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srrono

srrono

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I was looking at roster and man this year Texans are going to be cutting some good players. This is a sign of a good team when your scraps are good players.


Caldwell, Antoine G
Carmichael, Roc DB
Demps, Quintin DB
Harris, Brandon DB
Jackson, Kareem DB
Joseph, Johnathan DB
Keo, Shiloh DB
Manning, Danieal DB
McCain, Brice DB
McManis, Sherrick DB
Nolan, Troy DB
Quin, Glover DB
Williams, Torri DB
Barwin, Connor DE
Cody, Shaun NT
Jamison, Tim DE
Nading, Jesse DE
Smith, Antonio DE
Watt, J.J. DE
Harris, Ra'Shon NT
Mitchell, Earl NT
Myers, Chris C
Smith, Shelley G
Alexander, Mister LB
Braman, Bryan LB
Cushing, Brian LB
Reed, Brooks LB
Sharpton, Darryl LB
Smith, Derrell LB
Weeks, Jon LS
Austin, Thomas OG
Brown, Duane OT
Butler, Rashad OT
Gardner, Andrew OT
Newton, Derek OT
Hartmann, Brett P
Jones, Donnie P
Schaub, Matt QB
Yates, T.J. QB
Foster, Arian RB
Tate, Ben RB
Williams, Javarris RB
Smith, Wade G
Casey, James TE
Daniels, Owen TE
Graham, Garrett TE
Holliday, Trindon WR
Iglesias, Juaquin WR
Jean, Lestar WR
Johnson, Andre WR
Jones, Jacoby WR
Maehl, Jeff WR
Walter, Kevin WR

FA SIGNINGS
Donnie Jones P
Bradie James LB
Tim Dobbins LB

DRAFT
Round 1, Pick 26 (26) Whitney Mercilus DE 6'3" 261 Illinois
Round 3, Pick 5 (68) DeVier Posey WR 6'1" 211 Ohio St.
Round 3, Pick 13 (76) Brandon Brooks G 6'5" 343 Miami (OH)
Round 4, Pick 4 (99) Ben Jones C 6'2" 303 Georgia
Round 4, Pick 26 (121) Keshawn Martin WR 5'11" 192 Michigan St.
Round 4, Pick 31 (126) Jared Crick DT 6'4" 279 Nebraska
Round 5, Pick 26 (161) Randy Bullock K 5'9" 205 Texas A&M
Round 6, Pick 25 (195) Nick Mondek OT 6'6" 304 Purdue

UDFA'S
Eddie Pleasant, S, Oregon
Delano Johnson, DE/OLB, Bowie State
David Hunter, DT, Houston
Tracy Robertson, DT, Baylor
Greg Williams, LB, Pitt
Rennie Moore, DT Clemson
Hebron “Loni” Fangupo, NT, BYU
Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
Logan Brock, TE, TCU
Philip Supernaw, TE, Ouachita Baptist
Jason Ford, FB, Illinois
Jonathan Grimes, RB, William & Mary
Cody White, OT, Illinois State
Davin Meggett, RB, Maryland
DJ Bryant, DE, James Madison
Desmond Marrow, S, Toledo
Jerrell Jackson, S, Missouri
Shawn Loiseau, LB, Merrimack
Mario Louis, WR, Grambling St
Nate Menkin, OT, Mary Hardin-Baylor
Case Keenum, QB, Houston
Logan Brock, TE, TCU
 
srrono said:
I was looking at roster and man this year Texans are going to be cutting some good players. This is a sign of a good team when your scraps are good players.
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I'll take a stab at it. Everyone needs to know that I am not confident in my evaluation skills regarding OL. Never have been, never will. But I think I nailed the starters and it's the depth on OL that I am unsure about--How many we'll take each Sunday and who those will be.

EDIT: I am unsure about the Dobbins-Sharpton-Alexander trio there in the LB lineup below. Too close to call right now.


QB1: Yates
QB2: Unnamed vet, yet to be determined
QB3: Keenum (running the scout team on our practice squad like TJ did)

RT: Butler

RG: Caldwell

C: Myers

LG: W. Smith

LT: D. Brown

DEPTH ON OL:

OL: Ben Jones (rookie)
OL: Brandon Brooks (rookie)
OL: D. Newton
OL: Shelley Smith

RB1: Foster
RB2: Tate
RB3: To be determined (Megget early on, but not sure if he sticks)

FB: Jason Ford (luckiest NFL player on the planet)

WR1: Andre Johnson
WR2: Kevin Walter
WR3: Lestar Jean
WR4: DeVier Posey (rookie) will challenge for WR3 duties, IMO
WR5: Martin (rookie) will return punts, and maybe kickoffs too

TE1: Daniels
TE2: Graham
TE3: Casey

K: Bullock

P: D. Jones

LS: Weeks

FYI: Schaub will not cost a roster spot because he'll be PUP'd to start season, IMO.

Total for offense and special teams: 27 players

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RDE: Watt
Nose: Cody
LDE: Smith


DEPTH ON DL: Mitchell, Bulman, Jamison, Crick

OLB: Mercilus
MLB: Cushing
ILB: Dobbins/Sharpton winner out of camp and preseason
OLB: Barwin

DEPTH AT LB: B. Reed, B. James, M. Alexander, B. Braman

CB1: Joseph
CB2: KJ (uggh...)

Depth at CB: Carmichael, McCain, Harris, McManis

S: Manning
S: Quin

Depth at S: Demps, Nolan, Keo (uggh...)

Total for defense: 26 players

Total: 53 (you can have a 53rd player if that player is a 3rd "emergency" QB)

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The following is the scrap heap of leftover players. These players are battling for a spot with their counterparts who are listed above. I think they are on the outside looking in, in respect to how we drafted this year. I cannot foresee Kubiak chancing almost every player from the draft to the risk of waiver wire claims. Mondek is the only guy I think gets cut and sent to the PS out of all of our 2012 draft picks. Seriously.

FYI #1: I think last year Kubiak went with 5 WR. It can be argued that he might send Martin to the PS and promote Maehl to the game day roster...but I think Martin was drafted to take punt return duties that JJ handled (or mishandled).

Guys who I think will make practice squad are in RED, because none of those guys will get claimed and they will add great carry-over depth into 2013:

Nading, Jesse DE (gets cut, just won't make this stacked roster we have)
Harris, Ra'Shon NT
Smith, Derrell LB
Austin, Thomas OG
Gardner, Andrew OT
Hartmann, Brett P (gets cut only if Donnie Jones impresses in preseason)
Turk, Matt P (odd man out in any situation)
Williams, Javarris RB
Holliday, Trindon WR (end of the line for tricycle)
Iglesias, Juaquin WR
Maehl, Jeff WR (not sure if he is PS eligible still)
Round 6, Pick 25 (195) Nick Mondek OT 6'6" 304 Purdue

UDFA'S
Eddie Pleasant, S, Oregon
Delano Johnson, DE/OLB, Bowie State
David Hunter, DT, Houston
Tracy Robertson, DT, Baylor
Greg Williams, LB, Pitt
Rennie Moore, DT Clemson
Hebron “Loni” Fangupo, NT, BYU
Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
Logan Brock, TE, TCU
Philip Supernaw, TE, Ouachita Baptist
Jonathan Grimes, RB, William & Mary
Cody White, OT, Illinois State
Davin Meggett, RB, Maryland
DJ Bryant, DE, James Madison
Desmond Marrow, S, Toledo
Jerrell Jackson, S, Missouri
Shawn Loiseau, LB, Merrimack
Mario Louis, WR, Grambling St
Nate Menkin, OT, Mary Hardin-Baylor
Logan Brock, TE, TCU
 
GP, Schaub says he'll be 100% at the start of camp, yet you think he'll be PUP'd? Even if he suffers a setback, you want to automatically shelf him for the first 6 weeks of the regualar season? That's like 4 months after the time he says he'll be healthy...
 
Allstar said:
GP, Schaub says he'll be 100% at the start of camp, yet you think he'll be PUP'd? Even if he suffers a setback, you want to automatically shelf him for the first 6 weeks of the regualar season? That's like 4 months after the time he says he'll be healthy...
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Based on NFL players who have this type of injury, IIRC, it's pretty much a full 12 months from the time of injury before they test it out in a real game situation.

Being in a team facility where the player is protected and not subjected to live bullets is different than having to react "in real time" which puts stresses on the foot unlike what he'd go through in a protected environment. In a real game, he cannot slow down or ask for mercy from a LB trying to plant him into the ground...so there's a huge difference in how the foot is asked to perform.

I expect Schaub to see his first reg season action after he comes off the PUP. They will want to see if he can handle the pressures placed upon his foot and to see if the rust is knocked off enough before thinking about giving him a new contract in 2013. Then again, it's plausible to think that we could be rocking and rolling so well...Schaub never hits the field at all. But if I know Kubiak, I think he'll try to fit Schaub into the lineup to give the guy a fair shake at a new deal for 2013. Which is reasonable to me.

The intricacies involved in his recovery and return to even somewhat usefulness is well-documented here. I think it's unfortunate (not that you're doing this, I'm just saying'...) that a lot of people hear someone like me say he'll be PUP'd and they think I just hate the guy. Contrary, I think he's better than Yates at this point so it means we have a better shot with Schaub than without him. But which Schaub will we get, and will he jump into the fray as early as preseason when they'll need to see if he can go week 1 in reg season??? To me, they'd be risking his whole future if they rushed him back as early as the preseason games in order to test it out and see.

Yes, Schaub is a tough S.O.B. and I know he is working hard and has made progress. But making progress with this type of injury is not the same as others. Too many details to list, but it's true. Manning's neck fusion is an easier surgery to come back from than Schaub's particular foot injury. The two are miles apart on the "comeback" scale.

I think Schaub will push to come back early, and I hope the Texans play it smart and hold him off. I don't want us to be known for sacrificing players' longevity just for short-term payoff for the team and contract year performance desires by guys like Schaub. It's a bad idea to push too hard, too soon.
 
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Schaub misses time, but all indications are that he will be ready to go to start camp. If there is any truth to that, I just can't see the team shelving him for 6 weeks when the games matter.
 
Allstar said:
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Schaub misses time, but all indications are that he will be ready to go to start camp. If there is any truth to that, I just can't see the team shelving him for 6 weeks.
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Being in camp is that safe, protected environment I am speaking of.

Of course it's perfectly reasonable to think he'll be doing drills but not actually competing in a full-on contact session.

He's going to have no pass rush put on him in camp, or at the best he'll have a simulated pass rush where coaches swat at him with foam noodles. It will never be anything near "live bullets" though, they won't risk a freak setback at this point. The goal will be to have him run on it, plant on it, throw off it, etc.

If they intend him to start week 1 reg season...then that means, IMO, they have to push him to see full-on action in the preseason AND with the starters which means week 3 of preseason. That's too soon to throw him to the wolves, IMO. They'd be begging for a setback if they did that.

Who knows, maybe he's the miracle guy and makes it back faster than others have. I just don't think it's the smart play, to rush him back for the temporary payoff at the risk of losing him forever. Matt, IMO, is balls to the wall and doesn't care. He's that competitive and I bet he wants to be back ASAP. But is it really the fair thing all the way around? That's where I question it all.

It's a helluva' thing to come back from and just walk normally with no limp and no pain, let alone pounding on it for 4 full quarters 16+ times a year. I can't see how he makes it reg season week 1, honestly. But hey, whatever will be will be.
 
Lucky said:
Nice effort. I might quibble on some of the backend of the roster, but I think you've got the idea.
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Thanks. I just went with what I think Kubiak normally does, his mindset about things, and the picks we made as it relates to the needs we have due to our offseason of woe.

This might be the first time that practically every draft pick gets carried over to the final roster...teams will be salivating to poach guys like Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks and Jared Crick off our team if we cut them. Mondek is the only guy who gets cut, and even then I think he goes to the PS very easily.

MY REASONS WITH OFFENSE:
QB is iffy. Schaub might be back week 1 reg season, but I doubt it. Yates starts, a vet backs him, and Keenum The Killer running TJ's old job as scout team QB. Kubiak is methodical, consistent, predictable here.

No real surprises at C nor at TE and WR. I think those positions are locked in fairly well. Maehl being the lone exception to the rule here.

Kubiak generally goes with three RBs, so I think Foster and Tate are 1 and 2 with a 3rd guy to be determined later.

I am unsure about starters at LG, RG, and RT. I think Kubiak goes with the guys I listed out of sheer need for normalcy and loyalty. It's what he does.


MY REASONS WITH SPECIAL TEAMS:
Punter is a pickle for us. Hartmann, man...I don't know. The freak accident in a game, the multi-game suspension, etc...if Donnie Jones excels early and often, Kubiak won't cut Donnie Jones. This is a real pickle, though. Does Hartmann count against our final 52 even if he's not able to play the first 3 or 4 games due to suspension???

Kicker is an easy call.

Long snapper is an easy call.


MY REASONS ON DEFENSE:
I am unsure at NT and depth on the DL.

LB seems easy to predict, with the exception of some fringe depth guys. This could be debated till the cows come home. LOL.

I think the secondary is pretty much locked in, in terms of who played last year and no real challengers brought in during draft or UDFA for that matter.
 
GP,

Where do you get the 12 months figure from or that Schaub will likely miss?

Back when he got injured, I did some research on similar injuries.

Now I did not research extremely in depth, but I did find similar injuries to some running backs, a safety, and Dwight Freeney.

Out of those injuries, here were the results:

Mike Brown - injuried in middle of season, back preseason & first game (though got knee injury in first game)

Ronnie Brown - injured in middle of season, back preason (1st game) & played full season

Dwight Freeny - injuried in middle of season, back preseason (3rd game) & first game, played full season (other than game 16 after Indie had things wrapped up)

Kevin Jones - injured towards end of season, back on 3rd game of next season, though did not actually start until week 7 after bye

Larry Johnson - injuried in middle of season, back preseason (1st game) and played most of season (missing games due to benching/suspension in middle of season)


Now, the guys above may be "tougher" than Schaub, but I also would expect they put much more pressure on their feet (especially the running backs). If they were able to come back when they did, where do you get the idea Schaub will take so long? Would like to know what players/past injuries you are making the claim on...
 
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Here is my shot at it, like GP I put my practice squad players in red.

I also put it in a nice depth chart format in Google Docs! Enjoy!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Auzfm9bLCwzBdEg0SGJvMElQQ3hMN05kRmZkMnNhYVE
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Looks pretty good to me. You have Schaub as QB1, Yates QB2, and Keenum QB3...but what if Schaub doesn't start week 1? Does that mean he's QB3 and that moves the other two guys up to QB1 and QB2?

Also, you've got Lestar Jena making the PS. I think, just a bit of a bold prediction of mine, that he'll squeak into the game day roster.

Lastly, you've got Brandon Brooks winning a starting job at Guard. I like the bold prediction, and it's plausible if he has a great camp and preseason.
 
MidtownMikey said:
GP,

Where do you get the 12 months figure from or that Schaub will likely miss?

Back when he got injured, I did some research on similar injuries.

Now I did not research extremely in depth, but I did find similar injuries to some running backs, a safety, and Dwight Freeney.

Out of those injuries, here were the results:

Mike Brown - injuried in middle of season, back preseason & first game (though got knee injury in first game)

Ronnie Brown - injured in middle of season, back preason (1st game) & played full season

Dwight Freeny - injuried in middle of season, back preseason (3rd game) & first game, played full season (other than game 16 after Indie had things wrapped up)

Kevin Jones - injured towards end of season, back on 3rd game of next season, though did not actually start until week 7 after bye

Larry Johnson - injuried in middle of season, back preseason (1st game) and played most of season (missing games due to benching/suspension in middle of season)


Now, the guys above may be "tougher" than Schaub, but I also would expect they put much more pressure on their feet (especially the running backs). If they were able to come back when they did, where do you get the idea Schaub will take so long? Would like to know what players/past injuries you are making the claim on...
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A combo of what CnD has said and the fact that we're talking about a QB's plant foot...which requires him to balance, push, and twist all at the same time. Oh, and he's got guys trying to kill him and falling on him all the time.

CnD is very up front about things like this, in terms of how a timetable is different based on lots of factors.

I only worry that he'll come back too soon and it'll be the wrong move. I guess the Texans and Schaub will sort that stuff out, but it's a helluva' injury to work back from and be competent enough to be a starting QB in today's NFL.

Just my two cents. We shall see soon enough though!
 
I'm definitely worried about the chance of reinjury, but I do not think his foot will get much stronger from being held out past the preseason. Another 330+ lber falling on him can fracture his foot whether he plays game 1, or game 7 or later. My expectation (and I'd practically be willing to bet on it) is that he gets held out of first two preseason games, gets token time in the 3rd (1 drive) and then as expected of all starters, is held out of the 4th preseason game.

I think if there was legitimate concerns about Schaub's health, we would have already seen a vet QB signed, or even them drafting a QB in the first 4 rounds. I'm expecting from what we've seen, the FO believes fully that he will be ready for the season (or at least game 3, when the more difficult opponents begin).

I think the drafting of the 3 OL show more to the FO's concern about potential reinjury/commitment to the running game. I'd also like to see how potential injury/long term effects may work in the Texans favor to resigning him on a discount after this season, even if he performs well. I guess as a backup, we can always slap the franchise tag on him too to get one more year out of him.

When it comes to the final 53, I like your list GP, though I would not be surprised if Keo is beaten out by Marrow or another UDFA or if the Texans even go with one less safety and instead fill the spot with Loiseau for coverage team usage (practically the only place Keo was worth anything anyways). I also expect Mister is gone, as I will assume both Dobbins and James are kept (with Sharpton starting) along with Braman unless there is an injury or they completely dog it in preseason.
 
It's really too early for me to call outside of the "known" guys, but I think we'll have a few guys that we bring in when cuts around the league start to happen. Some guys not even on that list may end up in a Texan uniform.

But I'll give it the Ol' college try:

QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum
HB: Foster, Tate, Grimes
FB: (Free agent FB not currently on the roster -- Owen Schmitt, Leron McClain maybe)
WR: Dre, Kevin, Posey, Martin, D. Jones, Jean, Trindon
TE: OD, Casey, Grahm
OL: Duane, Smith, Meyers, Brooks, Butler, Pondek, Newton, B. Jones, Caldwell

DL: Smith, Cody, Watt, Crick, Mitchell, Jamison, Fangupo
LB: Reed, Cushing, Alexander, Barwin, Merci, Braman, Nading, James, Dobbins
S: Quinn, Manning, Nolan, Marrow, Demps
CB: Kareem, Joseph, McCain, Harris, Carmichael


K: Bullock
P: Donnie Jones or Hartmann, Probably Jones
 
While I wish they wouldn't spend a roster spot on a long snapper and just let Casey do it or another position player, I expect they are keeping Weeks unless he gets injuried considering they gave him a new contract.

You also left out Sharpton and put Mr. Alexander, which I don't see unless Sharpton's recovery is slower than expected (in which case I could see Sharpton start the season on the PUP, honestly I feel that is more likely than Schaub missing as a quad tear seems more severe, plus there have been no official updates on his status from what I've heard).

I also don't see Holiday making the roster, though I won't offer a replacement for him since by my count it looks like you didn't include the FB in your 53. I am expecting Ford makes it as the FB unless they sign a vet like you suggested.


Rey said:
It's really too early for me to call outside of the "known" guys, but I think we'll have a few guys that we bring in when cuts around the league start to happen. Some guys not even on that list may end up in a Texan uniform.

But I'll give it the Ol' college try:

QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum
HB: Foster, Tate, Grimes
FB: (Free agent FB not currently on the roster -- Owen Schmitt, Leron McClain maybe)
WR: Dre, Kevin, Posey, Martin, D. Jones, Jean, Trindon
TE: OD, Casey, Grahm
OL: Duane, Smith, Meyers, Brooks, Butler, Pondek, Newton, B. Jones, Caldwell

DL: Smith, Cody, Watt, Crick, Mitchell, Jamison, Fangupo
LB: Reed, Cushing, Alexander, Barwin, Merci, Braman, Nading, James, Dobbins
S: Quinn, Manning, Nolan, Marrow, Demps
CB: Kareem, Joseph, McCain, Harris, Carmichael


K: Bullock
P: Donnie Jones or Hartmann, Probably Jones
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Then again, I did read that Ben Jones was the long snapper too at Georgia, so maybe they do let Weeks go to free up a spot. I wouldn't mind that...
 
MidtownMikey said:
GP,

Where do you get the 12 months figure from or that Schaub will likely miss?

Back when he got injured, I did some research on similar injuries.

Now I did not research extremely in depth, but I did find similar injuries to some running backs, a safety, and Dwight Freeney.

Out of those injuries, here were the results:

Mike Brown - injuried in middle of season, back preseason & first game (though got knee injury in first game)

Ronnie Brown - injured in middle of season, back preason (1st game) & played full season

Dwight Freeny - injuried in middle of season, back preseason (3rd game) & first game, played full season (other than game 16 after Indie had things wrapped up)

Kevin Jones - injured towards end of season, back on 3rd game of next season, though did not actually start until week 7 after bye

Larry Johnson - injuried in middle of season, back preseason (1st game) and played most of season (missing games due to benching/suspension in middle of season)


Now, the guys above may be "tougher" than Schaub, but I also would expect they put much more pressure on their feet (especially the running backs). If they were able to come back when they did, where do you get the idea Schaub will take so long? Would like to know what players/past injuries you are making the claim on...
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Couldn't agree more with you here... I have NO idea why people are acting with such certainty that Schaub will need more time. I have had a lisfranc fracture and I was fine after 6 weeks. The doctor told me that the main issue with the injury is ongoing pain in a moderate % of patients. This is not an injury that will debilitate you, it's one that can be a huge nuisance long term. My left foot is flat as a pancake now because of the shift in my tendons, but I have no pain at all. Schaub will be fine... Though he is getting older, so we better be prepared to replace him in a few years regardless.
 
GP said:
Looks pretty good to me. You have Schaub as QB1, Yates QB2, and Keenum QB3...but what if Schaub doesn't start week 1? Does that mean he's QB3 and that moves the other two guys up to QB1 and QB2?

Also, you've got Lestar Jena making the PS. I think, just a bit of a bold prediction of mine, that he'll squeak into the game day roster.

Lastly, you've got Brandon Brooks winning a starting job at Guard. I like the bold prediction, and it's plausible if he has a great camp and preseason.
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If Schaub isn't ready in time for week 1 I think they would sign a veteran QB to to be the backup, but I am just basing this off the roster we have right now.

I think it will be between Lestar Jean and Dwight Jones for the 5th wide receiver spot. If Jones can keep his attitude and work ethic in check though he has all the physical skills to be a solid back-up option.

I think Brandon Brooks can win the job in training camp, but I think he would also rotate with Caldwell if Kubiak doesn't feel strongly enough about him. He will be a solid contributor and might be the sole holder of that spot by the end of the season.
 
texasam82 said:
Couldn't agree more with you here... I have NO idea why people are acting with such certainty that Schaub will need more time. I have had a lisfranc fracture and I was fine after 6 weeks. The doctor told me that the main issue with the injury is ongoing pain in a moderate % of patients. This is not an injury that will debilitate you, it's one that can be a huge nuisance long term. My left foot is flat as a pancake now because of the shift in my tendons, but I have no pain at all. Schaub will be fine... Though he is getting older, so we better be prepared to replace him in a few years regardless.
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It all depends on the particular severity of the injury. I've also had a LisFranc fracture/dislocation. Had it back in July 2009. I've got 2 plates and 12 screws still in the foot, and it took a full 2 years for me to quit walking with a limp. Every lisfranc injury is different. Now, I'm not saying that Schaub's lisfranc injury was as severe as mine, but I have a very good idea the length of time it takes to recover from one of those things.

And again, to reinterate a point that I've been trying to get across, it seems like forever, is that I'm not worried about "lack of mobility". I'm concerned, and will continue to be concerned, with Schaub's ability to accurately throw the ball. And in order to do that, he will have to "retrain" his "new" or "repaired" plant foot.

Yes, I know that he and Kubiak and everyone else is saying that he will be ready to go when the season starts. But if you've been keeping anywhere up to speed with the way this organization handles injuries..... Let's just say I'm taking their statements with a grain of salt.

I will say something else. They didn't do as I predicted and draft a QB, which I thought they would do if they had any concerns about it. But if Schaub isn't ready to go, that is one thing I will harp on.
 
QB SCHAUB - YATES - FA VET
RB FOSTER - TATE - Meggett
FB FORD
WR A.JOHNSON WALTER POSEY D.JONES MARTIN JEAN
TE DANIELS GRAHAM CASEY&BU FB
OL
C MYERS - JONES
T BROWN - BUTLER
G W.SMITH - S.Smith
T NEWTON -
G BROOKS - Caldwell
LS WEEKS
DL WATT - CRICK
NT CODY - Fangupo - MITCHELL
DE A.SMITH - Jamison
LB
LB REED - Mercilus
LB CUSHING - Dobbins
LB BARWIN - B.James - Braman
LB Sharpton - Alexander
DB
CB Jackson - Carmichael
CB Joseph - McCain
S Manning - Nolan -
S Quin - DempS
K BULLUCK
P Jones
PRACTICE SQUAD
WR JEAN
QB KEENUM
S Pleasant
RB Grimes
LB Loiseau
 
Quarterbacks
Matt Schaub
TJ Yates
Case Keenum

Running Backs
Arian Foster
Ben Tate
Davin Meggett

Fullback
Jason Ford

Wide Receivers
Andre Johnson
Kevin Walter
DeVier Posey
Keshawn Martin
Dwight Jones

Tight Ends
Owen Daniels
James Casey
Garrett Graham

Offensive Line
Duane Brown
Wade Smith
Chris Myers
Brandon Brooks
Rashad Butler
Derek Newton
Shelley Smith
Ben Jones
Antoine Caldwell

Linebackers
Brian Cushing
Darryl Sharpton
Bradie James
Tim Dobbins
Connor Barwin
Brooks Reed
Whitney Mercilus
Bryan Braman
Shawn Loiseau

Defensive Line
JJ Watt
Antonio Smith
Tim Jamison
Jared Crick
Shaun Cody
Earl Mitchell
Hebron Fangupo

Defensive Backs
Glover Quin
Danieal Manning
Troy Nolan
Quintin Demps
Jonathan Joseph
Kareem Jackson
Brice McCain
Brandon Harris
Sherrick McManis
Roc Carmichael

Special Team
Randy Bullock
Donnie Jones, Brett Hartmann if he's ready after his suspensions
Jon Weeks
 
Marcus said:
It all depends on the particular severity of the injury. I've also had a LisFranc fracture/dislocation. Had it back in July 2009. I've got 2 plates and 12 screws still in the foot, and it took a full 2 years for me to quit walking with a limp. Every lisfranc injury is different. Now, I'm not saying that Schaub's lisfranc injury was as severe as mine, but I have a very good idea the length of time it takes to recover from one of those things.

And again, to reinterate a point that I've been trying to get across, it seems like forever, is that I'm not worried about "lack of mobility". I'm concerned, and will continue to be concerned, with Schaub's ability to accurately throw the ball. And in order to do that, he will have to "retrain" his "new" or "repaired" plant foot.

Yes, I know that he and Kubiak and everyone else is saying that he will be ready to go when the season starts. But if you've been keeping anywhere up to speed with the way this organization handles injuries..... Let's just say I'm taking their statements with a grain of salt.

I will say something else. They didn't do as I predicted and draft a QB, which I thought they would do if they had any concerns about it. But if Schaub isn't ready to go, that is one thing I will harp on.
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Another reason why I feel very confident that he is fine. I really don't think we have much to worry about with Matt.

On a side note you must have really done a number on that foot. Are you doing ok now? I tore mine up pretty good; luckily it feels ok and just looks ugly.
 
I love doing this:

QB: Schaub - Yates - Keenum (If Schaub is on the PUP, then we'll have a FA Vet as the #2 behind yates)
RB: Foster - Tate - Grimes
FB: Casey - Ford
WR: Andre - Posey - Martin - KW - Jean - DJones
TE: OD - Graham - Brock
OT: Brown - Butler - Newton
OG: WSmith - Brooks - Caldwell - SSmith
OC: Myers - Jones

DE: Watt - Smith - Crick - Jamison
NT: Cody - Mitchell
OLB: Barwin - Mercilus - Reed - Braman
ILB: Cushing - Sharpton - James - Dobbins
CB: JJo - KJ - Harris - Carmichael - McCain - McManis
S: Manning - Quin - Demps - Nolan

LS: Weeks
K: Bullock
P: Jones
 
XI CMURDER IX said:
If Schaub isn't ready in time for week 1 I think they would sign a veteran QB to to be the backup, but I am just basing this off the roster we have right now.

I think it will be between Lestar Jean and Dwight Jones for the 5th wide receiver spot. If Jones can keep his attitude and work ethic in check though he has all the physical skills to be a solid back-up option.

I think Brandon Brooks can win the job in training camp, but I think he would also rotate with Caldwell if Kubiak doesn't feel strongly enough about him. He will be a solid contributor and might be the sole holder of that spot by the end of the season.
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This

I've got Fangupo making it, Mitchell playing NT and alot of DE. Bulmam gets cut. Ford also makes it as a UDFA at FB. The 3rd RB is not currently on the roster.
 
steelbtexan said:
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This

I've got Fangupo making it, Mitchell playing NT and alot of DE. Bulmam gets cut. Ford also makes it as a UDFA at FB. The 3rd RB is not currently on the roster.
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I really debated on Fangupo but eventually dropped him. Bulman, definitely gone.

I had Ford as the FB.

And I stuck Grimes in as the 3rd RB but I'm not very confident of that. I wouldn't be surprised to bring Ward back.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I really debated on Fangupo but eventually dropped him. Bulman, definitely gone.

I had Ford as the FB.

And I stuck Grimes in as the 3rd RB but I'm not very confident of that. I wouldn't be surprised to bring Ward back.
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I don't think we have enough salary cap for Ward. But if we don't bring him back anyway, I think Davin will win it over Grimes.

And I thought Bulman was a FA anyway? Don't think he'll beat Crick/Jamison/Fangupo anyways.
 
SteveSlaton20 said:
I don't think we have enough salary cap for Ward. But if we don't bring him back anyway, I think Davin will win it over Grimes.

And I thought Bulman was a FA anyway? Don't think he'll beat Crick/Jamison/Fangupo anyways.
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Bulman is a FA but he hasn't re-signed with anyone, yet. I expect he'll be back for training camp. Heck, they've got to boost the roster to 90 players. That's a lot of bodies.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Bulman is a FA but he hasn't re-signed with anyone, yet. I expect he'll be back for training camp. Heck, they've got to boost the roster to 90 players. That's a lot of bodies.
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they don't have to have 90 players, that's if they want to and if they can($$$). I don't expect us to resign him, unless one of our DE gets hurt.
 
SteveSlaton20 said:
they don't have to have 90 players, that's if they want to and if they can($$$). I don't expect us to resign him, unless one of our DE gets hurt.
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You have to have enough bodies to get through training camp. When the limit was 80, we'd normally be around 75-79. With the limit going up to 90, you can bet we'll be between 85-89.

Right this moment, we've got <60 guys on our roster and some of those guys are futures contracts. All of our old stand-bys will probably get re-signed: Bulman, Studdard, Barber, Anderson.

EDIT: That <60 was prior to signing the UDFAs.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I love doing this:

QB: Schaub - Yates - Keenum (If Schaub is on the PUP, then we'll have a FA Vet as the #2 behind yates)
RB: Foster - Tate - Grimes
FB: Casey - Ford
WR: Andre - Posey - Martin - KW - Jean - DJones
TE: OD - Graham - Brock
OT: Brown - Butler - Newton
OG: WSmith - Brooks - Caldwell - SSmith
OC: Myers - Jones

DE: Watt - Smith - Crick - Jamison
NT: Cody - Mitchell
OLB: Barwin - Mercilus - Reed - Braman
ILB: Cushing - Sharpton - James - Dobbins
CB: JJo - KJ - Harris - Carmichael - McCain - McManis
S: Manning - Quin - Demps - Nolan

LS: Weeks
K: Bullock
P: Jones
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I like your list and agree with most everything with the exception of Sharpton at ILB. The fact that the Texans signed 2 ILB FA's tells me that Sharpton's injury is more serious that we think and he may start the list on PUP.

Reading a list like this really makes you aware of just how precious a roster spot really is and makes me think what a waste of a spot LS-Weeks is. I know he's one of the best long snappers in the NFL but you can't tell me that someone else already on the roster couldn't learn the skill to save us a roster spot. I also wish the NFL would expand the roster sizes by about 3-4 players, it would be nice to carry some more depth at certain positions. I'd sure like to see Fangupo-NT added to the roster and get some playing time.
 
Premier said:
isnt it 53 +1?? as in your 3rd qb doesnt eat up a roster spot...
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I am pretty sure it's 52 players OR you can go up to 53 only if that 53rd player is a 3rd QB for emergency QB purposes.

Then you have new rules about how your QBs can operate on game day. For example, you cannot add a 3rd QB and then swap all three guys in and out of the game all day on a Sunday. The NFL in 2011 added a rule that says IF your 3rd QB comes into the games and plays x-amount of minutes or portions of quarters (I cannot remember the exact definition) then your QB1 cannot come back into the game.

I cannot remember the full letter of the law, but I assure you that you can carry a 53rd player but he has to be an emergency QB AND if/when he comes into the game it's because your other QBs genuinely cannot continue anymore and not because you want to switch all three of them out throughout the course of the game.

Someone help me if I am wrong, but I remember this being a part of the discussion on here last summer.
 
Premier said:
isnt it 53 +1?? as in your 3rd qb doesnt eat up a roster spot...
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No.

You have 53 men on your team. Period.

Prior to last year, you had a +1 for your game day squad of 45 players if you used that spot for your emergency QB. There were all sorts of rules in place for that guy coming in and how the starter couldn't come back in once that guy came in, etc. Last year, they changed the rule on that. Now, you've got a game day squad size of 46. The whole Emergency Quarterback thing has been removed. So it's gotten simpler.

That's my understanding although I haven't been able to find verification of that online. The closest thing I found was an eHow article that had the old rules.
 
Didn't want to start a new thread but wanted to give the 53 man roster a shot. Also, does anyone know if Hartmann (Punter) will count against the 53 man roster during his 4 game suspension? And, if they put him on IR or the PUP list, how does that affect the 4 game suspension? Is it included in the time or does he still have to serve the suspension when he comes off the PUP or IR? My guess is he will still have to serve the suspension.

Now on to the roster!

The Offense (25 players)

Quarterbacks (3)
Schaub, Yates, Keenum

Runningbacks (3)
Foster, Tate, (choice between Jarvarris Williams, Meggett, Grimes, or ?)

Wide Receiver (5)
A.J., Walter, Posey, Jean, Martin

Tight End (3)
Daniels, Graham, (choice between Logan Brock, Philip Supernaw, or ?)

Fullbacks (2)
Casey, (choice between Ford or ?)

Offensive Tackles (3)
Brown, Butler, Newton

Offensive Guards (4)
W. Smith, Caldwell, S. Smith, Brooks

Centers (2)
Myers, B. Jones

The Defense (25 players)

Defensive Ends (4)
A. Smith, Watt, Jamison, Crick

Defensive Tackles (2)
Cody, Mitchell

Outside Linebackers (5)
Barwin, Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Nading

Inside Linebackers (4)
Cushing, Sharpton, Brooks, Dobbins

Cornerbacks (5)
Joseph, Jackson, McCain, Harris, McManis

Safeties (5)
Manning, G.Q., Nolan, Demps, Keo

Special Teams (3)

Kicker (1)
Bullock

Punter (1)
Jones (Note: Situation with Hartmann's suspension and physical health will be a factor in whether he returns this year or not.)

Long Snapper (1)
Weeks

Practice Squad (8 players)
Mondek (OT), Loiseau (ILB), Supernaw (TE), Pleasant (SS), Meggett or Grimes (RB), D. Jones or Maehl (WR), Fangupo (DT), M. Alexander (ILB)
 
Insideop said:
Punter (1)
Jones (Note: Situation with Hartmann's suspension and physical health will be a factor in whether he returns this year or not.)
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This is probably one of the biggest questionmarks for the final 53. Hartman being suspended for the first 4 games ? Does he still occupy a roster spot ? If he's "injured" along with suspended , can they put him on the PUP ?


He performed pretty damn well last season .... I'd like to see him return in 2012. Just dont know how the team juggles the roster spot and suspension to accomodate him coming back.

Dont know much about Jones .... someone fill me in here.


(you know your team is solid when your more worried about the P spot than .... most others).
 
Corrosion said:
This is probably one of the biggest questionmarks for the final 53. Hartman being suspended for the first 4 games ? Does he still occupy a roster spot ? If he's "injured" along with suspended , can they put him on the PUP ?


He performed pretty damn well last season .... I'd like to see him return in 2012. Just dont know how the team juggles the roster spot and suspension to accomodate him coming back.

Dont know much about Jones .... someone fill me in here.


(you know your team is solid when your more worried about the P spot than .... most others).
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Donnie Jones was a FA the Texans picked up a few weeks ago. I think he punted for the Rams last season. He's 6'2" 220 lbs and he's an 8 year vet out of LSU. Don't know much more about him. Think he's just a stop gap until Hartmann returns, if he returns.
 
Insideop said:
Didn't want to start a new thread but wanted to give the 53 man roster a shot. Also, does anyone know if Hartmann (Punter) will count against the 53 man roster during his 4 game suspension? And, if they put him on IR or the PUP list, how does that affect the 4 game suspension? Is it included in the time or does he still have to serve the suspension when he comes off the PUP or IR? My guess is he will still have to serve the suspension.

Now on to the roster!


Inside Linebackers (4)
Cushing, Sharpton, Brooks, Dobbins
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Is this Brooks Reed? Now he's an ILB? :scratchinghead:
 
Insideop said:
Donnie Jones was a FA the Texans picked up a few weeks ago. I think he punted for the Rams last season. He's 6'2" 220 lbs and he's an 8 year vet out of LSU. Don't know much more about him. Think he's just a stop gap until Hartmann returns, if he returns.
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So what effect does Hartmann / Jones have on the final 53 ?
 
srrono said:
I was looking at roster and man this year Texans are going to be cutting some good players. This is a sign of a good team when your scraps are good players.


Caldwell, Antoine G
Carmichael, Roc DB
Demps, Quintin DB
Harris, Brandon DB
Jackson, Kareem DB
Joseph, Johnathan DB
Keo, Shiloh DB
Manning, Danieal DB
McCain, Brice DB
McManis, Sherrick DB
Nolan, Troy DB
Quin, Glover DB
Williams, Torri DB
Barwin, Connor DE
Cody, Shaun NT
Jamison, Tim DE
Nading, Jesse DE
Smith, Antonio DE
Watt, J.J. DE
Harris, Ra'Shon NT
Mitchell, Earl NT
Myers, Chris C
Smith, Shelley G
Alexander, Mister LB
Braman, Bryan LB
Cushing, Brian LB
Reed, Brooks LB
Sharpton, Darryl LB
Smith, Derrell LB
Weeks, Jon LS
Austin, Thomas OG
Brown, Duane OT
Butler, Rashad OT
Gardner, Andrew OT
Newton, Derek OT
Hartmann, Brett P
Jones, Donnie P
Schaub, Matt QB
Yates, T.J. QB
Foster, Arian RB
Tate, Ben RB
Williams, Javarris RB
Smith, Wade G
Casey, James TE
Daniels, Owen TE
Graham, Garrett TE
Holliday, Trindon WR
Iglesias, Juaquin WR
Jean, Lestar WR
Johnson, Andre WR
Jones, Jacoby WR
Maehl, Jeff WR
Walter, Kevin WR

FA SIGNINGS
Donnie Jones P
Bradie James LB
Tim Dobbins LB

DRAFT
Round 1, Pick 26 (26) Whitney Mercilus DE 6'3" 261 Illinois
Round 3, Pick 5 (68) DeVier Posey WR 6'1" 211 Ohio St.
Round 3, Pick 13 (76) Brandon Brooks G 6'5" 343 Miami (OH)
Round 4, Pick 4 (99) Ben Jones C 6'2" 303 Georgia
Round 4, Pick 26 (121) Keshawn Martin WR 5'11" 192 Michigan St.
Round 4, Pick 31 (126) Jared Crick DT 6'4" 279 Nebraska
Round 5, Pick 26 (161) Randy Bullock K 5'9" 205 Texas A&M
Round 6, Pick 25 (195) Nick Mondek OT 6'6" 304 Purdue

UDFA'S
Eddie Pleasant, S, Oregon
Delano Johnson, DE/OLB, Bowie State
David Hunter, DT, Houston
Tracy Robertson, DT, Baylor
Greg Williams, LB, Pitt
Rennie Moore, DT Clemson
Hebron “Loni” Fangupo, NT, BYU
Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
Logan Brock, TE, TCU
Philip Supernaw, TE, Ouachita Baptist
Jason Ford, FB, Illinois
Jonathan Grimes, RB, William & Mary
Cody White, OT, Illinois State
Davin Meggett, RB, Maryland
DJ Bryant, DE, James Madison
Desmond Marrow, S, Toledo
Jerrell Jackson, S, Missouri
Shawn Loiseau, LB, Merrimack
Mario Louis, WR, Grambling St
Nate Menkin, OT, Mary Hardin-Baylor
Case Keenum, QB, Houston
Logan Brock, TE, TCU
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"Been had" been saying this... If you're in a place where other teams want your players and/or you need to make a decision to cut players v. their production and $$$$$ ............ This is a GOOD thing!!!!
 
Corrosion said:
So what effect does Hartmann / Jones have on the final 53 ?
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I was wondering that too.

I'm thinking Hartmann may not count against the roster. Could be wrong.

I'm thinking that the texans may want to hold onto him though since they haven't cut him.

Are they allowed to waive him?
 
Rey said:
I was wondering that too.

I'm thinking Hartmann may not count against the roster. Could be wrong.

I'm thinking that the texans may want to hold onto him though since they haven't cut him.

Are they allowed to waive him?
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I dont know how this suspension affects the roster .... its one of the biggest questionmarks for me.


Most of the other positions have been or will be sorted out on the field.
 
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