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Natl' writer predicts 8-8 for Texans, blown out of division race

I could see 8-8 or 9-7. I think 9-7 is probably more reasonable. If we win 10 games that will be a huge win IMO.
 
Rey said:
I could see 8-8 or 9-7. I think 9-7 is probably more reasonable. If we win 10 games that will be a huge win IMO.
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So this roster is worst than 2012 or schedule or exactly what gets you to those numbers?
 
badboy said:
So this roster is worst than 2012 or schedule or exactly what gets you to those numbers?
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It's just my opinion.

Doesn't mean I don't think we can't win a superbowl...But I think this years schedule is going to be much harder than last year's and I don't think we've significantly upgraded to counteract that.

But again, winning a bunch of games in the regular season doesn't mean anything to me really. Win enough to get in, and then have your team making plays at the right times.
 
I would be surprised if the Texans fell to 8-8.

I expect 10-6 or better, provided the starting roster stays healthy.
 
StarStruck said:
Really! Why?
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I don't agree with 8-8, but I'll take a stab at it.

No LBers. The best LB this preseason was probably Brooks Reed. Cushing is going to have some problems getting back to form, and that injury does take time to come back from. Remember Ryans didn't start to play like himself until late in the season. Willie Jefferson is a nice rookie, but he's still a rookie, and raw at that.

OL - I think the OL is going to be as bad as it was last season. That doesn't necessarily equate to more losses right off, but it does make it harder for them to be effective on offense, especially in the red zone. Ben Jones is not good and Newton is somewhere between bad and awful at pass pro. Brooks at RG might be a beast in the run game, but he's going to have some problems in pass pro as well.

Schedule - I think this year's schedule is tougher. '49ers, Seahawks, Pats, Ravens, and Broncos are all among the top 3 or 4 teams in their conference. The Colts are never an easy game, and Luck will be that much more seasoned when he faces them.

Schaub - sorry, I know some will disagree with me, but the guy is an issue. He's been off target thus far in the preseason, and last year's late season slide has done nothing to bolster my confidence in him. After 2011, everyone said the Texans were one Matt Schaub away from winning the Super Bowl. Well, the 2012 Texans got their Matt Schaub and there wasn't much difference in the end. He'll put up his usual stats, and they'll be just as useless as they've always been. Moving the ball between the 20s and settling for FGs seems to be what Schaub (and Kubiak) excels at. If Foster can regain his 2011 form, then some of those FGs become TDs, and that will matter. But because of the aforementioned OL, I don't see that happening, and then it falls to Schaub.

Safety - Manning is solid. After that, you have a 35 year old safety with a blown out hip that couldn't tackle last year, a rookie that hasn't proven to be ready for prime time just yet, and a special teams try hard guy that just can't quite cut it at the position. Oh, and a second round bust at CB being moved to safety to see if he can be salvaged. And Eddie Pleasant.

All that said, I reiterate that I don't buy 8-8. I could see 9-7 if a key injury or two happened (*knock wood*), but 10-6 seems more likely to me, and that should be good enough to win the division. 11 or 12 wins is feasible if the aforementioned concerned prove to be unfounded.
 
eriadoc said:
I don't agree with 8-8, but I'll take a stab at it.

No LBers. The best LB this preseason was probably Brooks Reed. Cushing is going to have some problems getting back to form, and that injury does take time to come back from. Remember Ryans didn't start to play like himself until late in the season. Willie Jefferson is a nice rookie, but he's still a rookie, and raw at that.

OL - I think the OL is going to be as bad as it was last season. That doesn't necessarily equate to more losses right off, but it does make it harder for them to be effective on offense, especially in the red zone. Ben Jones is not good and Newton is somewhere between bad and awful at pass pro. Brooks at RG might be a beast in the run game, but he's going to have some problems in pass pro as well.

Schedule - I think this year's schedule is tougher. '49ers, Seahawks, Pats, Ravens, and Broncos are all among the top 3 or 4 teams in their conference. The Colts are never an easy game, and Luck will be that much more seasoned when he faces them.

Schaub - sorry, I know some will disagree with me, but the guy is an issue. He's been off target thus far in the preseason, and last year's late season slide has done nothing to bolster my confidence in him. After 2011, everyone said the Texans were one Matt Schaub away from winning the Super Bowl. Well, the 2012 Texans got their Matt Schaub and there wasn't much difference in the end. He'll put up his usual stats, and they'll be just as useless as they've always been. Moving the ball between the 20s and settling for FGs seems to be what Schaub (and Kubiak) excels at. If Foster can regain his 2011 form, then some of those FGs become TDs, and that will matter. But because of the aforementioned OL, I don't see that happening, and then it falls to Schaub.

Safety - Manning is solid. After that, you have a 35 year old safety with a blown out hip that couldn't tackle last year, a rookie that hasn't proven to be ready for prime time just yet, and a special teams try hard guy that just can't quite cut it at the position. Oh, and a second round bust at CB being moved to safety to see if he can be salvaged. And Eddie Pleasant.

All that said, I reiterate that I don't buy 8-8. I could see 9-7 if a key injury or two happened (*knock wood*), but 10-6 seems more likely to me, and that should be good enough to win the division. 11 or 12 wins is feasible if the aforementioned concerned prove to be unfounded.
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Damn, nailed pretty much every concern I have and why I think we'll go 8-8 except for a couple. First is Kubes is not going to be able to adapt and beat elite teams and we have too many of them on our schedule. The other is our special teams continues to look awful and Kubes and company of course never addressed it besides adding a freaking ST Assistant so we'll be getting sucky ass special teams again thanks to Kubes and his idiotic blind loyalties.
 
The Pats still have a lot of problems on Defense and Brady had lost a few weapons (Welker, Hernandez, and Woodhead).

With Von Miller suspended for the first six games (who knows what shape he's going to be in upon his return), the recent injury to Bailey and Wolfe, it's easy to see that the Broncos could lose a couple of games right off the bat against the Ravens and the Giants. One of two other teams might just pull out a win against a Miller-less defense that has basically little to no pass pressure anywhere else now that Dummervil is gone.
Upon his return, Miller will be in Indianapolis.
Then they will face RGIII at home before a meeting with Rivers in SD.
The Broncos are likely to have a 7-4 or 6-5 record during that period with two games on the road against the Pats and the Texans to follow.
 
76Texan said:
The Pats still have a lot of problems on Defense and Brady had lost a few weapons (Welker, Hernandez, and Woodhead).

With Von Miller suspended for the first six games (who knows what shape he's going to be in upon his return), the recent injury to Bailey and Wolfe, it's easy to see that the Broncos could lose a couple of games right off the bat against the Ravens and the Giants. One of two other teams might just pull out a win against a Miller-less defense that has basically little to no pass pressure anywhere else now that Dummervil is gone.
Upon his return, Miller will be in Indianapolis.
Then they will face RGIII at home before a meeting with Rivers in SD.
The Broncos are likely to have a 7-4 or 6-5 record during that period with two games on the road against the Pats and the Texans to follow.
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What does any of that have to do with the Texans record?
 
I can kind of understand you guys saying we didn't improve as a team from last season (but I actually disagree). Tell me what elite team in the AFC has improved from last season? Broncos, Patriots, Ravens have all lost players and have big questions marks up & down their rosters as well.

The only playoff team that has improved their roster are probably the Colts, but I still think think they're a year or two away from contending.
 
dream_team said:
I can kind of understand you guys saying we didn't improve as a team from last season (but I actually disagree). Tell me what elite team in the AFC has improved from last season? Broncos, Patriots, Ravens have all lost players and have big questions marks up & down their rosters as well.

The only playoff team that has improved their roster are probably the Colts, but I still think think they're a year or two away from contending.
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I don't think those teams needed to improve. I don't recall those teams getting blown out by the same team twice with one blow out coming in the play-offs. That's pretty bad....I don't understand how one team is on such a higher level than you that they blow you out twice within the span of a few weeks. That's pretty damn bad thinking about it.

I think we did improve, but I think the core problems on this team still exist until proven otherwise.
 
If the Texans go 8-8 with the best defensive player on the planet , the pink slips should be fast and furious .

Having said that , JJ doesn't make as much difference as Andrew Luck and that concerns me . Schaubs no where near Brady or Manning and that's who the Texans are competeing with
 
I'm not a big fan of the schedule.

I'll say one more thing: if the Texans win only 1 of their last 4 games like they have the last couple of seasons they will NOT make the playoffs this time. This year they must finish with some wins.
 
badboy said:
So this roster is worst than 2012 or schedule or exactly what gets you to those numbers?
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Its the schedule...has to be. We've got Seattle & SF, Denver, Baltimore & NE on deck this year. then we have to contend with the colts twice in our division in which case everyone expects them to make a huge jump this year. The rams are no pushover either. That's potential 8 losses right there. We'll likely win at least 2 of these though so i'm not worried. Our record may not be as good as last years' but i think this schedule helps up put it together in the playoffs though....We definitely will be battled tested this year.
 
"National writer" ..... like that lends some credence to his opinion.

Mike Lombardi had an opinion, too. Pfft.
 
I was waiting for one of those 'predict the number of wins this season' threads to pop up to post this, but my prediction is 9-7.

There are several reasons for my prediction, the first being the defense. The linebacker situation is of concern to me with so much inexperience and guys returning from injuries being counted upon for a team with supposed Super Bowl aspirations. Even if Brooks Reed and Mercilus start, I don't think that's a strong duo of OLBs. Reed has been inconsistent and Mercilus has yet to prove himself as a starting caliber linebacker. Could they become good players? Sure and I hope they do, but to me the evidence (especially with Reed) is that they're not going to produce the way we need them to. Secondly, all these late round draft picks and undrafted free agents may look good in training camp and the preseason, but the regular season is a different beast and odds are they're not going to cut it. The secondary has not looked good in the preseason, but I'm counting on JJo and KJ to turn it up once the season starts. But with Ed Reed's situation and counting on Shiloh Keo to start the season, this should be of concern to the Texans coaching staff. Also Manning took a step back last year and who knows how much he has left in the tank. NT was a concern of mine, but it looks like Earl Mitchell will be adequate as a starter for now. Overall, when you take all of these things into consideration, I think the defense is likely to suffer this season unless JJ Watt can clone 10 copies of himself to play defense.

On the offense, the biggest worrisome thing is still Gary Kubiak. From what I saw in the preseason, the offense looks just like last year's version. We all know that one of things that killed the Texans late last season was the lack of flexibility on the offense. The Texans run an offense that looks good early on in the game and that plods through the rest of the game. I was counting on seeing some quick snaps, 5 receiver sets, new formations, and etc., but I didn't see any of that. I'm not saying they haven't worked on it and are waiting to unveil it when it matters, but from what I've seen nothing has changed. Great teams like the 49'ers, SeaHawks, Patriots will figure out how to beat us just like last season when other teams figured us out. Then there's the Matt Schaub conundrum. He's the best we have and we have to live with him, but it still doesn't make me happy. I won't go over what's been repeated what must have been a billion times already, but I'm not a fan of Schaub and until he actually leads this team to the Conference championship game I'm not a Matt Schaub believer. Lastly, the offensive line is a question mark and when combined with Schaub's lack of mobility it's a recipe for disaster imo.

Given everything I've mentioned here I don't think you can call me illogical for saying the Texans going 9-7 this season. Could they win 13 or 14 games? Yeah absolutely and I would love for that to happen. But I'm a man of science and there are way too many variables involved with the Texans. Too many things have to go just right for us to reach the Super Bowl or at least make a deep run into the playoffs. I don't see it happening.
 
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Oh lord this is just another Luck worshiper, he is saying we have the more talented roster, with the most experience but we dont have luck. What a waste of time it was for me to read that short article.

Question, is lucks butt big enough for all the kissing that goes on it ?
 
eriadoc said:
Cushing is going to have some problems getting back to form, and that injury does take time to come back from. Remember Ryans didn't start to play like himself until late in the season. Willie Jefferson is a nice rookie, but he's still a rookie, and raw at that.
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Ryans tore his Achilles... big difference from an ACL.

TheIronDuke said:
Damn, nailed pretty much every concern I have and why I think we'll go 8-8 except for a couple. First is Kubes is not going to be able to adapt and beat elite teams and we have too many of them on our schedule.
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Once again, I think we're spoiled. Kubiak did what he had to do to win last year. We were not a 12 win team, but we did what we had to do (even if Jim Schwartz gifted us that TD).

Kubiak's a killer.... stone cold. He wants to air it out, he wants to pull the rope-a-dope & make the other team look stupid. I think we'll see more of that this year..... because our offense is better. Schaub's always done a good job of spreading the ball around while making sure Andre got his touches. Andre, Hop, Posey, OD, Graham.... we're going to make a lot of teams look stupid. Foster, Tate, Wood.....

Teams used to look at the Texans on their schedule & they'd "pencil" in the W. Now, they're going to be all.....

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Rey said:
I don't think those teams needed to improve. I don't recall those teams getting blown out by the same team twice with one blow out coming in the play-offs. That's pretty bad....I don't understand how one team is on such a higher level than you that they blow you out twice within the span of a few weeks. That's pretty damn bad thinking about it.

I think we did improve, but I think the core problems on this team still exist until proven otherwise.
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Any team that didn't win the championship obviously needs improvement. So your argument about not needing improvements is asinine.
 
Not sure why anyone would even care or be butt hurt over the article. 1 writer predicted Atlanta v. Houston, several others have Houston at 10-11 wins, a few have them 8-9...So what!!
Predictions are like buttholes... we all got them and most of the time they are full of **it!!

Happy Friday guys... They beat Dallas!
 
Does anybody here get the feeling of déjà vu since every year there are people who say "ohhhhh this schedule is way tougher". Same thing last year, only it was look at all the elite QB's we face!

We still play almost a third of our games against Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker and a Colts team that thought Gosser Cherilus is a great o linemen. Also play the Raiders and Chiefs (which brings us to all 3 of the top picking teams in the draft).

8-8 would be a huge letdown.
 
b0ng said:
Does anybody here get the feeling of déjà vu since every year there are people who say "ohhhhh this schedule is way tougher". Same thing last year, only it was look at all the elite QB's we face!

We still play almost a third of our games against Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker and a Colts team that thought Gosser Cherilus is a great o linemen. Also play the Raiders and Chiefs (which brings us to all 3 of the top picking teams in the draft).

8-8 would be a huge letdown.
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This.

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The Texans's only goal is a super bowl . When a writer picks 8-8 for a SB contender , it means there are weak spots. We know that if the right players go down along with said weak spots , you could go 8-8 . This could be said for all contending teams .

Todays Texans play a lot different than the Broncos , Patriots , Saints , and so on . Their game is to run plays as quick as possible while the Texans goal is time of possesion . A possesion game backfires vs teams that score quick if they're scoring TDs and you have to run with them .
 
b0ng said:
Does anybody here get the feeling of déjà vu since every year there are people who say "ohhhhh this schedule is way tougher". Same thing last year, only it was look at all the elite QB's we face!

We still play almost a third of our games against Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker and a Colts team that thought Gosser Cherilus is a great o linemen. Also play the Raiders and Chiefs (which brings us to all 3 of the top picking teams in the draft).

8-8 would be a huge letdown.
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To me, it's not about the schedule anymore. It's about distractions, it's about complacency.

Jj Watt's popularity is going out the roof, the media is going to be asking a lot from him. They're all over Aj & Ed Reed's hip could be another "distraction"

Going from perennial losers to one of the more prolific teams in the league is one thing & presents a certain set of challenges. This group, imo, has done a fine job (though they took longer than I'd have liked) managing those challenges.

Following a successful season with another successful season presents another set of challenges all together. Again this group handled it fine, going from 2011 to 2012. The question is can they do it again, actually it's can they do it better than they did last time.

We've gotten to the point where the room for improvement isn't as big as it used to be & we're squeezing out every last bit of performance we can. Going from 50% to 80% is one thing. Going from 80% to 100% is more difficult.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
The Texans's only goal is a super bowl . When a writer picks 8-8 for a SB contender , it means there are weak spots. We know that if the right players go down along with said weak spots , you could go 8-8 . This could be said for all contending teams .
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I think everyone can stay healthy all year and we can play good football a majority of the time and still finish around 8-8 or 9-7.

I don't know this writers reasoning and don't really care, but I don't think an 8-8 record will automatically mean that we sucked.

We could play well and go 8-8, and miss the play offs but if we played good football I'd actually be more pleased with that ending that I was with last season.

We play some good teams this season. I think our division will play us tougher. We have the Broncos and Pats towards the end of the year. We have some tough teams in back to back weeks.

It's mostly about the schedule for me.
 
I think we are more likely to end up 8-8 than 12-4, but I'll split the difference and say 10-6. Hey this schedule is definitely tougher than last year and our own division strength overall has only one to go. The wild-card is Indy ? Luck will be better, but I have no idea what kind of contribution they might get from thier Draft and free agents ?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
The Texans's only goal is a super bowl . When a writer picks 8-8 for a SB contender , it means there are weak spots. We know that if the right players go down along with said weak spots , you could go 8-8 . This could be said for all contending teams .

Todays Texans play a lot different than the Broncos , Patriots , Saints , and so on . Their game is to run plays as quick as possible while the Texans goal is time of possesion . A possesion game backfires vs teams that score quick if they're scoring TDs and you have to run with them .
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Every team has weak spots..even the contenders, they're just not as obvious as some of the other contenders. Also, what national writer that you know knows our personnel well enough to call out weak spots on our team? All these chumps do is look at the qb situation, then the schedule and then peruse a few messageboards like this to get an idea of what the fans are saying about their team & base their "predictions" off that.

To be honest, i take what these guys say with a grain of salt b/c NFL writers are the worst of all sports pundits at predicting records. Every year there's always 1-2 teams who come out of nowhere. Also injuries always play a factor in how teams get through the season. And here lately, there's been a trend of teams getting hot at the right time & riding that heat all the way to the superbowl...which is yet another thing these pundits can't possibly account for.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
If the Texans go 8-8 with the best defensive player on the planet , the pink slips should be fast and furious .

Having said that , JJ doesn't make as much difference as Andrew Luck and that concerns me . Schaubs no where near Brady or Manning and that's who the Texans are competeing with
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Over the last decade Brady and Manning have 1 Lombardi trophy. They are great, but it takes more than that to win a Super Bowl.

The Texans have improved:

They've added DeAndre Hopkins.
Devier Posey was beginning to look like a decent receiver and he's back.
Cushing is back. I realize it took Ryans half a year to get back to form. Different injuries. Look at the running backs coming back from ACLs last season.
A FS that can make plays. Quin might be younger, but he isn't as good playing deep as Reed will be. Reed doesn't need to be here for the whole season. He's here for December through Feb 2,2014. He'll be on the field and contribute before then, but that's when you need to have that veteran presence that won't be scared of Brady.

I really don't see how people think the Texans will be worse. The record might not be as good, but records can be misleading. The Colts were 11-5 on paper last season. That wasn't an 11 win team. It wasn't a playoff caliber team. They got extremely lucky by going 9-1 in 1 score games. On average a playoff team can expect to be 5-5 in those games. They turned the ball over with a Steve Francis like proclivity. They have lost Bruce Arians and won't have the emotional juice of Pagano's cancer fueling their drive. They're coming back to earth for another year or 2.

The Texans will finish 11-5 or something along those lines and win the division. They will lose a game that they shouldn't lose (Minnesota last year or Indy on the road the year before). They'll win a game most people think they shouldn't have a chance in (Denver on the road last year, on the road in Cincy the year before). Have faith.
 
Rey said:
I think everyone can stay healthy all year and we can play good football a majority of the time and still finish around 8-8 or 9-7.

I don't know this writers reasoning and don't really care, but I don't think an 8-8 record will automatically mean that we sucked.

We could play well and go 8-8, and miss the play offs but if we played good football I'd actually be more pleased with that ending that I was with last season.

We play some good teams this season. I think our division will play us tougher. We have the Broncos and Pats towards the end of the year. We have some tough teams in back to back weeks.

It's mostly about the schedule for me.
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Mr teX said:
Every team has weak spots..even the contenders, they're just not as obvious as some of the other contenders. Also, what national writer that you know knows our personnel well enough to call out weak spots on our team? All these chumps do is look at the qb situation, then the schedule and then peruse a few messageboards like this to get an idea of what the fans are saying about their team & base their "predictions" off that.

To be honest, i take what these guys say with a grain of salt b/c NFL writers are the worst of all sports pundits at predicting records. Every year there's always 1-2 teams who come out of nowhere. Also injuries always play a factor in how teams get through the season. And here lately, there's been a trend of teams getting hot at the right time & riding that heat all the way to the superbowl...which is yet another thing these pundits can't possibly account for.
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We could go 8-8 and it doesn't mean we have a tougher schedule , it means the schedule exposed the Texans and they didn't push the right buttons . The Ravens fired their OC with two games let in the season and the rest is history . If you are a true contender the other teams look at you and say that's a tough game , that's Denver , SF , NE and so on .

I don't really care what the pundits say this is more my observations . The Texans need to get 4.5 yards a pop running and the defense needs to be back to at least the 2011 level . They need to get the OLBs to really step it up , Ed Reed has to be a big upgrade over Keo , and JJo has got to get back to his old self .
 
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Honoring Earl 34 said:
I don't really care what the pundits say this is more my observations . The Texans need to get 4.5 yards a pop running and the defense needs to be back to at least the 2011 level . They need to get the OLBs to really step it up , Ed Reed has to be a big upgrade over Keo , and JJo has got to get back to his old self .
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Earl, you're describing a SB winner/contender right there. :smooch:
 
We have holes that really haven't been addressed this offseason

OLB
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Safety - I know we signed Reed but until he plays we really don't know what he has left in the tank.

I just feel like the losses in free agency the past two years are just too much to overcome and finish with 11 or 12 wins.
 
10-6 is about right.

The only new impact addition is DeAndre at WR. AJ is older, Ed Reed could be the second-coming of Ahmad Green.

The Texans still have only one pass rusher, and I doubt anyone really thinks that JJ will duplicate his 2012 campaign.

Yes the Broncos and Pats got weaker, but younger teams like the Bengals and Colts have gotten stronger.

Thankfully the Titans and Jags still suck
 
The1ApplePie said:
10-6 is about right.

The only new impact addition is DeAndre at WR. AJ is older, Ed Reed could be the second-coming of Ahmad Green.

The Texans still have only one pass rusher, and I doubt anyone really thinks that JJ will duplicate his 2012 campaign.

Yes the Broncos and Pats got weaker, but younger teams like the Bengals and Colts have gotten stronger.

Thankfully the Titans and Jags still suck
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I think 11-5 is better, perhaps even 12-4. Other than that, I agree on everything you said except for the Colts getting stronger and the Titans sucking. I think the Jags pull up 4th place in the division this year because they are just horrible. And the word horrible doesn't do itself justice in this case. I think the Titans are better than we give them credit for, and the Colts are worse than we give them credit for.
 
texanhead08 said:
We have holes that really haven't been addressed this offseason
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Well... we drafted two OLBs & brought in two UDFAs & had about as open a competition as you can for the position.

We signed Ed Reed, drafted Dj Swearinger, brought in a UDFA, & while not an open competition, they all ('cept Reed) played plenty of snaps.

The holes you mentioned have been addressed.. but you're right, we haven't solved them as far as we can tell.
 
thunderkyss said:
Well... we drafted two OLBs & brought in two UDFAs & had about as open a competition as you can for the position.

We signed Ed Reed, drafted Dj Swearinger, brought in a UDFA, & while not an open competition, they all ('cept Reed) played plenty of snaps.

The holes you mentioned have been addressed.. but you're right, we haven't solved them as far as we can tell.
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Would you take the over or under of 20 sacks by all the OLBs combined ?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
If Mercilus gets 10 to 12 , I think we can squeak out the rest from the other guys .
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These things are hard to predict.
Like I've mentioned before, it certainly looked to me like for the good chunk of time, Wade wanted his end men to keep contain of the edges.

Sure, there were instances when he wanted them to pin their ears back and go, but the first instances were more prevalent.

My thinking is that Wade doesn't want the runners like Peterson and C Johnson to bounce to the outside, and he wants to limit the mobile QBs that we faced to have too much liberty to the outside.

Not the opponents didn't try, but overall, I think the results were limited.

He might change it up some this year though, so one can never tell.

Think of it this way; you have guys like Watt, Ninja, Cushing, and now Mitchell who can all create havoc inside.
Add to that the possibility of Crick, Jamison, and McClain; I think the odds are he would keep the same strategy for the most part, with an occasional safety blitz of the edge.
I think it's a sound strategy.
 
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