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Ed Reed may miss games now

CloakNNNdagger said:
The only CONTACT practice on a Monday football week usually occurs on Thursday, not Wednesday as typical. Then again you don't know how much Reed would be "let loose" even during that practice.
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I understand that, but its still more relevant to the inital topic of the thread rather than some of the other discussion. Thats why I made that comment.
 
76Texan said:
LOL.

I think we need to agree on the definition of a franchise QB.

IMO, a franchised QB is one that can help your team contend for the play-offs consistently, provided that the other units also do their job.
For example, look at Peyton's play-off record; it's 9-11.
Manning has a losing play-off record, but nobody would say that he's not a franchise QB.

We know that the Texans could have won many more games if only the D and the special team had played up to contenders level.
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That I would agree with. Saying Schaub isn't our/a Franchise QB is ludicrous.

No one would argue he's a Super Bowl Winning QB. That much is a fact.
 
76Texan said:
IMO, a franchised QB is one that can help your team contend for the play-offs consistently, provided that the other units also do their job.
For example, look at Peyton's play-off record; it's 9-11.
Manning has a losing play-off record, but nobody would say that he's not a franchise QB.
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imo, you've got a franchise QB if you're confident he gives you a chance to win any game.

Silly definition I know, because it's very subjective & it really doesn't matter what we think, Kubiak & Smith believe Matt gives them the best option to win on Sunday (or Monday, or Thursday, you know what I mean).

Let's say Kyle Orton is your QB. He gives your team the best option to win on gameday. Looking at his last season as the starter, most people would look at him & his team & figure they'd probably win 9 games, maybe 10. Kick him to the curb, install Peyton Manning & there's no doubt the Broncos will win 10 games & win the division.

The Patriots lost Hernandez, Welker, Woodhead, Gronk just had back surgery..... still can't figure out that secondary thing... issues on the OL, but they've got Brady, they're in a weak division, most likely win 10 games... blah blah blah.

If we lose our young RG, it's probably over for the Texans. Matt Schaub or no.
 
thunderkyss said:
imo, you've got a franchise QB if you're confident he gives you a chance to win any game.

Silly definition I know, because it's very subjective & it really doesn't matter what we think, Kubiak & Smith believe Matt gives them the best option to win on Sunday (or Monday, or Thursday, you know what I mean).

If we lose our young RG, it's probably over for the Texans. Matt Schaub or no.
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I agree... that it's a silly definition. :kitten:

You're describing a HOF QB and a multi-SB winning QB there!

Regarding Brook, we still have Ben Jones, who should improve in his second year (even though it's not a given, just a percentage thing.)
 
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I've been saying week 3 all along. He's close, but they are going to play it conservative which I think is prudent in his case. Maybe we will see him get his feet wet in week 2, who knows. But I think it's week 3 when he starts (just a guess)
 
76Texan said:
I agree... that it's a silly definition. :kitten:

You're describing a HOF QB and a multi-SB winning QB there!

Regarding Brook, we still have Ben Jones, who should improve in his second year (even though it's not a given, just a percentage thing.)
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Who's "Brook"?...and what position does he play? When did we sign him? See nothing on the transaction ledger even mentioning a "Brook", cut, signed, waived...nothing.

Please, do tell.
 
What happened to Billick and others insisting "This is just Ed being Ed"? We must all become realistic as the road comes closer to the end than to the beginning, things eventually change, parts start falling of, and are much more difficult to repair if they can be repaired at all. No one can deny that Reed is still a tenacious trooper, but Billick may be still remembering THIS Ed Reed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG_f1GzmwHo
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
What happened to Billick and others insisting "This is just Ed being Ed"? We must all become realistic as the road comes closer to the end than to the beginning, things eventually change, parts start falling of, and are much more difficult to repair if they can be repaired at all. No one can deny that Reed is still a tenacious trooper, but Billick may be still remembering THIS Ed Reed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG_f1GzmwHo
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It is, was and always will be Ed being Ed. So what if he sits the first game. I firmly believe its Kubiak/Smith/Wade that would prefer him to sit. No way he sits against the Ravens though
 
DX-TEX said:
It is, was and always will be Ed being Ed. So what if he sits the first game. I firmly believe its Kubiak/Smith/Wade that would prefer him to sit. No way he sits against the Ravens though
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I think he's healthy enough to play & if this were the Ravens, he'd probably play. But since this is new to Reed, new to Jjo, new to Kj I would have been surprised if he played with just one week of practice.

I said the same thing about Iverson, it's not that we think he needs practice, but the guys around him have got to "acclimate" to him & he's got to get to know his teammates.
 
I thought that I heard some talking head on the radio say that Ed has an incentive if he plays in the first game. Is there a monetary clause in his contract for suiting up for game one, or did I misunderstand their comment?
 
Rey said:
I maintain that I think he'll play. I think he'll see a few snaps throughout. Maybe 25-30.
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if he plays anywhere near that I will be estatic. Same with Posey and Cush. I also hope Newton and Wade Smith look healthier.
 
badboy said:
if he plays anywhere near that I will be estatic. Same with Posey and Cush. I also hope Newton and Wade Smith look healthier.
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Kubiak stated today that Wade Smith practiced and looked good. Stated they were still monitoring Reed
 
More "useful" information........


Ed Reed possible for Chargers, but not probable
Posted on September 5, 2013 at 1:42 pm by Dale Robertson

Gary Kubiak insisted that free safety Ed Reed has made a lot of progress since starting to work with the team for the first time Monday, but he didn’t sound confident that the former Baltimore Raven will be able to play against San Diego.

“He’s come a long way, guys,” Kubiak said. “But there’s some progress that would (still) have to be made as far getting him ready to go on Monday. I don’t want to say it can’t happen because it’s been such good progress. We’ll see day-to-day right now.”

After getting into the mix on Monday and Tuesday, Reed “participated on a limited basis” in Thursday’s workout as the Texans began putting in their game plan for the Chargers and Kubiak said Reed will be in full pads Friday.

“We’ll see how he responds to that,” Kubiak said. “But there has been great progress.”
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DX-TEX said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med..._at_work/1879a600-792b-4241-a2d4-a56917c8ff76

Ed Reed at practice today. Now Im wondering if his "not playing" is just Ed. Seriously my head hurts.
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Its kind of hard to see anything from that since he was working purely on technique, but I'd say it's 50/50 right now. Honestly I'd prefer he sit and make his debut at home next week. But if he's ready to go then he's ready to go. Getting him reps in obvious passing situations wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
Texn4life said:
Its kind of hard to see anything from that since he was working purely on technique, but I'd say it's 50/50 right now. Honestly I'd prefer he sit and make his debut at home next week. But if he's ready to go then he's ready to go. Getting him reps in obvious passing situations wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Is that you, Keo? :swatter:
 
hookinreds said:
I thought that I heard some talking head on the radio say that Ed has an incentive if he plays in the first game. Is there a monetary clause in his contract for suiting up for game one, or did I misunderstand their comment?
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Adam Schefter has reported that $1 Million in Reed's 2013 compensation is in the form of a per game incentive - meaning he gets $62,500 for every game he plays in.
 
These quotes from Reed illustrates well why I am always speaking of the risk of "COMPENSATORY INJURIES" in players coming back from injury or surgery and its role in coming back too soon (independent of concern over re-injury of the original injured area) ......... From yesterday:
(on if he has a gut feel about whether he’ll play on Monday) “We’re going to be smart about it. It probably will be a decision that’s made right before the game. That’s the way this has been going. Kind of 50-50 right now honestly. I couldn’t say if I’m going to play or not going to play. If Coach (Gary Kubiak) says it’s up to me and it’s up to me to some degree and it’s up to him too and how he feels about the team as a whole. But us, we’re communicating well and I’m moving well. I’m progressing. I’ve been progressing. I feel strong, but I know I still have some things that are weak because you have that hip surgery; you lose strength, which you’re usually losing your glut strength, your hamstring to overwork. My left hip was compensating as well. It’s a lot of maintenance that I have to do to make sure nothing else happens and I pray nothing us happens, but you can’t control it. That’s football. You tend to have injuries.”

(on if he learned more about maintaining his body because of his previous surgery) “No, I knew that from the jump. Just from the history of going through it the first time. I knew that was the case because my hamstring was tight. You’ve just got to be smart about it.”
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(on how he’s doing right now) “I’m doing well. It’s progressing. Last time I talked to you guys, it was progressing and it was good. It’s much better now. I’ve still got some scar tissue that needs to be broken up and that’s probably the thing that makes my hip guard. Mentally, I guard it a little bit, but it feels good.”

(on receiving injections and what his process has been since receiving them) “Those injections, it takes like two weeks to kick in. Two weeks would be Monday, on Monday night. I still kind of feel the injections, the needles. The needles put me to sleep. The needles are this long (gestures to hands) and I had four of them all in the same spot. That’s different than having one shot, like I had last time. It’s a little different feeling for me. It caused a little bit more scar tissue, a little bit more trauma. It kind of slowed me down a little bit as far as the workouts. Once you get the blood flowing a little bit and everything, I’m starting to feel a lot of better. You can see that I kind of stepped back you could say.”

(on what the injections were supposed to do) “The injections basically, in layman’s terms, kind of help speed up the healing process. Take the bad blood out, spin it if I’m not mistaken and put the good blood back in.”

(on if the injections were kind of like taking a half-step back in order to take a couple of steps forward) “Yeah, pretty much. Just kind of speed the process up a little bit. It does cause trauma. It does sit you down for a few days. Most guys in this locker room know, for a few days if you sit down, it takes a little bit of toll on you. It kind of gets you out of your rhythm and it did, but it’s bouncing back well, icing and moving around. I’m still just getting acclimated to the schedule and everything.”
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Besides an initial steroid injection, the most recent set of injections were evidently plasma-rich platelets. There have been hundreds of studies looking at this mode of therapy.........and, despite anecdotal testimony, the data as to prove efficacy has remained very questionable.

The first week after the injections, there should be little activity other than walking. Pain from the injections usually lasts only a few days. Typical progression of activity then goes to gentle stretching and range of motion exercises usually begun weeks 1-2 with gentle strengthening in weeks 3-6. If all goes well, eccentric strengthening at 6 weeks with sport specific training and return to play thereafter.

There is no real "positive change" that is even expected at 2 weeks post injections, and in order to gain any purported safe benefits from this therapy, the steps of post injection rehab must still not be rushed.

BTW, from Reed's explanation of they "take the bad blood out, spin it if I’m not mistaken and put the good blood back in”, he seems to have no real concept (even in lay terms) how the injections are supposed to work.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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Besides an initial steroid injection, the most recent set of injections were evidently plasma-rich platelets. There have been hundreds of studies looking at this mode of therapy.........and, despite anecdotal testimony, the data as to prove efficacy has remained very questionable.

The first week after the injections, there should be little activity other than walking. Pain from the injections usually lasts only a few days. Typical progression of activity then goes to gentle stretching and range of motion exercises usually begun weeks 1-2 with gentle strengthening in weeks 3-6. If all goes well, eccentric strengthening at 6 weeks with sport specific training and return to play thereafter.

There is no real "positive change" that is even expected at 2 weeks post injections, and in order to gain any purported safe benefits from this therapy, the steps of post injection rehab must still not be rushed.

BTW, from Reed's explanation of they "take the bad blood out, spin it if I’m not mistaken and put the good blood back in”, he seems to have no real concept (even in lay terms) how the injections are supposed to work.
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Soooo where are we on this timeline? Sixth week? Eighth week?

And I understand the timeline is an estimate; Ed may meet it, he may beat it, or he might take longer. But where are we approximately?
 
ObsiWan said:
Soooo where are we on this timeline? Sixth week? Eighth week?

And I understand the timeline is an estimate; Ed may meet it, he may beat it, or he might take longer. But where are we approximately?
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Even though you are wording your question coyly, you are still looking for a relatively specific answer.:foottap: It's so hard to tell with a player like Reed and an organization like the Texans. The truth is, like I've said with so many other players, incompletely rehabbed players can be thrown out there any time. The question is what will they look like, and will they sustain a re-injury or another injury while they're at it. The fact that he's still talking about breaking up scar tissue (with cortisone to help soften it up), then a set of platelet-rich plasma injections which are given mainly for significant pain reflecting tendon or ligament damage, and no significant amount of team contact practice under his belt, he probably shouldn't be out there for at least another 4 games or so........and then I believe his performance will likely be compromised. That being said, nothing would surprise me. But it also wouldn't surprise me if he is put out there for a game or two......and disappears again for awhile.
 
Playoffs said:
Would that be the same as "stem cell" injections, like for back issues?
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Stem cell therapy outside of bone marrow transplants have not been approved by the FDA in the US. Some limited use of umbilical chord blood for specific disease entities have been allowed, but mostly in clinical trial environments. Stem cells, sometimes called the body’s “master cells,” are the precursor cells that develop into blood, brain, bones and all of your organs. Their promise in medical treatments is that they have the potential to repair, restore, replace and regenerate cells that could then be used to treat many medical conditions and diseases. The problem is that cancers in general have now been shown to develop from these same stem cells, and when "traumatized" as in the injection process, they can easily mutate into cancerous counterparts of their intended regenerative targets.

Platelet-rich plasma is quite different. Blood is made of red blood cells, white blood cells, plasma, and platelets. Platelets were initially known to be responsible for blood clotting. In the last 20 years we have learned that when activated in the body, platelets (naturally mobilized in the body) create controlled inflammation and release healing proteins called growth factors. There are many growth factors with varying responsibilities, however cumulatively they accelerate tissue and wound healing. Therefore, under an unproven premise thus far, after increasing the baseline concentration of these platelets with platelet-rich plasma (an artificial process), we are able to deliver a powerful cocktail of growth factors that can theoretically dramatically enhance tissue recovery.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Stem cell therapy outside of bone marrow transplants have not been approved by the FDA in the US...
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A friend had a procedure where they took fat & blood(I think) and "spun" it and later injected it somewhere into his back to help with back pain. Worked wonders for him, and he's the original doubting Thomas. He said "stem", may be something else?
 
Playoffs said:
A friend had a procedure where they took fat & blood(I think) and "spun" it and later injected it somewhere into his back to help with back pain. Worked wonders for him, and he's the original doubting Thomas. He said "stem", may be something else?
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A company in Houston, Celltex, which did this was shut down by the FDA for manufacturing infractions in January. Furthermore, there are renegade doctors that do these procedures without approval or regulatory oversight. This type of therapy is neither considered proven (some can have dramatic placebo effect) nor safe.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
A company in Houston, Celltex, which did this was shut down by the FDA for manufacturing infractions in January. Furthermore, there are renegade doctors that do these procedures without approval or regulatory oversight. This type of therapy is neither considered proven (some can have dramatic placebo effect) nor safe.
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C'mon Doc, they said those things about leeches once too.
 
jaayteetx said:
C'mon Doc, they said those things about leeches once too.
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Big difference. For years and years, I've used leeches in salvaging some of my flap reconstruction and replantation of digits and limbs. Same for maggots in cleaning up wounds with gangrenous tissue within. There has NEVER been a question as to IF leech and maggot therapy works. Egyptians used leech and maggot therapy 3,500 years ago. The treatments were back in vogue during the Middle Ages, and again in the 1800s. These therapies were not FDA-approved until the early 2000s, not because it was felt that they were not effective, but because before that time, a company growing and distributing them for medical use could not prove that the leeches and maggots would be disease-free and could not themselves transmit disease.
 
CretorFrigg said:
It's starting to look more and more like ol' Ed is pulling an Ahman Green.
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Can we at least wait until he tries to play a game first? And Ahman Green didn't pull anything. The Texans signed him, and he wasn't very good when they did. That falls on the Texans, not him. Is he supposed to turn down a multi-million dollar contract?
 
Texn4life said:
Can we at least wait until he tries to play a game first? And Ahman Green didn't pull anything. The Texans signed him, and he wasn't very good when they did. That falls on the Texans, not him. Is he supposed to turn down a multi-million dollar contract?
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How about the Texans pulled another Boselli? No one is blaming Reed so calm down. The Texans made yet another mistake on an old player in the FA market. Why do they refuse to get legit serviceable non choir boy players as FAs? It sure would be nice if they ever decided to get a REAL #2 FA WR opposite AJ but they'll do that once AJ is gone and we need a #1 WR.

If Reed plays 5 games this year I will be shocked. Which would be 5x as many as Boselli.
 
potisyourfriend said:
How about the Texans pulled another Boselli? No one is blaming Reed so calm down. The Texans made yet another mistake on an old player in the FA market. Why do they refuse to get legit serviceable players as FAs?
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Manning, JoJo have been good.

As everyone knows we have never been a team to go after big name FAs or break the bank during the off season, so i was surprised when we got JoJo and Manning, even more surprised when the signed Reed, but i think we'll play and i think he will help us win a championship.

All we need him there for is in the play-offs.
 
EllisUnit said:
Manning, JoJo have been good.

As everyone knows we have never been a team to go after big name FAs or break the bank during the off season, so i was surprised when we got JoJo and Manning, even more surprised when the signed Reed, but i think we'll play and i think he will help us win a championship.

All we need him there for is in the play-offs.
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I hope they play and don't forfeit. Ed needs to be there before the Playoffs. You think a player on Defense at the tender age of 50 can just show up for the Playoffs and be good?
 
potisyourfriend said:
I hope they play and don't forfeit. Ed needs to be there before the Playoffs. You think a player on Defense at the tender age of 50 can just show up for the Playoffs and be good?
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age of 50 > And if i'm not mistake didnt the ravens win the SB with these 2 50 year olds in reed and lewis ?
 
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