passes, 2 runs; last 4... run for -2, incomplete, incomplete, punt

4th possession; 3 passes... incomplete, sack -9, complete 6yards when we needed 17

5th possession; 4 runs, 1 pass; last 4 snaps were Foster for 5, Foster for 5, Foster for 1, pick 6

6th possession; sacked -10, Hopkins for 16, incomplete, punt
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I agree, I didn't see Kubiak taking his foot off the pedal. I saw him call the 2nd half just as aggressive as the first half. The Problem? Seahawks made adjustments, but Texans didn't anticipate those adjustments well. In fact, I think if Kubiak did go into turtle mode, we would have won that game.
 
thunderkyss said:
When did this happen?

If anything, he got away from his turtle tendencies. 18 passes to 13 runs in the second half.

1st possession; 4 runs, 4 passes.... the runs were working well, the last 4 snaps of the possession were sack, run for -2, incomplete, punt

2nd possession; 2 runs... the last was the fumble

3rd possession; 4 passes, 2 runs; last 4... run for -2, incomplete, incomplete, punt

4th possession; 3 passes... incomplete, sack -9, complete 6yards when we needed 17

5th possession; 4 runs, 1 pass; last 4 snaps were Foster for 5, Foster for 5, Foster for 1, pick 6

6th possession; sacked -10, Hopkins for 16, incomplete, punt
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THIS. And you know whats funny? I can easily see Reliant booing Kubiak if he ran conservatively instead like he was supposed to on that pick six play. Seriously. Our fans are that dumb.
 
Tailgate said:
THIS. And you know whats funny? I can easily see Reliant booing Kubiak if he ran conservatively instead like he was supposed to on that pick six play. Seriously. Our fans are that dumb.
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Our fans are waking up to the bs that's happening in this organization. If we win the any fans will be happy at the end of the day.
 
Let's shift from the conservative talk because I honestly don't think Kubiak was in this game. Not to the point of costing us the game. Instead what about being predictable? As I heard on Mike & Mike this morning, they stated that some around the league feel we are predictable in our playcalling. Richard Sherman also stated he knew the ball was coming based on the formation and that they already practiced against it.

So are we that predictable? Does the answer why on some of these passes that Matt is going color blind that the receivers have a blanket around them? Or maybe this answers why a team that amounts so many yards ends up field goals or these stretches where we can't even get in the endzone. Second half against the Hawks nothing to speak for. Ravens nothing to speak for. Last quarter of the schedule last year for a good 6 quarters, nothing to speak for.

Does any think we're predictable?
 
deucetx said:
Let's shift from the conservative talk because I honestly don't think Kubiak was in this game. Not to the point of costing us the game. Instead what about being predictable? As I heard on Mike & Mike this morning, they stated that some around the league feel we are predictable in our playcalling. Richard Sherman also stated he knew the ball was coming based on the formation and that they already practiced against it.
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I was one surprised mutrfcher when I saw Schaub try that boot. They'd been playing very conservative on the backside all game long. We should have known it wasn't going to be there.

That 4th & 2 screen against Baltimore.... threw me for a loop as well.

& it took Seattle 2 & a half qtrs to figure out how predictable we were.

I think we should start a pool to see who will be the next team to score 2 TDs in a game against Seattle.
 
deucetx said:
Let's shift from the conservative talk because I honestly don't think Kubiak was in this game. Not to the point of costing us the game. Instead what about being predictable? As I heard on Mike & Mike this morning, they stated that some around the league feel we are predictable in our playcalling. Richard Sherman also stated he knew the ball was coming based on the formation and that they already practiced against it.

So are we that predictable? Does the answer why on some of these passes that Matt is going color blind that the receivers have a blanket around them? Or maybe this answers why a team that amounts so many yards ends up field goals or these stretches where we can't even get in the endzone. Second half against the Hawks nothing to speak for. Ravens nothing to speak for. Last quarter of the schedule last year for a good 6 quarters, nothing to speak for.

Does any think we're predictable?
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That's a fair question... but did you see that boot coming? That surprised the hell out of me. I would have bet $100 it was going to be a handoff to Arian and rely on the defense to win. If our offense is so predictable, then how did we gash the so-called best defense in the NFL for 476 yards?

If it wasn't for the Tate fumble, I think we win this game 23-10. Everyone would be talking about how good our offense is because the leagues best defense couldn't stop it.
 
dream_team said:
If it wasn't for the Tate fumble, I think we win this game 23-10. Everyone would be talking about how good our offense is because the leagues best defense couldn't stop it.
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We didn't cross the 50 on any possession in the second half.... well, the only time we crossed the 50 in the second half resulted in a pick 6.

We had two opportunities to put an exclamation point on the Seahawks & settled for field goals on both occasions. The Lynch Fumble... that was the moment for the Texans to prove that they're not the "2 plays away from 0-4" team.

We basically gave that game to the Seahawks from then on.

Not taking anything away from the Seahawks, they played a great game, they made the plays they needed to make. But we didn't best that defense when they showed up & we didn't stop that offense when they showed up.

If not for Jet Lag, we probably wouldn't have been in that game at all.
 
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