For the long-term obviously any team would prefer a 27-year-old Quin over a 34-year-old Reed if they have the cap resources to execute the deal. So for the very short-term I don't care if Reed is a stop-gap solution to Quin's departure as long as the Reed acquisition dosen't create any adverse cap implications beyond the current NFL Fiscal Year.
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Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans
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handswarmer
Rookie
He's closer to the back end than the front end...
handswarmer
Rookie
The saga with gaither started when the ravens drafted the Blind Side M Oher. gaiother was making min salary at LT, Oher 1st rd LT pick money at RT ; Harbaugh switched them (even after Gaither being named in thetop 10 LT's) and Gaither suddenly developed a back injury, was cut a year later.
McKinnie was brought in as insurance; he paid off when Oher was exposed as a LT; McKinnie shut down some of the best pass rushers in the game when he finally got into the lineup- Giants, Freeney, Mathis, Dumervil, Von Miller, Aldon Smith, etc.....
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
The point was our worst S who we benched for poor decisions rated ahead of Reed.
Fair or not though...... contracts set expectations and Reed's won't be anywhere close to Mario's so its a pretty ridiculous comparison when that's considered. I think the Texans are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. A guy motivated to prove his doubters wrong and show he can still play. If you read through this thread not many people are expecting the Reed of old though so comparing him to Mario doesn't make sense from this standpoint.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Ravens defense was very bad for much of the year. Ngata was hurt. Webb was IR'd. Lewis and Suggs missed much of the year...
What Reed can still do is ballhawk and make plays in centerfield. With the pressure our front 7 gets on QBs, Reed will have lots of playmaking opportunities. I think this is the point. Quin is solid. However, he doesn't fit the makeup of their high pressure, big play defense... At $1 million per year, he was an asset. However, they can't spend $5 million a year on a non-playmaker at safety and also spend all the money they plan to in the front 7 (Cushing, Watt, A.Smith, Mercilus, Reed, Barwin or replacement)
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
What pressure? That was our biggest problem. When your DE in a 3/4 is your leading sacker you have problems.
This is where I'm at, as well.
I've got mixed feelings. I saw the ticker on NFLN last night and I was instantly stoked. It's Ed freakin' Reed for crying out loud!
But, then the other side hit me. We are probably being used as leverage. And if he does sign, will Wade vary his offense to meet the talent? Or will he make the talent fit the system, which might not be the players' strengths? Like Vinny mentioned, this is a man coverage defense, and Reed has been in a cover 2.
I like his veteran presence and leadership that he'd bring, but with age and probably injury, plus diminishing skills, I'm seeing this as a temporary patch as much as anything else.
That said, I won't be unhappy if we sign him.
Quin is replaceable. What is wrong with you people?!!
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#TomSavageDontCare
Ed Reed is like 109 years old
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
If we throw a bunch of money at him, I will be. Better options out there, imo.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Desperate? How is it desperate to go after a veteran safety when Quin signed elsewhere?
Ed Reed is still Ed Reed. The intimidation factor alone is worth it.
eriadoc
Texan-American
With whom? Ed Reed? Hate to break it to you, but Quin was better than Reed this year. You think Quin is replaceable with a rookie? Rookies make lots of dumb mistakes, and safety is the last line of defense - kind of where you don't want rookie mistakes. So you just coached up Quin for four years and then let him go just to start that cycle over again.
Ultimately, I agree with you that Quin is replaceable, but I don't see anything the Texans did in preparing to replace him, nor do I see Ed Reed as a replacement. So if he's replaceable, let's see them replace him.
Reed is a stop gap so they can draft his replacement and come cheaper than Quin. You do realize they can't keep everyone right? And Watt AND Cushing are gonna get PAID soon.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
What are you talking about? Rick Smith drafted Keo in the 5th and signed Eddie Pleasant to the PSquad. Clearly he didn't need to pay Quin because Keo is the next man up! All hail Rick Smith!
eriadoc
Texan-American
That's fine, but then you're basically admitting that they haven't prepared for his replacement and in fact will not be replacing him this season at all. They'll just be going with a stopgap. So I take you back to your original statement - if Quin is replaceable, then why the hell aren't they replacing him? Hint: He's not so replaceable right now.
Also, your assertion would make a lot more sense if they had even offered Quin a contract before he went to Detroit. They never offered him anything at all, which tells me they aren't even trying to keep him.
Are the Texans not in Win Now mode?
eriadoc
Texan-American
If they were in win now mode, they'd put the best players on the field. That would be Glover Quin ahead of Ed Reed, sad to say. If they were in win now mode, one would expect that they might be willing to sacrifice a bit of the future salary cap in order to win now.
I don't think that's necessarily the case, nor do I advocate that sort of thing. They believe they're building a team that can consistently compete year in and year out, a la Pats or Steelers. I believe they're doing this part of it wrong, that's all.
Glover Quin is not a playmaker.
eriadoc
Texan-American
See, now you're just shifting arguments in some desperate attempt to score points. No one ever said Glover Quin was a playmaker. I don't even think he's worth the $5M he got from the Lions. But based on last year and his advancing age, for every play that Ed Reed makes these days, he screws up several more. It happens to the greatest of players. I still would like Ed Reed on the team, but at an appropriate salary and used sparingly in spot work and the playoffs.
Glover Quin is a better player than Ed Reed at the present stages in their careers. Quin will never be half as good as Ed Reed was in his prime.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
and still better than anybody in the secondary that the Texans have...
what does that tell you about Quinn...
GP
Go Texans!
I guess an old Ed Reed beats a young Shiloh Keo. Anybody agree? OK, Agreed.
This is a "meh" situation for me. We're Ed Reed Damned If We Do, or we will be Shiloh Keo Damned If We Don't.
Pick your poison. I'll take the veteran with physical issues over the Finnegan Lite guy every day of the week.
One thing Ed can do, that Mario NEVER did: He inspires people. He's a model of determination and professionalism. The two guys are miles apart on that issue, IMO, and If you're the front 7 for Houston you feel a little more freedom to pin your ears back than you did in 2012...even if it's the placebo effect. Who cares.
This is a "meh" situation for me. We're Ed Reed Damned If We Do, or we will be Shiloh Keo Damned If We Don't.
Pick your poison. I'll take the veteran with physical issues over the Finnegan Lite guy every day of the week.
One thing Ed can do, that Mario NEVER did: He inspires people. He's a model of determination and professionalism. The two guys are miles apart on that issue, IMO, and If you're the front 7 for Houston you feel a little more freedom to pin your ears back than you did in 2012...even if it's the placebo effect. Who cares.
GP
Go Texans!
Nope. He just finds ways to make big plays at the right times, in big games.
Something the whole defense could use more of. JJ Watt being the exception to that statement.
I think this is a boom or bust acquisition if we end up getting Ed Reed. And I would expect him to last no more than 2 years at the most. A stop-gap solution until we can maybe groom a new Safety. And then Manning will be needing attention since his 4-year deal is up in a couple of years.
We're going to have to really do some fantastic things in the draft and free agency for the next two years to prepare for the expiring contracts of Manning and Joseph. Money and age will result in us needing another CB and probably TWO Safeties. Good times, eh? Ugh.
GP
Go Texans!
I nailed it a few posts before this one you just posted.
Quin, Casey, and Barwin are walking because they wanted to go after Ed Reed. I had a feeling we would pay Ed Reed whatever Quin was getting. Which is going to blow some Texans' fans minds out of their skull at the thought of paying an old man whatever Quin just got with the Lions.
LOL.
Let the
begin.I nailed it a few posts before this one you just posted.
Quin, Casey, and Barwin are walking because they wanted to go after Ed Reed. I had a feeling we would pay Ed Reed whatever Quin was getting. Which is going to blow some Texans' fans minds out of their skull at the thought of paying an old man whatever Quin just got with the Lions.
LOL.
Let the
I think its all about the amount of years commitment. We'll draft a rookie and groom him to start for less than a mil a year. Then next year we may let Antonio walk and get a cheaper replacement for him.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
wow somebody please help this dude take his Glover Quinn colored glasses off...
Quinn better than Reed, where do I start laughing? You want to go by stats, find go by stats but somebody once said stats are for losers. What Ed Reed brings to the table is by far more than anything, including youth, that Glover Quinn brings. You say for every play Reed makes he screw up several more, did you not watch Glover Quinn this year? I tell you for certain, I watched Quinn chasing more WR that blew past him that keeping up with them.
I will agree the Texans haven't figured out yet who will replace Quinn, oh yes they did, how about a HOF Super Bowl Champion FS that can teach a younger, drafted FS the ins and outs of how to play the position Reed made great...
Reed at 34-35 is still a far better value to THIS Texans defense than Quinn is in his prime....
but, I would not be surprised to see Reed become a Colt and play for his old DC before it is all said and done...
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Geez. $6 million for one season is fine. If he wants a multi-year contract, then no thanks.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
6 mill a year for what 2-3 years, for a HOF FS is freaking a steal for everything he brings to the table...
Reed could easily get between 8-9 mil a year just by his name alone from another team...
are you really this Anit-Reed?
Titans Sux 72
Waterboy
"Sacrifice a bit of the future salary cap in order to win now. "
So in a year we have to cut Dwain Brown to sign Watt. Release Cush cause we signed Quinn.
Yeah that will go over like a turd in a punch bowl.
Get over it Quinn is GONE. You can't sign everybody. Draft the next man up. Win now with what you got. Reed is a better alternative than Keo. To me this shows they are trying to win now with the future in mind.
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Waterboy
GQ got $5 mill a year am I correct?
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I believe so and the Lions are still gonna suck...
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I think this is what they have in mind. Sign a HOF FS that can not only contribute still, but groom his replacement at a position that made Reed a HOF'er....
If you want the best FS in the league in 2-3 years, why not hire the best teacher in the league? Now it is Kubiak, Phillips and Smith's job to go find that player in the draft.
Truth be told, I would have Reed in on that meeting when looking for that player...
HoustonRaven
Practice Squad
Not trying to be snarky here, but as a Ravens fan and knowing that we play y'all this year, I hope you do sign Reed.
He's one year too late.
He's one year too late.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Seriously? you seriously think after the Raven gut their team, Thanks Joe!, you are gonna have an advantage over the Texans WITH Reed, who knows Flacco's tendencies like the back of his hand...Knows when Smith is going deep... and pretty much what the Baltimore offense does inside and out...
Good luck with that...
Titans Sux 72
Waterboy
Thanks. Did not know the particulars.
Titans Sux 72
Waterboy
Talking head to head games. We said the same thing about Jacoby. Lol
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
The Texans now have only one (aging) weapon in the passing game, Shawn Cody at NT, and no proven outside rusher. Seems to me, taking care of one of those slots should be a bigger priority come the first round of the draft.
No problem with Ed for a year or two, if the price is right, but I am not seeing this as a blockbuster or key to the Super Bowl signing
No problem with Ed for a year or two, if the price is right, but I am not seeing this as a blockbuster or key to the Super Bowl signing
BullNation4Life
All Pro
and we are probably not going to see that blockbuster deal this year. this is more of adding that veteran piece of the puzzle to an up and coming team looking to make it's run at the Super Bowl.
GP
Go Texans!
Exactly.
Nobody on planet earth, maybe not even Jacoby and his mom either, thought in training camp during the summer of 2012 that at the end of the year we'd see Jacoby making a 4th and forever BOMB catch that advanced them past the Broncos, plus a multiple-TD game in the freaking Super Bowl...to win it all.
So, excuse me if I don't go slit my wrists over the idea that Ed Reed will be a dismal failure with the Texans. Is he older? Yes. I see that, and I am not saying it's not an issue. But on the right team, he's enough to make a difference if things go well.
There were times Quin looked lost or just failed to make the right read out there. How many times will that happen to a guy like Ed Reed, especially with Wade Phillips at d-coord and Manning beside him...with KJ and J-Jo at CB...and Cushing and Watt leading the way up front?
I lean toward "liking" the Ed Reed acquisition more than I do disliking it. We were screwed at Safety as of the first day of free agency...with Quin commanding AND receiving 4 times the salary he had with us. What do we do? Draft the position and pray it works? Acquire someone on the cheap and make Manning babysit the cheap guy all year? Yeah, uh no.
You spend the same money you were going to spend on Quin, and risk that you might have acquired an upgrade if the chips fall the right way.
It's football. It's not life or death. This is, as some have said on here, supposed to be fun. Let it happen if it happens. I've seen us crap away two divisional playoff games two years in a row, what else could go wrong that hasn't already gone wrong in some form or another???? Exactly. What will be, will be.
GP
Go Texans!
I see this as a 2-year deal AT THE MOST....but with a possible third year if they can make it to where his third year is basically peanuts. Pay up front in the form of signing bonus, then make it to where he's no major cap hit if he sinks in year 2 or 3 (with the hope that he makes it through year 2, giving us time to draft or acquire the eventual long-term solution).
As a stop-gap, I'll take it and be happy. Major concern is the injury problems, but the guy is tougher than anybody else in football, IMO. Tough SOB.