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Week 3 VS Broncos. Lets Predict :)

Trail.Blazr said:
I don't recall playing against Sage.. ??
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It was against the Giants and he was the backup qb at the time. I think it was Cushings rookie year or the year before. Essentially he told the Giants a good deal of information about our offense and we couldn't get anything done that game. Google lance zierlein and sage rosenfel's revenge. On the crackberry so I cannot paste links.

That could happen with Dreesen. He could tell the Broncos everything about our offense and we struggle because of it.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Oh, am I on the wrong board? I was thinking this was the non-groupthink board. My bad!
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Your a Texan fan. This is our best team ever. We just got through playing what was one of our most dominating games in 10+ years and you predict we get killed 31 to 13 by a team we should be better than. Just seems like something we used to see Richard Justice write. I guess It could happen, not sure how someone could predict it though.
 
TexansBull said:
That could happen with Dreesen. He could tell the Broncos everything about our offense and we struggle because of it.
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I don't see this logic with the 2012 Texans. While he may be able to relay some plays, they still have to stop our offense. I would like to think our audibles have changed since last year as well. The zone blocking scheme negates some of the worry as well. I'm just not that worried about what Dressen could tell them.
 
utahmark said:
Your a Texan fan. This is our best team ever. We just got through playing what was one of our most dominating games in 10+ years and you predict we get killed 31 to 13 by a team we should be better than. Just seems like something we used to see Richard Justice write. I guess It could happen, not sure how someone could predict it though.
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Being a fan has never prevented me from seeing things as they really are.

Kubiak is notorious for having a sorry record on the road against winning teams.

The Texans have never beaten a Peyton Manning led team on the road.

If I'm going to offer a prediction I'm not going to lie for the sake of going with the rest of the group. I prefer to be honest. I'm crazy like that.

Sorry if that disrupts your delicate sensibilities.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Kubiak is notorious for having a sorry record on the road against winning teams.
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I don't think that's the case. At least, he's beaten winning teams on the road and I think there are coaches who have worse records on the road against winning teams than he does. So I think "notorious" is a bit hyperbolic.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't think that's the case. At least, he's beaten winning teams on the road and I think there are coaches who have worse records on the road against winning teams than he does. So I think "notorious" is a bit hyperbolic.
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Perhaps he's just notorious in my eyes. As of the end of last season, Kubiak is 3 and 20 on the road against winning teams.
 
silvrhand said:
Does anyone have stats for peyton manning vs. Wade Phillips defense?
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I only went back to 02 (is anything before that relevant? Prob not)

Atl
2003 25/30 290yds 5 TD 0 Int
SD
2004 27/44 383yds 2 TD 1 Int
2005 26/45 336yds 1 TD 2 Int
DAL
2010 36/48 365yds 2 TD 4 Int

The one vs Atl was a real bad team. Wade took over as HC I believe. They were just terrible. Manning, for the most part, has put up a lot of yards but inefficient as hell.

Mike
 
Texans - 17
Brocos - 14

I think this gonna be a great, close game. Peyton always does well against us.He also has a good offense, and a pretty good D to back him up. Miller is the real deal, plus more.

I just think or D will be out to wreck shop, and show thy are the real deal! :stonecold: :wild:
 
TexansFanatic said:
Perhaps he's just notorious in my eyes. As of the end of last season, Kubiak is 3 and 20 on the road against winning teams.
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Most teams and most coaches have losing records against winning teams on the road. I haven't run a full analysis on it but I'd bet there are some teams that go winless against winning teams on the road. Those are the guys I'd consider as "notorious."

As a case study, I chose to compare Kubiak against Tom Coughlin over that same time period (looking only at the regular season.) Coughlin has had a much better record that Kubiak over that time period and has won 2 SBs so it's not exactly a "fair" comparison.

But Coughlin's road record against winning teams is only 7-13. Granted, better than Kubiak, but still a losing record.

So now the question is whether THIS team can win on the road against winning teams.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
As a case study, I chose to compare Kubiak against Tom Coughlin over that same time period (looking only at the regular season.)
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Why would you count only the regular season?

The playoff games are the ones that really count and Coughlin's Giants are notorious road warriors. Coughlin's Giants exemplify like no other team that being able to win on the road leads to championships.

I started with Coughlin's 2006 season (the season Kubiak started) and didn't have to count beyond the middle of the 2008 season before I wound up with 8 wins and 3 losses against winning opponents on the road. That's when I re-read your post and realized you hadn't counted playoff wins.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Why would you count only the regular season?

The playoff games are the ones that really count and Coughlin's Giants are notorious road warriors. Coughlin's Giants exemplify like no other team that being able to win on the road leads to championships.

I started with Coughlin's 2006 season (the season Kubiak started) and didn't have to count beyond the middle of the 2008 season before I wound up with 8 wins and 3 losses against winning opponents on the road. That's when I re-read your post and realized you hadn't counted playoff wins.
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Playoffs are a different story and a whole different season.

Those Giant teams that have done so well backing into the playoffs and winning road games in the postseason DON'T have a winning record on the road during the regular season against winning teams.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Playoffs are a different story and a whole different season.

Those Giant teams that have done so well backing into the playoffs and winning road games in the postseason DON'T have a winning record on the road during the regular season against winning teams.
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Kubiak has a losing record on the road against winning team during the regular season AND the playoffs and it ain't close.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Being a fan has never prevented me from seeing things as they really are.

Kubiak is notorious for having a sorry record on the road against winning teams.

The Texans have never beaten a Peyton Manning led team on the road.

If I'm going to offer a prediction I'm not going to lie for the sake of going with the rest of the group. I prefer to be honest. I'm crazy like that.

Sorry if that disrupts your delicate sensibilities.
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Seeing things as they "really are" is usually seeing things in your own perspective. Just like I'm not going to argue your prediction (it could happen!), don't for a second think that we who think the Texans will win are being a) dishonest with ourselves, b) suffering from groupthink, or c) crazy.
 
1) Kubiak played in Denver for years so he will know how to handle the elevation effects on the team and how to prepare them
2) Every year is different so I am looking forward to watching the denver defense tonight to see how they handle Atlanta to get a guage on them
3) Peyton is good and I think our defense can handle their offense enough to win the game
4) We are a deep team and that should put us over the top in this game
 
utahmark said:
Your a Texan fan. This is our best team ever. We just got through playing what was one of our most dominating games in 10+ years and you predict we get killed 31 to 13 by a team we should be better than. Just seems like something we used to see Richard Justice write. I guess It could happen, not sure how someone could predict it though.
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This is how a rational person could predict it...

First, ask yourself sanely, just who have we beat?
Answer: We beat two, how to say this nicely... ...I can't... we beat two chump azz teams by twenty apiece. Think back to after the Miami twenty-point beatdown; there was lots of anquish in H-Town because some folks thought the point diff should have been 30, 35, or 40... and maybe it should have seeing as how we were sleep-walking for most of the first half.

Now, ask yourself, who has Denver played?
The Steelers.
That's right, Denver/Peyton hung a 30-burger on the famed Steelers D last week. Those same Steelers who should have been still really pissed at the Broncos for knocking them out of the playoffs last year!

And then there's that damned no-huddle offense. Have WE faced a no-huddle offense?? Anyone know if Wade has a counter for the no-huddle?? I don't. I know this: Wade's pass rush depends on the front seven rotation keeping guys fresh. Can't rotate if the no-huddle doesn't give you time to sub guys in. Scares me crapless.

Denver's win was a quality win against a quality team. Our two were pretty good wins but against chump teams. And we're in THEIR house.

I hope Kubiak pulls out the "Aww shucks, kids... I sure would be proud if'n you boys could get me a win here in my old stadium" schick.
I know I would.

Too close to call for me folks.
 
ObsiWan said:
This is how a rational person could predict it...

First, ask yourself sanely, just who have we beat?
Answer: We beat two, how to say this nicely... ...I can't... we beat two chump azz teams by twenty apiece. Think back to after the Miami twenty-point beatdown; there was lots of anquish in H-Town because some folks thought the point diff should have been 30, 35, or 40... and maybe it should have seeing as how we were sleep-walking for most of the first half.

Now, ask yourself, who has Denver played?
The Steelers.
That's right, Denver/Peyton hung a 30-burger on the famed Steelers D last week. Those same Steelers who should have been still really pissed at the Broncos for knocking them out of the playoffs last year!

And then there's that damned no-huddle offense. Have WE faced a no-huddle offense?? Anyone know if Wade has a counter for the no-huddle?? I don't. I know this: Wade's pass rush depends on the front seven rotation keeping guys fresh. Can't rotate if the no-huddle doesn't give you time to sub guys in. Scares me crapless.

Denver's win was a quality win against a quality team. Our two were pretty good wins but against chump teams. And we're in THEIR house.

I hope Kubiak pulls out the "Aww shucks, kids... I sure would be proud if'n you boys could get me a win here in my old stadium" schick.
I know I would.

Too close to call for me folks.
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Jacksonville almost won on the road and Miami totally dominated the Raiders in their only other games.
 
We got it covered. When Schaub hands one ball to Foster, another to Tate, and throws a 3rd one to AJ, they're not gonna know what to do. :handshake:

Only thing is Myers has to learn that 3 ball hike trick.
 
BeerTastesLikeVictory said:
I don't see this logic with the 2012 Texans. While he may be able to relay some plays, they still have to stop our offense. I would like to think our audibles have changed since last year as well. The zone blocking scheme negates some of the worry as well. I'm just not that worried about what Dressen could tell them.
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http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010/10/sage-rosenfels-revenge/

Read the article. Rosenfels was two years removed and still hurt us. I am not saying its going to happen, but it is a risk since Dreesen was a big part of the offense the past few years. But with that's said, wouldn't Leach and Jacoby Jones have the same impact last year and now this year? So I do get what you are saying. My point is that its a risk. Especially with John Fox as good as he is defensively. Just sayin.
 
TexansBull said:
http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010/10/sage-rosenfels-revenge/

Read the article. Rosenfels was two years removed and still hurt us. I am not saying its going to happen, but it is a risk since Dreesen was a big part of the offense the past few years. But with that's said, wouldn't Leach and Jacoby Jones have the same impact last year and now this year? So I do get what you are saying. My point is that its a risk. Especially with John Fox as good as he is defensively. Just sayin.
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seeing last game our offensive plays seem to change every month or so

the jags game we never booted once and ive never seen so many foward pitches and screens its like schaub was throwing the ball like ive never seen him do it that way like he was throwing after like 3 steps and was never planted
 
ObsiWan said:
This is how a rational person could predict it...

First, ask yourself sanely, just who have we beat?
Answer: We beat two, how to say this nicely... ...I can't... we beat two chump azz teams by twenty apiece. Think back to after the Miami twenty-point beatdown; there was lots of anquish in H-Town because some folks thought the point diff should have been 30, 35, or 40... and maybe it should have seeing as how we were sleep-walking for most of the first half.

Now, ask yourself, who has Denver played?
The Steelers.
That's right, Denver/Peyton hung a 30-burger on the famed Steelers D last week. Those same Steelers who should have been still really pissed at the Broncos for knocking them out of the playoffs last year!
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It's a new season, and the 'famed' Steelers defense is a bunch of past memories. It amazes me how much stock people put into past history both in college and pro football. Take Notre Dame for example, they are now in the top 15 in the poll purely because of reputation from players that have long since left, I view the Steelers as the same. The "steel curtain" all retired by the early 80s.

And then there's that damned no-huddle offense. Have WE faced a no-huddle offense?? Anyone know if Wade has a counter for the no-huddle?? I don't. I know this: Wade's pass rush depends on the front seven rotation keeping guys fresh. Can't rotate if the no-huddle doesn't give you time to sub guys in. Scares me crapless.

Denver's win was a quality win against a quality team. Our two were pretty good wins but against chump teams. And we're in THEIR house.

I hope Kubiak pulls out the "Aww shucks, kids... I sure would be proud if'n you boys could get me a win here in my old stadium" schick.
I know I would.

Too close to call for me folks.
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A few hours later MannINT doesn't look so hot. He's a great player but he is beatable. I still think it will be a challenging game this Sunday since it's a road game in a tough environment, but I think Denver is overhyped until they prove it over the long haul.
 
Dang, don't think the Falcons did us any favours by beating the Broncos.

Although on the other hand any loss by an AFC contender is a good loss for us.
 
Why are some of yall taking this prediction **** so seriously? You guys know damn well any team can beat any other team if the circumstances are right. There is no certainty in the NFL.

I predict the Texans win billions and billions to nuttin' when the spirit of Carl Sagen decends upon Denver and the Broncos are lifted away and deposited in the center of the Sun.
 
I don't think Denver's D can stop the Texan ground game. Too many little guys, just like the old Colts. I think Peyton will dink and dunk his way into safety, staying clean, keeping the turnovers down but it won't be enough to overcome the defense.

Texans 24
Col...Broncos 16
 
After the outcome last night, as of today, the Texans and the 49ers are the best teams from their respective conferences.

The other AFC teams that are normally in the top tier have had focus problems.

The Texans could have slept on their two opponents, but we didn't. Great teams take care of business no matter how "routine" or boring that business might be.

We'll win this next game, then the really tricky part of the schedule begins. If we stay injury-free, built momentum each week, this team can go gonzo.
 
False Start said:
After last night's game I'm gonna change my mind.

Texans - 35
Broncos - 17
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I'm not going to read too much into last nights game. He started horribly, but turned it around. He just ran out of time. Although, I really like what the Falcons defense did to get him off his mark.

I do think we'll be able to move the ball on their D. As usual, it'll come down to stopping Payton
 
Manning has not faced this defense before. He saw it from the sideline in Indy....but never was on the field.
Manning has only faced the old 4-3 defense under Bush.
I think our defense is going to have him running around and not able to set and throw.
Should be fun.....Texans 28 Broncos 14
 
utahmark said:
and the Steelers could'nt even beat Tebow in the playoff's. It does not matter, we will see sunday.
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Like I said in closing. Too close for me to call.

I believe our D is every bit as good as Atlanta's is - if not better - so if they gave Peyton fits, we should too.

Question is which Texans offense will show up; the one that started like molasses in week one or the one that dominated and stayed on the field for nearly 3/4th of the game in week two??
 
ObsiWan said:
Like I said in closing. Too close for me to call.

I believe our D is every bit as good as Atlanta's is - if not better - so if they gave Peyton fits, we should too.

Question is which Texans offense will show up; the one that started like molasses in week one or the one that dominated and stayed on the field for nearly 3/4th of the game in week two??
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Miami has a damn good run D. I believe they kept the vanilla offense the first two games because of the quality of opponents. They really didn't need to air it out much. I think this week we'll see if how powerful our offense can be.
 
Thorn said:
Why are some of yall taking this prediction **** so seriously? You guys know damn well any team can beat any other team if the circumstances are right. There is no certainty in the NFL.

I predict the Texans win billions and billions to nuttin' when the spirit of Carl Sagen decends upon Denver and the Broncos are lifted away and deposited in the center of the Sun.
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Maybe it's just me, but I kinda wished the Broncos had won a squeaker last night. I hate facing good teams coming off tough losses, (historically) they always seem to rebound well against the Texans.

I think this team CAN win, but I predict a close one going to the home team.

Texans - 20

Broncos - 27
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Dang, don't think the Falcons did us any favours by beating the Broncos.
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disaacks3 said:
Maybe it's just me, but I kinda wished the Broncos had won a squeaker last night. I hate facing good teams coming off tough losses, (historically) they always seem to rebound well against the Texans.
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Totally agree. The Broncos will be desperate to avoid a 1-2 start. The Texans will be less desperate to avoid a 2-1 start.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Totally agree. The Broncos will be desperate to avoid a 1-2 start. The Texans will be less desperate to avoid a 2-1 start.
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yeah, but this is the time for a statement game. Outside of the playoffs, this is the statement game for us to date. We either swell in the eyes of NFL Nation or we continue to be marginalized like Ron Paul as 'the team from the weak division' early in this season.
 
Vinny said:
yeah, but this is the time for a statement game. Outside of the playoffs, this is the statement game for us to date. We either swell in the eyes of NFL Nation or we continue to be marginalized like Ron Paul as 'the team from the weak division' early in this season.
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Agree with that as well. As I said in my first post in the thread: if the Texans win this game I'll truly believe they've got what it takes to go the distance.

Winning in Denver is never easy. Winning in Denver against Peyton Manning? That would be special.
 
Im sorry I would never wish ill will on another teams players but....Peyton must go down. Repeatedly and hard.
 
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